A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?

A few days ago, after reading and replying to 1 posting, I could no loger
reply to any posting on the newsgroups through the Aioe access.

Kept getting an error message
Error 441 BanList, or something


At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names would come
in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank. It felt like being blocked.
The newsgroups from eternal-september kept coming in, and I could read
each, but not the ones through Aioe. Of course, can't seem to get any
posting through eternal-september, but at least could read.

Seemed very odd, since I only read down through approx 200-400 postings a
day, and barely respond to at most 10 a day so there should be no reason
to get blocked. Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away.
Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again?

On 08/17/2013 08:51 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
A few days ago, after reading and replying to 1 posting, I could no
loger reply to any posting on the newsgroups through the Aioe access.

Kept getting an error message
Error 441 BanList, or something


At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names would
come in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank. It felt like being
blocked. The newsgroups from eternal-september kept coming in, and I
could read each, but not the ones through Aioe. Of course, can't seem to
get any posting through eternal-september, but at least could read.

Seemed very odd, since I only read down through approx 200-400 postings
a day, and barely respond to at most 10 a day so there should be no
reason to get blocked. Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem
went away. Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again?


Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september

On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo* wrote:

...snip...
Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september

This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have noticed,
because I don't read a LOT of these postings

I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via e-t,
However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or post, though
e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly, Well, duh! So
exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate.

RobertMacy wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo wrote:

...snip...
Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september

This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have
noticed, because I don't read a LOT of these postings

I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via e-t,
However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or post,
though e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly, Well, duh!
So exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate.

In your newsreader program, you need to select "Always request authentication".
Such a tick box can be seen in the preferences here. It causes the
client to volunteer your username and password for that account.

http://www.netfaqs.com/macintosh/Mai...dit/Edit02.png

The process with news servers is a bit screwy. You would think
the server would just prompt for a username and password. But
instead, the client offers the info. And so you have to
set up the client program, to send in your details. With E-S
you want it enabled, with AIOE it should be disabled.

And E-S makes this harder, by supported both unauthenticated
as well as authenticated operation.

If you connect to E-S without using the username and password,
a grand total of 12 newsgroups are available. These are the
eternal-september support groups. This provides a way for new
users, to request help. That is why there are only the
dozen or so groups in the list. They're help groups of some sort.

If you have selected the "Always request authentication" option,
then on login there will be thousands of newsgroups to read or
post to. When you fetch the newsgroup list, it'll be a lot larger.

Paul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:12:32 -0700, Paul wrote:

RobertMacy wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo wrote:

...snip...
Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september
This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have
noticed, because I don't read a LOT of these postings
I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via
e-t, However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or post,
though e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly, Well,
duh! So exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate.

In your newsreader program, you need to select "Always request
authentication".
Such a tick box can be seen in the preferences here. It causes the
client to volunteer your username and password for that account.

http://www.netfaqs.com/macintosh/Mai...dit/Edit02.png

The process with news servers is a bit screwy. You would think
the server would just prompt for a username and password. But
instead, the client offers the info. And so you have to
set up the client program, to send in your details. With E-S
you want it enabled, with AIOE it should be disabled.

And E-S makes this harder, by supported both unauthenticated
as well as authenticated operation.

If you connect to E-S without using the username and password,
a grand total of 12 newsgroups are available. These are the
eternal-september support groups. This provides a way for new
users, to request help. That is why there are only the
dozen or so groups in the list. They're help groups of some sort.

If you have selected the "Always request authentication" option,
then on login there will be thousands of newsgroups to read or
post to. When you fetch the newsgroup list, it'll be a lot larger.

Paul

Thank you for your response.

google access has now completely pushed themselves OUT of the picture.

Still can't respond through e-s, but can through aioe, like now.


Can't find ANY location in my newsreader [Opera 9.64] to select the
'authentication...'

However, a few days ago same problem - no bodies of postings. So tried an
experiment. Cleaned my browser, rebooted, and got back online. Could view
all again.

So concluded something may be happening here, not there.

RobertMacy wrote:
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:12:32 -0700, Paul wrote:

RobertMacy wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo wrote:

...snip...
Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september
This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have
noticed, because I don't read a LOT of these postings
I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via
e-t, However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or
post, though e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly,
Well, duh! So exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate.

In your newsreader program, you need to select "Always request
authentication".
Such a tick box can be seen in the preferences here. It causes the
client to volunteer your username and password for that account.

http://www.netfaqs.com/macintosh/Mai...dit/Edit02.png


The process with news servers is a bit screwy. You would think
the server would just prompt for a username and password. But
instead, the client offers the info. And so you have to
set up the client program, to send in your details. With E-S
you want it enabled, with AIOE it should be disabled.

And E-S makes this harder, by supported both unauthenticated
as well as authenticated operation.

If you connect to E-S without using the username and password,
a grand total of 12 newsgroups are available. These are the
eternal-september support groups. This provides a way for new
users, to request help. That is why there are only the
dozen or so groups in the list. They're help groups of some sort.

If you have selected the "Always request authentication" option,
then on login there will be thousands of newsgroups to read or
post to. When you fetch the newsgroup list, it'll be a lot larger.

Paul

Thank you for your response.

google access has now completely pushed themselves OUT of the picture.

Still can't respond through e-s, but can through aioe, like now.


Can't find ANY location in my newsreader [Opera 9.64] to select the
'authentication...'

However, a few days ago same problem - no bodies of postings. So tried
an experiment. Cleaned my browser, rebooted, and got back online. Could
view all again.

So concluded something may be happening here, not there.

It's under Accounts : Properties : Servers then Authentication.
By default it is set to None. Try Auto, load a Username and Password
for your E-S account.

Paul

RobertMacy wrote:

... I could no longer reply to any posting on the newsgroups
through the Aioe access.

Error 441 BanList, or something

At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names
would come in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank.
It felt like being blocked.

Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away.
Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again?

A few points:

- if you are replying to a post that has been cross-posted to more than
3 groups, AIOE will give you an error until or unless you trim the
distribution down to 3 groups. That does not seem to be the issue here.

- AIOE has a policy that blocks or prohibits cross-posting between
groups with "politics" in the name. It seems that only single-posting
is allowed to "political" groups. For example, I don't think you can
cross post between "alt.politics.scorched.earth" and any other group,
even a group that might seem to be related. For example, I have tried a
few times to cross-post between this group (M.P.W98.G_D) and
alt.politics.win98 - and the attempt was blocked.

- AIOE has a more-or-less "secret" list of banned groups - newsgroups
that you can't post to, and that you only discover by attempting to post
and get hit with the "banned" error. If you are attempting to post to a
single group, then it's obvious which group is banned. If you are
attempting to reply to a post that was cross-posted to several groups,
then it won't be obvious which one is banned. The reasons why a group
is banned is rarely discussed by the admin, and the legitamacy or the
strength of the reasons or evidence behind the decision can be
questionable. I'm not aware of any groups that are permanently banned -
it's more like a groups is banned for an indeterminate time.

When it comes to reading posts from the AIOE server, there is no reason
or mechanism that I know of that performs any blocking - except that I
*believe* that the server doesn't allow for more than 200 connection
events from the same IP over a 24 hour period. A combination of how
your newsreader works and your news-reading habbits during the day might
bring you up against that connection-limit.

On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:50:08 -0700, 98 Guy wrote:

RobertMacy wrote:

... I could no longer reply to any posting on the newsgroups
through the Aioe access.

Error 441 BanList, or something

At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names
would come in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank.
It felt like being blocked.

Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away.
Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again?

A few points:

- if you are replying to a post that has been cross-posted to more than
3 groups, AIOE will give you an error until or unless you trim the
distribution down to 3 groups. That does not seem to be the issue here.

- AIOE has a policy that blocks or prohibits cross-posting between
groups with "politics" in the name. It seems that only single-posting
is allowed to "political" groups. For example, I don't think you can
cross post between "alt.politics.scorched.earth" and any other group,
even a group that might seem to be related. For example, I have tried a
few times to cross-post between this group (M.P.W98.G_D) and
alt.politics.win98 - and the attempt was blocked.

- AIOE has a more-or-less "secret" list of banned groups - newsgroups
that you can't post to, and that you only discover by attempting to post
and get hit with the "banned" error. If you are attempting to post to a
single group, then it's obvious which group is banned. If you are
attempting to reply to a post that was cross-posted to several groups,
then it won't be obvious which one is banned. The reasons why a group
is banned is rarely discussed by the admin, and the legitamacy or the
strength of the reasons or evidence behind the decision can be
questionable. I'm not aware of any groups that are permanently banned -
it's more like a groups is banned for an indeterminate time.

When it comes to reading posts from the AIOE server, there is no reason
or mechanism that I know of that performs any blocking - except that I
*believe* that the server doesn't allow for more than 200 connection
events from the same IP over a 24 hour period. A combination of how
your newsreader works and your news-reading habbits during the day might
bring you up against that connection-limit.

Interesting. I didn't check for cross posting, but might have been true,
sincee [from memory] it was one of those OT subjects on alt.home.repair

I only pay attention to around 3-5 Usenet groups, and only 1 of those goes
through Aioe. The others go through e-t, like this group. Since I can
read, left the list alone, since I can post through Aioe, just let it go
on that way.

The ONLY group on Aioe is alt.home.repair, which has enough activity,
thank you! Only the postings to that group would not come in that day.
All the e-t kept coming in.

Opera 'checks' Usenet gorups every 5 minutes, that would be 16.7 hours,
don't think on line for that long. Perhaps, as I scan own through
postings, each time I 'puase' over a message and the text fills in, that's
considered a 'connection. That would explain it. Easily several 100
postings a day on alt.home.repair

RobertMacy, while unnecessarily full-quoting, wrote:

Interesting. I didn't check for cross posting, but might have been
true, since [from memory] it was one of those OT subjects on
alt.home.repair

Cross-posting a reply to more than 3 groups shouldn't result in the
"banned" error.

I only pay attention to around 3-5 Usenet groups, and only 1 of
those goes through Aioe. The others go through e-t, like this
group. Since I can read, left the list alone, since I can post
through Aioe, just let it go on that way.

(cut the rest of your post)

I really don't understand what you're trying to explain or describe
here.

Are you trying to say that ES carries some groups that AIOE does not -
and hence you need to use both servers?

Opera 'checks' Usenet gorups every 5 minutes, that would be
16.7 hours, don't think on line for that long.

You should not be treating usenet the same way you treat e-mail.

Email requires constant checking to see if you have mail, and mail
servers are set up for this.

I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check for new
posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client checks for new
mail. That is absolutely crazy.

Again, I've told you about clients such as Netscape Communicator, but
you are so dense that you apparently don't try software that works AND
WORKS WELL WITHOUT GIVING YOU THESE ODDBALL PROBLEMS.

Stop using Opera for reading usenet and use a proper client. Or
continue to suffer because of your stubbornness.

In message , 98 Guy writes:
RobertMacy, while unnecessarily full-quoting, wrote:
[]
Opera 'checks' Usenet gorups every 5 minutes, that would be
16.7 hours, don't think on line for that long.

You should not be treating usenet the same way you treat e-mail.

Email requires constant checking to see if you have mail, and mail
servers are set up for this.

I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check for new
posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client checks for new
mail. That is absolutely crazy.

So how do _you_ get usenet posts?

Again, I've told you about clients such as Netscape Communicator, but
you are so dense that you apparently don't try software that works AND
WORKS WELL WITHOUT GIVING YOU THESE ODDBALL PROBLEMS.

Stop using Opera for reading usenet and use a proper client. Or
continue to suffer because of your stubbornness.

(I think I'll count down from 10.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... would have me up before Lord Justice Leveson before you could say "I
simply can't recall". - Eddie Mair, Radio Times 14-20 July 2012