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Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good
for w98 se. Is this true? Why? It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next scan. Should I try to get them fixed? Thank you |
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"cotigrifn" wrote in message
... Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good for w98 se. Is this true? Why? My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up the Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that simply isn't necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is often the *cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is helpful. Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not 100% accurate, which explains why... It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next scan. This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they are actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only valid under certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten when a program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar cases. *OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and Win Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out the real cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the job right. Should I try to get them fixed? How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do about them. Thank you You're welcome, s. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x |
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I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my computer.
The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on, and has been having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which I thought might be caused by Norton since they started being really bad about the same time that I installed it. My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different folders associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these folders? I have never messed with the registry so I am a little gun shy about changing anything in it but I would like Symantec to be completely gone. Thanks "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... "cotigrifn" wrote in message ... Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good for w98 se. Is this true? Why? My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up the Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that simply isn't necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is often the *cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is helpful. Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not 100% accurate, which explains why... It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next scan. This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they are actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only valid under certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten when a program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar cases. *OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and Win Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out the real cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the job right. Should I try to get them fixed? How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do about them. Thank you You're welcome, s. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x |
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If you really want them out of there, it can be done. But if you've
already uninstalled it, the registry entries shouldn't bother. First of all, back up your registry in case something goes wrong. Then open regedit, go under edit and click "find" and type in symantec. When it finds the first instance, delete it. Then push F3 to find the next entry, delete it, push F3.... etc. Be prepared to spend a long time. You'll find hundreds of them. When you get done, then go back and search for "norton" and do the same. "Phyllis" wrote in : I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my computer. The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on, and has been having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which I thought might be caused by Norton since they started being really bad about the same time that I installed it. My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different folders associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these folders? I have never messed with the registry so I am a little gun shy about changing anything in it but I would like Symantec to be completely gone. Thanks "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... "cotigrifn" wrote in message ... Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good for w98 se. Is this true? Why? My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up the Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that simply isn't necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is often the *cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is helpful. Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not 100% accurate, which explains why... It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next scan. This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they are actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only valid under certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten when a program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar cases. *OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and Win Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out the real cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the job right. Should I try to get them fixed? How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do about them. Thank you You're welcome, s. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x -- -- What happens if you get scared half to death twice? -- |
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Go to the Symantec www site and find the uninstaller utility for your
software (RnisUPG). That should clean out a lot of the remaining stuff (although I don't believe you will ever completely get rid of it). -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (DTS) "Phyllis" wrote in message ... I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my computer. The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on, and has been having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which I thought might be caused by Norton since they started being really bad about the same time that I installed it. My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different folders associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these folders? I have never messed with the registry so I am a little gun shy about changing anything in it but I would like Symantec to be completely gone. Thanks "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... "cotigrifn" wrote in message ... Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good for w98 se. Is this true? Why? My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up the Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that simply isn't necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is often the *cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is helpful. Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not 100% accurate, which explains why... It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next scan. This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they are actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only valid under certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten when a program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar cases. *OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and Win Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out the real cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the job right. Should I try to get them fixed? How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do about them. Thank you You're welcome, s. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x |
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Easiest way to find out is to do it--but first, make sure you back up each Key
you intend to delete *before* deleting, using File menu, Export. This saves each Key as a REG file that can be easily restored. You should also make sure you have current SCANREG backups (files named RBnnn.CAB, where nnn is a three-digit number) located in C:\Windows\SYSBCKUP (a Hidden folder, so make sure "Show All Files" is enabled in Folder Options, View tab.) If you don't have any current RBnnn.CAB files, use the RUN box to run SCANREGW and say Yes to a new backup. Scanreg backups can be restored from a DOS boot using SCANREG /RESTORE command. If you need any further instruction on these topics, ask *first*. You can even practice using SCANREG /RESTORE from a DOS boot, to see what it looks like, Just don't actually restore a backup unless you really must. Likewise, you can Export and Merge a REG file backup without causing any problems (so long as you don't mess with the file.) There are, I believe, some Registry Keys with Symantec/Norton-related names that aren't actually installed by Symantec but by other apps *in_case_ Symantec apps get installed (again, I *think* so--I'm not certain.) But so far as I know, none are critical. My question to you--did uninstalling the apps help restore your system's performance? -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x "Phyllis" wrote in message ... I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my computer. The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on, and has been having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which I thought might be caused by Norton since they started being really bad about the same time that I installed it. My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different folders associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these folders? I have never messed with the registry so I am a little gun shy about changing anything in it but I would like Symantec to be completely gone. Thanks "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... "cotigrifn" wrote in message ... Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good for w98 se. Is this true? Why? My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up the Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that simply isn't necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is often the *cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is helpful. Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not 100% accurate, which explains why... It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next scan. This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they are actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only valid under certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten when a program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar cases. *OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and Win Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out the real cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the job right. Should I try to get them fixed? How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do about them. Thank you You're welcome, s. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x |
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Yes, it helped the performance a great deal. My computer just zips around
among the programs, internet, etc. now. I have always felt safe and fully protected with NIS but it just slugs down the computer until it drives me crazy with all the illegal operations and freezeups that it causes. I have the free EZ Armor LE (anti-virus and firewall) on it right now that I got when I ordered the free Security CD from Microsoft. I hope it has me protected. I can't really see it doing anything, but hopefully. . . thanks for the info about the registry. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Easiest way to find out is to do it--but first, make sure you back up each Key you intend to delete *before* deleting, using File menu, Export. This saves each Key as a REG file that can be easily restored. You should also make sure you have current SCANREG backups (files named RBnnn.CAB, where nnn is a three-digit number) located in C:\Windows\SYSBCKUP (a Hidden folder, so make sure "Show All Files" is enabled in Folder Options, View tab.) If you don't have any current RBnnn.CAB files, use the RUN box to run SCANREGW and say Yes to a new backup. Scanreg backups can be restored from a DOS boot using SCANREG /RESTORE command. If you need any further instruction on these topics, ask *first*. You can even practice using SCANREG /RESTORE from a DOS boot, to see what it looks like, Just don't actually restore a backup unless you really must. Likewise, you can Export and Merge a REG file backup without causing any problems (so long as you don't mess with the file.) There are, I believe, some Registry Keys with Symantec/Norton-related names that aren't actually installed by Symantec but by other apps *in_case_ Symantec apps get installed (again, I *think* so--I'm not certain.) But so far as I know, none are critical. My question to you--did uninstalling the apps help restore your system's performance? -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x "Phyllis" wrote in message ... I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my computer. The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on, and has been having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which I thought might be caused by Norton since they started being really bad about the same time that I installed it. My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different folders associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these folders? I have never messed with the registry so I am a little gun shy about changing anything in it but I would like Symantec to be completely gone. Thanks "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... "cotigrifn" wrote in message ... Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good for w98 se. Is this true? Why? My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up the Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that simply isn't necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is often the *cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is helpful. Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not 100% accurate, which explains why... It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next scan. This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they are actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only valid under certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten when a program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar cases. *OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and Win Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out the real cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the job right. Should I try to get them fixed? How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do about them. Thank you You're welcome, s. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x |
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Good to hear (about the restoration of performance.) As for EZ Armor LE, I
honestly have to say that I would recommend upgrading to the full version. They have released a new version, and now that some kinks have been worked out, I can honestly say I prefer it. The biggest problem with EZ Antivirus, however, has always been its automatic updates. They seem to have fixed that part, and especially if you have an "always on" system and broadband connection, it's fine. (Use OptionsProgramAutoDownload tab.) Otherwise, if on dial-up, or if only using the machine for a few hours per day, I would use Windows Scheduler to run autodown.exe at startup, with interactive interface that would prompt a dial-up (set in EZ-AV settings described above), and then every few hours after that. (Two schedules, actually, one at startup and one that starts every 24 hours at whatever time and repeats every hour or two or four, duration 23:59 (hh:mm.) As it is, even though mine is automated, I randomly remember to use the tray icon to initiate autodownload, just to make sure. It's typical of any AV program that on the days when a new baddie hits the wires, several AV definitions updates are issued before they get the whole thing pinned down. In other words, I don't consider updating every 24 hours to be often enough, not by a long shot. The new version (EZ AV 6.2.1.1) also includes email scanning and (if I have it right) uses the same definitions as Inoculan corporate edition, instead of lagging behind while an EZ-specific set is created (as it is with LE and earlier paid versions.) At $50/yr to subscribe and $25 (or possibly $30, now) to re-subscribe, it's no longer cheap, but it's still in the reasonable range of the cost scale for full-service AV programs. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x "Phyllis" wrote in message ... Yes, it helped the performance a great deal. My computer just zips around among the programs, internet, etc. now. I have always felt safe and fully protected with NIS but it just slugs down the computer until it drives me crazy with all the illegal operations and freezeups that it causes. I have the free EZ Armor LE (anti-virus and firewall) on it right now that I got when I ordered the free Security CD from Microsoft. I hope it has me protected. I can't really see it doing anything, but hopefully. . . thanks for the info about the registry. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Easiest way to find out is to do it--but first, make sure you back up each Key you intend to delete *before* deleting, using File menu, Export. This saves each Key as a REG file that can be easily restored. You should also make sure you have current SCANREG backups (files named RBnnn.CAB, where nnn is a three-digit number) located in C:\Windows\SYSBCKUP (a Hidden folder, so make sure "Show All Files" is enabled in Folder Options, View tab.) If you don't have any current RBnnn.CAB files, use the RUN box to run SCANREGW and say Yes to a new backup. Scanreg backups can be restored from a DOS boot using SCANREG /RESTORE command. If you need any further instruction on these topics, ask *first*. You can even practice using SCANREG /RESTORE from a DOS boot, to see what it looks like, Just don't actually restore a backup unless you really must. Likewise, you can Export and Merge a REG file backup without causing any problems (so long as you don't mess with the file.) There are, I believe, some Registry Keys with Symantec/Norton-related names that aren't actually installed by Symantec but by other apps *in_case_ Symantec apps get installed (again, I *think* so--I'm not certain.) But so far as I know, none are critical. My question to you--did uninstalling the apps help restore your system's performance? -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x "Phyllis" wrote in message ... I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my computer. The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on, and has been having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which I thought might be caused by Norton since they started being really bad about the same time that I installed it. My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different folders associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these folders? I have never messed with the registry so I am a little gun shy about changing anything in it but I would like Symantec to be completely gone. Thanks "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... "cotigrifn" wrote in message ... Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good for w98 se. Is this true? Why? My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up the Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that simply isn't necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is often the *cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is helpful. Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not 100% accurate, which explains why... It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next scan. This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they are actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only valid under certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten when a program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar cases. *OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and Win Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out the real cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the job right. Should I try to get them fixed? How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do about them. Thank you You're welcome, s. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP for Win9x |
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Toss any programs you may have installed from the SystemWorks CD except NAV
and CleanSweep. Do not run CS from boot, only from the desktop menu selection. Reasons for all this are multiple and overlapping between the programs I suggested not to install. If you are willing to learn all the exceptions, nuances, and specific usage problems with these other programs; go for it. "cotigrifn" wrote in message ... Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good for w98 se. Is this true? Why? It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next scan. Should I try to get them fixed? Thank you |
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