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Running an old DOS program
I am not a Win98 user, I use XP, but I'm crossposting to the 98 group
because if there's anyone that would know about running old programs on modern machines, I hope it to be you guys. I was told that legacy DOS drivers are no longer made for modern mobos as of like 5 years ago, but I constantly hear about nostalgic mofos finding workarounds. I do have a workaround which is DOSBox but it greatly slowed down the performance. Indeed, only a weird mother****er like me would go out my way to emulate an EMULATOR and expect the FPS to be smooth. Its ironic when I think that on the original platform it runs perfectly on 4 MHz and my 3 GHz i7 can't run it in full FPS. So yeah, any way to run my program natively or at least a way faster than running it through DOSBox? |
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Running an old DOS program
On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 05:59:55 -0800 (PST), Industrial One
wrote: I am not a Win98 user, I use XP, but I'm crossposting to the 98 group because if there's anyone that would know about running old programs on modern machines, I hope it to be you guys. I was told that legacy DOS drivers are no longer made for modern mobos as of like 5 years ago, but I constantly hear about nostalgic mofos finding workarounds. I do have a workaround which is DOSBox but it greatly slowed down the performance. Indeed, only a weird mother****er like me would go out my way to emulate an EMULATOR and expect the FPS to be smooth. Its ironic when I think that on the original platform it runs perfectly on 4 MHz and my 3 GHz i7 can't run it in full FPS. Welcome to the world of Windows. So yeah, any way to run my program natively or at least a way faster than running it through DOSBox? Dual boot system, or find a way to boot to DOS (thumb drive, CD/DVD, ....) |
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On Mar 8, 3:01*pm, pedro wrote:
On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 05:59:55 -0800 (PST), Industrial One wrote: I am not a Win98 user, I use XP, but I'm crossposting to the 98 group because if there's anyone that would know about running old programs on modern machines, I hope it to be you guys. I was told that legacy DOS drivers are no longer made for modern mobos as of like 5 years ago, but I constantly hear about nostalgic mofos finding workarounds. I do have a workaround which is DOSBox but it greatly slowed down the performance. Indeed, only a weird mother****er like me would go out my way to emulate an EMULATOR and expect the FPS to be smooth. Its ironic when I think that on the original platform it runs perfectly on 4 MHz and my 3 GHz i7 can't run it in full FPS. Welcome to the world of Windows. So yeah, any way to run my program natively or at least a way faster than running it through DOSBox? Dual boot system, or find a way to boot to DOS (thumb drive, CD/DVD, ...) Elaborate. What tools must I download, what steps must I take? |
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Industrial One wrote:
I was told that legacy DOS drivers are no longer made for modern mobos as of like 5 years ago, It's my impression that the only "DOS" drivers that really keep hanging on or keep showing up on the driver CD of new motherboards are for the integrated network (ethernet) ports. Same also for PCI ethernet cards. I can't really say that I've ever seen DOS drivers lately for other aspects of the guts of your typical PC (such as chipset, sound, video, usb, etc). Normally the system BIOS can supply DOS with all it needs to interact with the video system (at least up to VGA 640 x 480 mode), com ports, IDE and even SATA controllers and attached drives, keyboard and mouse, etc. USB under DOS has always been a questionable issue - but given your handle (Industrial One) I would suspect that you wound't have much interest or need in USB functionality under DOS. Something that would affect the situation drastically for DOS on modern motherboards is the change from the traditional BIOS to some new form of bios that I hear is coming out (or is already out) on some bleeding-edge motherboards (I forget what it's called). Oh - you should have cross-posted this to some DOS groups, because Windows 98 is not really a DOS-based operating system. It is a win32 OS that just happens to get boot-strapped or started from a DOS-mode state. Win-98 puts the CPU into 32-bit protected mode and offers a virtual DOS environment for any 16-bit apps that need it. Win-2k and XP does the same thing, and I think so does Vista. Windows 7 (I think) does not offer a virtual DOS environment. I'm adding comp.os.msdos.programmer to the distribution of this thread (it seems to be the most active "DOS" group). but I constantly hear about nostalgic mofos finding workarounds. You can take pretty much any motherboard made even today and boot and run DOS on it, regardless what sort of hard-drive you attach to the system. There is nothing nostalgic about that. What you might or should find nostalgic is seeing any win-9x/me drivers for modern hardware. You seem to be equating win-9x/me to DOS in terms of drivers or hardware, and that would be a false equation. I do have a workaround which is DOSBox but it greatly slowed down the performance. So yeah, any way to run my program natively or at least a way faster than running it through DOSBox? Booting a moderm motherboard with DOS is easily possible. Why haven't you tried that? Go out and do a search for "DOS 7.1" and download it from the web some where. Put it on a floppy disk and take it to your desired or target machine and boot it with the floppy. Attach a hard drive to the machine and run fdisk and format from the floppy and format the hard drive so that it will boot into DOS all by itself. Copy all the files and software you have from your windoze PC to this DOS pc using what-ever means you can (floppy disks, burned onto a CD, etc). Why is this so hard for people to do? |
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On 3/8/12 8:24 AM, 98 Guy wrote:
Why is this so hard for people to do? Because the majority of users, even in the Win98 and earlier days, didn't even know how to do it. :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 10.0.2 Thunderbird 10.0.2 LibreOffice 3.5.0 rc3 |
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Running an old DOS program
On 3/8/12 8:01 AM, pedro wrote:
On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 05:59:55 -0800 (PST), Industrial One wrote: I am not a Win98 user, I use XP, but I'm crossposting to the 98 group because if there's anyone that would know about running old programs on modern machines, I hope it to be you guys. I was told that legacy DOS drivers are no longer made for modern mobos as of like 5 years ago, but I constantly hear about nostalgic mofos finding workarounds. I do have a workaround which is DOSBox but it greatly slowed down the performance. Indeed, only a weird mother****er like me would go out my way to emulate an EMULATOR and expect the FPS to be smooth. Its ironic when I think that on the original platform it runs perfectly on 4 MHz and my 3 GHz i7 can't run it in full FPS. Welcome to the world of Windows. So yeah, any way to run my program natively or at least a way faster than running it through DOSBox? Dual boot system, or find a way to boot to DOS (thumb drive, CD/DVD, ...) Another option to consider is to use virtual machine software on your XP computer. MS has/had two versions of their own VM software. They are free. VM Fusionware and Parallels have VM software you have to pay for. Virtual Box is free and open source. The advantage of VM software is, depending on unknowns at my end, you can use just about any OS you want. You should be able to even install DOS. I use Parallels for the Mac, and have XP Pro and Vista Ultimate installed. Doesn't work perfectly, but updates keep coming out. I also have a Win box multiboot with the same OS's installed, plus a Win 7 box. I'm not a big Windows user anymore, but have them for my own enjoyment and to help my Win owning friends. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 10.0.2 Thunderbird 10.0.2 LibreOffice 3.5.0 rc3 |
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Running an old DOS program
"Industrial One" wrote in message
... I am not a Win98 user, I use XP, but I'm crossposting to the 98 group because if there's anyone that would know about running old programs on modern machines, I hope it to be you guys. I was told that legacy DOS drivers are no longer made for modern mobos as of like 5 years ago, but I constantly hear about nostalgic mofos finding workarounds. I do have a workaround which is DOSBox but it greatly slowed down the performance. Indeed, only a weird mother****er like me would go out my way to emulate an EMULATOR and expect the FPS to be smooth. Its ironic when I think that on the original platform it runs perfectly on 4 MHz and my 3 GHz i7 can't run it in full FPS. So yeah, any way to run my program natively or at least a way faster than running it through DOSBox? Name of the Game would help.... You have to go in to Command Prompt in Full Screen, And Compatibility modes have to be Set to that game OS, and you have the set the Buffer Size, and the Number of buffers for that Game.. -- This post contains IPA phonetic symbols in Unicode. Without proper rendering support, you may see question marks, boxes, or other symbols instead of Unicode characters. User-agent: * Disallow: / |
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Running an old DOS program
Okay so either boot into DOS or use a VM, which one would result in
faster performance? I'll assume DOS. So I download DOS 7.1, then what? Do I have to install this on a thumb drive to boot from it, and then do I cd to the directory with the program I wanna run? The program is not a game, btw. It's an emulator that runs ROMs (games). Emulating an emulator with DOSBox was... an apalling experience. Vegan hackers would probably nail me to a cross for wasting so much energy. On Mar 8, 3:24*pm, 98 Guy wrote: Why is this so hard for people to do? Because I have no floppy drive. |
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Running an old DOS program
On 3/8/12 10:06 AM, Industrial One wrote:
Okay so either boot into DOS or use a VM, which one would result in faster performance? I'll assume DOS. I would guess DOS, but if you were to use a VM, you could XP and DOS at the same time. And with VM, you could install real DOS, and maybe the real game would run. I'm not a gamer, but I know some games do funny things. I also suspect your XP machine is far faster than an original DOS box, you may not even notice a speed problem. Since Virtual Box is free, if you don't like it, you can delete it and not be out any money. I know of no reason you couldn't load DOS 7.1 into Virtual Box. So I download DOS 7.1, then what? Do I have to install this on a thumb drive to boot from it, and then do I cd to the directory with the program I wanna run? The program is not a game, btw. It's an emulator that runs ROMs (games). Emulating an emulator with DOSBox was... an apalling experience. Vegan hackers would probably nail me to a cross for wasting so much energy. On Mar 8, 3:24 pm, 98 wrote: Why is this so hard for people to do? Because I have no floppy drive. You can buy an external USB floppy pretty cheap. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 10.0.2 Thunderbird 10.0.2 LibreOffice 3.5.0 rc3 |
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Running an old DOS program
pedro wrote in news:a3ihl79arj9ut2k6s7f175akr5cquc8lgq@
4ax.com: On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 05:59:55 -0800 (PST), Industrial One wrote: I am not a Win98 user, I use XP, but I'm crossposting to the 98 group because if there's anyone that would know about running old programs on modern machines, I hope it to be you guys. I was told that legacy DOS drivers are no longer made for modern mobos as of like 5 years ago, but I constantly hear about nostalgic mofos finding workarounds. I do have a workaround which is DOSBox but it greatly slowed down the performance. Indeed, only a weird mother****er like me would go out my way to emulate an EMULATOR and expect the FPS to be smooth. Its ironic when I think that on the original platform it runs perfectly on 4 MHz and my 3 GHz i7 can't run it in full FPS. Welcome to the world of Windows. So yeah, any way to run my program natively or at least a way faster than running it through DOSBox? Dual boot system, or find a way to boot to DOS (thumb drive, CD/DVD, ...) I simply use a dos6.22 or 7.xx(win98) bootfloppy, dos 6.22 simply ingnores the ntsf or fat32, and has a secondairy fat16 partition on drive 2, which it recognizes as drive C. That way Xp can manage files on that partition, and dos has full use of the computer(after reboot). A dos7.xx floppy recognizes the first partition on drive 2(fat32) nicely as drive c. Of course you need a floppy or a bootable usb stick. The only problem I had with this solution, is that the graphics cards/monitors mowadays have very few legal vga modes, some only 640*480(16 cols). |
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