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  #11  
Old October 20th 04, 06:34 AM
HiTekMom
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Okay! Here's what I did, Mike let me know if you know otherwise:

- I set MaxFileCache=524288 under vcache
- I added line MaxPhysPage=40000 under [386ENH]

To test this I:

- opened N7, IE, MSWord and Macromedia Fireworks
- while Norton, SpySweeper, a Fire wall, and an Update Reminder resides in
my sys.tray

Everything work beautifully. Except one minor glich, I can live with, IE
took way to long to load the URL I Typed in. The initial load was fair, but
when I typed in a specific address the connection was too long. It could
have been the server on the other end. I'll try again, another time.

As for now, I'm going to consider my problem SOLVED!!!! Hey, look at the
time, and I haven't packed hubby's lunch for tomorrow yet.

Thx much guys. ooooo (consider these my homemade chocolate chips cookies
baked especially for the two of you - Jerry and Mike).

- Ciao,

"HiTekMom" wrote in message
ink.net...
Jerry,

The MaxFileCache in my system.ini file under vcache did = to 524288 before

I
changed it to 512000. If that wasn't the problem, then what is your take

on
my getting a "Dangerously low resources" after have open 2 or more

windows.

Since I just changed the line to 512000 I have not yet tested the outcome.
Meaning I need to open several apps being, N7, Outlook Express, IE and

then
I'll try Macromedia Fireworks. Before, IE ususualy freezes, Fireworks

states
"Internal Error" then shortly after that I receive a "Dangerously low on
resources and ask that I specifically close one of the applications until
I've closed them all. Then if I try to reopen any one app, I receive a
"Unable to open, low on mem, pls close one or more apps [or something to
that nature]"

Thx

- HiTekMom


"Jerry" wrote in message
...
As you have more than 1.0Gb of RAM you need to make more than one edit

to
SYSTEM.INI

For RAM 512Mb

[VCACHE]
MaxFileCache=524288

For RAM 1.0Gb

[386ENH]
MaxPhysPage=40000

I used MaxFileCache of 524288 because that is the binary value, using

512000
is decimal. And I used it when runningWinME on my system with 2.0Gb of

RAM
and before I upgraded to XP Pro.

Jerry

"HiTekMom" wrote in message
nk.net...
Mike,

Thank you very much for your patience. I have printed your first

response
and am studying it. I am reading over the links that you've posted and

am
trying to get an understanding. I will follow the steps you have

provided
and will let you know the outcome.

What freezes are my Earthlink mailbox and IE. I've since changed my
mailbox
to Outlook Express, but am using N7 instead of IE. Macromedia

Fireworks
refuse to open if I have several windows open, ie, N7, Outlook plus

any
more. I do understand the problems WinMe could have if I have too much
memory. It's vcashing I need to learn more about. And thx to you I'm

on
the
road to doing so.

As far as my continuing to have the problem, you are right. Even

though
I've
reformated my harddrive, I recently experienced the same error msg

recv'd
before the reformat msg: "Dangerously low on resources".

Thx again,

HiTekMom

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
What freezes? Can you provide some details as this is something you
didn't mention in your original post. Again though I have to ask

have
you
limited vcache to 512MB as explained in my earlier post? If not you

are
going to have problems. Period.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP [2001-2005]



The Rascento Family wrote:

Ron,

My system reads, via MyComputer, Performance Tab: 1280.0MB.

So, you are saying that even though I have over 1GB of memory, I'll
still get freezes in some apps if I have too many open?









  #12  
Old October 20th 04, 06:37 AM
HiTekMom
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I'm sorry Ron, I just couldn't believe that there was nothing I could do.
Because all wasn't well.

- Ciao

"Ron Martell" wrote in message
...
"HiTekMom" wrote:

I'm running WinME and have 1.2GB of memory.
Though my system recogize the full 1.2GB, when I run a mem in DOS the

total
conventional reads 640K with 580K Free.
In the Extended (XMS) column it reads 65,535K total with 1,309,26 Free.


MS-DOS, including the MS-DOS emulator included with Windows Me, is not
capable of using more than 64 mb of RAM and therefore that is all that
is reported by the MEM command.

This has no relationship to how much RAM Windows can use.

Open My Computer - System - General and see how much RAM is being
reported there. If that shows the full 1.2 gb (or possibly a few MB
less if your motherboard has integrated video) then all is well.

Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."



  #14  
Old October 20th 04, 08:42 PM
Jerry
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It is blustery and rainy here in Southern California with snow on the local
mountains so your chocolate chip cookies would go just fine with my
afternoon cup of coffee.

Glad to hear the problem was solved.

The MaxPhysPage number for 40000 I got from someone at Microsoft a while
ago. I tried changing it to see if things would get better or worse and on
my ME sysetm I finally set it at 49999. (Don't have a clue as to why 50000
wouldn't work.) (Using the larger number resulted in more memory being
available as shown when Control Panel System was invoked.


Jerry
"HiTekMom" wrote in message
ink.net...
Okay! Here's what I did, Mike let me know if you know otherwise:

- I set MaxFileCache=524288 under vcache
- I added line MaxPhysPage=40000 under [386ENH]

To test this I:

- opened N7, IE, MSWord and Macromedia Fireworks
- while Norton, SpySweeper, a Fire wall, and an Update Reminder resides in
my sys.tray

Everything work beautifully. Except one minor glich, I can live with, IE
took way to long to load the URL I Typed in. The initial load was fair,
but
when I typed in a specific address the connection was too long. It could
have been the server on the other end. I'll try again, another time.

As for now, I'm going to consider my problem SOLVED!!!! Hey, look at the
time, and I haven't packed hubby's lunch for tomorrow yet.

Thx much guys. ooooo (consider these my homemade chocolate chips cookies
baked especially for the two of you - Jerry and Mike).

- Ciao,

"HiTekMom" wrote in message
ink.net...
Jerry,

The MaxFileCache in my system.ini file under vcache did = to 524288
before

I
changed it to 512000. If that wasn't the problem, then what is your take

on
my getting a "Dangerously low resources" after have open 2 or more

windows.

Since I just changed the line to 512000 I have not yet tested the
outcome.
Meaning I need to open several apps being, N7, Outlook Express, IE and

then
I'll try Macromedia Fireworks. Before, IE ususualy freezes, Fireworks

states
"Internal Error" then shortly after that I receive a "Dangerously low on
resources and ask that I specifically close one of the applications until
I've closed them all. Then if I try to reopen any one app, I receive a
"Unable to open, low on mem, pls close one or more apps [or something to
that nature]"

Thx

- HiTekMom


"Jerry" wrote in message
...
As you have more than 1.0Gb of RAM you need to make more than one edit

to
SYSTEM.INI

For RAM 512Mb

[VCACHE]
MaxFileCache=524288

For RAM 1.0Gb

[386ENH]
MaxPhysPage=40000

I used MaxFileCache of 524288 because that is the binary value, using

512000
is decimal. And I used it when runningWinME on my system with 2.0Gb of

RAM
and before I upgraded to XP Pro.

Jerry

"HiTekMom" wrote in message
nk.net...
Mike,

Thank you very much for your patience. I have printed your first

response
and am studying it. I am reading over the links that you've posted
and

am
trying to get an understanding. I will follow the steps you have

provided
and will let you know the outcome.

What freezes are my Earthlink mailbox and IE. I've since changed my
mailbox
to Outlook Express, but am using N7 instead of IE. Macromedia

Fireworks
refuse to open if I have several windows open, ie, N7, Outlook plus

any
more. I do understand the problems WinMe could have if I have too
much
memory. It's vcashing I need to learn more about. And thx to you I'm

on
the
road to doing so.

As far as my continuing to have the problem, you are right. Even

though
I've
reformated my harddrive, I recently experienced the same error msg

recv'd
before the reformat msg: "Dangerously low on resources".

Thx again,

HiTekMom

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
What freezes? Can you provide some details as this is something you
didn't mention in your original post. Again though I have to ask

have
you
limited vcache to 512MB as explained in my earlier post? If not you

are
going to have problems. Period.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP [2001-2005]



The Rascento Family wrote:

Ron,

My system reads, via MyComputer, Performance Tab: 1280.0MB.

So, you are saying that even though I have over 1GB of memory,
I'll
still get freezes in some apps if I have too many open?











  #15  
Old October 21st 04, 06:33 AM
Ron Martell
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"Mike M" wrote:

Whilst not usually required since Win 9x systems can handle up to 2GB of
RAM I'm pleased to read that Jerry's suggestion of setting
MaxPhysPage=40000 has helped solve your problem. Incidentally this has
the same effect as your removing the two small 128MB memory sticks.


Actually there is no documented instance of anyone using Windows 9x
successfully with more than 1.5 gb of RAM installed.

Use of the MaxPhysPage parameter is getting more common these days as
more people are configuring systems with huge amounts of RAM to
multi-boot Windows XP and Windows 98SE/Me.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
  #16  
Old October 21st 04, 06:34 AM
Ron Martell
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"HiTekMom" wrote:

I'm sorry Ron, I just couldn't believe that there was nothing I could do.
Because all wasn't well.

- Ciao


Don't blame you for being concerned or for asking. We all learn by
asking questions.

Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
  #17  
Old October 21st 04, 12:55 PM
Mike M
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Thanks for that info Ron.

I well understand that users are now running machines with much larger
amounts of RAM than before - just think what 1.25GB might have cost even
five years ago. I seem to recall I began testing Win Me with probably
just 128MB of RAM although I know the PC I was using had 384MB by the end
of that beta.

What seems to vary though from system to system is the figure at which the
use of MaxPhysPage is required. I was under the impression that this
kicked in around the 1.5GB mark (as you mentioned) however there have been
a number of recent posts including this one where limiting to usable
memory to 1GB is required to fix problems. Perhaps in future it would be
best to advise the use of MaxPhysPage=40000 whenever installed memory
exceeds 1GB.

Cheers,
--
Mike


Ron Martell wrote:

Actually there is no documented instance of anyone using Windows 9x
successfully with more than 1.5 gb of RAM installed.

Use of the MaxPhysPage parameter is getting more common these days as
more people are configuring systems with huge amounts of RAM to
multi-boot Windows XP and Windows 98SE/Me.


  #18  
Old October 21st 04, 09:08 PM
Ron Martell
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"Mike M" wrote:

Thanks for that info Ron.

I well understand that users are now running machines with much larger
amounts of RAM than before - just think what 1.25GB might have cost even
five years ago. I seem to recall I began testing Win Me with probably
just 128MB of RAM although I know the PC I was using had 384MB by the end
of that beta.

What seems to vary though from system to system is the figure at which the
use of MaxPhysPage is required. I was under the impression that this
kicked in around the 1.5GB mark (as you mentioned) however there have been
a number of recent posts including this one where limiting to usable
memory to 1GB is required to fix problems. Perhaps in future it would be
best to advise the use of MaxPhysPage=40000 whenever installed memory
exceeds 1GB.

Cheers,


The problems with memory over 1 gb seem to be hardware related in some
way, but nobody has identified the exact cause. There are instances
where certain computers will not run with anything more than 1 gb of
RAM unless the MaxPhysPage is set to limit usage to 1 gb; and other
computers that run quite happily with up to 1.5 gb.

And with the end of Microsoft's active support for Windows Me I doubt
if anyone will take the time to seriously research the problem so as
to identify the precise cause.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
 




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