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  #31  
Old May 31st 04, 08:36 PM
Mart
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Ben, just taking your last point ONLY:-

Boot from your floppy Startup Disk and select CD-ROM support.
Note the (temporary) drive letter(s) allocated to the CD-ROM(s)
Decide which you are going to use and insert the WinMe CD.

Then at the A:\ prompt, type:-
X: (Return) where X = the CD-ROM drive letter of your choice
above
Your screen should then show X:\ as the new prompt

Then type:-
setup (Return)

The WinMe setup/installation/re-installation process should now commence.

Mart


  #32  
Old May 31st 04, 10:12 PM
Ben B
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Hello Mart,

Now THAT I understand.

I question why, in light of the excellent re-install I got
in Windows, is it thought preferable to do it in DOS?

You are thorough, Mart, and I deeply appreciate it.

Ben.

-----Original Message-----
snipped to reduce bandwidth

Ben, just taking your last point ONLY:-

Boot from your floppy Startup Disk and select CD-ROM

support.
Note the (temporary) drive letter(s) allocated to the CD-

ROM(s)
Decide which you are going to use and insert the WinMe CD.

Then at the A:\ prompt, type:-
X: (Return) where X = the CD-ROM drive letter

of your choice
above
Your screen should then show X:\ as the new prompt

Then type:-
setup (Return)

The WinMe setup/installation/re-installation process

should now commence.

Mart


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  #33  
Old May 31st 04, 10:23 PM
Noel Paton
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In Windows complications can arise because of background processes running
(A-V's, viruses, BHO's, drivers, etc) - In DOS, there's nothing running
until you start the install.


--
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"Ben B" wrote in message
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Hello Mart,

Now THAT I understand.

I question why, in light of the excellent re-install I got
in Windows, is it thought preferable to do it in DOS?

You are thorough, Mart, and I deeply appreciate it.

Ben.

-----Original Message-----
snipped to reduce bandwidth

Ben, just taking your last point ONLY:-

Boot from your floppy Startup Disk and select CD-ROM

support.
Note the (temporary) drive letter(s) allocated to the CD-

ROM(s)
Decide which you are going to use and insert the WinMe CD.

Then at the A:\ prompt, type:-
X: (Return) where X = the CD-ROM drive letter

of your choice
above
Your screen should then show X:\ as the new prompt

Then type:-
setup (Return)

The WinMe setup/installation/re-installation process

should now commence.

Mart


.



  #34  
Old May 31st 04, 10:36 PM
Rick T
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Ben B wrote:
a whole bunch of stuff I couldn't read

sorry, Ben, but I find the "" quoting to be much more readable. In
response to what I could glean though...

Modern PCs are bootable from CDs in much the same fashion as they are
from hard-drives or floppy disks. For a fresh OS installation, you would
either boot directly from a "bootable" CD (one which contains booting
files as well as data files), or boot from the FD and then run the
Install or Setup program that's on the CD. The last option is what WinME
Installs use.

Rick
  #35  
Old May 31st 04, 10:40 PM
Rick T
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Ben B wrote:

Hello Mart,

Now THAT I understand.

I question why, in light of the excellent re-install I got
in Windows, is it thought preferable to do it in DOS?


Among other things, is the keyword "RE-install", ie: Windows is already
there and can be used. Obviously, for a fresh install, Windows isn't
there so therefore can't be used.

However, I think you can reinstall in DOS as well... this is preferable
because DOS mode is much more simple, uses a small fraction of the
resources that Windows needs, and is less prone to failure.


Rick
  #36  
Old May 31st 04, 10:43 PM
Ben B
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Hello Noel,

Yes I see that makes sense. I was lucky I guess.

Thanks, Noel.
-----Original Message-----
In Windows complications can arise because of background

processes running
(A-V's, viruses, BHO's, drivers, etc) - In DOS, there's

nothing running
until you start the install.


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post

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"Ben B" wrote in

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...
Hello Mart,

Now THAT I understand.

I question why, in light of the excellent re-install I

got
in Windows, is it thought preferable to do it in DOS?

You are thorough, Mart, and I deeply appreciate it.

Ben.

-----Original Message-----
snipped to reduce bandwidth

Ben, just taking your last point ONLY:-

Boot from your floppy Startup Disk and select CD-ROM

support.
Note the (temporary) drive letter(s) allocated to the

CD-
ROM(s)
Decide which you are going to use and insert the WinMe

CD.

Then at the A:\ prompt, type:-
X: (Return) where X = the CD-ROM drive

letter
of your choice
above
Your screen should then show X:\ as the new

prompt

Then type:-
setup (Return)

The WinMe setup/installation/re-installation process

should now commence.

Mart


.



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  #37  
Old May 31st 04, 10:57 PM
Ben B
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Hello Rick,

I appreciate your persistence. But the problem I am having
is that none of us use quite the same terms to describe
something. If three people, savvy to one degree or another
and speaking a common language, address the problems of a
single person who is not savvy and who has not the
language, in this case computing, it is baffling. But I
recognise the essential goodwill inherent in this
newsgroup. My thanks, Rick.
Ben.
-----Original Message-----
Ben B wrote:
a whole bunch of stuff I couldn't read

sorry, Ben, but I find the "" quoting to be much more

readable. In
response to what I could glean though...

Modern PCs are bootable from CDs in much the same fashion

as they are
from hard-drives or floppy disks. For a fresh OS

installation, you would
either boot directly from a "bootable" CD (one which

contains booting
files as well as data files), or boot from the FD and

then run the
Install or Setup program that's on the CD. The last

option is what WinME
Installs use.

Rick
.

  #38  
Old May 31st 04, 11:45 PM
Rick T
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I'm still working on a way to delineate easily between:
a) a clean install on a freshly formatted disk, and
b) a refresh-install over top of the OS,
that would be immediately obvious to readers, without having to resort
to excessive verbiage.

It's still a new field, constantly changing; different companies and
schools often have their own proprietary language usage.


err... but did you understand what I meant in my previous post? (if it
had anything to do with what you were asking that is g)



Rick


Ben B wrote:
Hello Rick,

I appreciate your persistence. But the problem I am having
is that none of us use quite the same terms to describe
something. If three people, savvy to one degree or another
and speaking a common language, address the problems of a
single person who is not savvy and who has not the
language, in this case computing, it is baffling. But I
recognise the essential goodwill inherent in this
newsgroup. My thanks, Rick.
Ben.

-----Original Message-----
Ben B wrote:
a whole bunch of stuff I couldn't read

sorry, Ben, but I find the "" quoting to be much more


readable. In

response to what I could glean though...

Modern PCs are bootable from CDs in much the same fashion


as they are
from hard-drives or floppy disks. For a fresh OS

installation, you would

either boot directly from a "bootable" CD (one which


contains booting

files as well as data files), or boot from the FD and


then run the

Install or Setup program that's on the CD. The last


option is what WinME

Installs use.

Rick
.

  #39  
Old June 1st 04, 08:11 PM
Noel Paton
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See my responses inline, below

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"Ben B" wrote in message
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Hello Noel, goodmorrow and all that.

My system somewhat restored after a five hour snore I
cannot resist either. I quote you - and my response
follows.

"Win ME CD's are NOT bootable (except for some rare OEM
ones, which are usually labelled Recovery/Restore CD) -
which is why you can't boot from the CD"

Boot from the WinMe CD??? Presumably this might read 'one
cannot use the WinMe CD to boot one's computer'(exceptions
noted). Otherwise it makes no sense to me. I wonder why
you mention it! I have never tried to do such a thing.


That was my reading of some of the 'preamble' - may well have got it wrong,
so don't worry about itg


"Boot with CD support from the EBD (either from A/R Progs
|Startup disk, or the OEM one from www.bootdisk.com), and
you'll be able to play with the CD to your heart's content"

Here I think you mean boot one's computer using the EBD
and choose the option in DOS 'With CD Support'. I will try
that one. If I have understood - have I?


Yup!


"Booting to DOS ....just for practice g...
Type FDISK, and follow your nose to the Show partitions on
each of your HD's - what does it say about them??"

Yes, if it means boot to DOS choose 'Minimal Boot'. At the
A:\ prompt type FDISK and from then on just take notes of
what is said about about the partitions on each of my HDD,
I could do that.


Don't ever use 'Minimal boot' unless you have good reason to - it really is
'Minimal'!!! use eitehr With, or Without, CD Support, instead.


" - BE CAREFUL!! - a couple of wrong keystrokes, and you
could lose the lot".

This is merely sadistic vbg.


VBEG


Now do please, Noel, when you have the time/inclination,
answer these questions too.

Koldbear's article.

I quote:

"BASE2.CAB is usually found in one of two locations on
your hard drive.
"C:\Windows\Options\CABS"
"C:\Windows\Options\Install"
-----------------------
If you find it,
then boot into Safe Mode
Go to the Folder where you found BASE2.CAB
and double-click on SETUP.EXE,"

This didn't work for me because my System file was wholly
corrupted. Right?


Certainly sounds like it - but then I sank a few over the weekendg


"Boot using your "Windows Startup Disk".
Select Minimal (Option 4)
At the DOS prompt
Type the following lines
and press enter after each.

C:
CD Path
SETUP

Path = the path where you found the BASE2.CAB.
such as C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL"

This didn't work for me because of the corruption. Right?


Given the assumed corruption, yes


"Use the following method below only if you have to. It
may cause you to download more Windows Updates than the
methods above. Or if you have a Restore disk only, then
you may lose everything.

If you have the WinME CD,
then you can reinstall Windows in DOS
by going to your CDROM,
and running SETUP.
Boot using your "Windows Startup Disk",
Select option 1 (Help)"

This foxed me. I booted to DOS and chose Option 1 (Help).
Inserted my WinMe CD and read with nervous interest
the 'help' offered. But I didn't know what command would
have accessed my CDROM for me to choose SETUP. Please give
me a clear idea of what I do whilst in HELP - will you?

There it is. Does it make any sense at all, Noel?


Unfortunately, yes!g - Koldbear wrote the whole of this article, and I
only proofread it for context errors - I can see that it's going to take a
bit of rewriting to bear full scrutiny! - I'll try to get to it this
week. In the meantime, I'd suggest using the 'Boot with CD Support',
instead!


And, as always, my appreciative thank you.

Ben.

-----Original Message-----
(couldn't resist!g)

Win ME CD's are NOT bootable (except for some rare OEM

ones, which are
usually labelled Recovery/Restore CD) - which is why you

can't boot from the
CDg
Boot with CD support from the EBD (either from A/R Progs

|Startup disk, or
the OEM one from www.bootdisk.com), and you'll be able to

play with the CD
to your heart's contentg

Booting to DOS ....
just for practice g...
Type FDISK, and follow your nose to the Show partitions

on each of your
HD's - what does it say about them?? - BE CAREFUL!! - a

couple of wrong
keystrokes, and you could lose the lot!

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)

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"Ben B" wrote in

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...
Hello Noel,

I thought the cat had got your tongue. Welcome to the
arena.

You have obviously had a good sleep. I have yet to have
one. However I thought it politic to at least be brief
before bed. Or courteous.

The news is:

I could not get any action going at all in DOS. Too much
corruption? A poor OEM CD?

So for the 20th.+ time I ran the CD in Windows. It just
loves being run in Windows. The result? Very very good.
Code page error gone. Increased space remaining on C and
less files in total (all unhidden). My settings in

place.
Speed no less. Sysem Restore patch put in place - I keep
it on hand! Belarc looks different. Less updates. Here I
must compare my installation record with Belarc. The
Update site scan was unchanged though - in it's urgings
i.e.

The Registry, checked before and after, is a bit askew.
jv16pt and RegSeeker both report 100+ invalid entries.

The
ones I recognised have been deleted, leaving a hundred

for
me to deliberate on.

I like the way your post reads. You relish being a

Master
Architect of the Impossible. A Doctoral candidate -
humm... not so sure about that! But seriously it sounds
like a perfect setup. I like it but for one small

detail.
I have 6GBs of glorious music aboard, which, come hell

or
high water, I will not let go. Not until it is all

burned
that is. 3GBs to go on that. Then the joys and challenge
of taking the plunge into chaos and disorder will seem
like lots of fun. However my success rate with the

Emperor
N. is about 1 in 15 so far. The Taiyo Yuden Company of
Japan is the one to invest in. They make Fujifilm CDRs.
The best there is - or so I read. Their discs make great
wallpaper. Emperor N has got a funny fiddle so I burn $.

I guess I can make a bootup floppy before bed. These
little things can undo the best of us. Follow this

thread
for more of the same. Revelation after revolution is it.
Oh yes, my old HDD is 13.9GB.

Glad to have you aboard, Noel.

Cheers,

Ben.

-----Original Message-----
Oh Brother! we could write a doctoral thesis on the

best
way to set that
system up!g

So - let's just check the facts/hardware first.....

Your current C: drive is one of three partitions on a
40GB HD
The D: drive is presumably the original one (10GB??)-
formatted as a
bootable drive? (what does FDISK /STATUS have to say??)
My first inclination would be to get you to wipe both
disks, and FDISK them
in the following manner (assuming you've no plans to
upgrade to XP in the
near future!)

Drive1 (40GB)
stick to three partitions
Primary
C: - bootable/active - 4GB max ( for the OS and
unavoidables)
Extended
D: 10GB - for programs/applications
E: the rest - for Data

Drive 2 (10??GB)
make this one completely a single Extended partition -
you can then use it
for compressed backups of your data files

No need to use Partition Magic at all, unless you find
that you're running
short of space on one of the partitions, and want to
resize them a bit.



--
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"Ben B" wrote in
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...
Hello Mart,

Thanks for helping me find a response I missed!! The

air
is blue here. I have been clearing my partitions of
important stuff. This in anticipation of a clean
install!

I have two drives. Four logical drives? Anyway two
physical ones. C.E.F. on one, and the old drive D.

If I
may continue thinking about a clean install, with
partitions - just in case!

So I have backed-up my precious junk (including
freeware).
Here is what I am thinking and wondering about. What
else
needs backing-up?
1. E-mail addies. 2. E-mails. Question. I have all my
important e-mails in a file. Will they still open

if...?
3. BIOS settings. Copy them out? Or does the CMOS

take
care of them?
4. I have an OEM WinMe CD. Check to ensure I can I

can
run
it from DOS?
5. I have installation CDs for Sound and Video,
Intellipoint Mouse and Asus Via Chipset. That is all.
6. I have my Product Key for the WinMe CD.
7. I quess I need the settings for: Winipcfg.

Network.
Int. Options (Advanced tab). Folder Options and ?
8. What system files should I back-up? And drivers?
9. My (new) HDD is 40GB. Am I correct in thinking

that
it
is more efficient to partition a drive of that size?

It
was done for me on installation. I have Partition

Magic
8.0 but I have never looked at it. By the 'sound' of
things Fdisk would be more user friendly. In anycase

I
haven't the slightest idea of how to bring PM from D
into
DOS on C.

That will do for today. I feel knotted! Tomorrow I

will
mull over your other post and Koldbear's article.

I hope you can stay with this, Mart, one way or

t'other.
If things go 'out of shape' I have access to another
computer nearby.
Thanks.
Ben.







-----Original Message-----
No not yet Ben, we're still here for the moment -

it's
well past bed time in
the UK!

See my reply further down the thread - will pick-up
tomorrow.

Mart



"Ben B" wrote

in
message
...
Oh boy, what it is to be all alone.
-----Original Message-----
Ah!! - It's THAT Ben B.

I thought I recognised the signature g

Mart


"Noel Paton"

wrote
in
message
...
Ben's been avoiding a reinstall for almost as

long
as I
can remember! - I
got around providing an 'idiot's guide' for

him by
publishing that pageg


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"Mart" wrote in

message
...
Good luck Ben and be sure to follow the late
Koldbear's advice on Noel's
pages if necessary, for a (reasonably)

painless
re-
install. If you need
to
do a 'clean' install, use the link to Jim
Eshelman's
site (aumha) at the
top
of Noel's page.

Mart


"Ben B"
wrote
in message
news:1517a01c4467c$46f707a0

...
Hello Mart,

I note the info on scanreg /restore with
interest.

So much was happening with the EBD

difficulty
that
I am
somewhat confused about when the

DISPLAY.SYS
first
aappeared, however since I had come across
that
particular
file whilst trying to create the EBD I

recall
thinking
that was the root of the problem. I may

have
used
the
28th. rb.cab restore point. Will try it

again
and
then if
that doesn't work then I shall use the
12th.May
one
and,
in consequence, have some re-installing of
freeware
to do.
Will post back when the hair has settled on
the
floor.

Thanks, Mart.

Ben.


-Original Message-----
It doesn't matter whether you run
scanreg /restore
in
either Windows or DOS
although there are times when, if you

can't
get
into
Windows - even in Safe
Mode - then the DOS method may be the only
solution.

Regarding the dates, don't worry too much
about
the order
of rb00X suffix,
they just update until rb005 then start

over
again. I was
more concerned
about the dates themselves. The fact that
they
are
reasonably recent shows
that 'something' is working OK g.
Although it
is odd
that you still have
one dated 12th May (unless it is a faulty
one)

You didn't say when the windows.sys error
started -
again, if only recently
then choose the last one BEFORE that date.

If you do decide to consider re-installing
WinMe
(but
note Rick's comment
regarding the boot disk only - ...Then you
can
just
forget about it until it
comes time to reinstall the OS), then I
suggest
you take
a look at Noel's
site:

http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm
and think through your strategy.

Re-installing will automatically ask if

you
want
to make
a boot disk and
should also reset the path statements.

It's up to you to decide whether the

effort
will
be worth
it g

Good luck

Mart


"Ben B"


wrote in
message
news:1537201c44657$36afb380
...
Hello Mart,

That is very clear. I think? I may have
used a
too
recent
date on a scanreg /restore AND I did it
with
Windows
running! Will give it another go your

way -
and
post
back.
(Sorry about the dual posts. I wasn't
exactly
sure that
was the case.)
I just had a look at the rb* and I have

the
five
but the
dates are odd. .000 is 29th.May. .001

the
29th.
(later
on). .002 the 30th. .003 missing. .400

the
12th
May!
And .005 the 28th May. I would prefer to
wait
for your
response as to which one I might best

use.
And I
have
just
begun using (29th.early) Delindex 5.0.

This
compacts
(amongst many other features) the

Registry
using
the
command ScanReg.exe /opt. A possible
problem?

Thanks, Mart.
Ben.
-----Original Message-----
Ben, for the moment please keep to the

one
thread, it's
getting complicated
enough g. Your other (later) topic is
related
and is
best continued in
this one.

From what you are reporting, you not

only
have
lost the
path settings but
you also 'appear' to have a corrupted
windows.sys file
(and others too
perhaps!)

Under the circumstances - and assuming
this
issue (the
windows.sys report)
is only recent - try the following with
your 'new' boot
disk (from
bootdisk.com).

Boot, using your Windows Startup

(floppy)
Disk
and
choose
4) Minimal Boot.

At the A:\ prompt,
type "scanreg /restore"
(no
quotes
and note the space
between the g and /) then press Enter.

Follow the screen prompts and when

asked,
select the
LAST 'good' date before
you had problems, continuing with the
instructions.

Don't forget to remove the floppy disk
BEFORE
you tell
the machine to
reboot.

See if that helps to get rid of
the 'windows.sys' error
report.

BTW - what dates were offered, i.e how
recent
were
they? -
They *should* be
five, consecutive (very) recent dates.

If you have got 'corrupted' or damaged
(registry)
files,
then you *may* well
have to re-install BUT DON'T GO THERE
YET!!

Mart


"Ben B"

wrote in
message
news:1511401c44614$48ba36b0
...
Hello Rick,

Good to hear from you. I took that

hike
and
got the
EBD
program. Easy yes. And from what else
you
say 'my'
condition will remain more or less

the
same
until I
do
that format and install. Time is
passing,
Rick, that
might
just be the challenge too far!

Oh and I forgot. In the beginning the
word
was update
your
EBD from time to time. Why?

And see my post above for a real
snooker!

Cheers,
Ben.





-----Original Message-----
Ben B wrote:

Hello Mart,

Thanks for responding. In the
beginning
making an
EBD
was
simple. These days, after I
have 'messed
about'
with
my
computer for some years, it is

not.

heheh I know that tune.


I am using the same disk each

time I
try
for the
EBD.
And
each time different files cannot

be
found.
I find
them
in
BASE2.CAB or WIN9_.CAB or

WIN_16.CAB
or
in
WIN19_.CAB,
and
the EBD is created, I repeat the
making
and still
have
to
look for and point at paths. I

have
all
of
the
CABS
involved in
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL
and
still
the
required files cannot all be

found.

I have had to copy these four CAB
files
from
Win9x on
my F
drive. They and others like them!
were
and
are
not,
on
C.
Any thoughts about my recovering

the
innocence of
the
total newbie in this particular
regard?
Thanks.
Ben.

well the easy way in this case would
be to
hike
over to
www.bootdisk.com
and download an EBD-making program
(pick
their
WinME-
OEM
version). Then
you can just forget about it until

it
comes
time to
reinstall the OS.


Rick



-----Original Message-----
Search for BASE2.CAB on your hard
drive
and make a
note

of its location.

(Probably in the
C:\Windows\Options\Install or
\Cabs

folder)

Then try and create the EBD again,
but
this time
when
the

error message

appears, navigate to the location

of
the
BASE2.CAB
file.

The process should

now continue and complete the

WinMe
Startup Disk.

HTH

Mart


"Ben B"

wrote
in

message

news:1532601c445d9$02a4efc0
...

Hello,

I encounter this message when
attempting
to make
an
EBD: "Error Details. The

following
error
occurred: "The
file was not found(error #2).

Setup
could
not
finish
opening a file on the source

disk.
Source file: A:\Autoexec.ebd
Destination file: C:\WINEBD0.400
\EBD\autoexec.bat=
BASE2.CAB"
All the EBD files are subject to

the
same
error
message.

What are the implications behind

the
message?

Help appreciated.


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