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Old October 13th 10, 12:43 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
mm
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Default Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee

Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB mechanicial hard drive to
another spot on the same drivee

I have a 500gig MyBook, USB external drive by WD, and I have to move
80 gigs from a FAT32 primary partition to a FAT32 logical partition,
to make a slot for a new bootable primary partition, since I'm only
allowed 3 and I already have 2. (Yes, I didn't plan well enough.)

A) Is there some clever partitioning program that can just leave the
data in place and make it into a new logical partion within a new
extended partition? Even thought this data is at the beginning of
the drive? I have no extended partition now, but would have to make
one somewhere for sure.

B) If A won't work and I have to move the data, which would be faster:

1) to copy the data from the current partition to the new logical
partition, or
2) to copy the data to a folder or new partition in my internal
drive, an 80 Gig, WD PATA drive; and then copy it back again.

I've gotten the impression the second might be faster and easeier,
because to copy from one place to another on the same drive means an
awful lot of head/tone arm movement, back and forth, back and forth;
but to use two drives leaves the head in almost the same place all the
time, just moving graduallly through the partition. That it might be
so much better it woudl be better to make the move twice, to the other
drive and back again, than to do so on one drive.

I have one gig of ram though I could put in another 500 meg of ram if
it will help. I have USB2.

What should I do?

Thanks.
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Old October 13th 10, 07:23 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Hot-Text
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Default Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee

Move is move it all take time, The more GB you move,
The more time it takes... And your ram is just fine!

(Yes, we all didn't plan well enough the first time)
[And when we thank are plan are just right... We see we needed to plan just
a little bit more!]


"mm" wrote in message
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Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB mechanicial hard drive to
another spot on the same drivee

I have a 500gig MyBook, USB external drive by WD, and I have to move
80 gigs from a FAT32 primary partition to a FAT32 logical partition,
to make a slot for a new bootable primary partition, since I'm only
allowed 3 and I already have 2. (Yes, I didn't plan well enough.)

A) Is there some clever partitioning program that can just leave the
data in place and make it into a new logical partion within a new
extended partition? Even thought this data is at the beginning of
the drive? I have no extended partition now, but would have to make
one somewhere for sure.

B) If A won't work and I have to move the data, which would be faster:

1) to copy the data from the current partition to the new logical
partition, or
2) to copy the data to a folder or new partition in my internal
drive, an 80 Gig, WD PATA drive; and then copy it back again.

I've gotten the impression the second might be faster and easeier,
because to copy from one place to another on the same drive means an
awful lot of head/tone arm movement, back and forth, back and forth;
but to use two drives leaves the head in almost the same place all the
time, just moving graduallly through the partition. That it might be
so much better it woudl be better to make the move twice, to the other
drive and back again, than to do so on one drive.

I have one gig of ram though I could put in another 500 meg of ram if
it will help. I have USB2.

What should I do?

Thanks.


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Old October 28th 10, 07:17 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Default Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee

mm wrote:
Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB mechanicial hard drive to
another spot on the same drivee

I have a 500gig MyBook, USB external drive by WD, and I have to move
80 gigs from a FAT32 primary partition to a FAT32 logical partition,
to make a slot for a new bootable primary partition, since I'm only
allowed 3 and I already have 2. (Yes, I didn't plan well enough.)


It doesn't look to me you are creating a slot with either of the plans
you propose. You have to move the Primary Partition into an existing
Extended Partition -- not create a new one. An Extended Partition is
itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container
for multiple Logical Partitions. The Extended Partition counts toward
the maximum of four Primary Partitions that are allowable per hard disk.
You actually can have multiple Extended Partitions, but it makes no
sense. You really just want one container holding a bunch of Logicals.

What currently is on the hard drive in addition to the 2 Primaries? You
are allowed 4 Primaries, one of which may be an Extended Partition
container.


A) Is there some clever partitioning program that can just leave the
data in place and make it into a new logical partion within a new
extended partition? Even thought this data is at the beginning of
the drive? I have no extended partition now, but would have to make
one somewhere for sure.

B) If A won't work and I have to move the data, which would be faster:

1) to copy the data from the current partition to the new logical
partition, or
2) to copy the data to a folder or new partition in my internal
drive, an 80 Gig, WD PATA drive; and then copy it back again.

I've gotten the impression the second might be faster and easeier,
because to copy from one place to another on the same drive means an
awful lot of head/tone arm movement, back and forth, back and forth;
but to use two drives leaves the head in almost the same place all the
time, just moving graduallly through the partition. That it might be
so much better it woudl be better to make the move twice, to the other
drive and back again, than to do so on one drive.

I have one gig of ram though I could put in another 500 meg of ram if
it will help. I have USB2.

What should I do?

Thanks.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



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Old October 28th 10, 06:43 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Timothy Daniels
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Default Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee

"PCR" wrote:
[.......]
An Extended Partition is
itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container
for multiple Logical Partitions....


Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable"
because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition
can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP)
that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions.
IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest
boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary Partition
marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu in that active
partition can point to an OS residing in ANY partition - including a
logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS.
I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7. The
restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within Extended
Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the Primary Partitions.

The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere in
the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any enabled
internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running status without an
intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS "images". I believe this
also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an
eSATA controller.

*TimDaniels*


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Old October 28th 10, 11:11 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Default Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee

Timothy Daniels wrote:
"PCR" wrote:
[.......]
An Extended Partition is
itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container
for multiple Logical Partitions....


Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable"
because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition
can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP)
that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions.
IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest
boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary Partition
marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu in that
active partition can point to an OS residing in ANY partition -
including a
logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS.
I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7. The
restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within Extended
Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the Primary
Partitions.

The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere in
the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any enabled
internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running status without
an intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS "images". I believe
this
also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an
eSATA controller.

*TimDaniels*


I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn
all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm
mentioned his OS. Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard
drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)

Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to stick
around!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



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Old October 28th 10, 11:59 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Hot-text
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Default Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee

You say:: read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard drive
to boot,
my have on one Computer at::
Root ( C: ) 524 MB, win98 (D 18.8 GB, and win2000 18.6 GB
so that makes 98 at the first 524 MB

on # 2 Computer I test the Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB and
start the Root at 10 GB
Give me today's a testing and we see if that right!

"PCR" wrote in message
...

cut-out-&-Paste
I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn
all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm
mentioned his OS. Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard
drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)

Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to stick
around!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



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Old October 29th 10, 04:33 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
mm
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Default Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:52 -0400, "PCR" wrote:

Timothy Daniels wrote:
"PCR" wrote:
[.......]
An Extended Partition is
itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a container
for multiple Logical Partitions....


Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable"
because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition
can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP)
that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions.
IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest
boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary Partition
marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu in that
active partition can point to an OS residing in ANY partition -
including a
logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS.
I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7. The
restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within Extended
Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the Primary
Partitions.

The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere in
the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any enabled
internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running status without
an intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS "images". I believe
this
also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an
eSATA controller.

*TimDaniels*


I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn
all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm
mentioned his OS.


I was only concerned about efficient ways to copy files. The question
of how to boot occurs to me at times, but my head starts to spin and I
have to lie down.

Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard
drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)


Win98 definitely had more rules than XP, but when I lay down, they all
drained out of my head via my ears.

Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to stick
around!


Currently no computer I have can boot from USB. I was a couple weeks
ago repairing an 18-month old netbook that could, and it was very
convenient, since it had no CD drive or floppy drive.

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Old October 29th 10, 06:06 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Hot-Text wrote:
You say:: read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a hard
drive to boot,
my have on one Computer at::
Root ( C: ) 524 MB, win98 (D 18.8 GB, and win2000 18.6 GB
so that makes 98 at the first 524 MB


Are C: & D: on the same hard drive? Then that would prove there's a way
around the problem, if you can boot D:.

on # 2 Computer I test the Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB
and start the Root at 10 GB
Give me today's a testing and we see if that right!


All right. But don't take any big chances testing it just for me. I mean
that!

"PCR" wrote in message
...

cut-out-&-Paste
I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to
learn all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm
mentioned his OS. Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a
hard drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)

Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to
stick around!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



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Old October 29th 10, 06:18 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Hot-text
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Default Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee

Are C: & D: on the same hard drive? YES

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Old October 29th 10, 06:30 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Default Moving 80 gigs from one spot on a USB drive to another spot on the same drivee

mm wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:52 -0400, "PCR" wrote:

Timothy Daniels wrote:
"PCR" wrote:
[.......]
An Extended Partition is
itself actually a non-bootable Primary Partition which is a
container for multiple Logical Partitions....

Perhaps "non-booting" would be a better term than "non-bootable"
because an OS within a logical drive inside an Extended Partition
can be booted using the boot loader (e.g. ntldr for WinNT/2K/XP)
that can be in the Boot Sector of any one of the Primary Partitions.
IOW, in WinXP, one can have the MBR of the drive with the highest
boot priority (the "boot drive") pass control to the Primary
Partition marked "active" on that drive, and the boot.ini boot menu
in that active partition can point to an OS residing in ANY
partition - including a
logical drive within the Extended Partition - and boot load that OS.
I expect that the same flexibility exists for WinVista and Win7.
The restriction imposed on OSes residing on logical drives within
Extended Partitions is that their boot loader must be on one of the
Primary Partitions.

The implication of this is that an OS clone can reside anywhere
in the system - on any partition (Primary or Extended) and on any
enabled internal hard drive - and it can be booted to running
status without an intermediate "restoration" step needed for OS
"images". I believe this
also includes external eSATA hard drives if the motherboard has an
eSATA controller.

*TimDaniels*


I didn't want to risk the danger of XP/Vista/Win7-irradiation to learn
all that, but it does sound magical indeed. I don't see that mm
mentioned his OS.


I was only concerned about efficient ways to copy files. The question
of how to boot occurs to me at times, but my head starts to spin and I
have to lie down.


Something's gone wrong! The hard drive is supposed to spin -- not your
head!

Would that work for a volume that is Win98 too? (I
believe I've read a Win98 OS must begin within the first 8 GB of a
hard drive to boot, which may be a consideration.)


Win98 definitely had more rules than XP, but when I lay down, they all
drained out of my head via my ears.


Uh-huh. Could be they changed the rules, & the NTLDR method may allow it
now. Hot-text is running a test. In the meantime, look under your cot to
see what's under there.


Should mm decide to do it that way -- it could be best for you to
stick around!


Currently no computer I have can boot from USB. I was a couple weeks
ago repairing an 18-month old netbook that could, and it was very
convenient, since it had no CD drive or floppy drive.


That would be convenient, then; yeah. So -- why do you want another slot
for a Primary Partition? I was presuming you wanted a partition that
would boot.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



 




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