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  #1  
Old June 15th 08, 06:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co.
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Default Backup software--like GHOST

PCR wrote:
I've had to move my reply up-- you didn't go high enough!

Rick Chauvin wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message


[....]

When you install something big (or even a normal program), a new
restore point is *automatically created* - in case you should want
to reverse or undo what the new program installation did to your
system. Which is a nice feature of System Restore. :-)


I don't like to use System Restore at all for a number of reasons -
actually first thing upon installation I did was to shut the dang
thing off (among a hundred other things). I strictly use Imaging
instead which imho is by far better.


You don't trust it to do the job? From Colorado's descriptions, it
doesn't provide much of a report. I probably wouldn't want to use it,
either, if I had to guess what it was doing! I'm sure it will restore a
saved Registry. It uses a "dll-cache" somehow to handle files on a kind
of incremental basis saving only changed ones-- but I'm not sure
precisely which ones or what it does with them! I can think it will
restore a deleted file-- but will it delete an extra one? Does it only
handle executables?


System type files, not only EXEs.

It could be as Colorado says that one might get a feel for which to use
after a while-- ERUNT, System Restore, &/or a 3rd party Image. I see he
has replied to you also. I hope you can find it!


I like having it as one tool in my toolbag, along with ERUNT. And, of
course, the completely reliable (but more time consuming) backup approach
using True Image.

I had to cut and paste THIS one too (into one of my other posts) - I
couldn't respond directly to your post, PCR (which emanated from Rick, I
guess).


  #2  
Old June 15th 08, 06:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Default Backup software--like GHOST

Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
| I've had to move my reply up-- you didn't go high enough!
|
| Rick Chauvin wrote:
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
|
|
| [....]
|
| When you install something big (or even a normal program), a new
| restore point is *automatically created* - in case you should want
| to reverse or undo what the new program installation did to your
| system. Which is a nice feature of System Restore. :-)
|
| I don't like to use System Restore at all for a number of reasons -
| actually first thing upon installation I did was to shut the dang
| thing off (among a hundred other things). I strictly use Imaging
| instead which imho is by far better.
|
| You don't trust it to do the job? From Colorado's descriptions, it
| doesn't provide much of a report. I probably wouldn't want to use it,
| either, if I had to guess what it was doing! I'm sure it will
| restore a saved Registry. It uses a "dll-cache" somehow to handle
| files on a kind of incremental basis saving only changed ones-- but
| I'm not sure precisely which ones or what it does with them! I can
| think it will restore a deleted file-- but will it delete an extra
| one? Does it only handle executables?
|
| System type files, not only EXEs.

Alright, that's right, you said before. Well, I wish there was some kind
of intelligible .log of what that does, though. Suppose an install adds
a file to a system folder, will System Restore remove it? Or does it
just replace files that were removed or modified? I guess, if someone
puts a text file into a system folder, SR wouldn't care at all.

| It could be as Colorado says that one might get a feel for which to
| use after a while-- ERUNT, System Restore, &/or a 3rd party Image. I
| see he has replied to you also. I hope you can find it!
|
| I like having it as one tool in my toolbag, along with ERUNT. And,
| of course, the completely reliable (but more time consuming) backup
| approach using True Image.
|
| I had to cut and paste THIS one too (into one of my other posts) - I
| couldn't respond directly to your post, PCR (which emanated from
| Rick, I guess).

Yep. We've reached that point in several thread segments, I think.


--
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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #3  
Old June 15th 08, 06:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MEB[_2_]
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Default Backup software--like GHOST

Let me catch you while this is still readable,,,

Did you get your modified IUHIST? Was that more what you were looking for?

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"PCR" wrote in message
...
| Bill in Co. wrote:
| | PCR wrote:
| | I've had to move my reply up-- you didn't go high enough!
| |
| | Rick Chauvin wrote:
| | "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| |
| |
| | [....]
| |
| | When you install something big (or even a normal program), a new
| | restore point is *automatically created* - in case you should want
| | to reverse or undo what the new program installation did to your
| | system. Which is a nice feature of System Restore. :-)
| |
| | I don't like to use System Restore at all for a number of reasons -
| | actually first thing upon installation I did was to shut the dang
| | thing off (among a hundred other things). I strictly use Imaging
| | instead which imho is by far better.
| |
| | You don't trust it to do the job? From Colorado's descriptions, it
| | doesn't provide much of a report. I probably wouldn't want to use it,
| | either, if I had to guess what it was doing! I'm sure it will
| | restore a saved Registry. It uses a "dll-cache" somehow to handle
| | files on a kind of incremental basis saving only changed ones-- but
| | I'm not sure precisely which ones or what it does with them! I can
| | think it will restore a deleted file-- but will it delete an extra
| | one? Does it only handle executables?
| |
| | System type files, not only EXEs.
|
| Alright, that's right, you said before. Well, I wish there was some kind
| of intelligible .log of what that does, though. Suppose an install adds
| a file to a system folder, will System Restore remove it? Or does it
| just replace files that were removed or modified? I guess, if someone
| puts a text file into a system folder, SR wouldn't care at all.
|
| | It could be as Colorado says that one might get a feel for which to
| | use after a while-- ERUNT, System Restore, &/or a 3rd party Image. I
| | see he has replied to you also. I hope you can find it!
| |
| | I like having it as one tool in my toolbag, along with ERUNT. And,
| | of course, the completely reliable (but more time consuming) backup
| | approach using True Image.
| |
| | I had to cut and paste THIS one too (into one of my other posts) - I
| | couldn't respond directly to your post, PCR (which emanated from
| | Rick, I guess).
|
| Yep. We've reached that point in several thread segments, I think.
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
|
|


  #4  
Old June 15th 08, 06:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Posts: 4,396
Default Backup software--like GHOST

MEB wrote:
| Let me catch you while this is still readable,,,
|
| Did you get your modified IUHIST? Was that more what you were
| looking for?

Yes, I did. Didn't my response get to you? Thanks. It's going to take
about six years for me to analyze it, though-- I said! My original
version has functioning +/- signs, but your modified text version is
easier to browse. Thanks again.

| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
|| Bill in Co. wrote:
|| | PCR wrote:
|| | I've had to move my reply up-- you didn't go high enough!
|| |
|| | Rick Chauvin wrote:
|| | "Bill in Co." wrote in message
|| |
|| |
|| | [....]
|| |
|| | When you install something big (or even a normal program), a new
|| | restore point is *automatically created* - in case you should
|| | want to reverse or undo what the new program installation did
|| | to your system. Which is a nice feature of System Restore. :-)
|| |
|| | I don't like to use System Restore at all for a number of
|| | reasons - actually first thing upon installation I did was to
|| | shut the dang thing off (among a hundred other things). I
|| | strictly use Imaging instead which imho is by far better.
|| |
|| | You don't trust it to do the job? From Colorado's descriptions, it
|| | doesn't provide much of a report. I probably wouldn't want to use
|| | it, either, if I had to guess what it was doing! I'm sure it will
|| | restore a saved Registry. It uses a "dll-cache" somehow to handle
|| | files on a kind of incremental basis saving only changed ones--
|| | but I'm not sure precisely which ones or what it does with them!
|| | I can think it will restore a deleted file-- but will it delete
|| | an extra one? Does it only handle executables?
|| |
|| | System type files, not only EXEs.
||
|| Alright, that's right, you said before. Well, I wish there was some
|| kind of intelligible .log of what that does, though. Suppose an
|| install adds a file to a system folder, will System Restore remove
|| it? Or does it just replace files that were removed or modified? I
|| guess, if someone puts a text file into a system folder, SR wouldn't
|| care at all.
||
|| | It could be as Colorado says that one might get a feel for which
|| | to use after a while-- ERUNT, System Restore, &/or a 3rd party
|| | Image. I see he has replied to you also. I hope you can find it!
|| |
|| | I like having it as one tool in my toolbag, along with ERUNT.
|| | And, of course, the completely reliable (but more time consuming)
|| | backup approach using True Image.
|| |
|| | I had to cut and paste THIS one too (into one of my other posts) -
|| | I couldn't respond directly to your post, PCR (which emanated from
|| | Rick, I guess).
||
|| Yep. We've reached that point in several thread segments, I think.
||
||
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
||

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #5  
Old June 15th 08, 07:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MEB[_2_]
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Default Backup software--like GHOST

YW, just wondered if you did,, guess I need to check that account and see if
Live broke it again...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"PCR" wrote in message
...
| MEB wrote:
| | Let me catch you while this is still readable,,,
| |
| | Did you get your modified IUHIST? Was that more what you were
| | looking for?
|
| Yes, I did. Didn't my response get to you? Thanks. It's going to take
| about six years for me to analyze it, though-- I said! My original
| version has functioning +/- signs, but your modified text version is
| easier to browse. Thanks again.
|
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| || Bill in Co. wrote:
| || | PCR wrote:
| || | I've had to move my reply up-- you didn't go high enough!
| || |
| || | Rick Chauvin wrote:
| || | "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| || |
| || |
| || | [....]
| || |
| || | When you install something big (or even a normal program), a new
| || | restore point is *automatically created* - in case you should
| || | want to reverse or undo what the new program installation did
| || | to your system. Which is a nice feature of System Restore. :-)
| || |
| || | I don't like to use System Restore at all for a number of
| || | reasons - actually first thing upon installation I did was to
| || | shut the dang thing off (among a hundred other things). I
| || | strictly use Imaging instead which imho is by far better.
| || |
| || | You don't trust it to do the job? From Colorado's descriptions, it
| || | doesn't provide much of a report. I probably wouldn't want to use
| || | it, either, if I had to guess what it was doing! I'm sure it will
| || | restore a saved Registry. It uses a "dll-cache" somehow to handle
| || | files on a kind of incremental basis saving only changed ones--
| || | but I'm not sure precisely which ones or what it does with them!
| || | I can think it will restore a deleted file-- but will it delete
| || | an extra one? Does it only handle executables?
| || |
| || | System type files, not only EXEs.
| ||
| || Alright, that's right, you said before. Well, I wish there was some
| || kind of intelligible .log of what that does, though. Suppose an
| || install adds a file to a system folder, will System Restore remove
| || it? Or does it just replace files that were removed or modified? I
| || guess, if someone puts a text file into a system folder, SR wouldn't
| || care at all.
| ||
| || | It could be as Colorado says that one might get a feel for which
| || | to use after a while-- ERUNT, System Restore, &/or a 3rd party
| || | Image. I see he has replied to you also. I hope you can find it!
| || |
| || | I like having it as one tool in my toolbag, along with ERUNT.
| || | And, of course, the completely reliable (but more time consuming)
| || | backup approach using True Image.
| || |
| || | I had to cut and paste THIS one too (into one of my other posts) -
| || | I couldn't respond directly to your post, PCR (which emanated from
| || | Rick, I guess).
| ||
| || Yep. We've reached that point in several thread segments, I think.
| ||
| ||
| || --
| || Thanks or Good Luck,
| || There may be humor in this post, and,
| || Naturally, you will not sue,
| || Should things get worse after this,
| || PCR
| ||
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

|
|


  #6  
Old June 15th 08, 07:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co.
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Posts: 1,335
Default Backup software--like GHOST

PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
I've had to move my reply up-- you didn't go high enough!

Rick Chauvin wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message


[....]

When you install something big (or even a normal program), a new
restore point is *automatically created* - in case you should want
to reverse or undo what the new program installation did to your
system. Which is a nice feature of System Restore. :-)

I don't like to use System Restore at all for a number of reasons -
actually first thing upon installation I did was to shut the dang
thing off (among a hundred other things). I strictly use Imaging
instead which imho is by far better.

You don't trust it to do the job? From Colorado's descriptions, it
doesn't provide much of a report. I probably wouldn't want to use it,
either, if I had to guess what it was doing! I'm sure it will
restore a saved Registry. It uses a "dll-cache" somehow to handle
files on a kind of incremental basis saving only changed ones-- but
I'm not sure precisely which ones or what it does with them! I can
think it will restore a deleted file-- but will it delete an extra
one? Does it only handle executables?


System type files, not only EXEs.


Alright, that's right, you said before. Well, I wish there was some kind
of intelligible .log of what that does, though. Suppose an install adds
a file to a system folder, will System Restore remove it?


Yup, I believe so (unless it were something like a doc or txt file, for
example).
After all, it may (potentially) have caused a problem (or so System Restore
assumes), and thus when you restore the previous setpoint (assuming you do),
SR logically removes it, and other such ones that were added that had the
potential to have caused a problem (otherwise you wouldn't have chosen to
roll back to the previous restore setpoint).

Or does it just replace files that were removed or modified?


OR added, that had the potential to have messed up your system (and you want
System Restore to recover from that as best it can), so that means removing
those potentially problematic files and file types that were added by the
installation of the program.

I guess, if someone puts a text file into a system folder, SR wouldn't
care at all.


No, it wouldn't care about that. Only the monitored file types (it's
documented on one of the MS knowledge base pages if you look for it under
"System Restore"). It doesn't care a thing about TXT, DOC, WAV, MP3, or
LOG files (for example).

It could be as Colorado says that one might get a feel for which to
use after a while-- ERUNT, System Restore, &/or a 3rd party Image. I
see he has replied to you also. I hope you can find it!


I like having it as one tool in my toolbag, along with ERUNT. And,
of course, the completely reliable (but more time consuming) backup
approach using True Image.

I had to cut and paste THIS one too (into one of my other posts) - I
couldn't respond directly to your post, PCR (which emanated from
Rick, I guess).


Yep. We've reached that point in several thread segments, I think.


I hope this one posts ok too. We could always break precedent and create a
new, on topic, thread. Maybe you should start that!


  #7  
Old June 15th 08, 08:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Posts: 4,396
Default Backup software--like GHOST

MEB wrote:
| YW, just wondered if you did,, guess I need to check that account and
| see if Live broke it again...

OK. Careful you are not murdered by Terhune or anyone before I get a
chance to analyze it.

| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
|| MEB wrote:
|| | Let me catch you while this is still readable,,,
|| |
|| | Did you get your modified IUHIST? Was that more what you were
|| | looking for?
||
|| Yes, I did. Didn't my response get to you? Thanks. It's going to take
|| about six years for me to analyze it, though-- I said! My original
|| version has functioning +/- signs, but your modified text version is
|| easier to browse. Thanks again.
||
|| | --
|| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|| | --
|| | _________
|| |
|| | "PCR" wrote in message
|| | ...
|| || Bill in Co. wrote:
|| || | PCR wrote:
|| || | I've had to move my reply up-- you didn't go high enough!
|| || |
|| || | Rick Chauvin wrote:
|| || | "Bill in Co." wrote in message
|| || |
|| || |
|| || | [....]
|| || |
|| || | When you install something big (or even a normal program), a
|| || | new restore point is *automatically created* - in case you
|| || | should want to reverse or undo what the new program
|| || | installation did to your system. Which is a nice feature of
|| || | System Restore. :-)
|| || |
|| || | I don't like to use System Restore at all for a number of
|| || | reasons - actually first thing upon installation I did was to
|| || | shut the dang thing off (among a hundred other things). I
|| || | strictly use Imaging instead which imho is by far better.
|| || |
|| || | You don't trust it to do the job? From Colorado's
|| || | descriptions, it doesn't provide much of a report. I probably
|| || | wouldn't want to use it, either, if I had to guess what it was
|| || | doing! I'm sure it will restore a saved Registry. It uses a
|| || | "dll-cache" somehow to handle files on a kind of incremental
|| || | basis saving only changed ones-- but I'm not sure precisely
|| || | which ones or what it does with them! I can think it will
|| || | restore a deleted file-- but will it delete an extra one? Does
|| || | it only handle executables?
|| || |
|| || | System type files, not only EXEs.
|| ||
|| || Alright, that's right, you said before. Well, I wish there was
|| || some kind of intelligible .log of what that does, though. Suppose
|| || an install adds a file to a system folder, will System Restore
|| || remove it? Or does it just replace files that were removed or
|| || modified? I guess, if someone puts a text file into a system
|| || folder, SR wouldn't care at all.
|| ||
|| || | It could be as Colorado says that one might get a feel for
|| || | which to use after a while-- ERUNT, System Restore, &/or a 3rd
|| || | party Image. I see he has replied to you also. I hope you can
|| || | find it!
|| || |
|| || | I like having it as one tool in my toolbag, along with ERUNT.
|| || | And, of course, the completely reliable (but more time
|| || | consuming) backup approach using True Image.
|| || |
|| || | I had to cut and paste THIS one too (into one of my other
|| || | posts) - I couldn't respond directly to your post, PCR (which
|| || | emanated from Rick, I guess).
|| ||
|| || Yep. We've reached that point in several thread segments, I think.
|| ||
|| ||
|| || --
|| || Thanks or Good Luck,
|| || There may be humor in this post, and,
|| || Naturally, you will not sue,
|| || Should things get worse after this,
|| || PCR
|| ||
||
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
||


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #8  
Old June 15th 08, 08:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Backup software--like GHOST

Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
| Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
| I've had to move my reply up-- you didn't go high enough!
|
| Rick Chauvin wrote:
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
|
|
| [....]
|
| When you install something big (or even a normal program), a new
| restore point is *automatically created* - in case you should
| want to reverse or undo what the new program installation did to
| your system. Which is a nice feature of System Restore. :-)
|
| I don't like to use System Restore at all for a number of reasons
| - actually first thing upon installation I did was to shut the
| dang thing off (among a hundred other things). I strictly use
| Imaging instead which imho is by far better.
|
| You don't trust it to do the job? From Colorado's descriptions, it
| doesn't provide much of a report. I probably wouldn't want to use
| it, either, if I had to guess what it was doing! I'm sure it will
| restore a saved Registry. It uses a "dll-cache" somehow to handle
| files on a kind of incremental basis saving only changed ones-- but
| I'm not sure precisely which ones or what it does with them! I can
| think it will restore a deleted file-- but will it delete an extra
| one? Does it only handle executables?
|
| System type files, not only EXEs.
|
| Alright, that's right, you said before. Well, I wish there was some
| kind of intelligible .log of what that does, though. Suppose an
| install adds a file to a system folder, will System Restore remove
| it?
|
| Yup, I believe so (unless it were something like a doc or txt file,
| for example).
| After all, it may (potentially) have caused a problem (or so System
| Restore assumes), and thus when you restore the previous setpoint
| (assuming you do), SR logically removes it, and other such ones that
| were added that had the potential to have caused a problem (otherwise
| you wouldn't have chosen to roll back to the previous restore
| setpoint).

Right. And, yea, that is good/thorough of System Restore to remove added
files as well.

| Or does it just replace files that were removed or modified?
|
| OR added, that had the potential to have messed up your system (and
| you want System Restore to recover from that as best it can), so that
| means removing those potentially problematic files and file types
| that were added by the installation of the program.

Yea. That is good.

| I guess, if someone puts a text file into a system folder, SR
| wouldn't care at all.
|
| No, it wouldn't care about that. Only the monitored file types (it's
| documented on one of the MS knowledge base pages if you look for it
| under "System Restore"). It doesn't care a thing about TXT, DOC,
| WAV, MP3, or LOG files (for example).

I guess that is acceptable. Probably, most installs won't put those
things in a system folder, anyhow. But I personally wouldn't want stray
ones to get in there & get left behind. So... hopefully doing an
install's own un-install routine will get rid of it first-- IF the
system is well enough to allow it: This is a System Restore, after all.
I'm sure you agree fully.

| It could be as Colorado says that one might get a feel for which to
| use after a while-- ERUNT, System Restore, &/or a 3rd party Image.
| I see he has replied to you also. I hope you can find it!
|
| I like having it as one tool in my toolbag, along with ERUNT. And,
| of course, the completely reliable (but more time consuming) backup
| approach using True Image.
|
| I had to cut and paste THIS one too (into one of my other posts) - I
| couldn't respond directly to your post, PCR (which emanated from
| Rick, I guess).
|
| Yep. We've reached that point in several thread segments, I think.
|
| I hope this one posts ok too. We could always break precedent and
| create a new, on topic, thread. Maybe you should start that!

I think I know enough now about System Restore, &/or I will Google for
what you say. I'm not switching yet to XP, after all. Thanks for all of
this info, Bill. We should wrap up the conversation on this topic.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #9  
Old June 15th 08, 11:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co.
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Posts: 1,335
Default Backup software--like GHOST

PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
I've had to move my reply up-- you didn't go high enough!

Rick Chauvin wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message


[....]

When you install something big (or even a normal program), a new
restore point is *automatically created* - in case you should
want to reverse or undo what the new program installation did to
your system. Which is a nice feature of System Restore. :-)

I don't like to use System Restore at all for a number of reasons
- actually first thing upon installation I did was to shut the
dang thing off (among a hundred other things). I strictly use
Imaging instead which imho is by far better.


Well, and it's the only 100% guaranteed approach, although sometimes using
it is like using a sledge hammer to pound a nail, when just a hammer would
do (assuming you know when to use each, which only comes from experience,
although I have presented some general guidelines already)

You don't trust it to do the job? From Colorado's descriptions, it
doesn't provide much of a report. I probably wouldn't want to use
it, either, if I had to guess what it was doing! I'm sure it will
restore a saved Registry. It uses a "dll-cache" somehow to handle
files on a kind of incremental basis saving only changed ones-- but
I'm not sure precisely which ones or what it does with them! I can
think it will restore a deleted file-- but will it delete an extra
one? Does it only handle executables?

System type files, not only EXEs.

Alright, that's right, you said before. Well, I wish there was some
kind of intelligible .log of what that does, though. Suppose an
install adds a file to a system folder, will System Restore remove it?


Yup, I believe so (unless it were something like a doc or txt file,
for example).
After all, it may (potentially) have caused a problem (or so System
Restore assumes), and thus when you restore the previous setpoint
(assuming you do), SR logically removes it, and other such ones that
were added that had the potential to have caused a problem (otherwise
you wouldn't have chosen to roll back to the previous restore
setpoint).


Right. And, yea, that is good/thorough of System Restore to remove added
files as well.

Or does it just replace files that were removed or modified?


OR added, that had the potential to have messed up your system (and
you want System Restore to recover from that as best it can), so that
means removing those potentially problematic files and file types
that were added by the installation of the program.


Yea. That is good.

I guess, if someone puts a text file into a system folder, SR
wouldn't care at all.


No, it wouldn't care about that. Only the monitored file types (it's
documented on one of the MS knowledge base pages if you look for it
under "System Restore"). It doesn't care a thing about TXT, DOC,
WAV, MP3, or LOG files (for example).


I guess that is acceptable. Probably, most installs won't put those
things in a system folder, anyhow.


No, they sometimes do put stuff in there (and always in Program Files, and
sometinmes a few other places), generally speaking. And ALL of those are
monitored by System Restore.

But I personally wouldn't want stray
ones to get in there & get left behind. So... hopefully doing an
install's own un-install routine will get rid of it first-- IF the
system is well enough to allow it: This is a System Restore, after all.
I'm sure you agree fully.

It could be as Colorado says that one might get a feel for which to
use after a while-- ERUNT, System Restore, &/or a 3rd party Image.
I see he has replied to you also. I hope you can find it!

I like having it as one tool in my toolbag, along with ERUNT. And,
of course, the completely reliable (but more time consuming) backup
approach using True Image.

I had to cut and paste THIS one too (into one of my other posts) - I
couldn't respond directly to your post, PCR (which emanated from
Rick, I guess).

Yep. We've reached that point in several thread segments, I think.


I hope this one posts ok too. We could always break precedent and
create a new, on topic, thread. Maybe you should start that!


I think I know enough now about System Restore, &/or I will Google for
what you say.


You should. If you don't want to use it, you can disable it, too. But I
wouldn't recommend that. It really doesn't take up all that much disk
space (which you can define) for the peace of mind it offers, assuming you
use it prudently.

IOW, ALWAYS having to restore using a backup drive - is a bit of a PIA, and
IS time consuming. Sure, it's 100% assured, but I'd rather recover from
some relatively minor screwups in 2 minutes (by using System Restore or
ERUNT) than one hour (or so) total time.

I'm not switching yet to XP, after all.


Don't let all I've said scare you off. If that's the case, I'm sorry I
ever responded.
But you may be sorry down the pike. :-) There will undoubtedly come a
time (heck right now I can't even get my Tax Program for Win98 - grrrr), and
once that time comes, it will be too late. Why? Because.....

And as of today, you have only 15 days left to still be able to get Win XP
Home. :-)
And after that, VISTA is it - period, end of story. (Shudder......)

Or Linux.


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Old June 17th 08, 12:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
| Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
| Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
| I've had to move my reply up-- you didn't go high enough!
|
| Rick Chauvin wrote:
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
|
|
| [....]
|
| When you install something big (or even a normal program), a
| new restore point is *automatically created* - in case you
| should want to reverse or undo what the new program
| installation did to your system. Which is a nice feature of
| System Restore. :-)
|
| I don't like to use System Restore at all for a number of
| reasons - actually first thing upon installation I did was to
| shut the dang thing off (among a hundred other things). I
| strictly use Imaging instead which imho is by far better.
|
| Well, and it's the only 100% guaranteed approach, although sometimes
| using it is like using a sledge hammer to pound a nail, when just a
| hammer would do (assuming you know when to use each, which only comes
| from experience, although I have presented some general guidelines
| already)

OK. I, myself, was satisfied with that answer several posts ago. For
small/middle-sized things, Chauvin very likely uses his tracker to do
the reversal, if the program's own uninstall routine didn't get it all &
if his tracker has been updated to work on XP.

....snip
| I guess, if someone puts a text file into a system folder, SR
| wouldn't care at all.
|
| No, it wouldn't care about that. Only the monitored file types
| (it's documented on one of the MS knowledge base pages if you look
| for it under "System Restore"). It doesn't care a thing about
| TXT, DOC, WAV, MP3, or LOG files (for example).
|
| I guess that is acceptable. Probably, most installs won't put those
| things in a system folder, anyhow.
|
| No, they sometimes do put stuff in there (and always in Program
| Files, and sometinmes a few other places), generally speaking. And
| ALL of those are monitored by System Restore.

I see. If Program Files is involved... that's a pity, then, that it
won't go for non-executables... because there must be plenty in there! I
suppose System Restore never intended to do a full uninstall, though--
but only a deactivate. That's sloppy, but should be effective enough to
get one booting again. Then, you must clean up as best you can
afterwards. I wouldn't want to be in that situation!

| But I personally wouldn't want stray
| ones to get in there & get left behind. So... hopefully doing an
| install's own un-install routine will get rid of it first-- IF the
| system is well enough to allow it: This is a System Restore, after
| all. I'm sure you agree fully.

....snip
| I think I know enough now about System Restore, &/or I will Google
| for what you say.
|
| You should. If you don't want to use it, you can disable it, too.
| But I wouldn't recommend that. It really doesn't take up all that
| much disk space (which you can define) for the peace of mind it
| offers, assuming you use it prudently.

Even if it is sloppy, likely it will get one booting again to do the
cleanup of non-executables. That may not be too big a chore in most
cases. SO... likely I would do as you & keep it running-- IF it didn't
seem to be overbearing on resources & the speed of the machine & the use
of the hard drive. I must reserve a final decision until I get my own
XP-machine-- IF ever.

Thanks for your input. That's really all I need for now. You may reply
once more on this topic-- but me 'n Chauvin are done!

| IOW, ALWAYS having to restore using a backup drive - is a bit of a
| PIA, and IS time consuming. Sure, it's 100% assured, but I'd
| rather recover from some relatively minor screwups in 2 minutes (by
| using System Restore or ERUNT) than one hour (or so) total time.

I tend to agree.

| I'm not switching yet to XP, after all.
|
| Don't let all I've said scare you off. If that's the case, I'm
| sorry I ever responded.

No, no-- don't worry! When I MUST switch, I will-- that remains true!

| But you may be sorry down the pike. :-) There will undoubtedly
| come a time (heck right now I can't even get my Tax Program for Win98
| - grrrr), and once that time comes, it will be too late. Why?
| Because.....
|
| And as of today, you have only 15 days left to still be able to get
| Win XP Home. :-)
| And after that, VISTA is it - period, end of story. (Shudder......)
|
| Or Linux.

Understood-- for a new machine only, though.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



 




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