Updating Windows 98

On 05.03.2006 19:19 UK Time, Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Actually, IIRC, Microsoft Update is an entirely optional upgrade to Windows
Updates. One that's not available to Win9x users, only to XP users.

And Win2000, actually.


Odd, 207.46.20.222 takes me to the non-secure Windows Updates site, whence I
get the same error as you reported. Well, not the same. All I get is some
unspecified error, but it's a Windows Updates error, not a generic 404. You
clicked right on the link I sent? Or copy/pasted it into the address bar?

I pasted it into the address bar.

It is indeed odd - if I paste
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp in the address bar
I get "This page cannot be displayed".

If I paste 207.46.20.222 in the address bar, like you I get the "Windows
Update Error" page.

If I past 207.46.20.222 in the address bar on my main Windows 2000 PC, I
get to the main MS Update site.

Have you already installed the UK code pages?

I'm not sure what you mean by "UK code pages" - can you enlighten me?


Another thing you might try is to uncheck the first item in Internet
Settings, Advanced tab, Security section (at bottom) -- "Check for
publisher's certificate revocation" and the next one regarding server
certificates, too.

These 2 items are not checked anyway.


Otherwise, email me in private for a solution or two that I don't want to
broadcast in public.


Will do, thank you.

Herbert Eppel
www.HETranslation.co.uk

We've taken this thread private, but just to cover that one issue -- "Code
pages" are inserted by DOS routines early in the boot procedure that change
the keyboard and other language-related settings according to local needs.
The UK has it's own slightly different set of "code pages", different from
EN/US, but unless you deliberately installed them, my guess is that you're
simply using EN/US pages.

Seeing as your business is language translations, I imagine you know all
about this, just not the terminology I used. (I used to do English/Spanish
technical translations, years ago.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Herb" HE@UK wrote in message
...
On 05.03.2006 19:19 UK Time, Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Actually, IIRC, Microsoft Update is an entirely optional upgrade to
Windows
Updates. One that's not available to Win9x users, only to XP users.

And Win2000, actually.


Odd, 207.46.20.222 takes me to the non-secure Windows Updates site,
whence I
get the same error as you reported. Well, not the same. All I get is
some
unspecified error, but it's a Windows Updates error, not a generic 404.
You
clicked right on the link I sent? Or copy/pasted it into the address
bar?

I pasted it into the address bar.

It is indeed odd - if I paste
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp in the address bar
I get "This page cannot be displayed".

If I paste 207.46.20.222 in the address bar, like you I get the "Windows
Update Error" page.

If I past 207.46.20.222 in the address bar on my main Windows 2000 PC, I
get to the main MS Update site.

Have you already installed the UK code pages?

I'm not sure what you mean by "UK code pages" - can you enlighten me?


Another thing you might try is to uncheck the first item in Internet
Settings, Advanced tab, Security section (at bottom) -- "Check for
publisher's certificate revocation" and the next one regarding server
certificates, too.

These 2 items are not checked anyway.


Otherwise, email me in private for a solution or two that I don't want
to
broadcast in public.


Will do, thank you.

Herbert Eppel
www.HETranslation.co.uk

On 05.03.2006 20:09 UK Time, Gary S. Terhune wrote:
We've taken this thread private, but just to cover that one issue -- "Code
pages" are inserted by DOS routines early in the boot procedure that change
the keyboard and other language-related settings according to local needs.
The UK has it's own slightly different set of "code pages", different from
EN/US, but unless you deliberately installed them, my guess is that you're
simply using EN/US pages.

Seeing as your business is language translations, I imagine you know all
about this, just not the terminology I used. (I used to do English/Spanish
technical translations, years ago.)


Hi Gary,

as you assumed, I know about different keyboard layouts, but the depth
of my knowledge in this respect is rather limited, and I wasn't aware of
the code page issue.

I didn't manually intervene in the installation process, and after
installation the keyboard layout was EN/US as you suspected.

I have since changed it to EN/GB via Control Panel Keyboard.

Regards

Herbert Eppel
www.HETranslation.co.uk

I think I'm slightly off on the role code pages play, I think they have more
to do with regional settings then with keyboard settings per se. Regardless,
I don't think they're an issue here.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Herb" HE@UK wrote in message
...
On 05.03.2006 20:09 UK Time, Gary S. Terhune wrote:
We've taken this thread private, but just to cover that one issue --
"Code
pages" are inserted by DOS routines early in the boot procedure that
change
the keyboard and other language-related settings according to local
needs.
The UK has it's own slightly different set of "code pages", different
from
EN/US, but unless you deliberately installed them, my guess is that
you're
simply using EN/US pages.

Seeing as your business is language translations, I imagine you know all
about this, just not the terminology I used. (I used to do
English/Spanish
technical translations, years ago.)


Hi Gary,

as you assumed, I know about different keyboard layouts, but the depth
of my knowledge in this respect is rather limited, and I wasn't aware of
the code page issue.

I didn't manually intervene in the installation process, and after
installation the keyboard layout was EN/US as you suspected.

I have since changed it to EN/GB via Control Panel Keyboard.

Regards

Herbert Eppel
www.HETranslation.co.uk

On 05.03.2006 17:34 UK Time, Herb wrote:
On 05.03.2006 16:58 UK Time, Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Sure, come on back.

Notes: I usually wait to make sure I have the proper Display drivers
installed before installing the monitor. Also, you'll find that you
have to
install the NIC (ethernet card) manually. I usually go to Device Manager,
double-click the NIC, which will have a yellow exclamation point due to
being detected but not installed. A button will appear called "Reinstall
Drivers" If you don't already have a floppy with the proper NIC
drivers on
it, you'll need to use your other system to create one.

On the other hand, this is a laptop we're talking about, so it might look
significantly different, depending on what kind of network adapter you
have -- Onboard or PCMCIA or whatever.


Hi Gary,

thanks for your comments.

Fortunately I had kept the display driver CD, and I've got the display
back in it's full 1024 x 768 glory and crispness :-)

I also downloaded the driver for my PCMCIA card from the web using my
main computer and installed it on the laptop via a floppy - much to my
amazement it then automatically found its way through to the web via my
Ethernet hub :-)

I have since installed ZoneAlarm for protection, but one problem I have
now (and indeed had before the upgrade) is with MS Windows Update, i.e.
when I click on Windows Update it calls up Internet Explorer and goes
through some checking routine, but when I then click on "Scan for
updates" it comes back with an error message "Windows Update Error"
without much further detail, although there is a link for reporting it
under number 0x80072F89

Windows Update is working now on the laptop, and I have installed all
the critical updates and some recommended ones.

However, I now have a new issue, i.e. I am trying to install Windows
Defender, but the installer tells me "You must install a Windows service
pack that contains a newer version of the Windows Installer service".

Do I have to conclude from this that Windows Defender does not work
under Windows 98 SE?

Thank you.

Herbert Eppel
www.HETranslation.co.uk

Bravo!

I know nothing of Windows Defender. I suggest that it's time to end this
thread and follow up with such additional questions as you have in more
appropriate forums where you're more likely to get an answer. I doubt many
people are even reading this one anymore. Maybe Noel...

Besides the Win98.Gen_Discussion NG, the forums at www.aumha.net,
CastleCops, etc., might also have significant info on WD. I wouldn't take it
for granted that your experience means anything in particular about
compatibilities. You may simply have a glitch that's reporting your version
of MS Installer wrongly, or any number of other minor errors that are
irritating but less than serious. People who use WD are more likely to know
about those possibilities.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Herb" HE@UK wrote in message
...

Windows Update is working now on the laptop, and I have installed all
the critical updates and some recommended ones.

However, I now have a new issue, i.e. I am trying to install Windows
Defender, but the installer tells me "You must install a Windows service
pack that contains a newer version of the Windows Installer service".

Do I have to conclude from this that Windows Defender does not work
under Windows 98 SE?

Thank you.

Herbert Eppel
www.HETranslation.co.uk

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Bravo!

I know nothing of Windows Defender. I suggest that it's time to end this
thread and follow up with such additional questions as you have in more
appropriate forums where you're more likely to get an answer. I doubt many
people are even reading this one anymore. Maybe Noel...

Besides the Win98.Gen_Discussion NG, the forums at www.aumha.net,
CastleCops, etc., might also have significant info on WD. I wouldn't take
it
for granted that your experience means anything in particular about
compatibilities. You may simply have a glitch that's reporting your
version
of MS Installer wrongly, or any number of other minor errors that are
irritating but less than serious. People who use WD are more likely to
know
about those possibilities.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Herb" HE@UK wrote in message
...

Windows Update is working now on the laptop, and I have installed all
the critical updates and some recommended ones.

However, I now have a new issue, i.e. I am trying to install Windows
Defender, but the installer tells me "You must install a Windows service
pack that contains a newer version of the Windows Installer service".

Do I have to conclude from this that Windows Defender does not work
under Windows 98 SE?



Windows Defender (Once known as Microsoft AntiSpyware) is only installable i
Windows NT-based OS's (i.e. Win2K or Windows XP)

If you ever manage to get it running in 9x, please let the rest of the world
know - you'll make a fortune!

WD is a BETA program (albeit version 2) which seems to have some serious
deficiencies currently. MS are trying to correct this, but it will never be
available for installation on Win9x, AFAIK.


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

On 06.03.2006 18:35 UK Time, Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Bravo!

I know nothing of Windows Defender. I suggest that it's time to end this
thread and follow up with such additional questions as you have in more
appropriate forums where you're more likely to get an answer. I doubt many
people are even reading this one anymore. Maybe Noel...

Besides the Win98.Gen_Discussion NG, the forums at www.aumha.net,
CastleCops, etc., might also have significant info on WD. I wouldn't take it
for granted that your experience means anything in particular about
compatibilities. You may simply have a glitch that's reporting your version
of MS Installer wrongly, or any number of other minor errors that are
irritating but less than serious. People who use WD are more likely to know
about those possibilities.


Hi Gary,

thanks for the links/pointers to the other support forums, and once
again many thanks for your time, patience and help with this whole
upgrade saga!

Regards

Herbert Eppel
www.HETranslation.co.uk

On 06.03.2006 19:24 UK Time, Noel Paton wrote:
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Bravo!

I know nothing of Windows Defender. I suggest that it's time to end this
thread and follow up with such additional questions as you have in more
appropriate forums where you're more likely to get an answer. I doubt many
people are even reading this one anymore. Maybe Noel...

Besides the Win98.Gen_Discussion NG, the forums at www.aumha.net,
CastleCops, etc., might also have significant info on WD. I wouldn't take
it
for granted that your experience means anything in particular about
compatibilities. You may simply have a glitch that's reporting your
version
of MS Installer wrongly, or any number of other minor errors that are
irritating but less than serious. People who use WD are more likely to
know
about those possibilities.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Herb" HE@UK wrote in message
...
Windows Update is working now on the laptop, and I have installed all
the critical updates and some recommended ones.

However, I now have a new issue, i.e. I am trying to install Windows
Defender, but the installer tells me "You must install a Windows service
pack that contains a newer version of the Windows Installer service".

Do I have to conclude from this that Windows Defender does not work
under Windows 98 SE?



Windows Defender (Once known as Microsoft AntiSpyware) is only installable i
Windows NT-based OS's (i.e. Win2K or Windows XP)

If you ever manage to get it running in 9x, please let the rest of the world
know - you'll make a fortune!

WD is a BETA program (albeit version 2) which seems to have some serious
deficiencies currently. MS are trying to correct this, but it will never be
available for installation on Win9x, AFAIK.

Hi Noel,

thanks for your message - I recently installed Windows Defender on my
main Windows PC and my newer (compared with the Win98 laptop this thread
is all about) Windows XP laptop. It automatically replaced Microsoft
AntiSpyware, so I suppose there is no way back and one can only hope
that the deficiencies you mentioned will be sorted out soon?

Am I right in concluding from your message that there is no equivalent
of Windows Defender available for Windows 98 and one would have to use
non non-MS anti-spyware software?

Regards

Herbert Eppel
www.HETranslation.co.uk

Well, that settles that! Thanks, Noel!

"Nil Carborundum Illegitemi"

"Don't let the *******s wear you down," right?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Windows Defender (Once known as Microsoft AntiSpyware) is only installable
i
Windows NT-based OS's (i.e. Win2K or Windows XP)

If you ever manage to get it running in 9x, please let the rest of the
world
know - you'll make a fortune!

WD is a BETA program (albeit version 2) which seems to have some serious
deficiencies currently. MS are trying to correct this, but it will never
be
available for installation on Win9x, AFAIK.