Cannot assign resources to ISA card (missing resources tab)

Hi all,

I have a problem installing a non-PnP sound/radio combo card and a PnP ISDN
card (both ISA). The combo card is Miro PCM20radio, the ISDN card Teles
16.3c PnP.
Those two don't seem to go along with each other. Installed separately, both
work, on several IRQs (I have enough free) and I/O settings.
When I install the sound card first, the ISDN card isn't recognized by PnP.
When I install the ISDN card first, it stops working when I install the
sound card. The first strange thing is that the sound card seems to always
pick *exactly* the IRQs where there's the ISDN card is installed. Although
the sound card isn't PnP, you can only assign resources in device manager.
After a *lot* of fiddling I managed to get both cards on the same device
manager screen: the sound card is (momentarily) disabled, the ISDN card has
an exclamation mark. On startup, the ISDN card's drivers complain about not
having resources assigned.
But when I go into the card's properties in device manager, there is *no*
resources tab. My plan was to assign resources manually (so they wouldn't
conflict with the sound card) and reenable the sound card. But this doesn't
seem to work, not having any way to assign resources. What's the secret of
the missing resources tab? How can I get it back? Googling doesn't give me
anything useful for "missing resources tab".

Any help appreciated. TIA
Alex
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look for jumper settings on either card

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"Alex Wenzel" wrote in message
...
| Hi all,
|
| I have a problem installing a non-PnP sound/radio combo card and a PnP
ISDN
| card (both ISA). The combo card is Miro PCM20radio, the ISDN card Teles
| 16.3c PnP.
| Those two don't seem to go along with each other. Installed separately,
both
| work, on several IRQs (I have enough free) and I/O settings.
| When I install the sound card first, the ISDN card isn't recognized by
PnP.
| When I install the ISDN card first, it stops working when I install the
| sound card. The first strange thing is that the sound card seems to always
| pick *exactly* the IRQs where there's the ISDN card is installed. Although
| the sound card isn't PnP, you can only assign resources in device manager.
| After a *lot* of fiddling I managed to get both cards on the same device
| manager screen: the sound card is (momentarily) disabled, the ISDN card
has
| an exclamation mark. On startup, the ISDN card's drivers complain about
not
| having resources assigned.
| But when I go into the card's properties in device manager, there is *no*
| resources tab. My plan was to assign resources manually (so they wouldn't
| conflict with the sound card) and reenable the sound card. But this
doesn't
| seem to work, not having any way to assign resources. What's the secret of
| the missing resources tab? How can I get it back? Googling doesn't give me
| anything useful for "missing resources tab".
|
| Any help appreciated. TIA
| Alex
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| cacx1999 - (at) - gmx - (dot) - net.
|
|

Check the BIOS for Legacy ISA IRQ assignment.

Try installing the ISDN and manually changing the resources to other than the
one used by the Sound combo card before re-enabling the combo.

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"Alex Wenzel" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I have a problem installing a non-PnP sound/radio combo card and a PnP ISDN
card (both ISA). The combo card is Miro PCM20radio, the ISDN card Teles
16.3c PnP.
Those two don't seem to go along with each other. Installed separately, both
work, on several IRQs (I have enough free) and I/O settings.
When I install the sound card first, the ISDN card isn't recognized by PnP.
When I install the ISDN card first, it stops working when I install the
sound card. The first strange thing is that the sound card seems to always
pick *exactly* the IRQs where there's the ISDN card is installed. Although
the sound card isn't PnP, you can only assign resources in device manager.
After a *lot* of fiddling I managed to get both cards on the same device
manager screen: the sound card is (momentarily) disabled, the ISDN card has
an exclamation mark. On startup, the ISDN card's drivers complain about not
having resources assigned.
But when I go into the card's properties in device manager, there is *no*
resources tab. My plan was to assign resources manually (so they wouldn't
conflict with the sound card) and reenable the sound card. But this doesn't
seem to work, not having any way to assign resources. What's the secret of
the missing resources tab? How can I get it back? Googling doesn't give me
anything useful for "missing resources tab".

Any help appreciated. TIA
Alex
--
NOTE: Return address is INVALID! To reply directly, please send to
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As Brian mentioned, check the BIOS settings for reserving resources for ISA
assignment. Also, you say the sound card is not plug n play.....doesn't it then
have jumpers you can set to manually select the IRQ for it to use?
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http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Alex Wenzel" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I have a problem installing a non-PnP sound/radio combo card and a PnP ISDN
card (both ISA). The combo card is Miro PCM20radio, the ISDN card Teles
16.3c PnP.
Those two don't seem to go along with each other. Installed separately, both
work, on several IRQs (I have enough free) and I/O settings.
When I install the sound card first, the ISDN card isn't recognized by PnP.
When I install the ISDN card first, it stops working when I install the
sound card. The first strange thing is that the sound card seems to always
pick *exactly* the IRQs where there's the ISDN card is installed. Although
the sound card isn't PnP, you can only assign resources in device manager.
After a *lot* of fiddling I managed to get both cards on the same device
manager screen: the sound card is (momentarily) disabled, the ISDN card has
an exclamation mark. On startup, the ISDN card's drivers complain about not
having resources assigned.
But when I go into the card's properties in device manager, there is *no*
resources tab. My plan was to assign resources manually (so they wouldn't
conflict with the sound card) and reenable the sound card. But this doesn't
seem to work, not having any way to assign resources. What's the secret of
the missing resources tab? How can I get it back? Googling doesn't give me
anything useful for "missing resources tab".

Any help appreciated. TIA
Alex
--
NOTE: Return address is INVALID! To reply directly, please send to
cacx1999 - (at) - gmx - (dot) - net.

There are no jumpers on either card.
I've tried several possibilities in the BIOS from "auto" and everything
"PnP" or everything "Legacy ISA" to only those "Legacy ISA" that the sound
card uses. Every setting had the same result.
And (before somebody mentions it) there isn't a dos configuration utility,
either.
The point of my post was: How can the resources tab, that is the *only*
possibility to assign resources to the ISDN card and that is present when
the card is installed separately, be missing when the sound card is present
(even when the sound card is disabled) and what can be done against it?

Alex
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"glee" wrote in message
...
As Brian mentioned, check the BIOS settings for reserving resources for
ISA
assignment. Also, you say the sound card is not plug n play.....doesn't
it then
have jumpers you can set to manually select the IRQ for it to use?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Alex Wenzel" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I have a problem installing a non-PnP sound/radio combo card and a PnP
ISDN
card (both ISA). The combo card is Miro PCM20radio, the ISDN card Teles
16.3c PnP.
Those two don't seem to go along with each other. Installed separately,
both
work, on several IRQs (I have enough free) and I/O settings.
When I install the sound card first, the ISDN card isn't recognized by
PnP.
When I install the ISDN card first, it stops working when I install the
sound card. The first strange thing is that the sound card seems to
always
pick *exactly* the IRQs where there's the ISDN card is installed.
Although
the sound card isn't PnP, you can only assign resources in device
manager.
After a *lot* of fiddling I managed to get both cards on the same device
manager screen: the sound card is (momentarily) disabled, the ISDN card
has
an exclamation mark. On startup, the ISDN card's drivers complain about
not
having resources assigned.
But when I go into the card's properties in device manager, there is
*no*
resources tab. My plan was to assign resources manually (so they
wouldn't
conflict with the sound card) and reenable the sound card. But this
doesn't
seem to work, not having any way to assign resources. What's the secret
of
the missing resources tab? How can I get it back? Googling doesn't give
me
anything useful for "missing resources tab".

Any help appreciated. TIA
Alex

You generally can't assign resources to these devices using device manager,
even though it sometimes lets you make changes. There is no standard way to
set these devices up for a specific resource, and device manager does not
understand the specifics of these cards.

If the sound card is not PnP and does not have jumpers then its resources
are assigned by the sound card installation program. You must use this
program to initialize the card to the correct settings, even if Windows seem
to identify it and install it. It's not necessarily a DOS application.
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Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Alex Wenzel" wrote in message
...
There are no jumpers on either card.
I've tried several possibilities in the BIOS from "auto" and everything
"PnP" or everything "Legacy ISA" to only those "Legacy ISA" that the sound
card uses. Every setting had the same result.
And (before somebody mentions it) there isn't a dos configuration utility,
either.
The point of my post was: How can the resources tab, that is the *only*
possibility to assign resources to the ISDN card and that is present when
the card is installed separately, be missing when the sound card is
present
(even when the sound card is disabled) and what can be done against it?

Alex
--
NOTE: Return address is INVALID! To reply directly, please send to
cacx1999 - (at) - gmx - (dot) - net.

"glee" wrote in message
...
As Brian mentioned, check the BIOS settings for reserving resources for
ISA
assignment. Also, you say the sound card is not plug n play.....doesn't
it then
have jumpers you can set to manually select the IRQ for it to use?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Alex Wenzel" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I have a problem installing a non-PnP sound/radio combo card and a PnP
ISDN
card (both ISA). The combo card is Miro PCM20radio, the ISDN card Teles
16.3c PnP.
Those two don't seem to go along with each other. Installed separately,
both
work, on several IRQs (I have enough free) and I/O settings.
When I install the sound card first, the ISDN card isn't recognized by
PnP.
When I install the ISDN card first, it stops working when I install the
sound card. The first strange thing is that the sound card seems to
always
pick *exactly* the IRQs where there's the ISDN card is installed.
Although
the sound card isn't PnP, you can only assign resources in device
manager.
After a *lot* of fiddling I managed to get both cards on the same
device
manager screen: the sound card is (momentarily) disabled, the ISDN card
has
an exclamation mark. On startup, the ISDN card's drivers complain about
not
having resources assigned.
But when I go into the card's properties in device manager, there is
*no*
resources tab. My plan was to assign resources manually (so they
wouldn't
conflict with the sound card) and reenable the sound card. But this
doesn't
seem to work, not having any way to assign resources. What's the secret
of
the missing resources tab? How can I get it back? Googling doesn't give
me
anything useful for "missing resources tab".

Any help appreciated. TIA
Alex