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  #101  
Old September 5th 08, 02:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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Wanna bet?

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"~BD~" wrote in message
...
SNIP
Here is simple explanatory site which even 'wise Guy' should be able to
comprehend:-

SNIP


  #102  
Old September 5th 08, 03:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Buffalo
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Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Again, and your response supports my contention, it was the "Greatest
Generation" that created the excesses of consumerism and capitalism,
which led to the Me Generation and its off-spring of today. Your
selective memory seems to not recall the excessive consumerism of the
fifties, of that very same "Greatest Generation" you so revere. It
was certainly NOT the "hippies" who created this society that you so
roundly reject, but rather, just the opposite. It was backlash
against the consumerism of the Greatest Generation that created the
Hippies, who still live and are perhaps among the most moral and
honest, not to mention polite, Generation of this century.

FYI, the "hippies" still exist, and they're some of the most giving,
most polite and most generous of our sub-cultures. I know, I was one,
still am inside, and I've lived around them all my life. And some of
the greatest members of your own in-between generation, the
Bohemians, but also the same people who built NASA and developed
computers, some of their best, were the ones who created the Hippie
movement.

No, what is caused the "breakdown" you're whining about is the natural
response against "polite" and "respectful" hypocrites who, just like
Kennedy and astronauts and their kin, were part of the "Greatest
Generation". Only what they got out of it was the meanest, crassest
form of Capitalism yet, and it is THAT mean, crass, unfettered and
mostly Republican-led deregulated capitalism that has led to today's
societal despicable mores. Their counter-parts, the "Politically
Correct" pseudo-Hipppies, just as capitalistic and just as lacking in
true manners, have taken things to extremes, also, and the backlash
is just as much against them.

But there's hope. A lot of today's children and are out there on the
front lines, working to bring self-respect back to our society, and
self-respect is the only path toward respect for others.


Wow, a Hippie!! The above is very well written and an interesting
perspective about the country.
Well done.


  #103  
Old September 5th 08, 03:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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)) No Sir!

........ although you may have noted that he did not embark (no pun intended!) on an argument to
change the rules within the International Maritime Organization (IMO) which was raised earlier in
this group!

Dave

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"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ...
Wanna bet?

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MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"~BD~" wrote in message ...
SNIP
Here is simple explanatory site which even 'wise Guy' should be able to comprehend:-

SNIP




  #104  
Old September 5th 08, 07:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co.
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Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Again, and your response supports my contention, it was the "Greatest
Generation" that created the excesses of consumerism and capitalism, which
led to the Me Generation and its off-spring of today. Your selective
memory
seems to not recall the excessive consumerism of the fifties, of that very
same "Greatest Generation" you so revere. It was certainly NOT the
"hippies"
who created this society that you so roundly reject, but rather, just the
opposite. It was backlash against the consumerism of the Greatest
Generation
that created the Hippies, who still live and are perhaps among the most
moral and honest, not to mention polite, Generation of this century.

FYI, the "hippies" still exist, and they're some of the most giving, most
polite and most generous of our sub-cultures. I know, I was one, still am
inside, and I've lived around them all my life. And some of the greatest
members of your own in-between generation, the Bohemians, but also the
same
people who built NASA and developed computers, some of their best, were
the
ones who created the Hippie movement.

No, what is caused the "breakdown" you're whining about is the natural
response against "polite" and "respectful" hypocrites who, just like
Kennedy
and astronauts and their kin, were part of the "Greatest Generation". Only
what they got out of it was the meanest, crassest form of Capitalism yet,
and it is THAT mean, crass, unfettered and mostly Republican-led
deregulated
capitalism that has led to today's societal despicable mores. Their
counter-parts, the "Politically Correct" pseudo-Hipppies, just as
capitalistic and just as lacking in true manners, have taken things to
extremes, also, and the backlash is just as much against them.

But there's hope. A lot of today's children and are out there on the front
lines, working to bring self-respect back to our society, and self-respect
is the only path toward respect for others.


There MAY be hope, if Obama gets elected. But even so, I wouldn't bank on
it.
The societal problem is just too systemic today, with so many just blaming
each other for their own lack of personal responsibility and accountability
(and using lawyers to "solve" every instance of any problem).

Gotta keep our "priorities" straight, don't ya know? (snort). How many TWO
parent homes do we have today? What about the loss of neighborhoods ("it
takes a village")? Why are prisons being built faster than schools,
today? And what about the days when a handshake was all that was needed,
and, one's word was one bond? Alas, they are pretty much Gone With The
Wind..... Distant memories off the horizon.


--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
No, it was the hippies. Sorry, I wasn't part and parcel of that
"movement", and my values echo those of my parents, brought up during the
Great Depression, not the Boomer set. I served during the Vietnam War,
while they were getting high on acid.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Ummm.... It was the Greatest Generation that created the society that
you
so
demonize.

Blame Frankenstein, not the monster.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Maybe you ought to read "The Greatest Generation", and get back to me
on
that. If you think personal values, and one's sense of personal
responsibility
and accountability, haven't changed much since then, then ....

Angel wrote:
No, it wasn't.

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Apparently my attempt at sarcasm was too subtle. :-)

Angel wrote:
Bill in Co.

Correction: Note below YOUR comment.

Angel

"Angel" wrote in message
...
Note Below
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Angel wrote:
Buffalo,

Maybe (98 Guy) knows more about computers, I am learning more
about
them every day. He seems to know NOTHING about Scruples, Morals
and Integrity, or he just doesn't care about what the difference
is
between right and wrong.
This subject has nothing to do with computer knowledge. This
concerns
the difference between right and wrong, scruples, morality and
integrity,
nothing else.
Angel

"scruples, morality and integrity"??? Wrong era and wrong
generation for that! You old fogie, you!!!!

All I have to say about your comment is: Do, Write and Say unto
others
AS you would want them to Do, Write and Say to you. It would be a
better
world if everyone believed and did this. Scruples, morality and
integrity has
NEVER been connected with era or generation. It has never gone out
of
style.
Of course, there is nothing that would change your mind if you had
your mind
set on "wrong era and wrong generation" no matter what. Anyway, you
do
not know what generation I am from, this may give you a hint: I go
to
University
classes. Right now, I am taking Philosophy classes. Maybe you
should
be going to those classes.

Angel

"Buffalo" wrote in message
. ..


Bill in Co. wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Angel wrote:
Thanks Dan,

You have just asked "98 Guy" the same question I was going to
ask.
He checked ONLY 1/3rd of the downloaded Pirated Win98SE? he
he is in for a great surprise!! Of course, he is a "know it
all" and
no matter what. In his own opinion, he is never wrong no
matter
what! He is just a Troll! looking for someone to pick on.

Angel

And who might you just be??

She is Angel.

Well, Duh? I think he (98 Guy) knows a hell of a lot more
about Win98 and computers than Angel.



  #105  
Old September 6th 08, 02:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Buffalo
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Bill in Co. wrote:

There MAY be hope, if Obama gets elected. But even so, I wouldn't
bank on it.
The societal problem is just too systemic today, with so many just
blaming each other for their own lack of personal responsibility and
accountability (and using lawyers to "solve" every instance of any
problem).


If some city in the USA got nuked, the phone lines would be totally tied up.
Why? Because of all the people calling their lawyers.
If the Republicans and Democrats spent even 1/2 as much time doing something
to improve the USA as they do fighting each other, we would be much better
off.


Gotta keep our "priorities" straight, don't ya know? (snort). How
many TWO parent homes do we have today? What about the loss of
neighborhoods ("it takes a village")? Why are prisons being built
faster than schools, today? And what about the days when a
handshake was all that was needed, and, one's word was one bond?
Alas, they are pretty much Gone With The Wind..... Distant
memories off the horizon.


It's called ignorance, capitalism, greed and most importantly, I am the most
important thing in this world.


  #106  
Old September 6th 08, 02:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Bill in Co.
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Buffalo wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:

There MAY be hope, if Obama gets elected. But even so, I wouldn't
bank on it.
The societal problem is just too systemic today, with so many just
blaming each other for their own lack of personal responsibility and
accountability (and using lawyers to "solve" every instance of any
problem).


If some city in the USA got nuked, the phone lines would be totally tied
up.
Why? Because of all the people calling their lawyers.
If the Republicans and Democrats spent even 1/2 as much time doing
something
to improve the USA as they do fighting each other, we would be much better
off.


Gotta keep our "priorities" straight, don't ya know? (snort). How
many TWO parent homes do we have today? What about the loss of
neighborhoods ("it takes a village")? Why are prisons being built
faster than schools, today? And what about the days when a
handshake was all that was needed, and, one's word was one's bond?
Alas, they are pretty much ... Gone With The Wind.... Distant
memories, now gone off the horizon.


It's called ignorance, capitalism, greed and most importantly, I am the
most
important thing in this world.


Yup. That's just about where we are are now, and, like a few in "Tuck
Everlasting", I'm kinda glad my lifetime here is limited.


  #107  
Old September 8th 08, 02:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Dan
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Thanks Dave for the correction.

"~BD~" wrote:

Glen is 100% correct, Dan

Here is simple explanatory site which even 'wise Guy' should be able to comprehend:-
http://www.topmarks.co.uk/judaism/co...s/tencomms.htm

Note number 8!

Dave

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"Dan" wrote in message
...
hmm, sure it wasn't 9 Glen, grin

"glee" wrote:

#8.
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http://dts-l.net/

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  #108  
Old September 8th 08, 11:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
~BD~[_2_]
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"Dan" wrote in message
...
Thanks Dave for the correction.


This was meant to be light-hearted, albeit with serious undertones (for 98 Guy anyway!)

Maybe you can help me. I posted a message in the Microsoft security group earlier this morning in
'your' Source Code thread. When I checked just now (using Outlook Express) the message header had a
line scored through it and in the message box it said the message is no longer available on the
server.

Have you ever seen this happen before? Any idea why it might happen?

It is, however, still showing on Google Groups. I repeat it he-

(It was in response to FromTheRafters who said ....... )

"The transmission is textual - the protocol has no issues I am
aware of. Any security risk would probably be in the extensions
that allow this textual data to 'contain' malware - similar to the
e-mail protocols".

*

*


Hmmm! stroking chin!

What about when 'pictures' or photographs are included (including screenshots) - there's a term for
that which escapes me right now! In other words, not in 'plain text'.


I once received a 'screenshot' as an email attachment (I'd asked for it to be sent to me). I opened
the 'picture' (jpeg I think) and all seemed fine.


I then opened the file with Notepad (I do crazy things like that!). Wow! Inside that file, above
all the 'gobbledegook' one might expect, were *live* links to all manner of web pages ,,,,,,,, of
course I went and looked! grin


During my experimentation over the years, I've seen lots of SPAM (advertising the likes of Viagra
and Jewelry) - every one of those links shown in Notepad was, I'm certain, taking me to a SPAM site!


I''ve been told that is impossible ........... yet I saw it with my own eyes! So there!


Any thoughts?


Dave


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  #109  
Old September 8th 08, 04:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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All kinds of stuff gets immediately rejected or filtered out soon after it
gets posts to the MS server. There is generally no rhyme no reason for it.
Fact is, nobody is in charge of the MS news servers. What there *is* is an
ad hoc group of people with differing and sometimes ridiculous ideas about
how to block SPAM and "objectionable" material, whatever they decide that
is.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"~BD~" wrote in message
...

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Thanks Dave for the correction.


This was meant to be light-hearted, albeit with serious undertones
(for 98 Guy anyway!)

Maybe you can help me. I posted a message in the Microsoft security group
earlier this morning in 'your' Source Code thread. When I checked just now
(using Outlook Express) the message header had a line scored through it
and in the message box it said the message is no longer available on the
server.

Have you ever seen this happen before? Any idea why it might happen?

It is, however, still showing on Google Groups. I repeat it he-

(It was in response to FromTheRafters who said ....... )

"The transmission is textual - the protocol has no issues I am
aware of. Any security risk would probably be in the extensions
that allow this textual data to 'contain' malware - similar to the
e-mail protocols".

*

*


Hmmm! stroking chin!

What about when 'pictures' or photographs are included (including
screenshots) - there's a term for
that which escapes me right now! In other words, not in 'plain text'.


I once received a 'screenshot' as an email attachment (I'd asked for it to
be sent to me). I opened
the 'picture' (jpeg I think) and all seemed fine.


I then opened the file with Notepad (I do crazy things like that!). Wow!
Inside that file, above
all the 'gobbledegook' one might expect, were *live* links to all manner
of web pages ,,,,,,,, of
course I went and looked! grin


During my experimentation over the years, I've seen lots of SPAM
(advertising the likes of Viagra
and Jewelry) - every one of those links shown in Notepad was, I'm certain,
taking me to a SPAM site!


I''ve been told that is impossible ........... yet I saw it with my own
eyes! So there!


Any thoughts?


Dave


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  #110  
Old September 8th 08, 05:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
~BD~[_2_]
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"~BD~" wrote in message
...

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Thanks Dave for the correction.


This was meant to be light-hearted, albeit with serious undertones (for 98 Guy anyway!)

Maybe you can help me. I posted a message in the Microsoft security group earlier this morning in
'your' Source Code thread. When I checked just now (using Outlook Express) the message header had
a line scored through it and in the message box it said the message is no longer available on the
server.

Have you ever seen this happen before? Any idea why it might happen?

It is, however, still showing on Google Groups. I repeat it he-

(It was in response to FromTheRafters who said ....... )

"The transmission is textual - the protocol has no issues I am
aware of. Any security risk would probably be in the extensions
that allow this textual data to 'contain' malware - similar to the
e-mail protocols".

*

*


Hmmm! stroking chin!

What about when 'pictures' or photographs are included (including screenshots) - there's a term
for
that which escapes me right now! In other words, not in 'plain text'.


I once received a 'screenshot' as an email attachment (I'd asked for it to be sent to me). I
opened
the 'picture' (jpeg I think) and all seemed fine.


I then opened the file with Notepad (I do crazy things like that!). Wow! Inside that file, above
all the 'gobbledegook' one might expect, were *live* links to all manner of web pages ,,,,,,,, of
course I went and looked! grin


During my experimentation over the years, I've seen lots of SPAM (advertising the likes of Viagra
and Jewelry) - every one of those links shown in Notepad was, I'm certain, taking me to a SPAM
site!


I''ve been told that is impossible ........... yet I saw it with my own eyes! So there!


Any thoughts?


Dave


--



"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ...
All kinds of stuff gets immediately rejected or filtered out soon after it gets posts to the MS
server. There is generally no rhyme no reason for it. Fact is, nobody is in charge of the MS news
servers. What there *is* is an ad hoc group of people with differing and sometimes ridiculous
ideas about how to block SPAM and "objectionable" material, whatever they decide that is.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com



Gary - thanks for taking the time and trouble to respond. I've come to respect your expertise and
attitude. Thanks.

It took me a fair while to appreciate that the MS news servers were divorced from Microsoft itself
and that there is no moderation here, in general terms anyway. I'm quite certain that a very high
percentage of folk visiting the groups do so out of desperation - I know I did! I must have been
using Outlook Express for about 8 years before I became aware that it could be used for
participating in newsgroups in addition to use for email! Doh!

I have, though, always assumed that Microsoft funds the cost of running the servers. Can you confirm
that that is so? I did once question why there are two active servers - news.microsoft.com AND
msnews.microsoft.com. A historical 'quirk' I believe I was told.

I'm uncertain if you read right through my post. Have you any understanding of *how* live links to
web sites could be 'hidden' within a jpeg file? I'm happy for you to email me if you would prefer so
to do. Just let me know here and I'll give you my address. TIA

In the meantime, I'll try posting my message to FTR again and see what happens this time!

Dave

Dave

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