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  #1  
Old June 10th 04, 08:09 PM
Lago Jardin
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Default Large Hard Drive & BIOS upgrade problems

Hi

Some of u may remember my posting before about this subject.

My Boot drive is 60G and my old BIOS saw that OK and Fdisk partitioned it OK
some time ago.

For extra storage. I bought a Seagate 120G drive and my then present BIOS
would not see more than 32,248M of the new drive. I then used Seagate's DDO
which worked OK for a few days and it did enable me to format and use the
whole drive. However, after a while, new, large, garbled, phantom folders
began appearing. They could not be deleted. It was not possible to use
either scandisk or defrag on the drive because of the DDO.

I decided to remove the DDO with Seagate tools and go for a BIOS flash
upgrade. I went to www.E-support.com and a link on their website tested my
old BIOS and said that an upgrade was available which would support up to
512G drives. It was specifically designed for my motherboard. It cost about
£14.

The flash was sent in an email with full instructions and was very easy.
Unfortunately, the new BIOS still only showed the same disk drive space as
the old one. Even using Fdisk (the one in ME which supports larger drives),
it could only see and partition 32,248M of the new drive (100% used as
primary dos partition).

E-support have tried to help, via many emails, with this problem. They argue
that I must be doing something wrong because the new BIOS sees the full 60G
of my Boot drive (as did my old BIOS) and therefore it cannot be faulty.

All cables are connected correctly. The new drive is set as secondary
master. The jumpers are all correct on all devices. There is no limit jumper
on the new drive.

I have even disconnected all other drives/CD/DVD and tried the new drive as
Primary Master but the BIOS still only sees 32,248M.

I have read every Microsoft article about large drives in ME but this cannot
be a Windows issue anyway, can it?

I have the newest chipset drives from my motherboard manufacturer. My IDE
controller should support large drives.

Why can my old and new BIOS see the full extent of a 60G drive but only
32,248M of a 120G drive. E-support say this is impossible. They say it must
see 60G in both and should see all of the 120G drive. I can only say that
they have tried very hard to resolve this.

I don't want to return my new BIOS flash and get a refund because im just
back where I started.

Any ideas please so that I can pass them to E-support.



Thanks a lot

Nigel

Motherboard Mercury (Kobian) KOB 845 NFSX)
Chipset Intel 1A30 rev 3
120 GIG Seagate drive (model ST3120022A)
Microsoft Windows ME Version: 4.90.3000
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500 Mhz
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  #2  
Old June 10th 04, 08:19 PM
Lago Jardin
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Default Large Hard Drive & BIOS upgrade problems

Sorry the link to esupport is incorrect in my previous post.

It should have been http://www.esupport.com/


Sorry

Nigel



"Lago Jardin" wrote in message
. ..
Hi

Some of u may remember my posting before about this subject.

My Boot drive is 60G and my old BIOS saw that OK and Fdisk partitioned it

OK
some time ago.

For extra storage. I bought a Seagate 120G drive and my then present BIOS
would not see more than 32,248M of the new drive. I then used Seagate's

DDO
which worked OK for a few days and it did enable me to format and use the
whole drive. However, after a while, new, large, garbled, phantom folders
began appearing. They could not be deleted. It was not possible to use
either scandisk or defrag on the drive because of the DDO.

I decided to remove the DDO with Seagate tools and go for a BIOS flash
upgrade. I went to www.E-support.com and a link on their website tested my
old BIOS and said that an upgrade was available which would support up to
512G drives. It was specifically designed for my motherboard. It cost

about
£14.

The flash was sent in an email with full instructions and was very easy.
Unfortunately, the new BIOS still only showed the same disk drive space as
the old one. Even using Fdisk (the one in ME which supports larger

drives),
it could only see and partition 32,248M of the new drive (100% used as
primary dos partition).

E-support have tried to help, via many emails, with this problem. They

argue
that I must be doing something wrong because the new BIOS sees the full

60G
of my Boot drive (as did my old BIOS) and therefore it cannot be faulty.

All cables are connected correctly. The new drive is set as secondary
master. The jumpers are all correct on all devices. There is no limit

jumper
on the new drive.

I have even disconnected all other drives/CD/DVD and tried the new drive

as
Primary Master but the BIOS still only sees 32,248M.

I have read every Microsoft article about large drives in ME but this

cannot
be a Windows issue anyway, can it?

I have the newest chipset drives from my motherboard manufacturer. My IDE
controller should support large drives.

Why can my old and new BIOS see the full extent of a 60G drive but only
32,248M of a 120G drive. E-support say this is impossible. They say it

must
see 60G in both and should see all of the 120G drive. I can only say that
they have tried very hard to resolve this.

I don't want to return my new BIOS flash and get a refund because im just
back where I started.

Any ideas please so that I can pass them to E-support.



Thanks a lot

Nigel

Motherboard Mercury (Kobian) KOB 845 NFSX)
Chipset Intel 1A30 rev 3
120 GIG Seagate drive (model ST3120022A)
Microsoft Windows ME Version: 4.90.3000
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500 Mhz
Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
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  #3  
Old June 10th 04, 08:35 PM
Mike M
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Default Large Hard Drive & BIOS upgrade problems

Nigel,

I have even disconnected all other drives/CD/DVD and tried the new drive
as Primary Master but the BIOS still only sees 32,248M.


This is probably much better posted to a newsgroup supporting your motherboard
as your problem has nothing to do with the operating system. The operating
system can only see whatever the bios sees and your post stated that even
after flashing the bios still only sees 32,248M.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Lago Jardin wrote:

Hi

Some of u may remember my posting before about this subject.

My Boot drive is 60G and my old BIOS saw that OK and Fdisk partitioned it
OK some time ago.

For extra storage. I bought a Seagate 120G drive and my then present BIOS
would not see more than 32,248M of the new drive. I then used Seagate's
DDO which worked OK for a few days and it did enable me to format and use
the whole drive. However, after a while, new, large, garbled, phantom
folders began appearing. They could not be deleted. It was not possible
to use either scandisk or defrag on the drive because of the DDO.

I decided to remove the DDO with Seagate tools and go for a BIOS flash
upgrade. I went to
www.E-support.com and a link on their website tested my
old BIOS and said that an upgrade was available which would support up to
512G drives. It was specifically designed for my motherboard. It cost
about £14.

The flash was sent in an email with full instructions and was very easy.
Unfortunately, the new BIOS still only showed the same disk drive space as
the old one. Even using Fdisk (the one in ME which supports larger
drives), it could only see and partition 32,248M of the new drive (100%
used as primary dos partition).

E-support have tried to help, via many emails, with this problem. They
argue that I must be doing something wrong because the new BIOS sees the
full 60G of my Boot drive (as did my old BIOS) and therefore it cannot
be faulty.

All cables are connected correctly. The new drive is set as secondary
master. The jumpers are all correct on all devices. There is no limit
jumper on the new drive.

I have even disconnected all other drives/CD/DVD and tried the new drive
as Primary Master but the BIOS still only sees 32,248M.

I have read every Microsoft article about large drives in ME but this
cannot be a Windows issue anyway, can it?

I have the newest chipset drives from my motherboard manufacturer. My IDE
controller should support large drives.

Why can my old and new BIOS see the full extent of a 60G drive but only
32,248M of a 120G drive. E-support say this is impossible. They say it
must see 60G in both and should see all of the 120G drive. I can only say
that they have tried very hard to resolve this.

I don't want to return my new BIOS flash and get a refund because im just
back where I started.

Any ideas please so that I can pass them to E-support.



Thanks a lot

Nigel

Motherboard Mercury (Kobian) KOB 845 NFSX)
Chipset Intel 1A30 rev 3
120 GIG Seagate drive (model ST3120022A)
Microsoft Windows ME Version: 4.90.3000
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500 Mhz
Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
(Release 5.0) AwardBIOS Upgrade Provided by eSupport.com




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Old June 10th 04, 08:36 PM
Rick T
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Default Large Hard Drive & BIOS upgrade problems

Hi Lago

I remember your original post; the latest bios i could find was version
1.0f which I don't think is too far removed from the original
(www.treiber.de).


Do you have a friend with a large drive that doesn't mind lending it to
you long enough to see if your BIOS can see it? Or if it's local,
perhaps the store you purchased it from can give you a trade-in or lend
you one just to see.


Rick


Lago Jardin wrote:
Sorry the link to esupport is incorrect in my previous post.

It should have been http://www.esupport.com/


Sorry

Nigel



"Lago Jardin" wrote in message
. ..

Hi

Some of u may remember my posting before about this subject.

My Boot drive is 60G and my old BIOS saw that OK and Fdisk partitioned it


OK

some time ago.

For extra storage. I bought a Seagate 120G drive and my then present BIOS
would not see more than 32,248M of the new drive. I then used Seagate's


DDO

which worked OK for a few days and it did enable me to format and use the
whole drive. However, after a while, new, large, garbled, phantom folders
began appearing. They could not be deleted. It was not possible to use
either scandisk or defrag on the drive because of the DDO.

I decided to remove the DDO with Seagate tools and go for a BIOS flash
upgrade. I went to www.E-support.com and a link on their website tested my
old BIOS and said that an upgrade was available which would support up to
512G drives. It was specifically designed for my motherboard. It cost


about

£14.

The flash was sent in an email with full instructions and was very easy.
Unfortunately, the new BIOS still only showed the same disk drive space as
the old one. Even using Fdisk (the one in ME which supports larger


drives),

it could only see and partition 32,248M of the new drive (100% used as
primary dos partition).

E-support have tried to help, via many emails, with this problem. They


argue

that I must be doing something wrong because the new BIOS sees the full


60G

of my Boot drive (as did my old BIOS) and therefore it cannot be faulty.

All cables are connected correctly. The new drive is set as secondary
master. The jumpers are all correct on all devices. There is no limit


jumper

on the new drive.

I have even disconnected all other drives/CD/DVD and tried the new drive


as

Primary Master but the BIOS still only sees 32,248M.

I have read every Microsoft article about large drives in ME but this


cannot

be a Windows issue anyway, can it?

I have the newest chipset drives from my motherboard manufacturer. My IDE
controller should support large drives.

Why can my old and new BIOS see the full extent of a 60G drive but only
32,248M of a 120G drive. E-support say this is impossible. They say it


must

see 60G in both and should see all of the 120G drive. I can only say that
they have tried very hard to resolve this.

I don't want to return my new BIOS flash and get a refund because im just
back where I started.

Any ideas please so that I can pass them to E-support.



Thanks a lot

Nigel

Motherboard Mercury (Kobian) KOB 845 NFSX)
Chipset Intel 1A30 rev 3
120 GIG Seagate drive (model ST3120022A)
Microsoft Windows ME Version: 4.90.3000
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500 Mhz
Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
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  #5  
Old June 10th 04, 08:48 PM
Lago Jardin
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Default Large Hard Drive & BIOS upgrade problems

Hi Rick

Yer its a good idea. I will work on it. It would be no problem if I was back
in Leeds in the UK but im near Alicante Spain.

I help people a lot here with their computers but usually they have oldish
ones with nothing above 40GIG or they buy a new notebook version.

But if I can think of someone ...its definitely worth a try.

Thanks

Nigel

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
Hi Lago

I remember your original post; the latest bios i could find was version
1.0f which I don't think is too far removed from the original
(www.treiber.de).


Do you have a friend with a large drive that doesn't mind lending it to
you long enough to see if your BIOS can see it? Or if it's local,
perhaps the store you purchased it from can give you a trade-in or lend
you one just to see.


Rick


Lago Jardin wrote:
Sorry the link to esupport is incorrect in my previous post.

It should have been http://www.esupport.com/


Sorry

Nigel



"Lago Jardin" wrote in message
. ..

Hi

Some of u may remember my posting before about this subject.

My Boot drive is 60G and my old BIOS saw that OK and Fdisk partitioned

it

OK

some time ago.

For extra storage. I bought a Seagate 120G drive and my then present

BIOS
would not see more than 32,248M of the new drive. I then used Seagate's


DDO

which worked OK for a few days and it did enable me to format and use

the
whole drive. However, after a while, new, large, garbled, phantom

folders
began appearing. They could not be deleted. It was not possible to use
either scandisk or defrag on the drive because of the DDO.

I decided to remove the DDO with Seagate tools and go for a BIOS flash
upgrade. I went to www.E-support.com and a link on their website tested

my
old BIOS and said that an upgrade was available which would support up

to
512G drives. It was specifically designed for my motherboard. It cost


about

£14.

The flash was sent in an email with full instructions and was very easy.
Unfortunately, the new BIOS still only showed the same disk drive space

as
the old one. Even using Fdisk (the one in ME which supports larger


drives),

it could only see and partition 32,248M of the new drive (100% used as
primary dos partition).

E-support have tried to help, via many emails, with this problem. They


argue

that I must be doing something wrong because the new BIOS sees the full


60G

of my Boot drive (as did my old BIOS) and therefore it cannot be

faulty.

All cables are connected correctly. The new drive is set as secondary
master. The jumpers are all correct on all devices. There is no limit


jumper

on the new drive.

I have even disconnected all other drives/CD/DVD and tried the new drive


as

Primary Master but the BIOS still only sees 32,248M.

I have read every Microsoft article about large drives in ME but this


cannot

be a Windows issue anyway, can it?

I have the newest chipset drives from my motherboard manufacturer. My

IDE
controller should support large drives.

Why can my old and new BIOS see the full extent of a 60G drive but only
32,248M of a 120G drive. E-support say this is impossible. They say it


must

see 60G in both and should see all of the 120G drive. I can only say

that
they have tried very hard to resolve this.

I don't want to return my new BIOS flash and get a refund because im

just
back where I started.

Any ideas please so that I can pass them to E-support.



Thanks a lot

Nigel

Motherboard Mercury (Kobian) KOB 845 NFSX)
Chipset Intel 1A30 rev 3
120 GIG Seagate drive (model ST3120022A)
Microsoft Windows ME Version: 4.90.3000
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500 Mhz
Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
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  #6  
Old June 10th 04, 08:54 PM
Lago Jardin
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Default Large Hard Drive & BIOS upgrade problems

Mike

Yes...ur right really. Half way thru typing it I thought I was getting "off
topic"
Its not a Windows issue at all. I guess I was getting desperate!!

Sorry and I will look for a more suitable n/g and get desperate there.

Nigel


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Nigel,

I have even disconnected all other drives/CD/DVD and tried the new drive
as Primary Master but the BIOS still only sees 32,248M.


This is probably much better posted to a newsgroup supporting your

motherboard
as your problem has nothing to do with the operating system. The

operating
system can only see whatever the bios sees and your post stated that even
after flashing the bios still only sees 32,248M.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP




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  #7  
Old June 10th 04, 09:10 PM
Mike M
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Default Large Hard Drive & BIOS upgrade problems

Nigel,

I wasn't trying to say don't post here, just that you might fare better by
posting to a NG supporting your mobo as well as this. As to the problem, I'm
sorry I haven't a clue. I've been in the same position myself. Moved an 80GB
hard disk from one system to another, both using the same motherboard and
suddenly couldn't see the hard disk at all. Tore out what little remained of
my hair, kicked the cat because of the data I'd lost only the next day to
realise that the motherboards had different versions of the bios. Updating
the bios on the second mobo to match the first solved the problem. Sadly
though this doesn't seem to have worked for yourself. I'd be interested in
hearing what the answer is once you've found it.

Ideas. None really but you might want to try removing the mobo battery and/or
clearing CMOS just in case it clears something. You might even want to try
flashing the bios again in case the initial flash was bad in some way.

Best of luck,
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Lago Jardin wrote:

Mike

Yes...ur right really. Half way thru typing it I thought I was getting
"off topic"
Its not a Windows issue at all. I guess I was getting desperate!!

Sorry and I will look for a more suitable n/g and get desperate there.



  #8  
Old June 11th 04, 12:54 AM
Lago Jardin
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Default Large Hard Drive & BIOS upgrade problems

Thanks Mike

I will do that in the morning...ive just come in from having a "pint"
I can certainly remove the CMOS jumper and remove the battery.
Im also going to email Mercury (Kobian) since they have given all rights to
esupport for award BIOS upgrades. Dont know if i will get a reply tho. I
just hate problems that I cant solve. I have not yet found a suitable n/g.
but i really thank you for your advice. I will post here if/when I solve my
problem.

I wish I understood a little more about the BIOS and how it relates to the
motherboard/chipset...but i guess that gets very techy.....im getting well
off topic again!!!

Thanks again

Nigel

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Nigel,

I wasn't trying to say don't post here, just that you might fare better by
posting to a NG supporting your mobo as well as this. As to the problem,

I'm
sorry I haven't a clue. I've been in the same position myself. Moved an

80GB
hard disk from one system to another, both using the same motherboard and
suddenly couldn't see the hard disk at all. Tore out what little remained

of
my hair, kicked the cat because of the data I'd lost only the next day to
realise that the motherboards had different versions of the bios.

Updating
the bios on the second mobo to match the first solved the problem. Sadly
though this doesn't seem to have worked for yourself. I'd be interested

in
hearing what the answer is once you've found it.

Ideas. None really but you might want to try removing the mobo battery

and/or
clearing CMOS just in case it clears something. You might even want to

try
flashing the bios again in case the initial flash was bad in some way.

Best of luck,
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Lago Jardin wrote:

Mike

Yes...ur right really. Half way thru typing it I thought I was getting
"off topic"
Its not a Windows issue at all. I guess I was getting desperate!!

Sorry and I will look for a more suitable n/g and get desperate there.





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  #9  
Old June 11th 04, 07:52 AM
Rick T
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Default Large Hard Drive & BIOS upgrade problems

I can't think of anything that would cause that ... a virus wouldn't be
able to trash the system/HD drive BIOSes (which is where that stuff
would be) so it sounds like a MB or HD hardware fault of some sort.



Rick

Lago Jardin wrote:
Hi Rick

Yer its a good idea. I will work on it. It would be no problem if I was back
in Leeds in the UK but im near Alicante Spain.

I help people a lot here with their computers but usually they have oldish
ones with nothing above 40GIG or they buy a new notebook version.

But if I can think of someone ...its definitely worth a try.

Thanks

Nigel

"Rick T" wrote in message
...

Hi Lago

I remember your original post; the latest bios i could find was version
1.0f which I don't think is too far removed from the original
(www.treiber.de).


Do you have a friend with a large drive that doesn't mind lending it to
you long enough to see if your BIOS can see it? Or if it's local,
perhaps the store you purchased it from can give you a trade-in or lend
you one just to see.


Rick


Lago Jardin wrote:

Sorry the link to esupport is incorrect in my previous post.

It should have been http://www.esupport.com/


Sorry

Nigel



"Lago Jardin" wrote in message
. es...


Hi

Some of u may remember my posting before about this subject.

My Boot drive is 60G and my old BIOS saw that OK and Fdisk partitioned


it

OK


some time ago.

For extra storage. I bought a Seagate 120G drive and my then present


BIOS

would not see more than 32,248M of the new drive. I then used Seagate's

DDO


which worked OK for a few days and it did enable me to format and use


the

whole drive. However, after a while, new, large, garbled, phantom


folders

began appearing. They could not be deleted. It was not possible to use
either scandisk or defrag on the drive because of the DDO.

I decided to remove the DDO with Seagate tools and go for a BIOS flash
upgrade. I went to www.E-support.com and a link on their website tested


my

old BIOS and said that an upgrade was available which would support up


to

512G drives. It was specifically designed for my motherboard. It cost

about


£14.

The flash was sent in an email with full instructions and was very easy.
Unfortunately, the new BIOS still only showed the same disk drive space


as

the old one. Even using Fdisk (the one in ME which supports larger

drives),


it could only see and partition 32,248M of the new drive (100% used as
primary dos partition).

E-support have tried to help, via many emails, with this problem. They

argue


that I must be doing something wrong because the new BIOS sees the full

60G


of my Boot drive (as did my old BIOS) and therefore it cannot be


faulty.

All cables are connected correctly. The new drive is set as secondary
master. The jumpers are all correct on all devices. There is no limit

jumper


on the new drive.

I have even disconnected all other drives/CD/DVD and tried the new drive

as


Primary Master but the BIOS still only sees 32,248M.

I have read every Microsoft article about large drives in ME but this

cannot


be a Windows issue anyway, can it?

I have the newest chipset drives from my motherboard manufacturer. My


IDE

controller should support large drives.

Why can my old and new BIOS see the full extent of a 60G drive but only
32,248M of a 120G drive. E-support say this is impossible. They say it

must


see 60G in both and should see all of the 120G drive. I can only say


that

they have tried very hard to resolve this.

I don't want to return my new BIOS flash and get a refund because im


just

back where I started.

Any ideas please so that I can pass them to E-support.



Thanks a lot

Nigel

Motherboard Mercury (Kobian) KOB 845 NFSX)
Chipset Intel 1A30 rev 3
120 GIG Seagate drive (model ST3120022A)
Microsoft Windows ME Version: 4.90.3000
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500 Mhz
Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
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Old June 11th 04, 08:58 AM
Crazy Aizy
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Default Large Hard Drive & BIOS upgrade problems


"Lago Jardin" wrote in message
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I have not yet found a suitable n/g.


Have you tried these?
alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
uk.comp.homebuilt


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