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  #41  
Old April 6th 08, 02:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Posts: 60
Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Mike M wrote:
As of now, I am unable to remove 4 IDE drive controllers
from the Dev. Manager.


Don't worry leave these.

I will read your further instructions as to what to do in
Registry, in more detail. I don't mind going there, but I have
to understand what to change once I'm there.


My earlier post went into precise detail. I have nothing to add.

gives no other option. My CD drive is not shown as an option,
so until we 'reinstall' that drive,


If you are looking Safe Mode then this is perfectly normal. This being
one of the reasons it's called Safe Mode.

in Safe Mode, it tells me to Restart, and I click to restart,
and it always hangs there, in MSGRV52(Not Responding),


Oh dear, you have some hardware that is hanging Dev.Man on the reboot.
(BTW msgsrv32 not 52). Msgsrv32 is waiting for a reply from some none
functioning component. Msgsrv32 is simply the messenger, the problem
nearly always lies elsewhere and that's your hardware which is why it is
ESSENTIAL to have NOTHING connected other than the bare minimum (which
has been said before). Strip the box back so that al that is connected
to the motherboard is your hard drive, video card (possibly built-in),
keyboard and mouse. Then try again. Once you have Win Me booting in
Normal Mode to the desktop you can start adding back bits.

See MS KB Q138708 - "Function of the Windows 32-Bit Message Server"
(http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=138708).

Mike, you've been very patient and logical and specific.
I had it stripped so that there was nothing I added to the
OEM machine, and nothing was connected other than the bare-bones
essentials... KB, Mouse, monitor, and whatever video card HP
supplied inside the enclosure, which obviously I cannot remove.
As I said, I followed your instructions, and Registry points
to the right file....on the C-drive....and presumably it's been there
since 1998 except that it must be there in name only, empty, or
corrupted. I just cannot boot to Normal Mode.

I'm going to try an entirely different approach. I have
another drive which I will try to wipe clean and install
Win 98 on, and then upgrade to ME. Maybe that will boot
to Normal Mode, and whether it does or not, it may shed
light on this set of happenings. Have a good day, and I
fear that you'll be hearing from me again.
  #42  
Old April 6th 08, 11:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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Posts: 1,190
Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Bill, let's just recap.

You say, that you've stripped all external hardware down to the essential
minimum (keyboard, mouse and monitor) - and cleared as much as you can in
Dev.Man to all that it won't allow you to remove (IDE drive controllers
etc.) in Safe Mode. Now as understand it, WinMe hangs again during the next
Normal Mode startup.

OK. Now have another look in Dev.Man (in Safe Mode again, as it's the only
way in) and like before, report any/all errors, conflicts and multiple
entries. It's remains an iterative process until you identify and 'Remove'
the offending hardware.

Now what really bothers me is that you mentioned " I have not yet pulled the
USB connectors for webcam, and of course I can't pull the monitor USB plug."

Well, pull the webcam of course - BUT USB Monitor?? What's all this about?
USB is not VGA.

Hmm.. Maybe I'm missing something here. I don't know anything about USB
monitors, but I'm pretty certain that you'd need a special driver package to
get that to work in WinMe in Normal Mode. In fact I didn't even know there
was (seemingly) a generic USB driver for Safe Mode I was never aware of any
USB video drivers included in the WinMe package. Anything come with the
monitor?

What does Dev.Man say regarding Display Adaptors and/or Monitors?

However, you did start the original thread with the Subject "New PC, ME with
old BIOS" which I couldn't really make sense of g I can only therefore
conclude that the motherboard supports USB video. Are you sure that it is
WinMe compatible?

What was the original OS on this new PC?

And - if you want to answer - why did you remove the original HDD?

Mart


"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Mike M wrote:
As of now, I am unable to remove 4 IDE drive controllers
from the Dev. Manager.


Don't worry leave these.

I will read your further instructions as to what to do in
Registry, in more detail. I don't mind going there, but I have
to understand what to change once I'm there.


My earlier post went into precise detail. I have nothing to add.

gives no other option. My CD drive is not shown as an option,
so until we 'reinstall' that drive,


If you are looking Safe Mode then this is perfectly normal. This being
one of the reasons it's called Safe Mode.

in Safe Mode, it tells me to Restart, and I click to restart,
and it always hangs there, in MSGRV52(Not Responding),


Oh dear, you have some hardware that is hanging Dev.Man on the reboot.
(BTW msgsrv32 not 52). Msgsrv32 is waiting for a reply from some none
functioning component. Msgsrv32 is simply the messenger, the problem
nearly always lies elsewhere and that's your hardware which is why it is
ESSENTIAL to have NOTHING connected other than the bare minimum (which
has been said before). Strip the box back so that al that is connected
to the motherboard is your hard drive, video card (possibly built-in),
keyboard and mouse. Then try again. Once you have Win Me booting in
Normal Mode to the desktop you can start adding back bits.

See MS KB Q138708 - "Function of the Windows 32-Bit Message Server"
(http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=138708).

Mike, you've been very patient and logical and specific.
I had it stripped so that there was nothing I added to the
OEM machine, and nothing was connected other than the bare-bones
essentials... KB, Mouse, monitor, and whatever video card HP
supplied inside the enclosure, which obviously I cannot remove.
As I said, I followed your instructions, and Registry points
to the right file....on the C-drive....and presumably it's been there
since 1998 except that it must be there in name only, empty, or
corrupted. I just cannot boot to Normal Mode.

I'm going to try an entirely different approach. I have
another drive which I will try to wipe clean and install
Win 98 on, and then upgrade to ME. Maybe that will boot
to Normal Mode, and whether it does or not, it may shed
light on this set of happenings. Have a good day, and I
fear that you'll be hearing from me again.



  #43  
Old April 6th 08, 12:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Posts: 2,047
Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Why complicate matters by first installing Win 98, this isn't necessary.
Even if you have an upgrade copy of Win Me you can still clean install Win
Me, all that is required is to have the Win 98 CD available and insert
when requested during the Win Me install to verify your "right" to be
using an upgrade copy of Win Me.
--
Mike Maltby



William B. Lurie wrote:

Mike, you've been very patient and logical and specific.
I had it stripped so that there was nothing I added to the
OEM machine, and nothing was connected other than the bare-bones
essentials... KB, Mouse, monitor, and whatever video card HP
supplied inside the enclosure, which obviously I cannot remove.
As I said, I followed your instructions, and Registry points
to the right file....on the C-drive....and presumably it's been there
since 1998 except that it must be there in name only, empty, or
corrupted. I just cannot boot to Normal Mode.

I'm going to try an entirely different approach. I have
another drive which I will try to wipe clean and install
Win 98 on, and then upgrade to ME. Maybe that will boot
to Normal Mode, and whether it does or not, it may shed
light on this set of happenings. Have a good day, and I
fear that you'll be hearing from me again.


  #44  
Old April 6th 08, 12:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
William B. Lurie
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Posts: 60
Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Mart, thanks for coming back in.
First let me jump down to the USB question.
That was a memory slip; the monitor is on its
own big multi-connector cable. I've graduated to
where my latest attempts have been with *NO* USB
cables connected. Consider it as having only the
essential cabling; I even unplugged the Ethernet
connector.

In Safe Mode, there are no errors and no conflicts.
There are 4 entries for IDE controllers which I am
unable to delete, and Mike says not to fret. I
didn't answer your query about display adapters
and monitors because I think it was prompted by my
incorrect association of USB with the monitor.

The new PC came with one HDD, containing XP/Home in
one partition, and HP's own maintenance and repair
software in its "D" partition. I have never removed
either of those partitions (nor would I). The way I
run or attempt to run WinME is to interrupt the boot
process and boot to the Slave drive (which is left
over from my erstwhile PC).

If you read Mike's posts, you'll see that, in shutting
down ME, now, I always get an error window about MSGSRV32
where it hangs. And in attempting to boot it always
complains about 5 files that it can't find, that should
be in C:\Windows\Options\CABS. Mike had me check Registry to
verify that that is where it's directed, and I verified
that.

I'm pretty well convinced that HP has somehow made it
impossible to use the OS on the old HDD even though it
boots every time in Safe Mode. I'm about to consider
taking another HDD and install Win98 clean on it, from
Microsoft's own installation CD, and then upgrade it
to ME with my ME-upgrade CD. I can copy back from the
questionable HDD those files that I have on it. I don't
like giving up on what you and Mike and I have spent so
much time on, but maybe it *is* time to move on to
"Plan B".

Mart wrote:
Bill, let's just recap.

You say, that you've stripped all external hardware down to the essential
minimum (keyboard, mouse and monitor) - and cleared as much as you can in
Dev.Man to all that it won't allow you to remove (IDE drive controllers
etc.) in Safe Mode. Now as understand it, WinMe hangs again during the next
Normal Mode startup.

OK. Now have another look in Dev.Man (in Safe Mode again, as it's the only
way in) and like before, report any/all errors, conflicts and multiple
entries. It's remains an iterative process until you identify and 'Remove'
the offending hardware.

Now what really bothers me is that you mentioned " I have not yet pulled the
USB connectors for webcam, and of course I can't pull the monitor USB plug."

Well, pull the webcam of course - BUT USB Monitor?? What's all this about?
USB is not VGA.

Hmm.. Maybe I'm missing something here. I don't know anything about USB
monitors, but I'm pretty certain that you'd need a special driver package to
get that to work in WinMe in Normal Mode. In fact I didn't even know there
was (seemingly) a generic USB driver for Safe Mode I was never aware of any
USB video drivers included in the WinMe package. Anything come with the
monitor?

What does Dev.Man say regarding Display Adaptors and/or Monitors?

However, you did start the original thread with the Subject "New PC, ME with
old BIOS" which I couldn't really make sense of g I can only therefore
conclude that the motherboard supports USB video. Are you sure that it is
WinMe compatible?

What was the original OS on this new PC?

And - if you want to answer - why did you remove the original HDD?

Mart


"William B. Lurie" wrote in message
...
Mike M wrote:
As of now, I am unable to remove 4 IDE drive controllers
from the Dev. Manager.
Don't worry leave these.

I will read your further instructions as to what to do in
Registry, in more detail. I don't mind going there, but I have
to understand what to change once I'm there.
My earlier post went into precise detail. I have nothing to add.

gives no other option. My CD drive is not shown as an option,
so until we 'reinstall' that drive,
If you are looking Safe Mode then this is perfectly normal. This being
one of the reasons it's called Safe Mode.

in Safe Mode, it tells me to Restart, and I click to restart,
and it always hangs there, in MSGRV52(Not Responding),
Oh dear, you have some hardware that is hanging Dev.Man on the reboot.
(BTW msgsrv32 not 52). Msgsrv32 is waiting for a reply from some none
functioning component. Msgsrv32 is simply the messenger, the problem
nearly always lies elsewhere and that's your hardware which is why it is
ESSENTIAL to have NOTHING connected other than the bare minimum (which
has been said before). Strip the box back so that al that is connected
to the motherboard is your hard drive, video card (possibly built-in),
keyboard and mouse. Then try again. Once you have Win Me booting in
Normal Mode to the desktop you can start adding back bits.

See MS KB Q138708 - "Function of the Windows 32-Bit Message Server"
(http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=138708).

Mike, you've been very patient and logical and specific.
I had it stripped so that there was nothing I added to the
OEM machine, and nothing was connected other than the bare-bones
essentials... KB, Mouse, monitor, and whatever video card HP
supplied inside the enclosure, which obviously I cannot remove.
As I said, I followed your instructions, and Registry points
to the right file....on the C-drive....and presumably it's been there
since 1998 except that it must be there in name only, empty, or
corrupted. I just cannot boot to Normal Mode.

I'm going to try an entirely different approach. I have
another drive which I will try to wipe clean and install
Win 98 on, and then upgrade to ME. Maybe that will boot
to Normal Mode, and whether it does or not, it may shed
light on this set of happenings. Have a good day, and I
fear that you'll be hearing from me again.



  #45  
Old April 6th 08, 02:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,190
Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

First of all, note Mikes reply (timed at 12:32 BST today) regarding the much
simpler method of a clean install of WinMe - should you need to go down that
route. But I don't think we've completely exhausted 'Plan A' - YET!!

So I'll address the next items in-line :-

Mart, thanks for coming back in.
First let me jump down to the USB question.
That was a memory slip; the monitor is on its
own big multi-connector cable.


Phew! - thank goodness for that g

I've graduated to
where my latest attempts have been with *NO* USB
cables connected. Consider it as having only the
essential cabling; I even unplugged the Ethernet
connector.


Indeed, ALL items *MUST* be disconnected.

In Safe Mode, there are no errors and no conflicts.
There are 4 entries for IDE controllers which I am
unable to delete, and Mike says not to fret.


Mike's quite correct and on hindsight, perhaps we should have warned you
earlier.


I
didn't answer your query about display adapters
and monitors because I think it was prompted by my
incorrect association of USB with the monitor.


Fair enough.

The new PC came with one HDD, containing XP/Home in
one partition, and HP's own maintenance and repair
software in its "D" partition. I have never removed
either of those partitions (nor would I). The way I
run or attempt to run WinME is to interrupt the boot
process and boot to the Slave drive (which is left
over from my erstwhile PC).


OK, thanks for that info. For now - assuming it has been physically removed
and your WinMe HDD is the only one fitted, it won't be causing any issues.

If you read Mike's posts, you'll see that, in shutting
down ME, now, I always get an error window about MSGSRV32
where it hangs.


OK, for the moment, that's to be expected and probably not too relevant.

And in attempting to boot it always
complains about 5 files that it can't find, that should
be in C:\Windows\Options\CABS.


Exactly what files can't it find? Please list all five.

Mike had me check Registry to
verify that that is where it's directed, and I verified
that.


It's not the Registry but rather the 'Path' which we are considering here.
You need to search (in Safe Mode) for " *.CABS " and (hopefully) find a
Folder containing about 20 or so .CAB files (e.g. WIN_15.CAB). Assuming
those files can be found, we are (or should be) still in business.

However, if you can't find them, then you are up the creek .. as Mike
explained earlier and it is definately over to 'Plan B' (but do remember
Mikes tip, no need to install 98)

I'm pretty well convinced that HP has somehow made it
impossible to use the OS on the old HDD even though it
boots every time in Safe Mode.
I'm about to consider
taking another HDD and install Win98 clean on it, from
Microsoft's own installation CD, and then upgrade it
to ME with my ME-upgrade CD. I can copy back from the
questionable HDD those files that I have on it. I don't
like giving up on what you and Mike and I have spent so
much time on, but maybe it *is* time to move on to
"Plan B".


See my previous paragraph.

Mart

snipped


  #46  
Old April 6th 08, 02:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Posts: 2,047
Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

It wants to install hidclass.sys hidpause.sys
hidvkc.sys mouse.drv msmon.vxd


In which case I feel there is something very wrong. You have said
elsewhere that the registry is pointing to the correct folder containing
the Win Me cab set so these files should be automatically being extracted
without your seeing any error message.
hidclass.sys this is in PRECOPY1.CAB
mouse.drv this is BASE2.CAB
hidpause.sys Not part of Win Me - hidparse.sys perhaps? If so in
BASE2.CAB
hidvkc.sys Not part of Win Me - hidvkd.sys perhaps? If so in
BASE2.CAB
msmon.vxd Not part of Win Me - msmouse.vxd perhaps? If so in
BASE2.CAB

If however hidpause,sys, hidvkc.sys and msmon.vxd are correct then Win Me
is attempting to install a third party driver.
--
Mike Maltby



William B. Lurie wrote:

Latest progress: I've gone around 3 times now, and
each time I remove more. I have not yet pulled
the USB connectors for webcam, and of course I
can't pull the monitor USB plug. On next pass I'll pull
the webcam (it isn't easy to identify and get at).
And also the Ethernet connection, which I do not
intend to use with this ME system.

But for now, maybe you'd care to advise about the self-
installation of 5 files that it can't find, and I can't
supply.

It wants to install hidclass.sys hidpause.sys
hidvkc.sys mouse.drv msmon.vxd from
C:\windows\options\cabs and it doesn't find
them, and I can't supply them because, even when
I manage to boot to Safe Mode, it doesn't see my
CD drive, so I can't lead it to the CD. That in itself
requires some advice.......


  #47  
Old April 6th 08, 02:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
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Posts: 1,190
Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Oops! .. I somehow missed the last paragraph of Bills post regarding these
missing files.

Mart

PS. Mike please see the email I sent direct regarding clean install from a
HDD



"Mike M" wrote in message
...
It wants to install hidclass.sys hidpause.sys
hidvkc.sys mouse.drv msmon.vxd


In which case I feel there is something very wrong. You have said
elsewhere that the registry is pointing to the correct folder containing
the Win Me cab set so these files should be automatically being extracted
without your seeing any error message.
hidclass.sys this is in PRECOPY1.CAB
mouse.drv this is BASE2.CAB
hidpause.sys Not part of Win Me - hidparse.sys perhaps? If so in
BASE2.CAB
hidvkc.sys Not part of Win Me - hidvkd.sys perhaps? If so in
BASE2.CAB
msmon.vxd Not part of Win Me - msmouse.vxd perhaps? If so in
BASE2.CAB

If however hidpause,sys, hidvkc.sys and msmon.vxd are correct then Win Me
is attempting to install a third party driver.
--
Mike Maltby



William B. Lurie wrote:

Latest progress: I've gone around 3 times now, and
each time I remove more. I have not yet pulled
the USB connectors for webcam, and of course I
can't pull the monitor USB plug. On next pass I'll pull
the webcam (it isn't easy to identify and get at).
And also the Ethernet connection, which I do not
intend to use with this ME system.

But for now, maybe you'd care to advise about the self-
installation of 5 files that it can't find, and I can't
supply.

It wants to install hidclass.sys hidpause.sys
hidvkc.sys mouse.drv msmon.vxd from
C:\windows\options\cabs and it doesn't find
them, and I can't supply them because, even when
I manage to boot to Safe Mode, it doesn't see my
CD drive, so I can't lead it to the CD. That in itself
requires some advice.......




  #48  
Old April 6th 08, 03:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 2,047
Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Mart wrote:

Oops! .. I somehow missed the last paragraph of Bills post regarding
these missing files.

Mart

PS. Mike please see the email I sent direct regarding clean install
from a HDD


Mart,

To which I have replied.

I've now got problems of my own with one of my boxes suddenly deciding to
spontaneously reboot. This has now happened three times in the last few
days and I have a dreadful feeling that its hard disk related. One thing
it isn't is overheating! (see e-mail). g
--
Mike

  #49  
Old April 6th 08, 03:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,190
Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Hi Bill,

With further reference to your 5 missing files (which I'd only just
spotted - sorry!), I've just been in contact with Mike and concluded that :-
depending on how you set-up your original WinMe on the 'old' HDD (can't
remember if you said you [over] installed it [a MS or OEM version?] onto an
existing OEM [HP?] version of Win98) then the Folder (CABS or Install) MAY
NOT EXIST - or be in a completely different location!

From a very recent Clean installation I've just done of (MS not OEM) WinMe,
where the installation files were copied to the HDD before actually
installing WinMe from the HDD itself (The CD-ROM was 'faulty') I have found
that WinMe doesn't copy the complete set of installation files to the CABS
or Install folder at all, as it would if was installed from the CD.

Always said that you learn something new every day on these WinMe NG's!!

Is your WinMe CD an MS or OEM version?
I take it your 98 CD is OEM.

If WinMe CD is MS, and your 98 is a 'special' (compressed) OEM version, then
WinMe might not accept the OEM CD as a proof of authenticity and therefore
you may have to go down the Plan B (version A) route, i.e. fresh install 98
then attempt the WinMe update. Far too many variables keep creeping in to
this 'simple issue' g

Mart


"Mart" wrote in message
...
First of all, note Mikes reply (timed at 12:32 BST today) regarding the
much simpler method of a clean install of WinMe - should you need to go
down that route. But I don't think we've completely exhausted 'Plan A' -
YET!!

So I'll address the next items in-line :-

Mart, thanks for coming back in.
First let me jump down to the USB question.
That was a memory slip; the monitor is on its
own big multi-connector cable.


Phew! - thank goodness for that g

I've graduated to
where my latest attempts have been with *NO* USB
cables connected. Consider it as having only the
essential cabling; I even unplugged the Ethernet
connector.


Indeed, ALL items *MUST* be disconnected.

In Safe Mode, there are no errors and no conflicts.
There are 4 entries for IDE controllers which I am
unable to delete, and Mike says not to fret.


Mike's quite correct and on hindsight, perhaps we should have warned you
earlier.


I
didn't answer your query about display adapters
and monitors because I think it was prompted by my
incorrect association of USB with the monitor.


Fair enough.

The new PC came with one HDD, containing XP/Home in
one partition, and HP's own maintenance and repair
software in its "D" partition. I have never removed
either of those partitions (nor would I). The way I
run or attempt to run WinME is to interrupt the boot
process and boot to the Slave drive (which is left
over from my erstwhile PC).


OK, thanks for that info. For now - assuming it has been physically
removed and your WinMe HDD is the only one fitted, it won't be causing any
issues.

If you read Mike's posts, you'll see that, in shutting
down ME, now, I always get an error window about MSGSRV32
where it hangs.


OK, for the moment, that's to be expected and probably not too relevant.

And in attempting to boot it always
complains about 5 files that it can't find, that should
be in C:\Windows\Options\CABS.


Exactly what files can't it find? Please list all five.

Mike had me check Registry to
verify that that is where it's directed, and I verified
that.


It's not the Registry but rather the 'Path' which we are considering here.
You need to search (in Safe Mode) for " *.CABS " and (hopefully) find a
Folder containing about 20 or so .CAB files (e.g. WIN_15.CAB). Assuming
those files can be found, we are (or should be) still in business.

However, if you can't find them, then you are up the creek .. as Mike
explained earlier and it is definately over to 'Plan B' (but do remember
Mikes tip, no need to install 98)

I'm pretty well convinced that HP has somehow made it
impossible to use the OS on the old HDD even though it
boots every time in Safe Mode.
I'm about to consider
taking another HDD and install Win98 clean on it, from
Microsoft's own installation CD, and then upgrade it
to ME with my ME-upgrade CD. I can copy back from the
questionable HDD those files that I have on it. I don't
like giving up on what you and Mike and I have spent so
much time on, but maybe it *is* time to move on to
"Plan B".


See my previous paragraph.

Mart

snipped



  #50  
Old April 6th 08, 03:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mart
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,190
Default New PC, ME with old BIOS

Mike wrote :-

... One thing it isn't is overheating! (see e-mail). g


Not surprised when you added :-

I woke this morning to see snow flakes 5cm (2") across!


Environmentally friendly, 'green' cooling? - but not inside the house, I
hope bg

Mart



"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:

Oops! .. I somehow missed the last paragraph of Bills post regarding
these missing files.

Mart

PS. Mike please see the email I sent direct regarding clean install
from a HDD


Mart,

To which I have replied.

I've now got problems of my own with one of my boxes suddenly deciding to
spontaneously reboot. This has now happened three times in the last few
days and I have a dreadful feeling that its hard disk related. One thing
it isn't is overheating! (see e-mail). g
--
Mike



 




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