Posting In The Future?

Well, D4 is nice in that it keeps the system clock ON TIME (works fine over
here), but if he can't find the problem there, I guess he's stuck with
that - as a "solution".

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Screw D4. Uninstall it.

UTC and GMT are *not* always the same: During British Summer Time (BST),
GMT
= UTC +1 (or +0100). Therefore...

PDT = UTC -7 (or -0700) = GMT -8 (or -0800)

DaffyD® wrote:
I'm in UTC-8. D4 puts my system clock in UTC+8 even though the Time/Date
taskbar still shows me in the Pacific Daylight Time zone.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
QP
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:51:10 -1600
/QP

Your post's date & time appear correctly but the above tells us that
something's still wrong. What did you do?

UTC -1600 would put you in Western Australia (e.g., Perth), but then the
date would be Fri., 19 Sept 2008.

You need to adjust both your date and time zone (which should be
UTC -0700
for PDT currently).
--
~PA Bear


DaffyD® wrote:
How 'bout now?

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy.

DaffyD® wrote:
"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®"
put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see
looks
fine.
I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the
date/time
properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM.
What's
strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's
time
stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your
reply
was
posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be
seeing
the
opposite of what you see?

These are your original headers as I see them:

================================================== ======
From: "DaffyD®"
Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600
Lines: 12
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845131
================================================== ======

Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas
Pacific
Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada).

Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago:

From: "DaffyD®"
References:



Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600
Lines: 51
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933
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Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:03:06 -0600, "Bill in Co."
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Well, D4 is nice in that it keeps the system clock ON TIME (works fine over
here), but if he can't find the problem there, I guess he's stuck with
that - as a "solution".

I use WebTime 2000:
http://www.gregorybraun.com/WebTime.html

I manually synch my clock once a day. There is no executable running
in the background to consume resources, however small.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Have fun taking a break. BTW, DaffyD, have you fully checked your computer
system out for any baddies that may be manipulating your time clock
especially since Bill in Co. uses Dimension 4 and Franc uses another time
clock program and even with Gary S. Terhune's time clock adjuster your time
clock was still wrong. The reason I ask this is that I have had my time
clock be off in the past and it was due to mal-ware. This is just a thought
and another perspective and please let us know what anti-spyware utilities
you use to scan your system as well as the antivirus scanner you are using.
Another thing to check is in add/remove programs to make sure there is
nothing there that you do not recognize or that seems malicious. I helped
out for a week at Camp Stoney this summer again in Santa Fe, New Mexico and
of course and no surprise to me that 2 computers were compromised because of
the camp counselor's continued use of MySpace, FaceBook and Yahoo programs
and junk had gotten in and infected both computers in the same way. I
removed the infected programs and ran the appropriate software and fixed
them. The 2 computers that were compromised were both running Windows. One
of the computers had Windows 2000 Professional and the other computer had
Windows XP. There was a 3rd computer that also had Windows XP but this
computer just had printer issues so it just took removing the old software
and downloading and installing brand new basic printer drivers to get the
machine working as normal again. It certainly is fun to work on computers as
long as you don't let the machines get the better of you and put the matter
in perspective at least that is what helps me deal with electronics when I
get frustrated. Have a great week.

"DaffyD®" wrote:


"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:30:00 -1600, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

my answers are embedded below. these are both with D4 installed and
uninstalled. With D4 installed, my system clock reads 11:28 am--which is
9
hours before my current time of 8:28 pm.

Gary is probably the best person to advise you, but I believe the
ActiveTimeBias should be set to 480 or 420.

Did Gary's TZ updater utility restore the correct the data at the
following key?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Time
Zones\Pacific

FWIW, my registry, with the original Microsoft TZ data, shows ...

"Display"="(GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana"
"Dlt"="Pacific Daylight Time"
"Std"="Pacific Standard Time"
"MapID"="32,33"

"TZI"=hex:e0,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,c4,ff,ff,ff,00,0 0,0a,00,00,00,05,00,02,00,
00,\
00,00,00,00,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,01,00,02,00,00,00 ,00,00,00,00

As you can see, the BIAS is 0x000001e0 (=480 minutes).

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
news On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -1600, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my
system
clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So
I
deleted the program.

I wonder if Dimension 4 changed this registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

What values do you have for the following paramaters:

"ActiveTimeBias" (960)
"StandardName" Pacific Standard Time
"DaylightName" Pacific Daylight Time
"Bias" (480)

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

It may be due to Gary's program, Bias is now 0x000001e0 (480). What did
change is that ActiveTimeBias which is now 0x000001a4 (420). The change came
out by futzing around with Gary's program, TZEDIT, and then D4. If the
headers are still wrong, I'm throwing in the towel. Actually, I'll keep it
for a beach towel and head for the Southern California beaches, smack dab in
the PDT UTC-7, and where the only headers you see are on muscle cars and
surfer dudes wiping out on the big waves. Ciao!
--
DaffyD®

If I Knew Where I Was I'd Be There Now.

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
"DaffyD®" wrote in message
...

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
"DaffyD®" wrote in message
...

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:04:27 -1600, "DaffyD®"
put
finger to keyboard and composed:

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
.. .

These are your original headers as I see them:

================================================== ==========
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600
================================================== ==========

Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas
Pacific
Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada).

Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago:

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600

You still have a problem. What Time Zone do you see when you
double-click the clock in the Systray?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

(GMT-8:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana.


Which means your clock should read UTC -7. Because we're still on
Daylight
time. See my reply to Franc, at 2:27 Pacific Daylight Time, for a fix.
Or
just go to my site and follow the trail.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

I did more fiddling around with TZ Edit and D4 and my system clock is
now
synch'd with my watch. Hopefully the headers for this message should be
accurate.

Looks fine to me. But it bothers me that using my update file didn't fix
the
issue immediately, or didn't you try it without D4 in the mix? Without D4
being involved, the updater should have fixed the issue and I'd be very
interested to know if that wasn't the case. I don't know of any mechanism
in
Win98 that would change that Registry key or its sub-keys.

Turns out that the most recent update to the TZ info in WinXP and above
was
released a month ago.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951072/

I'll be updating my files tomorrow, Sunday, but don't be surprised if it's
Monday or even Tuesday before I upload everything. The very first and only
monitor I ever bought for myself was a ViewSonic A75s, a CRT with "short
depth" dimensions. Spent the better part of its life powered up and
serving
as my primary monitor. More recently it's been attached to whatever
machine
happens to need it, usually my test machine. Well, when I cranked it up
this
morning it started doing a snap, crackle, pop like it wanted to
reincarnate
as an arc welder, so I've got to drag a used monitor out of the shed
tomorrow. Kinda sad, actually. that monitor had great color. IIRC, there's
not much left in the shed that will work decently enough, or be "short"
enough to fit on my desk. Gotta see if any of my "clients" have any flat
panels that need to be "recycled". Might have to buy a new one. That's
revolting.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

I'm sorry about the monitor problem. I've used the same one for over 10
years. It developed display problems. Now I'm using a castoff from where I
work. If I could afford to buy a new monitor it would come with a new
computer, Gary.

Anyway, your program was part of the fix. I remember that I installed it but
the time still wasn't right. I used D4 to query one of the servers and the
correct time was displayed on the taskbar.
I think your program was the key to D4 getting it right. Since things seem
to be working again, do you think I should still download your program
update?

I believe I've got it fixed now--how do the headers look?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Screw D4. Uninstall it.

UTC and GMT are *not* always the same: During British Summer Time (BST),
GMT
= UTC +1 (or +0100). Therefore...

PDT = UTC -7 (or -0700) = GMT -8 (or -0800)

DaffyD® wrote:
I'm in UTC-8. D4 puts my system clock in UTC+8 even though the Time/Date
taskbar still shows me in the Pacific Daylight Time zone.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
QP
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:51:10 -1600
/QP

Your post's date & time appear correctly but the above tells us that
something's still wrong. What did you do?

UTC -1600 would put you in Western Australia (e.g., Perth), but then
the
date would be Fri., 19 Sept 2008.

You need to adjust both your date and time zone (which should be
UTC -0700
for PDT currently).
--
~PA Bear


DaffyD® wrote:
How 'bout now?

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy.

DaffyD® wrote:
"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®"
put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see
looks
fine.
I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the
date/time
properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM.
What's
strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's
time
stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your
reply
was
posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be
seeing
the
opposite of what you see?

These are your original headers as I see them:

================================================== ==========
From: "DaffyD®"
Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600
Lines: 12
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109
Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845131
================================================== ==========

Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas
Pacific
Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada).

Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago:

From: "DaffyD®"
References:



Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600
Lines: 51
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
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"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
"DaffyD®" wrote in message
...

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
"DaffyD®" wrote in message
...

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:04:27 -1600, "DaffyD®"
put
finger to keyboard and composed:

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
.. .

These are your original headers as I see them:

================================================== ==========
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600
================================================== ==========

Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas
Pacific
Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada).

Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago:

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600

You still have a problem. What Time Zone do you see when you
double-click the clock in the Systray?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

(GMT-8:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana.


Which means your clock should read UTC -7. Because we're still on
Daylight
time. See my reply to Franc, at 2:27 Pacific Daylight Time, for a fix.
Or
just go to my site and follow the trail.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

I did more fiddling around with TZ Edit and D4 and my system clock is
now
synch'd with my watch. Hopefully the headers for this message should be
accurate.

Looks fine to me. But it bothers me that using my update file didn't fix
the
issue immediately, or didn't you try it without D4 in the mix? Without D4
being involved, the updater should have fixed the issue and I'd be very
interested to know if that wasn't the case. I don't know of any mechanism
in
Win98 that would change that Registry key or its sub-keys.

Turns out that the most recent update to the TZ info in WinXP and above
was
released a month ago.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951072/

I'll be updating my files tomorrow, Sunday, but don't be surprised if it's
Monday or even Tuesday before I upload everything. The very first and only
monitor I ever bought for myself was a ViewSonic A75s, a CRT with "short
depth" dimensions. Spent the better part of its life powered up and
serving
as my primary monitor. More recently it's been attached to whatever
machine
happens to need it, usually my test machine. Well, when I cranked it up
this
morning it started doing a snap, crackle, pop like it wanted to
reincarnate
as an arc welder, so I've got to drag a used monitor out of the shed
tomorrow. Kinda sad, actually. that monitor had great color. IIRC, there's
not much left in the shed that will work decently enough, or be "short"
enough to fit on my desk. Gotta see if any of my "clients" have any flat
panels that need to be "recycled". Might have to buy a new one. That's
revolting.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

Forgot to ask more about TZ Edit. Does it run in the background, like D4,
or only when I click the executable? I'm still not sure how it works. Do I
need D4 if TZ Edit is already on my computer? Or does your registry fix also
negate the need for a time synchonization program?

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:03:06 -0600, "Bill in Co."
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Well, D4 is nice in that it keeps the system clock ON TIME (works fine
over
here), but if he can't find the problem there, I guess he's stuck with
that - as a "solution".

I use WebTime 2000:
http://www.gregorybraun.com/WebTime.html

I manually synch my clock once a day. There is no executable running
in the background to consume resources, however small.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Wouldn't D4 and Web Time 2000 be very similar types of programs? Although
the picture of Merlin looks really cool. I might switch just for him.

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:54:08 -0700, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
.. .

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:03:06 -0600, "Bill in Co."
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Well, D4 is nice in that it keeps the system clock ON TIME (works fine
over
here), but if he can't find the problem there, I guess he's stuck with
that - as a "solution".

I use WebTime 2000:
http://www.gregorybraun.com/WebTime.html

I manually synch my clock once a day. There is no executable running
in the background to consume resources, however small.

Wouldn't D4 and Web Time 2000 be very similar types of programs? Although
the picture of Merlin looks really cool. I might switch just for him.

Yes, I only suggested Web Time because I've had no issues with it.
However, Web Time does not have an automatic synch feature, so D4
could be better from that point of view.

BTW, why do you keep asking others if your headers look right? Doesn't
OE allow you to see them for yourself?

I don't use OE, but AIUI the following method displays your email
message headers. Perhaps it works for newsgroup posts as well ???

File - Properties - Details - Message Source

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:54:08 -0700, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
. ..

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:03:06 -0600, "Bill in Co."
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Well, D4 is nice in that it keeps the system clock ON TIME (works
fine
over
here), but if he can't find the problem there, I guess he's stuck
with
that - as a "solution".

I use WebTime 2000:
http://www.gregorybraun.com/WebTime.html

I manually synch my clock once a day. There is no executable running
in the background to consume resources, however small.

Wouldn't D4 and Web Time 2000 be very similar types of programs?
Although
the picture of Merlin looks really cool. I might switch just for him.

Yes, I only suggested Web Time because I've had no issues with it.
However, Web Time does not have an automatic synch feature, so D4
could be better from that point of view.

BTW, why do you keep asking others if your headers look right? Doesn't
OE allow you to see them for yourself?

I don't use OE, but AIUI the following method displays your email
message headers. Perhaps it works for newsgroup posts as well ???

File - Properties - Details - Message Source

OE can also use Right click on message and select "propperties" :-)

DaffyD® wrote:

I believe I've got it fixed now--how do the headers look?

Look for yourself...

1. right click on it
2. click "Properties"
3. click "Details"

--

dadiOH
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