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  #1  
Old January 14th 05, 02:43 AM
Tap
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Posts: 4
Default Finding the CDROM

Could someone enlighten me as to why the old computers had to have the cdrom drivers loaded, etc. before the machine would be able to find the drive, and the newer machines can be booted to the cdrom even with a new or formatted hard-drive. Does it have something to do with the newer motherboards or is this something within the newer cdrom drives. I found on the last machine I built using the Soyo Dragon M/B that I didn't have to do anything but set it in the bios to boot to the cdrom and it was that easy, pop in the Win 98 cd and installed without any trouble, easiest install I ever did.
  #2  
Old January 14th 05, 03:38 AM
glee
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You are talking apples and oranges. Loading DOS CD drivers is for accessing the CD
drive from a DOS boot, such as "Command Prompt Only" or from a boot floppy disk.
The CD drive cannot be accessed in DOS without loading those drivers.

Booting from the CD drive is an entirely different situation, and that is a feature
of the BIOS on the motherboard. Booting from a CD drive does not involve DOS at
all.

BTW, the fact that you were able to boot from the Win98 CD indicates that your
Windows CD is an OEM copy. Retail copies of Win98 are not bootable. (All Windows
XP discs *are* bootable, however).
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Tap" wrote in message
...

Could someone enlighten me as to why the old computers had to have the
cdrom drivers loaded, etc. before the machine would be able to find the
drive, and the newer machines can be booted to the cdrom even with a new
or formatted hard-drive. Does it have something to do with the newer
motherboards or is this something within the newer cdrom drives. I
found on the last machine I built using the Soyo Dragon M/B that I
didn't have to do anything but set it in the bios to boot to the cdrom
and it was that easy, pop in the Win 98 cd and installed without any
trouble, easiest install I ever did.


--
Tap


  #3  
Old January 14th 05, 03:46 AM
Gary S. Terhune
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The CD used has to be a bootable CD. It has to have a minimal OS to
function. And, yes, it's changes in the motherboard that made that
possible, but those changes were pretty standard in any post-486
machine. It's just that until Windows 2000, Microsoft didn't themselves
produce OS installation CDs that were bootable. You used a floppy
startup disk that loaded drivers. If your new mobo can run and use a
generic Win98 installation CD, then it has something that's *very*
new--an onboard OS that's complicated enough to emulate MSDOS.
Otherwise, I can guarantee you that your Win98 CD wasn't a standard
one--wasn't a Microsoft Upgrade, Full or generic OEM CD. Rather, it was
a "Restore" CD provided by your machine's maker that included a bootable
partition, probably some other tools, and the Win98 installation files.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Tap" wrote in message
...

Could someone enlighten me as to why the old computers had to have the
cdrom drivers loaded, etc. before the machine would be able to find

the
drive, and the newer machines can be booted to the cdrom even with a

new
or formatted hard-drive. Does it have something to do with the newer
motherboards or is this something within the newer cdrom drives. I
found on the last machine I built using the Soyo Dragon M/B that I
didn't have to do anything but set it in the bios to boot to the cdrom
and it was that easy, pop in the Win 98 cd and installed without any
trouble, easiest install I ever did.


--
Tap


  #4  
Old January 14th 05, 04:08 AM
glee
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It has long been my understanding that many OEM copies of Win98 are bootable.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The CD used has to be a bootable CD. It has to have a minimal OS to
function. And, yes, it's changes in the motherboard that made that
possible, but those changes were pretty standard in any post-486
machine. It's just that until Windows 2000, Microsoft didn't themselves
produce OS installation CDs that were bootable. You used a floppy
startup disk that loaded drivers. If your new mobo can run and use a
generic Win98 installation CD, then it has something that's *very*
new--an onboard OS that's complicated enough to emulate MSDOS.
Otherwise, I can guarantee you that your Win98 CD wasn't a standard
one--wasn't a Microsoft Upgrade, Full or generic OEM CD. Rather, it was
a "Restore" CD provided by your machine's maker that included a bootable
partition, probably some other tools, and the Win98 installation files.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Tap" wrote in message
...

Could someone enlighten me as to why the old computers had to have the
cdrom drivers loaded, etc. before the machine would be able to find

the
drive, and the newer machines can be booted to the cdrom even with a

new
or formatted hard-drive. Does it have something to do with the newer
motherboards or is this something within the newer cdrom drives. I
found on the last machine I built using the Soyo Dragon M/B that I
didn't have to do anything but set it in the bios to boot to the cdrom
and it was that easy, pop in the Win 98 cd and installed without any
trouble, easiest install I ever did.


--
Tap



  #5  
Old January 14th 05, 04:23 AM
Gary S. Terhune
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The proprietary ones, yes--the ones printed and distributed with
name-brand systems. But, AFAIK, not the "generic" OEM disk that MS
provided in bulk to HW vendors. The one that says, "For installation on
a new PC only" or whatever the wording is.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
...
It has long been my understanding that many OEM copies of Win98 are

bootable.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The CD used has to be a bootable CD. It has to have a minimal OS to
function. And, yes, it's changes in the motherboard that made that
possible, but those changes were pretty standard in any post-486
machine. It's just that until Windows 2000, Microsoft didn't

themselves
produce OS installation CDs that were bootable. You used a floppy
startup disk that loaded drivers. If your new mobo can run and use a
generic Win98 installation CD, then it has something that's *very*
new--an onboard OS that's complicated enough to emulate MSDOS.
Otherwise, I can guarantee you that your Win98 CD wasn't a standard
one--wasn't a Microsoft Upgrade, Full or generic OEM CD. Rather, it

was
a "Restore" CD provided by your machine's maker that included a

bootable
partition, probably some other tools, and the Win98 installation

files.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Tap" wrote in message
...

Could someone enlighten me as to why the old computers had to have

the
cdrom drivers loaded, etc. before the machine would be able to

find
the
drive, and the newer machines can be booted to the cdrom even with

a
new
or formatted hard-drive. Does it have something to do with the

newer
motherboards or is this something within the newer cdrom drives.

I
found on the last machine I built using the Soyo Dragon M/B that I
didn't have to do anything but set it in the bios to boot to the

cdrom
and it was that easy, pop in the Win 98 cd and installed without

any
trouble, easiest install I ever did.


--
Tap




  #6  
Old January 14th 05, 04:58 AM
glee
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Default

OK, but I am not referring to "Restore Discs", but actual OEM CDs.
Hmmm...have a look he
http://snipurl.com/c02i
http://snipurl.com/c02g
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The proprietary ones, yes--the ones printed and distributed with
name-brand systems. But, AFAIK, not the "generic" OEM disk that MS
provided in bulk to HW vendors. The one that says, "For installation on
a new PC only" or whatever the wording is.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
...
It has long been my understanding that many OEM copies of Win98 are

bootable.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The CD used has to be a bootable CD. It has to have a minimal OS to
function. And, yes, it's changes in the motherboard that made that
possible, but those changes were pretty standard in any post-486
machine. It's just that until Windows 2000, Microsoft didn't

themselves
produce OS installation CDs that were bootable. You used a floppy
startup disk that loaded drivers. If your new mobo can run and use a
generic Win98 installation CD, then it has something that's *very*
new--an onboard OS that's complicated enough to emulate MSDOS.
Otherwise, I can guarantee you that your Win98 CD wasn't a standard
one--wasn't a Microsoft Upgrade, Full or generic OEM CD. Rather, it

was
a "Restore" CD provided by your machine's maker that included a

bootable
partition, probably some other tools, and the Win98 installation

files.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Tap" wrote in message
...

Could someone enlighten me as to why the old computers had to have

the
cdrom drivers loaded, etc. before the machine would be able to

find
the
drive, and the newer machines can be booted to the cdrom even with

a
new
or formatted hard-drive. Does it have something to do with the

newer
motherboards or is this something within the newer cdrom drives.

I
found on the last machine I built using the Soyo Dragon M/B that I
didn't have to do anything but set it in the bios to boot to the

cdrom
and it was that easy, pop in the Win 98 cd and installed without

any
trouble, easiest install I ever did.


--
Tap




  #7  
Old January 14th 05, 06:11 AM
Gary S. Terhune
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Posts: n/a
Default

From the first reference: "The OEM versions go through a different burn
process and may or may not be bootable depending on who created the CD."

Precisely. I was referring to the "generic" OEM CDs produced by
Microsoft and sold wholesale to smaller hardware vendors who do not
create their own CDs. There are many "proprietary" OEM versions that
aren't what we traditionally think of as "Restore" CDs, which often
contain an image of the installed system, or have the MS installation
files already extracted from the CABS and bundled in some other manner.
Many are pretty much the same as the retail versions, just without most
of the extra content, and with their own extra content added in. These
last may or may not be bootable.

I'm talking about the ones that are for all practical purposes identical
to the Full Retail copies except for licensing and the "must clean
install" mechanisms.

At least, from my experience with several "generic" OEM disks, I'm 99%
certain that I'm right on this. We'd have to get Richard in on this to
know just what he was referring to.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
...
OK, but I am not referring to "Restore Discs", but actual OEM CDs.
Hmmm...have a look he
http://snipurl.com/c02i
http://snipurl.com/c02g
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The proprietary ones, yes--the ones printed and distributed with
name-brand systems. But, AFAIK, not the "generic" OEM disk that MS
provided in bulk to HW vendors. The one that says, "For installation

on
a new PC only" or whatever the wording is.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
...
It has long been my understanding that many OEM copies of Win98

are
bootable.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The CD used has to be a bootable CD. It has to have a minimal OS

to
function. And, yes, it's changes in the motherboard that made

that
possible, but those changes were pretty standard in any post-486
machine. It's just that until Windows 2000, Microsoft didn't

themselves
produce OS installation CDs that were bootable. You used a

floppy
startup disk that loaded drivers. If your new mobo can run and

use a
generic Win98 installation CD, then it has something that's

*very*
new--an onboard OS that's complicated enough to emulate MSDOS.
Otherwise, I can guarantee you that your Win98 CD wasn't a

standard
one--wasn't a Microsoft Upgrade, Full or generic OEM CD. Rather,

it
was
a "Restore" CD provided by your machine's maker that included a

bootable
partition, probably some other tools, and the Win98 installation

files.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Tap" wrote in message
...

Could someone enlighten me as to why the old computers had to

have
the
cdrom drivers loaded, etc. before the machine would be able to

find
the
drive, and the newer machines can be booted to the cdrom even

with
a
new
or formatted hard-drive. Does it have something to do with

the
newer
motherboards or is this something within the newer cdrom

drives.
I
found on the last machine I built using the Soyo Dragon M/B

that I
didn't have to do anything but set it in the bios to boot to

the
cdrom
and it was that easy, pop in the Win 98 cd and installed

without
any
trouble, easiest install I ever did.


--
Tap





  #8  
Old January 14th 05, 11:58 AM
glee
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That's from the second reference, not the first, and is made by Walter. Please read
Len Segal's reply in the second reference...Len IIRC is an OEM builder:

paste
Hopefully to clarify . . .

ALL MS Win98 CD OEM Full Versions are Bootable.

ALL MS Win NT & Win2K CD OEM & Retail Full Versions are Bootable.
[Having never dealt with the Retail Upgrade copies of WinNT/2K, I can't
answer that one.]

OEM Win9x CDs created by the larger OEMs (e.g. Dell, Gateway, IBM, HP,
etc.) "Usually" are Bootable, but may be "Recovery Disks" which also
load all the junk shelfware that was shipped by the OEM. Sometimes the
user is supplied an "alleged Win9x OEM CD" (created by the OEM) which
may not be bootable (intentionally missing some critical files to
prevent booting).

--
Regards,
Len Segal, MCP
Segal Computer Consulting
Microsoft - MVP (DTS), ClubWin

/paste
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
From the first reference: "The OEM versions go through a different burn
process and may or may not be bootable depending on who created the CD."

Precisely. I was referring to the "generic" OEM CDs produced by
Microsoft and sold wholesale to smaller hardware vendors who do not
create their own CDs. There are many "proprietary" OEM versions that
aren't what we traditionally think of as "Restore" CDs, which often
contain an image of the installed system, or have the MS installation
files already extracted from the CABS and bundled in some other manner.
Many are pretty much the same as the retail versions, just without most
of the extra content, and with their own extra content added in. These
last may or may not be bootable.

I'm talking about the ones that are for all practical purposes identical
to the Full Retail copies except for licensing and the "must clean
install" mechanisms.

At least, from my experience with several "generic" OEM disks, I'm 99%
certain that I'm right on this. We'd have to get Richard in on this to
know just what he was referring to.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
...
OK, but I am not referring to "Restore Discs", but actual OEM CDs.
Hmmm...have a look he
http://snipurl.com/c02i
http://snipurl.com/c02g
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The proprietary ones, yes--the ones printed and distributed with
name-brand systems. But, AFAIK, not the "generic" OEM disk that MS
provided in bulk to HW vendors. The one that says, "For installation

on
a new PC only" or whatever the wording is.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
...
It has long been my understanding that many OEM copies of Win98

are
bootable.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The CD used has to be a bootable CD. It has to have a minimal OS

to
function. And, yes, it's changes in the motherboard that made

that
possible, but those changes were pretty standard in any post-486
machine. It's just that until Windows 2000, Microsoft didn't
themselves
produce OS installation CDs that were bootable. You used a

floppy
startup disk that loaded drivers. If your new mobo can run and

use a
generic Win98 installation CD, then it has something that's

*very*
new--an onboard OS that's complicated enough to emulate MSDOS.
Otherwise, I can guarantee you that your Win98 CD wasn't a

standard
one--wasn't a Microsoft Upgrade, Full or generic OEM CD. Rather,

it
was
a "Restore" CD provided by your machine's maker that included a
bootable
partition, probably some other tools, and the Win98 installation
files.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Tap" wrote in message
...

Could someone enlighten me as to why the old computers had to

have
the
cdrom drivers loaded, etc. before the machine would be able to
find
the
drive, and the newer machines can be booted to the cdrom even

with
a
new
or formatted hard-drive. Does it have something to do with

the
newer
motherboards or is this something within the newer cdrom

drives.
I
found on the last machine I built using the Soyo Dragon M/B

that I
didn't have to do anything but set it in the bios to boot to

the
cdrom
and it was that easy, pop in the Win 98 cd and installed

without
any
trouble, easiest install I ever did.


--
Tap






  #9  
Old January 14th 05, 12:07 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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Huh! Guess I'll have to dig up a few and see what's what. Doesn't match
my experience, but that's my experience as remembered, and my memory has
been slipping over the last couple of years, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
.. .
That's from the second reference, not the first, and is made by

Walter. Please read
Len Segal's reply in the second reference...Len IIRC is an OEM

builder:

paste
Hopefully to clarify . . .

ALL MS Win98 CD OEM Full Versions are Bootable.

ALL MS Win NT & Win2K CD OEM & Retail Full Versions are Bootable.
[Having never dealt with the Retail Upgrade copies of WinNT/2K, I

can't
answer that one.]

OEM Win9x CDs created by the larger OEMs (e.g. Dell, Gateway, IBM, HP,
etc.) "Usually" are Bootable, but may be "Recovery Disks" which also
load all the junk shelfware that was shipped by the OEM. Sometimes the
user is supplied an "alleged Win9x OEM CD" (created by the OEM) which
may not be bootable (intentionally missing some critical files to
prevent booting).

--
Regards,
Len Segal, MCP
Segal Computer Consulting
Microsoft - MVP (DTS), ClubWin

/paste
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
From the first reference: "The OEM versions go through a different

burn
process and may or may not be bootable depending on who created the

CD."

Precisely. I was referring to the "generic" OEM CDs produced by
Microsoft and sold wholesale to smaller hardware vendors who do not
create their own CDs. There are many "proprietary" OEM versions that
aren't what we traditionally think of as "Restore" CDs, which often
contain an image of the installed system, or have the MS

installation
files already extracted from the CABS and bundled in some other

manner.
Many are pretty much the same as the retail versions, just without

most
of the extra content, and with their own extra content added in.

These
last may or may not be bootable.

I'm talking about the ones that are for all practical purposes

identical
to the Full Retail copies except for licensing and the "must clean
install" mechanisms.

At least, from my experience with several "generic" OEM disks, I'm

99%
certain that I'm right on this. We'd have to get Richard in on this

to
know just what he was referring to.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
...
OK, but I am not referring to "Restore Discs", but actual OEM CDs.
Hmmm...have a look he
http://snipurl.com/c02i
http://snipurl.com/c02g
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The proprietary ones, yes--the ones printed and distributed with
name-brand systems. But, AFAIK, not the "generic" OEM disk that

MS
provided in bulk to HW vendors. The one that says, "For

installation
on
a new PC only" or whatever the wording is.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
...
It has long been my understanding that many OEM copies of

Win98
are
bootable.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The CD used has to be a bootable CD. It has to have a

minimal OS
to
function. And, yes, it's changes in the motherboard that

made
that
possible, but those changes were pretty standard in any

post-486
machine. It's just that until Windows 2000, Microsoft didn't
themselves
produce OS installation CDs that were bootable. You used a

floppy
startup disk that loaded drivers. If your new mobo can run

and
use a
generic Win98 installation CD, then it has something that's

*very*
new--an onboard OS that's complicated enough to emulate

MSDOS.
Otherwise, I can guarantee you that your Win98 CD wasn't a

standard
one--wasn't a Microsoft Upgrade, Full or generic OEM CD.

Rather,
it
was
a "Restore" CD provided by your machine's maker that

included a
bootable
partition, probably some other tools, and the Win98

installation
files.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Tap" wrote in message
...

Could someone enlighten me as to why the old computers had

to
have
the
cdrom drivers loaded, etc. before the machine would be

able to
find
the
drive, and the newer machines can be booted to the cdrom

even
with
a
new
or formatted hard-drive. Does it have something to do

with
the
newer
motherboards or is this something within the newer cdrom

drives.
I
found on the last machine I built using the Soyo Dragon

M/B
that I
didn't have to do anything but set it in the bios to boot

to
the
cdrom
and it was that easy, pop in the Win 98 cd and installed

without
any
trouble, easiest install I ever did.


--
Tap







  #10  
Old January 14th 05, 12:12 PM
glee
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....and I have VERY little experience with OEM CDs, so I have been *believing* Len
all these years, as he tends to privy to OEM info that I am not. Let me/us know
what you find! Certainly not trying to argue with you....just relating the info I
have on the subject. :-)
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Huh! Guess I'll have to dig up a few and see what's what. Doesn't match
my experience, but that's my experience as remembered, and my memory has
been slipping over the last couple of years, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
.. .
That's from the second reference, not the first, and is made by

Walter. Please read
Len Segal's reply in the second reference...Len IIRC is an OEM

builder:

paste
Hopefully to clarify . . .

ALL MS Win98 CD OEM Full Versions are Bootable.

ALL MS Win NT & Win2K CD OEM & Retail Full Versions are Bootable.
[Having never dealt with the Retail Upgrade copies of WinNT/2K, I

can't
answer that one.]

OEM Win9x CDs created by the larger OEMs (e.g. Dell, Gateway, IBM, HP,
etc.) "Usually" are Bootable, but may be "Recovery Disks" which also
load all the junk shelfware that was shipped by the OEM. Sometimes the
user is supplied an "alleged Win9x OEM CD" (created by the OEM) which
may not be bootable (intentionally missing some critical files to
prevent booting).

--
Regards,
Len Segal, MCP
Segal Computer Consulting
Microsoft - MVP (DTS), ClubWin

/paste
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
From the first reference: "The OEM versions go through a different

burn
process and may or may not be bootable depending on who created the

CD."

Precisely. I was referring to the "generic" OEM CDs produced by
Microsoft and sold wholesale to smaller hardware vendors who do not
create their own CDs. There are many "proprietary" OEM versions that
aren't what we traditionally think of as "Restore" CDs, which often
contain an image of the installed system, or have the MS

installation
files already extracted from the CABS and bundled in some other

manner.
Many are pretty much the same as the retail versions, just without

most
of the extra content, and with their own extra content added in.

These
last may or may not be bootable.

I'm talking about the ones that are for all practical purposes

identical
to the Full Retail copies except for licensing and the "must clean
install" mechanisms.

At least, from my experience with several "generic" OEM disks, I'm

99%
certain that I'm right on this. We'd have to get Richard in on this

to
know just what he was referring to.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
...
OK, but I am not referring to "Restore Discs", but actual OEM CDs.
Hmmm...have a look he
http://snipurl.com/c02i
http://snipurl.com/c02g
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The proprietary ones, yes--the ones printed and distributed with
name-brand systems. But, AFAIK, not the "generic" OEM disk that

MS
provided in bulk to HW vendors. The one that says, "For

installation
on
a new PC only" or whatever the wording is.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"glee" wrote in message
...
It has long been my understanding that many OEM copies of

Win98
are
bootable.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
The CD used has to be a bootable CD. It has to have a

minimal OS
to
function. And, yes, it's changes in the motherboard that

made
that
possible, but those changes were pretty standard in any

post-486
machine. It's just that until Windows 2000, Microsoft didn't
themselves
produce OS installation CDs that were bootable. You used a
floppy
startup disk that loaded drivers. If your new mobo can run

and
use a
generic Win98 installation CD, then it has something that's
*very*
new--an onboard OS that's complicated enough to emulate

MSDOS.
Otherwise, I can guarantee you that your Win98 CD wasn't a
standard
one--wasn't a Microsoft Upgrade, Full or generic OEM CD.

Rather,
it
was
a "Restore" CD provided by your machine's maker that

included a
bootable
partition, probably some other tools, and the Win98

installation
files.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Tap" wrote in message
...

Could someone enlighten me as to why the old computers had

to
have
the
cdrom drivers loaded, etc. before the machine would be

able to
find
the
drive, and the newer machines can be booted to the cdrom

even
with
a
new
or formatted hard-drive. Does it have something to do

with
the
newer
motherboards or is this something within the newer cdrom
drives.
I
found on the last machine I built using the Soyo Dragon

M/B
that I
didn't have to do anything but set it in the bios to boot

to
the
cdrom
and it was that easy, pop in the Win 98 cd and installed
without
any
trouble, easiest install I ever did.


--
Tap








 




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