defrag won't work

I suggest you pay attention to Ron Badour's suggestions and also read the
first link in my signature.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
I have windows 98se Dell desktop xps t450 with 387 ram. Computer Associates
Internet
Security Suite (which I finally got installed correctly? yesterday) . Now
I can not
defragment my C drive even if I disable all of my VS, firewall,
anti-spyware. and do
a ctrl-alt-delete of everything except explorer and systray (by the way
...the sound
setting megaphone has disappeared from my systray) Please Help.I have
cable
connection. Defrag just spins its wheels. sometimes it goes to 1% but then
drops back
to 0% again.

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
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I DID NOT SAY scandisC

I am aware of that. I did not imply that you did.

- I said scandisc

which - I am telling you - is NOT the proper program name.

C - C being the drive I want scandisc to scan.

S-C-A-N-D-I-S-K

not

S-C-A-N-D-I-S-C

Come ON - this isn't difficult.......


"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...

I booted up in dos and tried to type in
scandiscC: and it said that was an incorrect command, I tried it
with
all kinds of
spaces and capital s , etc. I am getting nowhere

scandisK

not

scandisC

"michael adams" wrote in message
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"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
I have windows 98se Dell desktop xps t450 with 387 ram. Computer
Associates Internet Security Suite (which I finally got installed
correctly? yesterday) . Now I can not defragment my C drive even
if I disable all of my VS, firewall, anti-spyware. and do
a ctrl-alt-delete of everything except explorer and systray (by
the way ...the sound setting megaphone has disappeared from my
systray) Please Help.I have cable connection. Defrag just spins
its wheels. sometimes it goes to 1% but then drops back
to 0% again.



Try it in DOS. Reboot, press f8, choose option 5 Command Mode only,
and then type DEFRAG. Norton's Speed Disk, the Windows version of
SPEEDISK, included in System Works works much faster than DEFRAG
as it moves disc clusters in groups.

michael adams

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
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Would that work on my machine even though I don't have any other
Norton products?


Try running DEFRAG from DOS first. Try running it overnight if needs be.

The version of Speed Disk you need, came bundled with System Works
2000 or Utilities 2000. There will be "95 98" on top of the box.
Utilities was still unbundled at that stage. These are still widely
available on eBay etc. for peanuts. Don't get later versions as these
are slow as they work with single clusters again and probably won't work
with Win 9* in any case. There are other utilities on there such as Unerase
etc which are also worth having. Norton or any other AV is totally
unecessary
IMO for anyone familiar with Ghost.


michael adams










...

Try it in DOS. Reboot, press f8, choose option 5 Command Mode only,
and then type DEFRAG. Norton's Speed Disk, the Windows version of
SPEEDISK, included in System Works works much faster than DEFRAG
as it moves disc clusters in groups.

michael adams

...


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
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You can't run DEFRAG in DOS mode. Requires Windows.

--

Oops! For DEFRAG read SCANDISK.

Not a lot of use, IOW.


michael adams

....

ME defrager
http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/tec060902.html
--
I`m not a complete idiot, there`s still a few bits missing
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
I suggest you pay attention to Ron Badour's suggestions and also read the
first link in my signature.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
I have windows 98se Dell desktop xps t450 with 387 ram. Computer
Associates
Internet
Security Suite (which I finally got installed correctly? yesterday) .
Now
I can not
defragment my C drive even if I disable all of my VS, firewall,
anti-spyware. and do
a ctrl-alt-delete of everything except explorer and systray (by the way
...the sound
setting megaphone has disappeared from my systray) Please Help.I have
cable
connection. Defrag just spins its wheels. sometimes it goes to 1% but
then
drops back
to 0% again.

Again, Windows DEFRAG is not a DOS app. Must be run from withing Windows,
Normal Mode or Safe Mode (which will be somewhat slower than Normal Mode.)

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"michael adams" wrote in message
...


"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
I have windows 98se Dell desktop xps t450 with 387 ram. Computer
Associates Internet Security Suite (which I finally got installed
correctly? yesterday) . Now I can not defragment my C drive even
if I disable all of my VS, firewall, anti-spyware. and do
a ctrl-alt-delete of everything except explorer and systray (by
the way ...the sound setting megaphone has disappeared from my
systray) Please Help.I have cable connection. Defrag just spins
its wheels. sometimes it goes to 1% but then drops back
to 0% again.



Try it in DOS. Reboot, press f8, choose option 5 Command Mode only,
and then type DEFRAG. Norton's Speed Disk, the Windows version of
SPEEDISK, included in System Works works much faster than DEFRAG
as it moves disc clusters in groups.

michael adams

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
Would that work on my machine even though I don't have any other
Norton products?


Try running DEFRAG from DOS first. Try running it overnight if needs be.

The version of Speed Disk you need, came bundled with System Works
2000 or Utilities 2000. There will be "95 98" on top of the box.
Utilities was still unbundled at that stage. These are still widely
available on eBay etc. for peanuts. Don't get later versions as these
are slow as they work with single clusters again and probably won't work
with Win 9* in any case. There are other utilities on there such as
Unerase
etc which are also worth having. Norton or any other AV is totally
unecessary
IMO for anyone familiar with Ghost.


michael adams










...

Running Scandisk in DOS mode is always a good idea *if* you discover
problems after runninig it in Normal Windows Mode or some event during
Startup produces error messages. What's *always* true with Scandisk is that
you want to never have it automatically fix anything. You always want to
fully investigate any problems that it flags before telling it to fix. Some
errors are common and no problem (free space reporting, for instance.) With
others, if yo uallow Scandisk to "fix", you may be doing more harm than
good. If you allow it to automatically fix, it could quickly turn a minor
problem into a major one, like scrambling ALL of your data trying to fix an
unfixable problem with the physical drive.

Note to readers: Find Scandisk.ini and change all settings that have it
automatically repairing anything to Prompt. Scandisk.ini contains the
settings used by Scandisk when it automatically runs during startup after
some error or a "bad shutdown".

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"michael adams" wrote in message
...



Try it in DOS. Reboot, press f8, choose option 5 Command Mode only,
and then type DEFRAG. Norton's Speed Disk, the Windows version of
SPEEDISK, included in System Works works much faster than DEFRAG
as it moves disc clusters in groups.

michael adams

...


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
You can't run DEFRAG in DOS mode. Requires Windows.

--

Oops! For DEFRAG read SCANDISK.

Not a lot of use, IOW.


michael adams

...

Something went wrong for me. I downloaded it to my desktop after closing running
programs with ctrl-alt-delete. I opened it with WinZip to my desktop. I then
followed your instructions and re-named defrag.exe to defrag.exeOLD. I then dragged
the opened one from my desktop to Windows. It did not ask me anything, but it did not
install it next to defrag.exeOLD. Instead, it put it at the very end of the list.
After I closed windows and re-booted and then looked for it in Windows.....it had
disappeared. Now when I go to run \Windows and press F2 it renames Aim95 DEFR. I have
changed my defrag.exeOLD back to defrag.exe and deleted everything that I downloaded.
Any suggestions from here. (Also at one point I got a message that the download was
corrupt when I was trying to put it back into Windows the second time.)
"kimbo_" wrote in message
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ME defrager
http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/tec060902.html
--
I`m not a complete idiot, there`s still a few bits missing
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
I suggest you pay attention to Ron Badour's suggestions and also read the
first link in my signature.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
I have windows 98se Dell desktop xps t450 with 387 ram. Computer
Associates
Internet
Security Suite (which I finally got installed correctly? yesterday) .
Now
I can not
defragment my C drive even if I disable all of my VS, firewall,
anti-spyware. and do
a ctrl-alt-delete of everything except explorer and systray (by the way
...the sound
setting megaphone has disappeared from my systray) Please Help.I have
cable
connection. Defrag just spins its wheels. sometimes it goes to 1% but
then
drops back
to 0% again.

I was able to defrag from safe mode after doing a scandisk from DOS... after moving
the APLOG folder somewhere. Now I have to find the APLOG folder to replace it. Can
you tell me how to do that?

But my SCANDISK AND DEFRAG STILL DON'T WORK. SO DO I HAVE TO DO THIS ANYTIME I WANT
TO DEFRAG? IT SEEMS THAT IS LIKE TAKING AN ASPERIN. THERE IS STILL A PROBLEM. Any
other suggestions?
"Ron Badour" wrote in message
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TROUBLESHOOTING PROBLEMS WITH DISK DEFRAGMENTER

1. Apply one recommendation at a time and then try Defrag again to see if
it helped.

2. Disable the screensaver, anti virus program and the cable/DSL modem, if
any.

3. Delete the files in the Recycle Bin, the browser cache (Temporary
Internet Files folder if using MSIE) and the Temp, History and Recent
folders. Corrupt files can cause Defrag problems.

4. You may receive a notice indicating the drive was written to and caused
Defrag to restart. This means some process is causing hard drive activity
which interferes with Defrag. Either reboot to safe mode and run Defrag
from there or use EndItAll2, a free program which shuts down nearly all
running programs except Explorer and Systray. Download the program from
he http://www.docsdownloads.com/Tier1/enditall.htm To boot to safe mode
in W98, see: http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q180/9/02.asp

5. It's possible corrupt files in the Cookies and Applog folders will cause
Defrag problems. Since those files contain useful information, you can
either move them to a partition other than the one being Defragged or to
floppy disks. Once Defrag is complete, you can replace the files. If it
appears either folder contains corrupt files, you will either have to try to
determine which files are corrupt, delete all the files and let them rebuild
as part of your normal operations or move the folders during the next Defrag
session. If you run into problems deleting a file because it is corrupt, try
deleting it from a DOS prompt.

6. The first Defrag after installing or upgrading to Win98 may take a
significant amount of time to complete. Also, Defrag may appear to stall
out at the 10% mark; however, this is a common occurrence. As long as there
is disk activity, let Defrag run. The appearance of stalling with W95 may
also occur but it will generally be before 10%.

7. There are plenty of MS Knowledge Base articles on Defrag features and
problems:

W95 How Disk Defragmenter Reports Fragmentation
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q124/9/17.asp

W95 Cannot Defrag Drive Locked By Disk Utility
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q128/9/60.asp

W95 Disk Defragmenter May Seem to Stop Responding
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q136/8/36.asp

W95 Windows 95 Defrag.exe Command-Line Parameters
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q155/3/26.asp

W95/98 Error Message: DEFRAG0026 Make Sure Disk Is Formatted
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q155/4/04.asp

W95/98 Error Message: DEFRAG005 (or DEFRAG006) Error Defragmenting Drive
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q160/0/43.asp

W98 Determining the Programs Disk Defragmenter Optimizes
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q186/0/20.asp

W98 Description of the Disk Defragmenter Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q186/1/71.asp

W98 Third-Party Tool Reports Fragmentation After Running Defrag.exe
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q186/8/84.asp

W95/98 Drive's Contents Have Changed: Restarting
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q186/9/78.asp

W98 Disk Defragmenter Hangs
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q218/1/60.asp

W98 Correct Steps for Disabling Screen Saver During Defrag.exe
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q229/0/57.asp

W95/98 Error Message: DEFRAG009 Computer Does Not Have Enough Free Memory
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q229/1/54.asp

W98 Error Message: DEFRAG00205 Error Defragmenting Drive C
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q238/1/65.asp

W95/98 Defragmenting the Windows Paging (Swap) File
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q240/7/55.asp


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
I have windows 98se Dell desktop xps t450 with 387 ram. Computer Associates
Internet
Security Suite (which I finally got installed correctly? yesterday) . Now
I can not
defragment my C drive even if I disable all of my VS, firewall,
anti-spyware. and do
a ctrl-alt-delete of everything except explorer and systray (by the way
...the sound
setting megaphone has disappeared from my systray) Please Help.I have
cable
connection. Defrag just spins its wheels. sometimes it goes to 1% but then
drops back
to 0% again.

Can you tell me what it means to KILL a program. Does it delete it? or make it
unusable? I hesitate to mark this button because I don't understand the implications.
Any explanation would be appreciated. Ginny

"CdLSRN" wrote in message ...
when I go to http://www.docsdownloads.com/Tier1/enditall.htm it tells me about
enditall 2 but there is no download there. I booted up in dos and tried to type in
scandiscC: and it said that was an incorrect command, I tried it with all kinds
of
spaces and capital s , etc. I am getting nowhere


"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
I don't run a screensaver. and I can not find the Enditall download anywhere on
the
site. It tells all about it but I can not find the actual download to click on.
What
am I missing?


"Ron Badour" wrote in message
...
TROUBLESHOOTING PROBLEMS WITH DISK DEFRAGMENTER

1. Apply one recommendation at a time and then try Defrag again to see if
it helped.

2. Disable the screensaver, anti virus program and the cable/DSL modem, if
any.

3. Delete the files in the Recycle Bin, the browser cache (Temporary
Internet Files folder if using MSIE) and the Temp, History and Recent
folders. Corrupt files can cause Defrag problems.

4. You may receive a notice indicating the drive was written to and caused
Defrag to restart. This means some process is causing hard drive activity
which interferes with Defrag. Either reboot to safe mode and run Defrag
from there or use EndItAll2, a free program which shuts down nearly all
running programs except Explorer and Systray. Download the program from
he http://www.docsdownloads.com/Tier1/enditall.htm To boot to safe mode
in W98, see: http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q180/9/02.asp

5. It's possible corrupt files in the Cookies and Applog folders will cause
Defrag problems. Since those files contain useful information, you can
either move them to a partition other than the one being Defragged or to
floppy disks. Once Defrag is complete, you can replace the files. If it
appears either folder contains corrupt files, you will either have to try to
determine which files are corrupt, delete all the files and let them rebuild
as part of your normal operations or move the folders during the next Defrag
session. If you run into problems deleting a file because it is corrupt, try
deleting it from a DOS prompt.

6. The first Defrag after installing or upgrading to Win98 may take a
significant amount of time to complete. Also, Defrag may appear to stall
out at the 10% mark; however, this is a common occurrence. As long as there
is disk activity, let Defrag run. The appearance of stalling with W95 may
also occur but it will generally be before 10%.

7. There are plenty of MS Knowledge Base articles on Defrag features and
problems:

W95 How Disk Defragmenter Reports Fragmentation
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q124/9/17.asp

W95 Cannot Defrag Drive Locked By Disk Utility
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q128/9/60.asp

W95 Disk Defragmenter May Seem to Stop Responding
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q136/8/36.asp

W95 Windows 95 Defrag.exe Command-Line Parameters
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q155/3/26.asp

W95/98 Error Message: DEFRAG0026 Make Sure Disk Is Formatted
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q155/4/04.asp

W95/98 Error Message: DEFRAG005 (or DEFRAG006) Error Defragmenting Drive
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q160/0/43.asp

W98 Determining the Programs Disk Defragmenter Optimizes
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q186/0/20.asp

W98 Description of the Disk Defragmenter Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q186/1/71.asp

W98 Third-Party Tool Reports Fragmentation After Running Defrag.exe
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q186/8/84.asp

W95/98 Drive's Contents Have Changed: Restarting
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q186/9/78.asp

W98 Disk Defragmenter Hangs
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q218/1/60.asp

W98 Correct Steps for Disabling Screen Saver During Defrag.exe
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q229/0/57.asp

W95/98 Error Message: DEFRAG009 Computer Does Not Have Enough Free Memory
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q229/1/54.asp

W98 Error Message: DEFRAG00205 Error Defragmenting Drive C
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q238/1/65.asp

W95/98 Defragmenting the Windows Paging (Swap) File
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q240/7/55.asp


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"CdLSRN" wrote in message
...
I have windows 98se Dell desktop xps t450 with 387 ram. Computer Associates
Internet
Security Suite (which I finally got installed correctly? yesterday) . Now
I can not
defragment my C drive even if I disable all of my VS, firewall,
anti-spyware. and do
a ctrl-alt-delete of everything except explorer and systray (by the way
...the sound
setting megaphone has disappeared from my systray) Please Help.I have
cable
connection. Defrag just spins its wheels. sometimes it goes to 1% but then
drops back
to 0% again.