Oem cd clarification requested

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
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This is a direct quote from the OEM license agreement dated August 2005:

Paragraph 4.1 - Software Distribution

"If the individual software license is a desktop operating system,
we (Microsoft) grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute individual
software licenses; provided that each one is distributed with either
(a) a 'fully assembled computer system' or (b) a 'non-peripheral computer
hardware component'. A 'fully assembled computer system' means a
computer system consisting of at least a central processing unit,
a motherboard, a hard drive, a power supply, and a case.
A 'non-peripheral computer hardware component' means a component
that will be an integral part of the fully assembled computer system
on which the individual license will be installed."

[end of quote]

If you are a registered Microsoft OEM System Builder, you can
read the entire licensing agreement he
http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Um, mine doesn't say that, either in English or Spanish. Remember, Carey,
you are posting on an international board, not in "America". So, when you
try to give advice, check everything out, not just what's in your Favorites
folder.

Alias

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"Greg Ro" wrote:

| I mean buying an oem cd disk without hardware. Someone in the xp
| group posted that an oem copy can now be sold without having the
| hardware included. This person said a Microsoft person told him
| this.
|
| Greg Ro

That is an agreement between MS and builders like Dell, you moron!

Individual builders that build their own computers DO NOT have to buy
hardware with their XP purchase in all countries and in the USA, you can get
them with a mouse like at Walmarts, the url of which I already posted and
you chose to ignore that and spam the newsgroup with an irrevelant post.

Alias
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
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No, "that person" is not correct! Final and honest answer:

Direct quote from the OEM license agreement dated August 2005:

Paragraph 4.1 - Software Distribution

"If the individual software license is a desktop operating system,
we (Microsoft) grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute individual
software licenses; provided that each one is distributed with either
(a) a 'fully assembled computer system' or (b) a 'non-peripheral computer
hardware component'. A 'fully assembled computer system' means a
computer system consisting of at least a central processing unit,
a motherboard, a hard drive, a power supply, and a case.
A 'non-peripheral computer hardware component' means a component
that will be an integral part of the fully assembled computer system
on which the individual license will be installed."

[end of quote]

If you are a registered Microsoft OEM System Builder, you can
read the entire licensing agreement he
http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

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"Greg Ro" wrote:

| Oem cd clarification requested
|
| I have read a post in the xp group that said the hardware requirement
| was dropped for all windows operating system including older operating
| systems like win95,98se, me, e.t.c.
|
| Is this person correct?
|
| Greg Ro

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:55:39 +0100, "Noel Paton"
wrote:

That does NOT apply, since no Win Me OEM has been sold by Microsoft for
some time.

Actual you can still buy them on the web-I am not talking ebay.


Greg R

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Don't you think . . . ., Carey?

The answer to that more general question would be no.

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

It has been my experience with activating OEM the only two
things that _Microsoft_ wants to know is if the OEM came
preinstalled and if it is installed on one machine.
I don't know where these people are coming up with all this
hoo haa about this.

"Mike M" wrote in message
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You do appear to have problems in understanding that what applies in the
US may or may not apply elsewhere. Simple really but apparently something
that' appears to be way beyond your ability to comprehend. Instead you
fallback on boring everyone but repeatedly cutting and pasting the same
message irrespective of its applicability.
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Mike Maltby



Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

Direct quote from the OEM license agreement dated August 2005:

Paragraph 4.1 - Software Distribution

"If the individual software license is a desktop operating system,
we (Microsoft) grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute individual
software licenses; provided that each one is distributed with either
(a) a 'fully assembled computer system' or (b) a 'non-peripheral
computer hardware component'. A 'fully assembled computer system'
means a computer system consisting of at least a central processing
unit,
a motherboard, a hard drive, a power supply, and a case.
A 'non-peripheral computer hardware component' means a component
that will be an integral part of the fully assembled computer system
on which the individual license will be installed."

[end of quote]

If you are a registered Microsoft OEM System Builder, you can
read the entire licensing agreement he
http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx

Just plumb dumb....

"Alias" wrote in message
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote

Those stores are then in violation of the marketing agreement
they have with Microsoft.

LOL! No, Carey, you are wrong. Walmart isn't exactly a small store and I
don't see MS doing jack sh*t about it, do you? Why is it so difficult for
you to admit you made a mistake? Ego?

Alias

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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

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"Alias" wrote:

| Wrong. I have bought three and have a friend who has bought around
fifity
| generic OEM XPs with no hardware. In Spain and many other European
| countries, OEMs are bought without any hardware and a retail rip off
version
| is almost impossible to find. Want urls from the major computer stores
in
| Spain as proof?
|
| If you go he
|
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...%3A3951%3A3954
| you will see that Walmart sells generic OEMs with -- get this -- a
| peripheral (external) mouse.
|
| Soooooooo, your post is completely wrong. Better luck next time.
|
| Alias

Anyone that wishes to purchase and distribute Microsoft OEM licenses must
register as a "System Builder" with Microsoft, regardless if they really
never intend to build a computer. The license agreement I referenced is what
the registered System Builder agreed to. If they choose to discredit their
veracity by ignoring what they agreed to, then they have an ethical issue.
If Walmart wants you to purchase a mouse, instead of a 5 cent internal audio
cable, then they have an "ethical issue" since they are forcing you to spend
more money then you really have to in order to comply with the agreement.

The System Builder agreement reads the same, regardless of the country the
System Builder resides in. I just translated the Spanish version and it
reads the same as the English version.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User


"Alias" wrote:

That is an agreement between MS and builders like Dell, you moron!

Individual builders that build their own computers DO NOT have to buy
hardware with their XP purchase in all countries and in the USA, you can get
them with a mouse like at Walmarts, the url of which I already posted and
you chose to ignore that and spam the newsgroup with an irrevelant post.

Alias

No I don't think it is. Microsoft has a habit of sleazy behaviour. In =
fact they will choose sleaze even if not to their advantage. They KNOW =
about this (and have for over a year). Yet they do nothing.

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Mike M wrote:
Correction:

The EU certainly does have strict IP and contract laws however these
are not those of the US, a country that despite pretensions to the
contrary, does not as yet rule the world...


Thanks for giving at least one American citizen a very hearty laugh.




and therefore whose laws
have little applicability outside its boundaries.

There are parts of the world (China, India, North Korea, some parts
of the EU, for example) that do not recognize the intellectual
property and contract laws of other nations, so yes, there are some
places where one can purchase an OEM license without an accompanying
piece of non-peripheral hardware.

To get the specifics, ask this question of the person who first made
the claim. He should be able to back up his assertion with some sort
of real documentation or a link to an official Microsoft web site
that makes such a statement. Claiming that "... a Microsoft person
told him..." isn't particularly helpful, as, for all we know, he
could have been talking to a janitor, rather than a member of
Microsoft's legal staff.

A cable doesn't qualify. As Walmart is selling something they are not =
allowed to therefore they can't license. Therefore all walmart customers =
are pirates.

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Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
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