MS05-002 on 9x and ME

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
And you keep right on doing exactly what you are doing.

We'll keep an eye on it. Rolling back to IE 5.5 is not an acceptable
resolution in my book.

No arguments there, but it's the only one that works. Having Explorer
hang and crash is also not an option.

Rick T



Rick Chauvin wrote:

...understood, but I just had to try.

thanks Gary,

Rick

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Jerry B. is going to read any replies to
his post. It was a notice, nothing more. They've been able to repro the
issue, which usually means that further user input is probably not
needed. We just have to wait to see what they work out.

However, I *did* drop your entire post into the same hopper I used for
the KB891711 issue (the track that finally got some action, or at least
some public acknowledgement of the problem.) We'll have to wait to see
what, if anything, comes of it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...

PA Bear wrote:

X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the
issue
about which you post.


Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the
link I
gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important issue
that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP is
about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.


(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)


Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to, but
surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2 years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about was
never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem does
exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it
wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick

Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Rick T wrote:
Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

And you keep right on doing exactly what you are doing.

We'll keep an eye on it. Rolling back to IE 5.5 is not an acceptable
resolution in my book.


No arguments there, but it's the only one that works. Having Explorer
hang and crash is also not an option.

Rick T



Rick Chauvin wrote:

...understood, but I just had to try.

thanks Gary,

Rick

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Jerry B. is going to read any replies to
his post. It was a notice, nothing more. They've been able to repro the
issue, which usually means that further user input is probably not
needed. We just have to wait to see what they work out.

However, I *did* drop your entire post into the same hopper I used for
the KB891711 issue (the track that finally got some action, or at least
some public acknowledgement of the problem.) We'll have to wait to see
what, if anything, comes of it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...

PA Bear wrote:

X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the
issue
about which you post.



Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the
link I
gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important
issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP is
about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.


(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)



Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to, but
surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2 years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about was
never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem does
exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it
wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick

Norman
Could you please run Everest on both PC's and send me the reports?

TIA

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

In fond memory of one of life's Gentlemen - Alex Nichol
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"N. Miller" wrote in message
om...
In article , John Corliss says...

Sorry, I meant to say that it MIGHT have gotten me. I never tried
reinstalling just KB888113 to see if the problem returned.

Give it a shot. I only installed that on my second computer after having
to
remove KB891711 from my first computer. Currently, both computers are
running KB888113 without issue. Oddly, the second computer runs KB891711
without issue; only the first is choking on it.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

Upgrading to IE 6 SP1 (or IE 6 by itself) is what resulted in that file copy
and delete problem in the first place, for Win98 users! That's what
Frank's DLL swapping solution resolves. (
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm )

I can bear testimony to that, cause that's where I'm at now. The only
other alternative was to rollback to IE 5.5 SP2 - or just live with the
problem, which I'm not willing to do.

Rick T wrote:
As I recall, that doesn't work.

Rick T

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Rick T wrote:

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

And you keep right on doing exactly what you are doing.

We'll keep an eye on it. Rolling back to IE 5.5 is not an acceptable
resolution in my book.

No arguments there, but it's the only one that works. Having Explorer
hang and crash is also not an option.

Rick T

Rick Chauvin wrote:

...understood, but I just had to try.

thanks Gary,

Rick

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Jerry B. is going to read any replies to
his post. It was a notice, nothing more. They've been able to repro
the
issue, which usually means that further user input is probably not
needed. We just have to wait to see what they work out.

However, I *did* drop your entire post into the same hopper I used
for
the KB891711 issue (the track that finally got some action, or at
least
some public acknowledgement of the problem.) We'll have to wait to
see
what, if anything, comes of it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...

PA Bear wrote:

X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the
issue about which you post.

Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the
link I gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant
MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important
issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP
is about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.

(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)

Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to,
but surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been
well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2
years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about
was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem
does exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it
wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just
today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is
onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick

As I recall, that doesn't work.

Rick T

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Rick T wrote:

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

And you keep right on doing exactly what you are doing.

We'll keep an eye on it. Rolling back to IE 5.5 is not an acceptable
resolution in my book.



No arguments there, but it's the only one that works. Having Explorer
hang and crash is also not an option.

Rick T



Rick Chauvin wrote:

...understood, but I just had to try.

thanks Gary,

Rick

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Jerry B. is going to read any replies to
his post. It was a notice, nothing more. They've been able to repro
the
issue, which usually means that further user input is probably not
needed. We just have to wait to see what they work out.

However, I *did* drop your entire post into the same hopper I used for
the KB891711 issue (the track that finally got some action, or at
least
some public acknowledgement of the problem.) We'll have to wait to see
what, if anything, comes of it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...

PA Bear wrote:

X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the
issue
about which you post.




Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the
link I
gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant
MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important
issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP
is about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.


(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)




Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to,
but surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been
well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2 years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about
was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem
does exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it
wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just
today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick

"PA Bear" wrote in message ...
X-Posting to WinME and Security NGs eliminated. F/U set to Win98 General.

OK, except nobody has yet convinced me that the issue doesn't exist on Windows Me systems too!


Who's Robert?

I continue to disagree with you and ChrisQ about the problem. While it may
be machine-related, I don't believe it's related to any particular Windows
Update or IE6 SP1. If it were, we'd see many more Win98 users with the
problem.

...The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem does exist
for W98x.

Have all of those suffering from this problem installed IE6 SP1 and further,
post-SP1 updates? They have been /the/ fix for the vast majority of Win98
users.

I've seen the problem on all the 4 Windows 98 machines with IE 6 SP1 I've dealt with. I don't actually recall whether the problem existed with IE 6 gold, but I assume it did. Clearly the issue is related to IE 6, since the IE 5.5 "solution" does eliminate this problem (probably with some other caveats).

--
~PA Bear

Rick Chauvin wrote:
PA Bear wrote:
X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the issue
about which you post.

Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the link I
gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP is about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.

(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)

Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to, but surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2 years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem does exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick


--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security

Mastering Newsgroups in Outlook Express
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...ewsgroups.mspx

Rick Chauvin wrote:
Jerry Bryant,

I do appreciate MS re-working this 891711 issue. Thank you to MS.

Let me take this opportunity to ask you to pass this along as well in
high hopes this problem will be addressed once and for all. It's a
big problem for 9x users and I can't imagine it's anything but
embarrassing for MS to leave this bug the way it is. We even have
people making webpages talking about and trying to help people get
around the problem.
Please show this link to whomever is in charge as it outlines the
problem I'm speaking of pretty well, which has been talked about in
the 9x group for 2 years now, and so please ask them to finally fix
what the problem is, please, thank you.

http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

Rick


Jerry Bryant [MSFT] wrote:
Microsoft has received reports about issues with KB891711 on
Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. At this point, we have
been able to confirm these reports and are currently working on a
resolution.

Please note that by uninstalling the current update, the machine
will return to a vulnerable state. At this point, we are currently
not aware of customer's being exploited by way of the vulnerability
fixed in MS05-002 on Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows ME. If
you need additional assistance regarding this update, please
contact +1 (866) PCSAFETY. When calling, please indicate that you
are having issues with a security update. --
Regards,

Jerry Bryant - MCSE, MCDBA
Microsoft IT Communities

Get Secure! www.microsoft.com/security


This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

Noel Paton wrote:

John
could you please download and run Everest Home Edition (www.lavalys.hu) and
send me a full report? my email addy is valid.

Hmm..... I use Aida, Everest's precursor. But a "full" report? That's
giving you a whole lot of info, some of it stuff that I may not want
anybody else to have. Heck, I don't even understand some of it and don't
know whether or not I should provide it to others. And that's 84 pages
of stuff to sift through in order to edit that info out...

Sorry Noel, it's nice of you to offer to help and I mean no offense, but
frankly I'd rather not do this.

--
Regards from John Corliss

The info I am aware of is that IE6 caused the problem, and IE6 SP1 remedied it. Did
you in fact actually upgrade to IE6 SP1 to see if there was an improvement?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Upgrading to IE 6 SP1 (or IE 6 by itself) is what resulted in that file copy
and delete problem in the first place, for Win98 users! That's what
Frank's DLL swapping solution resolves. (
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm )

I can bear testimony to that, cause that's where I'm at now. The only
other alternative was to rollback to IE 5.5 SP2 - or just live with the
problem, which I'm not willing to do.

Rick T wrote:
As I recall, that doesn't work.

Rick T

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Rick T wrote:

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

And you keep right on doing exactly what you are doing.

We'll keep an eye on it. Rolling back to IE 5.5 is not an acceptable
resolution in my book.

No arguments there, but it's the only one that works. Having Explorer
hang and crash is also not an option.

Rick T

Rick Chauvin wrote:

...understood, but I just had to try.

thanks Gary,

Rick

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Jerry B. is going to read any replies to
his post. It was a notice, nothing more. They've been able to repro
the
issue, which usually means that further user input is probably not
needed. We just have to wait to see what they work out.

However, I *did* drop your entire post into the same hopper I used
for
the KB891711 issue (the track that finally got some action, or at
least
some public acknowledgement of the problem.) We'll have to wait to
see
what, if anything, comes of it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...

PA Bear wrote:

X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the
issue about which you post.

Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the
link I gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant
MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important
issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP
is about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.

(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)

Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to,
but surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been
well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2
years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about
was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem
does exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it
wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just
today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is
onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick

Did you try it yourself, or are you going on what someone else told you? Have you
installed IE6 SP1 yourself to see if it fixed the problem?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
As I recall, that doesn't work.

Rick T

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Rick T wrote:

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

And you keep right on doing exactly what you are doing.

We'll keep an eye on it. Rolling back to IE 5.5 is not an acceptable
resolution in my book.



No arguments there, but it's the only one that works. Having Explorer
hang and crash is also not an option.

Rick T



Rick Chauvin wrote:

...understood, but I just had to try.

thanks Gary,

Rick

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Jerry B. is going to read any replies to
his post. It was a notice, nothing more. They've been able to repro
the
issue, which usually means that further user input is probably not
needed. We just have to wait to see what they work out.

However, I *did* drop your entire post into the same hopper I used for
the KB891711 issue (the track that finally got some action, or at
least
some public acknowledgement of the problem.) We'll have to wait to see
what, if anything, comes of it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...

PA Bear wrote:

X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the
issue
about which you post.




Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the
link I
gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant
MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important
issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP
is about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.


(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)




Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to,
but surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been
well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2 years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about
was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem
does exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it
wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just
today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick

I can understand that - send me what you feel comfortable with.
It's the hardware info, and the drivers that I'm most concerned with

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

In fond memory of one of life's Gentlemen - Alex Nichol
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"John Corliss" wrote in message
...
Noel Paton wrote:

John
could you please download and run Everest Home Edition (www.lavalys.hu)
and send me a full report? my email addy is valid.

Hmm..... I use Aida, Everest's precursor. But a "full" report? That's
giving you a whole lot of info, some of it stuff that I may not want
anybody else to have. Heck, I don't even understand some of it and don't
know whether or not I should provide it to others. And that's 84 pages of
stuff to sift through in order to edit that info out...

Sorry Noel, it's nice of you to offer to help and I mean no offense, but
frankly I'd rather not do this.

--
Regards from John Corliss