Working with BING

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

Please delete all partitions. Then look in "View MBR" and click on
"Standard MBR". Then go back and create new partitions.

Done

I'm concerned that a drive overlay may exist. I haven't been following
the previous mega-thread except in a very cursory manner. Are you
certain that no overlay exists

I have no knowledge, but the drive capacity jumped from 7.5 GB to about 10
GB due to a bios change, don't know if that effects what you said.

(you'd probably use the drive
manufacturer's own tools to determine this and remove the overlay if
present.)

That's a strange one. Now, even will all partitions removed, free space =
97XX MB, the Fujitsu diag util that did run fine, now still refuses to
regognize the hard drive. So it can't check the hard drive, but before, it
scanned the entire drive and checked OK several times.

I've never seen that ANP notation in BING and don't know what it
means. In my experience, MBR Entry ## is the usual label that's
applied to all Primary Partitions BING creates. You might want to
check out BING Support, especially the BING forums.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html

There is a paragraph on that page called "TeraByte Sponsored
Newsgroups".


I recreated new partitions,
Each partition was created entirely normal, in each, the drive checked for
errors OK. Each one is created with MBR label, but the first name does not
look like a Primary partition? Here is what I see, then will finish the
comment.

JES IBR ANP-0 Partition 2494 MB Fat32
JES IBR ANP-1 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32
MBR Entry 2 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32

The last partition is the right size, but should have left about 2400MB
free space, like it did before, for a 4th partition. It did not. And as
soon as it was created, the "errors exist" legend appeared.

Comment on above results?- before I go to that newsgroup.

Up to now, I had no indication there's anything wrong with this hard drive.

ms

ms wrote in :

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

Please delete all partitions. Then look in "View MBR" and click on
"Standard MBR". Then go back and create new partitions.

Done

I'm concerned that a drive overlay may exist. I haven't been
following the previous mega-thread except in a very cursory manner.
Are you certain that no overlay exists

I have no knowledge, but the drive capacity jumped from 7.5 GB to
about 10 GB due to a bios change, don't know if that effects what you
said.

(you'd probably use the drive
manufacturer's own tools to determine this and remove the overlay if
present.)

That's a strange one. Now, even will all partitions removed, free
space = 97XX MB, the Fujitsu diag util that did run fine, now still
refuses to regognize the hard drive. So it can't check the hard drive,
but before, it scanned the entire drive and checked OK several times.

I've never seen that ANP notation in BING and don't know what it
means. In my experience, MBR Entry ## is the usual label that's
applied to all Primary Partitions BING creates. You might want to
check out BING Support, especially the BING forums.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html

There is a paragraph on that page called "TeraByte Sponsored
Newsgroups".


I recreated new partitions,
Each partition was created entirely normal, in each, the drive checked
for errors OK. Each one is created with MBR label, but the first name
does not look like a Primary partition? Here is what I see, then will
finish the comment.

JES IBR ANP-0 Partition 2494 MB Fat32
JES IBR ANP-1 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32
MBR Entry 2 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32

The last partition is the right size, but should have left about
2400MB free space, like it did before, for a 4th partition. It did
not. And as soon as it was created, the "errors exist" legend
appeared.

Comment on above results?- before I go to that newsgroup.

Up to now, I had no indication there's anything wrong with this hard
drive.

ms


More data, I ran a DOS version of Aida, a system analysis utility.

Its says:
BIOS is Award ver. 4.51PG

The first hd partition is active.

Hard drive is described as BUJIP5Q IPA3102AP, this was the reported
Fujitsu model number before.

Capacity 9773 MB EIDE

9767 MB BIOS

It shows 3 partitions, 4th is empty.

ms

You used this one from Fujitsu?
http://www.fis.fujitsu.com/support/d...fjdt_v6.61.zip

Note, the version is 6.61. When you say it worked before, was that before
you used the LBA setting in BIOS? Has this BIOS been upgraded to the latest
firmware? (I'm sure there are questions here that were answered in that BIG
thread, but it got soooo confusing... Bear with me.)

Not sure what's going on with BING, but if it doesn't see the full size of
the disk... Have you gone and changed anything in BIOS today? I have to
think that if LBA-enabled is required to access the full capacity, but
you're getting these weird errors with LBA enabled (and the Fujitsu diags
think the disk is fine with no LBA enabled) then either your BIOS is goofy
or the disk itself is goofy. BING reporting error(s) and this new anomaly of
BING only being able to create approx. the same amount of partition as it
would be without LBA enabled...

You see what I'm getting at? Something is wrong, and it can only be BIOS or
the disk itself. I'm tend to think it's the BIOS, frankly. If you've
recently flashed it, perhaps it was the wrong upgrade? Hope you wrote down
the original BIOS string.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm


"ms" wrote in message ...
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

Please delete all partitions. Then look in "View MBR" and click on
"Standard MBR". Then go back and create new partitions.

Done

I'm concerned that a drive overlay may exist. I haven't been following
the previous mega-thread except in a very cursory manner. Are you
certain that no overlay exists

I have no knowledge, but the drive capacity jumped from 7.5 GB to about 10
GB due to a bios change, don't know if that effects what you said.

(you'd probably use the drive
manufacturer's own tools to determine this and remove the overlay if
present.)

That's a strange one. Now, even will all partitions removed, free space =
97XX MB, the Fujitsu diag util that did run fine, now still refuses to
regognize the hard drive. So it can't check the hard drive, but before, it
scanned the entire drive and checked OK several times.

I've never seen that ANP notation in BING and don't know what it
means. In my experience, MBR Entry ## is the usual label that's
applied to all Primary Partitions BING creates. You might want to
check out BING Support, especially the BING forums.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html

There is a paragraph on that page called "TeraByte Sponsored
Newsgroups".


I recreated new partitions,
Each partition was created entirely normal, in each, the drive checked for
errors OK. Each one is created with MBR label, but the first name does not
look like a Primary partition? Here is what I see, then will finish the
comment.

JES IBR ANP-0 Partition 2494 MB Fat32
JES IBR ANP-1 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32
MBR Entry 2 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32

The last partition is the right size, but should have left about 2400MB
free space, like it did before, for a 4th partition. It did not. And as
soon as it was created, the "errors exist" legend appeared.

Comment on above results?- before I go to that newsgroup.

Up to now, I had no indication there's anything wrong with this hard
drive.

ms

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

You used this one from Fujitsu?
http://www.fis.fujitsu.com/support/d...fjdt_v6.61.zip

Note, the version is 6.61.

Yes
When you say it worked before, was that
before you used the LBA setting in BIOS?

I believe the LBA setting was unchanged? I changed User to Auto in
Primary Master, before that the fujitsu utl worked.

Has this BIOS been upgraded
to the latest firmware? (I'm sure there are questions here that were
answered in that BIG thread, but it got soooo confusing... Bear with
me.)

No, no upgrade, and I don't plan that.

Not sure what's going on with BING, but if it doesn't see the full
size of the disk...
Except just today, after the BIOS change above, and I deleted the old
partitions, it showed the 9767 (?) OK.

Have you gone and changed anything in BIOS today?

See above.
I have to think that if LBA-enabled is required to access the full
capacity, but you're getting these weird errors with LBA enabled (and
the Fujitsu diags think the disk is fine with no LBA enabled) then
either your BIOS is goofy or the disk itself is goofy. BING reporting
error(s) and this new anomaly of BING only being able to create
approx. the same amount of partition as it would be without LBA
enabled...

You see what I'm getting at? Something is wrong, and it can only be
BIOS or the disk itself. I'm tend to think it's the BIOS, frankly. If
you've recently flashed it, perhaps it was the wrong upgrade? Hope you
wrote down the original BIOS string.


I know what I did, PCR is aware of it in the last thread,
----
BIOS screen on bootup,
| Primary Master LBA, UDMA 66, 10247 MB
|
| Standard Cmos Setup screen:
| Primary Master Auto
| Slave None
| Secondary Master Auto
| Slave None
|
| IDE Autodetect:
| 2 (Y) 10241 1245 cyl .... LBA mode
|
| 1 10248 19856 Normal
|
| 3 10248 2482 Large

Well, that certainly looks good now, getting the full hard drive. I was
overjoyed! There certainly are a huge number of screens in there,
though, & I must wonder whether something else is being missed. I've
posted the older settings below for someone to comment.
----
How does this relate to your comment on LBA?

Also, in your other reply, Resize, I click on a partition, click Resize,
get a screen freeze when it starts checking for errors. This happened
twice, in DOS ?????

Pretty tired so I will check in tomorrow.

And thanks for the help, Gary.

ms

On 8 Oct 2006 23:15:18 GMT, ms put finger to keyboard
and composed:

ms wrote in :

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

Please delete all partitions. Then look in "View MBR" and click on
"Standard MBR". Then go back and create new partitions.

Done

I'm concerned that a drive overlay may exist. I haven't been
following the previous mega-thread except in a very cursory manner.
Are you certain that no overlay exists

IIRC the OP performed an Fdisk /MBR from a startup diskette. That
should have trashed any overlay.

I have no knowledge, but the drive capacity jumped from 7.5 GB to
about 10 GB due to a bios change, don't know if that effects what you
said.

(you'd probably use the drive
manufacturer's own tools to determine this and remove the overlay if
present.)

That's a strange one. Now, even will all partitions removed, free
space = 97XX MB, the Fujitsu diag util that did run fine, now still
refuses to regognize the hard drive. So it can't check the hard drive,
but before, it scanned the entire drive and checked OK several times.

I've never seen that ANP notation in BING and don't know what it
means. In my experience, MBR Entry ## is the usual label that's
applied to all Primary Partitions BING creates. You might want to
check out BING Support, especially the BING forums.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html

There is a paragraph on that page called "TeraByte Sponsored
Newsgroups".


I recreated new partitions,
Each partition was created entirely normal, in each, the drive checked
for errors OK. Each one is created with MBR label, but the first name
does not look like a Primary partition? Here is what I see, then will
finish the comment.

JES IBR ANP-0 Partition 2494 MB Fat32
JES IBR ANP-1 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32
MBR Entry 2 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32

The last partition is the right size, but should have left about
2400MB free space, like it did before, for a 4th partition. It did
not. And as soon as it was created, the "errors exist" legend
appeared.

Comment on above results?- before I go to that newsgroup.

Up to now, I had no indication there's anything wrong with this hard
drive.

ms


More data, I ran a DOS version of Aida, a system analysis utility.

Its says:
BIOS is Award ver. 4.51PG

The first hd partition is active.

Hard drive is described as BUJIP5Q IPA3102AP, this was the reported
Fujitsu model number before.

Did Aida really return those ID strings?

Shouldn't ...

BUJIP5Q IPA3102AP

.... really be ...

FUJITSU MPE3102AT ? (or MPE3102AP ?)

If so, then it is no wonder that a Fujitsu diagnostic doesn't
recognise a "BUJIP5Q" (or was it BUJIPSQ ?) hard disc.

If you analyse the ASCII bit patterns for each of the errant
characters, you will see that they all differ in bit 2

B 42h F 46h
P 50h T 54h
Q 51h U 55h
I 49h M 4Dh
A 41h E 45h

I'd suspect that there is something wrong with your IDE cable, or your
HD's or motherboard's IDE connector, probably at pin 13 or pin 8.

Capacity 9773 MB EIDE

9767 MB BIOS

It shows 3 partitions, 4th is empty.

ms

I think the difference of 6MB may represent the reserved last cylinder
plus any "surplus" sectors.

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

On 8 Oct 2006 22:49:15 GMT, ms put finger to keyboard
and composed:
I recreated new partitions,
Each partition was created entirely normal, in each, the drive checked for
errors OK. Each one is created with MBR label, but the first name does not
look like a Primary partition? Here is what I see, then will finish the
comment.

JES IBR ANP-0 Partition 2494 MB Fat32
JES IBR ANP-1 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32
MBR Entry 2 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32

More problems with bit 3? (see my other post)

IBR = MBR ?
ANP = ENT ?
JES = NEW ?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

You may be on to something. And if this thread gets like the other one, with
people repeating gobs of irrelevant data and going over and over the same
crap and diverging into all kinds of archania, entirely losing sight of the
GOAL in the process, I'm outta here. Not referring to this particular post,
Franc, just taking this opportunity to make that comment in general. This
means you, MEB, and you too, PCR. I'd like to help MS *fix* the problem, not
just chew the gristle.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On 8 Oct 2006 22:49:15 GMT, ms put finger to keyboard
and composed:
I recreated new partitions,
Each partition was created entirely normal, in each, the drive checked for
errors OK. Each one is created with MBR label, but the first name does not
look like a Primary partition? Here is what I see, then will finish the
comment.

JES IBR ANP-0 Partition 2494 MB Fat32
JES IBR ANP-1 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32
MBR Entry 2 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32

More problems with bit 3? (see my other post)

IBR = MBR ?
ANP = ENT ?
JES = NEW ?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Fine then I'll tell you all one more time he has corrupted the disk code
when he ran the Maxtor tool.
He has also fdisked and formatted numerous times with the improper disk CHS.
Correct that and he has a chance of using the disk.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
| You may be on to something. And if this thread gets like the other one,
with
| people repeating gobs of irrelevant data and going over and over the same
| crap and diverging into all kinds of archania, entirely losing sight of
the
| GOAL in the process, I'm outta here. Not referring to this particular
post,
| Franc, just taking this opportunity to make that comment in general. This
| means you, MEB, and you too, PCR. I'd like to help MS *fix* the problem,
not
| just chew the gristle.
|
| --
|
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
|
| "Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
| ...
| On 8 Oct 2006 22:49:15 GMT, ms put finger to keyboard
| and composed:
| I recreated new partitions,
| Each partition was created entirely normal, in each, the drive checked
for
| errors OK. Each one is created with MBR label, but the first name does
not
| look like a Primary partition? Here is what I see, then will finish the
| comment.
|
| JES IBR ANP-0 Partition 2494 MB Fat32
| JES IBR ANP-1 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32
| MBR Entry 2 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32
|
| More problems with bit 3? (see my other post)
|
| IBR = MBR ?
| ANP = ENT ?
| JES = NEW ?
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
|
|

Add to first sentence:
Fine then I'll tell you all one more time he has corrupted the disk code
when he ran the Maxtor tool "with the incorrect BIOS setting".

NOTE: this is the only post I will place in this discussion.
Good Luck



"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
| Fine then I'll tell you all one more time he has corrupted the disk code
| when he ran the Maxtor tool.
| He has also fdisked and formatted numerous times with the improper disk
CHS.
| Correct that and he has a chance of using the disk.
|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
| BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
| world"
|
| "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
| Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as
if
| nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
| Or to put it another way:
| Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
| but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
| _______________
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
| ...
| | You may be on to something. And if this thread gets like the other one,
| with
| | people repeating gobs of irrelevant data and going over and over the
same
| | crap and diverging into all kinds of archania, entirely losing sight of
| the
| | GOAL in the process, I'm outta here. Not referring to this particular
| post,
| | Franc, just taking this opportunity to make that comment in general.
This
| | means you, MEB, and you too, PCR. I'd like to help MS *fix* the problem,
| not
| | just chew the gristle.
| |
| | --
| |
| | Gary S. Terhune
| | MS-MVP Shell/User
| | http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| | http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
| |
| | "Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
| | ...
| | - Franc Zabkar
| | --
| | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
| |
| |
|
|
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 00:26:35 -0400, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Add to first sentence:
Fine then I'll tell you all one more time he has corrupted the disk code
when he ran the Maxtor tool ...

See page 105 and 106 of the Fujitsu Product Manual for the MPE3xxxAT
series:

http://www.fis.fujitsu.com/support/d...s/PB14_PM1.PDF

Table 5.7 lists the drive's response to the diagnostic command. If the
drive's EEPROM was corrupted, as would be the case if it was
misreporting its model number, then the drive would return a ROM
checksum error which means it would be dead.

Table 5.7 Diagnostic code

Code Result of diagnostic

X‘01’ No error detected.
X‘03’ Data buffer compare error
X‘05’ ROM sum check error
X‘8x’ Failure of device 1

... "with the incorrect BIOS setting".

The manufacturer's diagnostic would most likely bypass the BIOS when
accessing the HD. In fact that's what overlays do.

NOTE: this is the only post I will place in this discussion.

Likewise.

Good Luck

I think it's time the OP called in a professional. Otherwise, if he's
willing to open up the box, I would have him test the IDE cable by
using different combinations of the connectors, eg use the middle
connector instead of the end one, and swap the motherboard end for the
drive end. Oh, and jumper the drive as Master rather than Cable
Select.

If the OP has a CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive on a secondary IDE port, then he
could swap the two cables.

- Franc Zabkar
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