Working with BING

Subject: Everest Report
Date: 8 Oct 2006 19:17:10 GMT
From: ms
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

ms wrote in :

"PCR" wrote in news:uIugB5v6GHA.2364
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:


But what does this line mean, then? Has it changed...?...

Primary Master User 7921 MB ....LBA

... If so, to what? If it now says "Auto" there, does it still say
just 7921 MB? Is it still LBA? Could be you also need to delete those
empty partitions you've got before the BIOS will detect the hard
drive right. But I just don't know, not for sure.

Good news
In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32 partitions.
They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the last
one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is active.
Does BING do that automatically?

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the screen
is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each partition,
no error notation.

Comment?

ms

Sorry, editing

This post should read:
In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32
partitions. They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the
last one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is
active. Does BING do that automatically?

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the
screen is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each
partition, no error notation.

Comment?

ms

ms wrote in :

Sorry, editing

This post should read:
In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32
partitions. They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the
last one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is
active. Does BING do that automatically?

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the
screen is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each
partition, no error notation.

Comment?

ms



BIOS screen on bootup,
Primary Master LBA, UDMA 66, 10247 MB

Standard Cmos Setup screen:
Primary Master Auto
Slave None
Secondary Master Auto
Slave None

IDE Autodetect:
2 (Y) 10241 1245 cyl .... LBA mode

1 10248 19856 Normal

3 10248 2482 Large

When I ran the Fujitsu diag, (it always ran fine before), it opened and
detects a non-Fujitsu hard drive! It won't run, and the only difference
is the BIOS is set to Auto.

Two issues:
a. BING says errors present, doesn't show them.

b. now the Fujitsu util does not detect the Fujitsu hard drive.

ms

The Quirke one just reminded me of how I use BING to check partitions.
Select the partition and then click on Resize. The first thing it will do is
check the partition. It's only a fast check, and it won't tell you anything
about the nature of the error(s) found, if any... I *think*... , and it
won't fix anything. For that you'll need to run a real disk checking tool.

Personally, I'd leave the partitions the way they are, then use some disk
checking tool on them, and if bad sectors are found, toss that HD into the
trash -- unless this is only a play machine and you're willing to risk
losing everything on it when the disk continues to go bad, and it *will*
continue to go bad.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"ms" wrote in message ...
ms wrote in :

Sorry, editing

This post should read:
In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32
partitions. They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the
last one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is
active. Does BING do that automatically?

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the
screen is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each
partition, no error notation.

Comment?

ms



BIOS screen on bootup,
Primary Master LBA, UDMA 66, 10247 MB

Standard Cmos Setup screen:
Primary Master Auto
Slave None
Secondary Master Auto
Slave None

IDE Autodetect:
2 (Y) 10241 1245 cyl .... LBA mode

1 10248 19856 Normal

3 10248 2482 Large

When I ran the Fujitsu diag, (it always ran fine before), it opened and
detects a non-Fujitsu hard drive! It won't run, and the only difference
is the BIOS is set to Auto.

Two issues:
a. BING says errors present, doesn't show them.

b. now the Fujitsu util does not detect the Fujitsu hard drive.

ms

"ms" wrote in message
...
| ms wrote in :
|
| Sorry, editing
|
| This post should read:
| In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32
| partitions. They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free
space.
|
| The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the
| last one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition
is
| active. Does BING do that automatically?
|
| When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
| formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the
| screen is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each
| partition, no error notation.
|
| Comment?
|
| ms
|
|
|
| BIOS screen on bootup,
| Primary Master LBA, UDMA 66, 10247 MB
|
| Standard Cmos Setup screen:
| Primary Master Auto
| Slave None
| Secondary Master Auto
| Slave None
|
| IDE Autodetect:
| 2 (Y) 10241 1245 cyl .... LBA mode
|
| 1 10248 19856 Normal
|
| 3 10248 2482 Large

Well, that certainly looks good now, getting the full hard drive. I was
overjoyed! There certainly are a huge number of screens in there,
though, & I must wonder whether something else is being missed. I've
posted the older settings below for someone to comment.

| When I ran the Fujitsu diag, (it always ran fine before), it opened
and
| detects a non-Fujitsu hard drive! It won't run, and the only
difference
| is the BIOS is set to Auto.

Why! Why! Why! BIOS appears to have auto-detected the correct amount of
GB for a...
Fujitsu MPE 3102AT 10 GB
...., which by Google search is 10.2 GB. What was the utility that said
it was a Fujitsu in the first place? Maybe run that again to get a new
report.

We were so close to getting the full amount! The proper manufacturer's
hard drive diagnostic utility is supposed to correct the errors-- not
disown the drive!

| Two issues:
| a. BING says errors present, doesn't show them.
|
| b. now the Fujitsu util does not detect the Fujitsu hard drive.
|
| ms

.....Quote older BIOS settings...........
Standard CMOS Setup
Primary Master User 7921 MB ....LBA
Primary Slave None 0
Secondary Master Auto 0 Auto
Secondary Slave None 0

BIOS Features
Hard disk boot from Pri-IDE-M
HDD Smart Capability Enabled

Power Management
HDD Power Down Disabled

Integrated Peripherals
?? IDE Channel 10. 11 Enabled
IDE Prefetch mode Enabled
IDE HDD Block mode Enabled
Primary Master P10 auto
Primary Master UDMA auto

?? - can't read my own writing!

HDD Autodetect
Select Primary Master
Options Sector
2(Y) 10241..... 63 LBA
1 10248......63 Normal
3 10248 63 Large
.......EOQ ms's older BIOS settings..........

PCR wrote:

We were so close to getting the full amount! The proper
manufacturer's hard drive diagnostic utility is supposed to correct
the errors-- not disown the drive!

That drive has been fdisked/formatted/binged so many times that
Fujitsu doesn't recognize it as one of their own. Or maybe they just
don't want the responsibility

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"dadiOH" wrote in message
...
| PCR wrote:
|
| We were so close to getting the full amount! The proper
| manufacturer's hard drive diagnostic utility is supposed to correct
| the errors-- not disown the drive!
|
| That drive has been fdisked/formatted/binged so many times that
| Fujitsu doesn't recognize it as one of their own. Or maybe they just
| don't want the responsibility

I GUESS it could be that. Looks like other good brains have reengaged
the issue, & I will step aside a bit. I made that decision even BEFORE
reading Terhune's gentle admonition...!...

"And if this thread gets like the other one, with
people repeating gobs of irrelevant data and going over and over the
same
crap and diverging into all kinds of archania, entirely losing sight of
the
GOAL in the process, I'm outta here. Not referring to this particular
post,
Franc, just taking this opportunity to make that comment in general.
This
means you, MEB, and you too, PCR. I'd like to help MS *fix* the problem,
not
just chew the gristle."

BUT it was my persistence that finally recovered 2.5 GB on that hard
drive. I do not believe going back to 7.5 GB is the answer. There were
partitioning problems even then. Remember, ms, you could not create 1
Primary Partition & 2 Logical Partitions, EVEN at the smaller size-- in
FDISK or in BING.

ms: Don't answer. Stick with the others a while. Zabcar is definitely
onto something with that "bit" theory.

Please delete all partitions. Then look in "View MBR" and click on "Standard
MBR". Then go back and create new partitions.

I'm concerned that a drive overlay may exist. I haven't been following the
previous mega-thread except in a very cursory manner. Are you certain that
no overlay exists (you'd probably use the drive manufacturer's own tools to
determine this and remove the overlay if present.)

I've never seen that ANP notation in BING and don't know what it means. In
my experience, MBR Entry ## is the usual label that's applied to all Primary
Partitions BING creates. You might want to check out BING Support,
especially the BING forums.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html

There is a paragraph on that page called "TeraByte Sponsored Newsgroups".

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"ms" wrote in message ...
Sorry, editing

This post should read:
In my BING screen "Work with Partitions", I created 4 FAT32
partitions. They completely use the 10 GB hard drive, no free space.

The first 3 are listed in the screen with names including ANP, the
last one is MBR Entry 3. There is no indication the first partition is
active. Does BING do that automatically?

When I created the last partition, it went OK. When it completed
formatting and error checking, looked OK but now at the top of the
screen is the legend "errors exist". I looked in Properties in each
partition, no error notation.

Comment?

ms

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

Please delete all partitions. Then look in "View MBR" and click on
"Standard MBR". Then go back and create new partitions.

Done

I'm concerned that a drive overlay may exist. I haven't been following
the previous mega-thread except in a very cursory manner. Are you
certain that no overlay exists

I have no knowledge, but the drive capacity jumped from 7.5 GB to about 10
GB due to a bios change, don't know if that effects what you said.

(you'd probably use the drive
manufacturer's own tools to determine this and remove the overlay if
present.)

That's a strange one. Now, even will all partitions removed, free space =
97XX MB, the Fujitsu diag util that did run fine, now still refuses to
regognize the hard drive. So it can't check the hard drive, but before, it
scanned the entire drive and checked OK several times.

I've never seen that ANP notation in BING and don't know what it
means. In my experience, MBR Entry ## is the usual label that's
applied to all Primary Partitions BING creates. You might want to
check out BING Support, especially the BING forums.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html

There is a paragraph on that page called "TeraByte Sponsored
Newsgroups".


I recreated new partitions,
Each partition was created entirely normal, in each, the drive checked for
errors OK. Each one is created with MBR label, but the first name does not
look like a Primary partition? Here is what I see, then will finish the
comment.

JES IBR ANP-0 Partition 2494 MB Fat32
JES IBR ANP-1 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32
MBR Entry 2 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32

The last partition is the right size, but should have left about 2400MB
free space, like it did before, for a 4th partition. It did not. And as
soon as it was created, the "errors exist" legend appeared.

Comment on above results?- before I go to that newsgroup.

Up to now, I had no indication there's anything wrong with this hard drive.

ms

ms wrote in :

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
:

Please delete all partitions. Then look in "View MBR" and click on
"Standard MBR". Then go back and create new partitions.

Done

I'm concerned that a drive overlay may exist. I haven't been
following the previous mega-thread except in a very cursory manner.
Are you certain that no overlay exists

I have no knowledge, but the drive capacity jumped from 7.5 GB to
about 10 GB due to a bios change, don't know if that effects what you
said.

(you'd probably use the drive
manufacturer's own tools to determine this and remove the overlay if
present.)

That's a strange one. Now, even will all partitions removed, free
space = 97XX MB, the Fujitsu diag util that did run fine, now still
refuses to regognize the hard drive. So it can't check the hard drive,
but before, it scanned the entire drive and checked OK several times.

I've never seen that ANP notation in BING and don't know what it
means. In my experience, MBR Entry ## is the usual label that's
applied to all Primary Partitions BING creates. You might want to
check out BING Support, especially the BING forums.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html

There is a paragraph on that page called "TeraByte Sponsored
Newsgroups".


I recreated new partitions,
Each partition was created entirely normal, in each, the drive checked
for errors OK. Each one is created with MBR label, but the first name
does not look like a Primary partition? Here is what I see, then will
finish the comment.

JES IBR ANP-0 Partition 2494 MB Fat32
JES IBR ANP-1 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32
MBR Entry 2 Partition E 2494 MB Fat32

The last partition is the right size, but should have left about
2400MB free space, like it did before, for a 4th partition. It did
not. And as soon as it was created, the "errors exist" legend
appeared.

Comment on above results?- before I go to that newsgroup.

Up to now, I had no indication there's anything wrong with this hard
drive.

ms


More data, I ran a DOS version of Aida, a system analysis utility.

Its says:
BIOS is Award ver. 4.51PG

The first hd partition is active.

Hard drive is described as BUJIP5Q IPA3102AP, this was the reported
Fujitsu model number before.

Capacity 9773 MB EIDE

9767 MB BIOS

It shows 3 partitions, 4th is empty.

ms