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with oem 98 can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an upgrade at all



 
 
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Old November 22nd 06, 04:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
DJW
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Default with oem 98 can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an upgrade at all

Boy windows is really complicated that's a rant from a Mac person
where live is much easier! Ok for give me PC people. I got a Compaq
computer with what I assume was a windows 98 OEM disk the book has
Compaq printed on it but looks like other windows manuals other than
that and does not have OEM in its product key. I have a valid windows
98 CD and product key. When I put it in and try to in stall (upgrade
over the current 98 OS) it tells me I can't.
Does this mean that I can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an
upgrade at all. I have been having so much trouble doing a clean
install when it comes to getting the drivers for some stuff the new
modem in particular to work. My old modem was on com 2 this one wants
to go on com 3 and the ISP dialer can not find it. As a side question
is there a way to force the modem to use com 2?

  #2  
Old November 22nd 06, 07:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Ron Martell
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Default with oem 98 can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an upgrade at all

"DJW" wrote:

Boy windows is really complicated that's a rant from a Mac person
where live is much easier! Ok for give me PC people. I got a Compaq
computer with what I assume was a windows 98 OEM disk the book has
Compaq printed on it but looks like other windows manuals other than
that and does not have OEM in its product key. I have a valid windows
98 CD and product key. When I put it in and try to in stall (upgrade
over the current 98 OS) it tells me I can't.
Does this mean that I can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an
upgrade at all. I have been having so much trouble doing a clean
install when it comes to getting the drivers for some stuff the new
modem in particular to work. My old modem was on com 2 this one wants
to go on com 3 and the ISP dialer can not find it. As a side question
is there a way to force the modem to use com 2?


If your Windows 98 CD is an OEM version then it cannot be installed as
an upgrade over an existing installed version of Windows.

OEM versions are intended for sale bundled with new computers, and new
computers do not have a previous version of Windows installed on them.

In order to do an upgrade you need a Retail version (Upgrade or Full
Install) of Windows 98.

Product Keys for OEM versions do not include the letters OEM anywhere
within the key itself. When Windows is install a 20 character
Product I.D. code is generated, based in part on the Product Key and
also on the CD, and for an OEM version this Product I.D. will include
the letters OEM. But not the 25 character Product Key that is entered
during the installation.

If your Windows 98 CD has the words "for sale or distribution only
with a new computer" or similar on it, or if it has the name and logo
of a computer manufacturer/assembler (e.g. Compaq) on it, then it is
an OEM version.

Hope this explains the situation.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
  #3  
Old November 22nd 06, 11:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Don Phillipson
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Default with oem 98 can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an upgrade at all

"DJW" wrote in message
oups.com...

Boy windows is really complicated that's a rant from a Mac person
where live is much easier! Ok for give me PC people. I got a Compaq
computer with what I assume was a windows 98 OEM disk the book has
Compaq printed on it but looks like other windows manuals other than
that and does not have OEM in its product key. I have a valid windows
98 CD and product key. When I put it in and try to in stall (upgrade
over the current 98 OS) it tells me I can't.
Does this mean that I can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an
upgrade at all.


No -- i.e. you ought to be able to upgrade to Win98SE.
The upgrade disks I have seen all required Windows to
be loaded in the first place (i.e. did not run under DOS).
Your other difficulties should not prevent an upgrade.
(If you lack USB jacks, we might wonder why you
want to upgrade . . .)

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #4  
Old November 23rd 06, 12:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
philo
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Default with oem 98 can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an upgrade at all


"DJW" wrote in message
oups.com...
Boy windows is really complicated that's a rant from a Mac person
where live is much easier! Ok for give me PC people. I got a Compaq
computer with what I assume was a windows 98 OEM disk the book has
Compaq printed on it but looks like other windows manuals other than
that and does not have OEM in its product key. I have a valid windows
98 CD and product key. When I put it in and try to in stall (upgrade
over the current 98 OS) it tells me I can't.



You can probably upgrade your system
by using a cd support boot disk

then in the windows folder rename win.com to win.old

then run setup from the CD and pay careful attention


be sure to install windows back in the original windows folder (usually
C:\windows)

as you will probably get asked if you want to install in C:\windows.000


  #5  
Old November 23rd 06, 03:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Ron Badour
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Default with oem 98 can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an upgrade at all

The disk you describe as a valid 98 CD is probably an OEM disk. You can try
tricking it into doing an upgrade using the procedures he
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html

--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"DJW" wrote in message
oups.com...
Boy windows is really complicated that's a rant from a Mac person
where live is much easier! Ok for give me PC people. I got a Compaq
computer with what I assume was a windows 98 OEM disk the book has
Compaq printed on it but looks like other windows manuals other than
that and does not have OEM in its product key. I have a valid windows
98 CD and product key. When I put it in and try to in stall (upgrade
over the current 98 OS) it tells me I can't.
Does this mean that I can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an
upgrade at all. I have been having so much trouble doing a clean
install when it comes to getting the drivers for some stuff the new
modem in particular to work. My old modem was on com 2 this one wants
to go on com 3 and the ISP dialer can not find it. As a side question
is there a way to force the modem to use com 2?



  #6  
Old November 24th 06, 05:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune
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Default with oem 98 can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an upgrade at all

The problem is not your modem or its use of COM3. It's a problem in your
dialer, and probably one that can be fixed by changing the dialer's
settings. If you would answer the questions I asked in your other post on
this subject, we might have a better idea what to suggest as a fix.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm

"DJW" wrote in message
oups.com...
Boy windows is really complicated that's a rant from a Mac person
where live is much easier! Ok for give me PC people. I got a Compaq
computer with what I assume was a windows 98 OEM disk the book has
Compaq printed on it but looks like other windows manuals other than
that and does not have OEM in its product key. I have a valid windows
98 CD and product key. When I put it in and try to in stall (upgrade
over the current 98 OS) it tells me I can't.
Does this mean that I can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an
upgrade at all. I have been having so much trouble doing a clean
install when it comes to getting the drivers for some stuff the new
modem in particular to work. My old modem was on com 2 this one wants
to go on com 3 and the ISP dialer can not find it. As a side question
is there a way to force the modem to use com 2?



  #7  
Old November 25th 06, 06:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
DJW
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Default with oem 98 can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an upgrade at all

It has 25 product key caracters but no OEM in it. When I put in a
windows 98 full version it says something like can not upgrage from
this version already installed. Can a full version disk not also
upgrade as an upgrade cd can? On the CD it looks like a regulare win cd
but has Compaq writen on it.
thank you
DJW
Ron Martell wrote:
"DJW" wrote:

Boy windows is really complicated that's a rant from a Mac person
where live is much easier! Ok for give me PC people. I got a Compaq
computer with what I assume was a windows 98 OEM disk the book has
Compaq printed on it but looks like other windows manuals other than
that and does not have OEM in its product key. I have a valid windows
98 CD and product key. When I put it in and try to in stall (upgrade
over the current 98 OS) it tells me I can't.
Does this mean that I can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an
upgrade at all. I have been having so much trouble doing a clean
install when it comes to getting the drivers for some stuff the new
modem in particular to work. My old modem was on com 2 this one wants
to go on com 3 and the ISP dialer can not find it. As a side question
is there a way to force the modem to use com 2?


If your Windows 98 CD is an OEM version then it cannot be installed as
an upgrade over an existing installed version of Windows.

OEM versions are intended for sale bundled with new computers, and new
computers do not have a previous version of Windows installed on them.

In order to do an upgrade you need a Retail version (Upgrade or Full
Install) of Windows 98.

Product Keys for OEM versions do not include the letters OEM anywhere
within the key itself. When Windows is install a 20 character
Product I.D. code is generated, based in part on the Product Key and
also on the CD, and for an OEM version this Product I.D. will include
the letters OEM. But not the 25 character Product Key that is entered
during the installation.

If your Windows 98 CD has the words "for sale or distribution only
with a new computer" or similar on it, or if it has the name and logo
of a computer manufacturer/assembler (e.g. Compaq) on it, then it is
an OEM version.

Hope this explains the situation.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."


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Old November 25th 06, 08:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Ron Martell
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Default with oem 98 can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an upgrade at all

"DJW" wrote:

It has 25 product key caracters but no OEM in it. When I put in a
windows 98 full version it says something like can not upgrage from
this version already installed. Can a full version disk not also
upgrade as an upgrade cd can? On the CD it looks like a regulare win cd
but has Compaq writen on it.
thank you
DJW


If the CD has Compaq on it then it is without a doubt an OEM CD.
Period. Microsoft does not license computer companies to produce
retail versions of Windows with their own brand names on them.

OEM versions are intended for use on new computers and as new
computers do not have older versions of Windows already installed on
them there is no need for the OEM versions to have upgrade
capabilities and therefore the upgrade functions have been disabled in
these versions.

You might check Ron Badour's web site. He has information there
about a method that might allow you to do an upgrade install with an
OEM CD. It did work with Windows 95 but in my experience it does not
work with most OEM versions of Windows 98.
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
  #9  
Old November 26th 06, 03:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Ron Badour
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Default with oem 98 can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an upgrade at all

Product keys do not contain OEM--the Product ID does. I have never had a
problem using the procedure I recommended and I have done it numerous times.

--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"DJW" wrote in message
oups.com...
It has 25 product key caracters but no OEM in it. When I put in a
windows 98 full version it says something like can not upgrage from
this version already installed. Can a full version disk not also
upgrade as an upgrade cd can? On the CD it looks like a regulare win cd
but has Compaq writen on it.
thank you
DJW
Ron Martell wrote:
"DJW" wrote:

Boy windows is really complicated that's a rant from a Mac person
where live is much easier! Ok for give me PC people. I got a Compaq
computer with what I assume was a windows 98 OEM disk the book has
Compaq printed on it but looks like other windows manuals other than
that and does not have OEM in its product key. I have a valid windows
98 CD and product key. When I put it in and try to in stall (upgrade
over the current 98 OS) it tells me I can't.
Does this mean that I can not get a windows 98se upgrade disk and do an
upgrade at all. I have been having so much trouble doing a clean
install when it comes to getting the drivers for some stuff the new
modem in particular to work. My old modem was on com 2 this one wants
to go on com 3 and the ISP dialer can not find it. As a side question
is there a way to force the modem to use com 2?


If your Windows 98 CD is an OEM version then it cannot be installed as
an upgrade over an existing installed version of Windows.

OEM versions are intended for sale bundled with new computers, and new
computers do not have a previous version of Windows installed on them.

In order to do an upgrade you need a Retail version (Upgrade or Full
Install) of Windows 98.

Product Keys for OEM versions do not include the letters OEM anywhere
within the key itself. When Windows is install a 20 character
Product I.D. code is generated, based in part on the Product Key and
also on the CD, and for an OEM version this Product I.D. will include
the letters OEM. But not the 25 character Product Key that is entered
during the installation.

If your Windows 98 CD has the words "for sale or distribution only
with a new computer" or similar on it, or if it has the name and logo
of a computer manufacturer/assembler (e.g. Compaq) on it, then it is
an OEM version.

Hope this explains the situation.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."




 




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