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"Working in Background"
I have set up my mouse pointer so that an hourglass is next to the pointer
when "Working in Background." The condition rather frequently occurs, or is present, at the end of a long session and I'm ready to turn power off. I don't know what's working; Process Explorer (the very latest release) shows nothing but itself (usually about 3-4%) and Idle 96 or 97%. Nothing else registers at all. I suppose if something is running in the background and is only taking a small fraction of one percent Process Explorer wouldn't report it, but I don't know. What happens is, if I go through the Start Shut Down Shut Down sequence the computer usually, but not always, fails to shut down properly, requiring a Power Off at the tower and Scan Disk when I power up next time. I can sometimes get rid of the arrow-hourglass by forcing the screen saver for a few seconds and then returning. Sometimes I can eliminate the arrow-hourglass by Active Desktop Show Web Content, but I do not normally want to show web content and the hourglass returns when I cancel this procedure. In short, it appears that something has not finished running which interferes with Shut Down and I don't know how to find it. The condition is more annoying than critical, but I'd appreciate any thoughts you might have. Ken Bland -- "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." -- Mark Twain |
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Ken,
Just for grins..........disable your screensaver and then attempt the shut down. Let me know what happens. Heirloom, old and still loves the Me NG P.S. Don't forget the excellent shut down trouble shooter at http://aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm "Justin Thyme" wrote in message ... I have set up my mouse pointer so that an hourglass is next to the pointer when "Working in Background." The condition rather frequently occurs, or is present, at the end of a long session and I'm ready to turn power off. I don't know what's working; Process Explorer (the very latest release) shows nothing but itself (usually about 3-4%) and Idle 96 or 97%. Nothing else registers at all. I suppose if something is running in the background and is only taking a small fraction of one percent Process Explorer wouldn't report it, but I don't know. What happens is, if I go through the Start Shut Down Shut Down sequence the computer usually, but not always, fails to shut down properly, requiring a Power Off at the tower and Scan Disk when I power up next time. I can sometimes get rid of the arrow-hourglass by forcing the screen saver for a few seconds and then returning. Sometimes I can eliminate the arrow-hourglass by Active Desktop Show Web Content, but I do not normally want to show web content and the hourglass returns when I cancel this procedure. In short, it appears that something has not finished running which interferes with Shut Down and I don't know how to find it. The condition is more annoying than critical, but I'd appreciate any thoughts you might have. Ken Bland -- "No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." -- Mark Twain |
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"Heirloom" wrote in message ... Ken, Just for grins..........disable your screensaver and then attempt the shut down. Let me know what happens. Heirloom, old and still loves the Me NG P.S. Don't forget the excellent shut down trouble shooter at http://aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm Thanks Heirloom. I have disabled the screen saver but it may take me some time, maybe a day or two, before I can be sure that it was at fault. I'll check the aumha link now. Ken Bland |
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"Heirloom" wrote in message ... Ken, Just for grins..........disable your screensaver and then attempt the shut down. Let me know what happens. Heirloom, old and still loves the Me NG P.S. Don't forget the excellent shut down trouble shooter at http://aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm Among other things, one thing possible for shut down problems is a large Temp file. I know I've heard this before and surely "Temp" is meant to indicate "temporary," but is it? My Temp file contains many things that don't look temporary at all, including two .exe files, one .dll, and six folders, one of which contains a 3MB VPU file and a 1.6MB setup file. I suppose I can save these in the waste basket and then find out if they are, indeed necessary? Ken Bland |
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Let's put it this way, Ken....
Anything in the |Temp folder is *supposed* to be temporary - if it's not, and it's in use by the OS at any given time after a reboot, then the chances are that it's malware. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Justin Thyme" wrote in message ... "Heirloom" wrote in message ... Ken, Just for grins..........disable your screensaver and then attempt the shut down. Let me know what happens. Heirloom, old and still loves the Me NG P.S. Don't forget the excellent shut down trouble shooter at http://aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm Among other things, one thing possible for shut down problems is a large Temp file. I know I've heard this before and surely "Temp" is meant to indicate "temporary," but is it? My Temp file contains many things that don't look temporary at all, including two .exe files, one .dll, and six folders, one of which contains a 3MB VPU file and a 1.6MB setup file. I suppose I can save these in the waste basket and then find out if they are, indeed necessary? Ken Bland |
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"Heirloom" wrote in message ... Ken, Just for grins..........disable your screensaver and then attempt the shut down. Let me know what happens. Heirloom, old and still loves the Me NG P.S. Don't forget the excellent shut down trouble shooter at http://aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm Okay. I can confirm now that disabling the screen saver does not prevent the mouse pointer occasionally being associated with an hourglass, which in my computer, means "Working in Background." It seems strange to me that I can do anything else all day long and never notice any problems, only when I want to shut down in preparation for turning power off. It sure looks to me as if something really is running the background that doesn't like being interrupted by Shut Down. Ken Bland |
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Justin Thyme wrote:
"Heirloom" wrote in message ... Ken, Just for grins..........disable your screensaver and then attempt the shut down. Let me know what happens. Heirloom, old and still loves the Me NG P.S. Don't forget the excellent shut down trouble shooter at http://aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm snip It sure looks to me as if something really is running the background that doesn't like being interrupted by Shut Down. Maybe there is; before you shutdown check TaskManager Ctrl-Alt-Delete for a list of (some) running tasks. Rick |
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"Rick T" wrote in message ... Maybe there is; before you shutdown check TaskManager Ctrl-Alt-Delete for a list of (some) running tasks. Rick I appreciate your response Rick, but I have so pared down my Startup list that the only things showing (except when I have invoked Adobe Reader -- which seems not to completely deactivate itself when done) are Explorer, Systray, and two components of my Antivirus program, avast!. If I deliberately shut down avast! only Explorer and Systray show up. The Process Explorer by Sysinternals shows many processes but only Idle and Process Explorer itself indicate any measurable numbers. It may well be that there is something going on, but below the threshold of Process Explorer's ability to measure it, like 0.5%. The "Working in Background" allows Hibernate to function correctly and is shown again when I "wake the system up." I believe, but cannot be certain, that I have seen the hourglass disappear, after once being on, when I have the computer turned on for a rather long time, say two hours or so doing things like letter-writing off-line. As I say, I am by no means certain of this. Ken Bland |
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"Justin Thyme" wrote in message ... The Process Explorer by Sysinternals shows many processes but only Idle and Process Explorer itself indicate any measurable numbers. It may well be that there is something going on, but below the threshold of Process Explorer's ability to measure it, like 0.5%. It may in poor taste to reply to one's own post but I have something that news to me and maybe to someone else he Sysinternals's Process Explorer, which has been updated almost daily recently and now at release 9.25, is capable of displaying CPU run times fractionally to two decimal places. (Maybe it's been there all along and I have neglected it!) I still haven't used the new-to-me feature but I may be able to use it to see just what is running in the background, even at very low levels. Ken Bland |
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Keep us posted...........I am curious.
Heirloom, old and off to the telly "Justin Thyme" wrote in message ... "Justin Thyme" wrote in message ... The Process Explorer by Sysinternals shows many processes but only Idle and Process Explorer itself indicate any measurable numbers. It may well be that there is something going on, but below the threshold of Process Explorer's ability to measure it, like 0.5%. It may in poor taste to reply to one's own post but I have something that news to me and maybe to someone else he Sysinternals's Process Explorer, which has been updated almost daily recently and now at release 9.25, is capable of displaying CPU run times fractionally to two decimal places. (Maybe it's been there all along and I have neglected it!) I still haven't used the new-to-me feature but I may be able to use it to see just what is running in the background, even at very low levels. Ken Bland |
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