Start Up / Shut down problems

Working away merrilly last night (well playing games
actually) when I got a pop up saying critical microsoft
updates or the like. Went to the link (it was definitely
the MS website) did the "scan for relevant downloads" it
came up with 3 criticals can't remember what they were
called - I downloaded them.

When I came to shutdown windows it froze on the "windows
is shutting down screen". I eventually turned it off
manually then when I restarted it had changed the
settings and gone into safe mode, and basically it now
won't either start up or shut down properly. I've tried
using the troubleshooting thing on My Computer thro' the
help tab, found the right question to ask but when I
clicked the button to run troubleshoot nothing happened.
Any ideas please my daughter is doing her nut 'cos she
wants to get on with her homework!!

Thanks in anticipation

Michael

(1) Did you take a driver from Windows Update (by clicking for it in the
left pane)? Then...
"START button, Run, MSInfo32, Tools menu, Update Wizard Uninstall"
....may rescue you.

(2) | won't either start up or shut down properly.
What happens at boot precisely? At Shut Down?

(3) "START, Find, F/F, Wininit.ini"
If found, rename it to "Wininit.bad". Open it in Notepad, & post
it.

(4) Also, post "Wininit.bak", which is what the .ini normally is renamed
to, after it has been processed during boot.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Michael Quinlan" wrote in message
...
| Working away merrilly last night (well playing games
| actually) when I got a pop up saying critical microsoft
| updates or the like. Went to the link (it was definitely
| the MS website) did the "scan for relevant downloads" it
| came up with 3 criticals can't remember what they were
| called - I downloaded them.
|
| When I came to shutdown windows it froze on the "windows
| is shutting down screen". I eventually turned it off
| manually then when I restarted it had changed the
| settings and gone into safe mode, and basically it now
| won't either start up or shut down properly. I've tried
| using the troubleshooting thing on My Computer thro' the
| help tab, found the right question to ask but when I
| clicked the button to run troubleshoot nothing happened.
| Any ideas please my daughter is doing her nut 'cos she
| wants to get on with her homework!!
|
| Thanks in anticipation
|
| Michael

Two separate Windows Update criticals took your Troubleshooters away,
for security reasons.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q188867
Troubleshooting Windows 98 Startup Problems. This article contains a
link to what it says is the equivalent of the Windows Help
Troubleshooters...
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot
That's it. But, here is how to get them back when offline...

First, "START, Find, F&F, Tshoot.inf"; R-Clk it & select "Install". If
you still don't have the Troubleshooters...

(1) "START, Run, RegEdit"
(2) Navigate to

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}

Compatibility Flags 0x00000400 (1024) Dword value 400

by
(a) Clicking plus signs, beginning with "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
(b) & ending with "ActiveX Compatibility".
(c) Finally, click "{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}" itself in
the left pane.
(d) Now, you see "Compatibility Flags 0x00000400 (1024)" in the right
pane.
(e) "Registry menu, Export Registry file".

This will create a ".reg" file of the entire Key that is open...
all the items in the right pane & all sub-keys in the left pane (if
there is a plus sign). Give it a name & location of your choosing, even
to the Desktop or My Documents. Then, to undo the following, you will be
able to simply click that file, to Merge it's contents back into the
Registry.

Actually-- name that one "NoTrouble.reg". It will look like...

....Start.....
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
"Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000400

....End.......

(f) Close RegEdit. You now have an "undo" .reg, named "NoTrouble.reg".
(g) Make a copy of it called "Trouble.reg".
(h) Open "Trouble.reg" in Notepad. Change the "dword" to look as
follows... all zeros...

....Start..of "Trouble.reg"...
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
"Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000000

....End.......

CAREFUL: That "HKEY" is one line, with TWO spaces only. One between
"Internet Explorer", & the other between "ActiveX Compatibility". Make
sure it looks that way in Notepad, before you click to Save. Also, you
must have an empty line at bottom.

Now, "Trouble.reg" gives you the Troubleshooters. "NoTrouble.reg" will
give you security by taking them away. Remember to undo it, after you
are done looking at the Troubleshooters.


(2) By default, when a ".reg" is clicked, it will Merge into the
Registry. To alter the default behavior: "START, Settings, Folder
Options, File Types tab". Scroll to & click "Registration Entries",
click the "Edit" button, select "edit" in the window & click the "Set
Default" button. Now, when you click a ".reg" file, it will open in
Notepad for examination. To merge it into the Registry, R-Clk it &
select "Merge".


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Michael Quinlan" wrote in message
...
| Working away merrilly last night (well playing games
| actually) when I got a pop up saying critical microsoft
| updates or the like. Went to the link (it was definitely
| the MS website) did the "scan for relevant downloads" it
| came up with 3 criticals can't remember what they were
| called - I downloaded them.
|
| When I came to shutdown windows it froze on the "windows
| is shutting down screen". I eventually turned it off
| manually then when I restarted it had changed the
| settings and gone into safe mode, and basically it now
| won't either start up or shut down properly. I've tried
| using the troubleshooting thing on My Computer thro' the
| help tab, found the right question to ask but when I
| clicked the button to run troubleshoot nothing happened.
| Any ideas please my daughter is doing her nut 'cos she
| wants to get on with her homework!!
|
| Thanks in anticipation
|
| Michael

See if you can get an appropriate answer here to possibly get past the problem or
even remove the updates.
Newsgroup--setup in your newsreader: microsoft.public.windowsupdate
or try this URL
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate

For the TShoot wizards:
There are 2 separate critical updates that caused the TShoot Wizards to stop working.
For more info and ways to use the wizards, see:
http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/Wi...98_Tshootr.htm

1st occurrence:
If you do not already have “Show All Files” checked in folder options, you need to
do that first.
To show all files, open My Computer, click on View Folder Options View tab. Under
the heading Hidden Files place a check next to Show All Files, Apply/Ok out.
Now find the Tshoot.inf file which should be in c:\windows\inf, right click on it and
select Install from the popup list. Have your Win cd on hand.

Second occurrence, only has workarounds to use the Tshoot Wizards:
This is because the latest critical update (Q824145) places a kill bit on the ActiveX
control tshoot.ocx. What is not recommended is removing the update or the kill bit
altogether as this will open up the vulnerabilities the update fixes, which is more
than killing tshoot.ocx. MS-MVP George (Bindar Dundat) has created a fix that will
open the tshooter and remove the kill bit. Once you close the tshooter it replaces
the kill bit.
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or here in case the first link is down:
http://home.comcast.net/~bascon58/98Help.htm


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Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
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"Michael Quinlan" wrote in message
...
Working away merrilly last night (well playing games
actually) when I got a pop up saying critical microsoft
updates or the like. Went to the link (it was definitely
the MS website) did the "scan for relevant downloads" it
came up with 3 criticals can't remember what they were
called - I downloaded them.

When I came to shutdown windows it froze on the "windows
is shutting down screen". I eventually turned it off
manually then when I restarted it had changed the
settings and gone into safe mode, and basically it now
won't either start up or shut down properly. I've tried
using the troubleshooting thing on My Computer thro' the
help tab, found the right question to ask but when I
clicked the button to run troubleshoot nothing happened.
Any ideas please my daughter is doing her nut 'cos she
wants to get on with her homework!!

Thanks in anticipation

Michael

Hi Michael;
MVP "PCR" helped me with this: ""Restart" doesn't".
[Sept 8} He wrote:
"Two separate Windows Update criticals took your
Troubleshooters away,for security reasons.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;Q188867
Troubleshooting Windows 98 Startup Problems. This article
contains a
link to what it says is the equivalent of the Windows Help
Troubleshooters...
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot".

Perhaps that will get you started. It worked for me.

rooster
boundary bay, bc

-----Original Message-----
Working away merrilly last night (well playing games
actually) when I got a pop up saying critical microsoft
updates or the like. Went to the link (it was definitely
the MS website) did the "scan for relevant downloads" it
came up with 3 criticals can't remember what they were
called - I downloaded them.

When I came to shutdown windows it froze on the "windows
is shutting down screen". I eventually turned it off
manually then when I restarted it had changed the
settings and gone into safe mode, and basically it now
won't either start up or shut down properly. I've tried
using the troubleshooting thing on My Computer thro' the
help tab, found the right question to ask but when I
clicked the button to run troubleshoot nothing happened.
Any ideas please my daughter is doing her nut 'cos she
wants to get on with her homework!!

Thanks in anticipation

Michael
.

| MVP "PCR"

Thanks! BUT I don't play much baseball anymore.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"rooster" wrote in message
...
| Hi Michael;
| MVP "PCR" helped me with this: ""Restart" doesn't".
| [Sept 8} He wrote:
| "Two separate Windows Update criticals took your
| Troubleshooters away,for security reasons.
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
| us;Q188867
| Troubleshooting Windows 98 Startup Problems. This article
| contains a
| link to what it says is the equivalent of the Windows Help
| Troubleshooters...
| http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot".
|
| Perhaps that will get you started. It worked for me.
|
| rooster
| boundary bay, bc
|
| -----Original Message-----
| Working away merrilly last night (well playing games
| actually) when I got a pop up saying critical microsoft
| updates or the like. Went to the link (it was definitely
| the MS website) did the "scan for relevant downloads" it
| came up with 3 criticals can't remember what they were
| called - I downloaded them.
|
| When I came to shutdown windows it froze on the "windows
| is shutting down screen". I eventually turned it off
| manually then when I restarted it had changed the
| settings and gone into safe mode, and basically it now
| won't either start up or shut down properly. I've tried
| using the troubleshooting thing on My Computer thro' the
| help tab, found the right question to ask but when I
| clicked the button to run troubleshoot nothing happened.
| Any ideas please my daughter is doing her nut 'cos she
| wants to get on with her homework!!
|
| Thanks in anticipation
|
| Michael
| .
|