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  #11  
Old August 4th 04, 03:43 AM
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Practical - In practice, or in actual usage as distinct
from in theory. Definitely a very much needed adjective.

MS needs no protection from their failure to provide
partitioning support for FAT32 on large drives - they
have long advocated moving to a newer OS for systems this
size, for all sorts of good reasons. However, the real
issue is what other parts of W9x will turn out to be
incompatible with very large FAT32 partitions - it's not
as simple as just re-writing one DOS program.

snip

Define "practical".

Unneeded adjective to protect MS's lack of response for

creating a partition
related msdos real-mode program to suit today's hard

drives for msdos based
windows.


  #12  
Old August 4th 04, 07:14 AM
Jerry
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-----Original Message-----
I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7
v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will
support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will
WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague
information about different barriers in Win98SE

concerning
large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I

can
partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are
the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions,
physical disk size etc...)

Thank you,


Jerry

Thanks to all of you for your help. From what I
understand from everyone's input, a 160 GB Hard Disk
divided by partitions no larger then 64GB will not pose a
problem with 98SE's Fdisk, Format, Scandisk, or Defrag
apps (or hopefully anything else Win98SE). I have already
used the 98SE fdisk hotfix to partition 80GB HDDs without
any problems but, plan on using partition magic or, the
drive manufacturers partition/format program.
If anyone has partitioned a hard disk, of at least 160GB,
and is using it without problems, with 98SE, let me know.
You will be the first I know of using a 160GB or greater
HDD with 98SE.

Intelligent people with good info. I like this place

Thanks
Jerry

  #13  
Old August 4th 04, 01:36 PM
Ron Badour
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There is an article http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=263044 about
fdisk for hard drives over 64 gb. What the article says is that the new
fdisk is only supported on hard drives (not partitions) up to 137 gb. What
this means is that if you use the new fdisk on a 180 gb hard drive, MS does
not guarantee what results you will have. It may not work, it may work OK
or things may go wrong later. There is no problem with a 180 gb drive as
far as W98 goes so your best bet is to use a partitioning program to set up
the drive. Here's what I use:

BootIt Next Generation is available from: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/
and it does partitioning, makes a compressed image, does many other
partitioning chores and is a boot manager. It is not quite as easy to use
as Partition Magic but it is half the cost and has more features. Unlike
the crippled PMagic demo, BING is a *full function* demo you can try for
FREE for 30 days. The web site has a lot of support articles.
--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Jerry" wrote in message
...

-----Original Message-----
I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7
v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will
support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will
WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague
information about different barriers in Win98SE

concerning
large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I

can
partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are
the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions,
physical disk size etc...)

Thank you,


Jerry

Thanks to all of you for your help. From what I
understand from everyone's input, a 160 GB Hard Disk
divided by partitions no larger then 64GB will not pose a
problem with 98SE's Fdisk, Format, Scandisk, or Defrag
apps (or hopefully anything else Win98SE). I have already
used the 98SE fdisk hotfix to partition 80GB HDDs without
any problems but, plan on using partition magic or, the
drive manufacturers partition/format program.
If anyone has partitioned a hard disk, of at least 160GB,
and is using it without problems, with 98SE, let me know.
You will be the first I know of using a 160GB or greater
HDD with 98SE.

Intelligent people with good info. I like this place

Thanks
Jerry



  #14  
Old August 4th 04, 05:19 PM
Greg R
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Windows 98se fdisk will only allow you to make on primary partition.
So, you will need a program like system commander 7.5 or greater and
use their boot disk to make the four primary partitions. It will take
alot of time for this to work, it does a surface scan of the hard
drive.

I would not make any partition bigger than 60 gb to be safe.

So it will fool windows 98se, Since you created more than on primary
partition. It will actual think you have 4 hard drives. (depending
on many primary partitions you make). You should not have any
problems, but who knows.



Greg R


On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:36:17 -0500, "Ron Badour" wrote:


There is an article http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=263044 about
fdisk for hard drives over 64 gb. What the article says is that the new
fdisk is only supported on hard drives (not partitions) up to 137 gb. What
this means is that if you use the new fdisk on a 180 gb hard drive, MS does
not guarantee what results you will have. It may not work, it may work OK
or things may go wrong later. There is no problem with a 180 gb drive as
far as W98 goes so your best bet is to use a partitioning program to set up
the drive. Here's what I use:

BootIt Next Generation is available from: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/
and it does partitioning, makes a compressed image, does many other
partitioning chores and is a boot manager. It is not quite as easy to use
as Partition Magic but it is half the cost and has more features. Unlike
the crippled PMagic demo, BING is a *full function* demo you can try for
FREE for 30 days. The web site has a lot of support articles.


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Old August 4th 04, 05:30 PM
Ron Badour
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I believe your advice is off base. There is no need to fool W98SE--it is
capable of handling the hard drive. The problem is that the new fdisk may
not work correctly on a 180 gb disk--read my post for details.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Greg R" wrote in message
...
Windows 98se fdisk will only allow you to make on primary partition.
So, you will need a program like system commander 7.5 or greater and
use their boot disk to make the four primary partitions. It will take
alot of time for this to work, it does a surface scan of the hard
drive.

I would not make any partition bigger than 60 gb to be safe.

So it will fool windows 98se, Since you created more than on primary
partition. It will actual think you have 4 hard drives. (depending
on many primary partitions you make). You should not have any
problems, but who knows.



Greg R


On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:36:17 -0500, "Ron Badour"

wrote:

There is an article http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=263044 about
fdisk for hard drives over 64 gb. What the article says is that the new
fdisk is only supported on hard drives (not partitions) up to 137 gb.

What
this means is that if you use the new fdisk on a 180 gb hard drive, MS

does
not guarantee what results you will have. It may not work, it may work

OK
or things may go wrong later. There is no problem with a 180 gb drive as
far as W98 goes so your best bet is to use a partitioning program to set

up
the drive. Here's what I use:

BootIt Next Generation is available from:

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/
and it does partitioning, makes a compressed image, does many other
partitioning chores and is a boot manager. It is not quite as easy to

use
as Partition Magic but it is half the cost and has more features. Unlike
the crippled PMagic demo, BING is a *full function* demo you can try for
FREE for 30 days. The web site has a lot of support articles.




  #16  
Old August 4th 04, 07:25 PM
Greg R
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I didn’t read Ron post correctly. I was talking about the original
fdisk. Not the new fdisk.

Greg R
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Old August 4th 04, 07:26 PM
Ron Martell
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"Lil' Dave" wrote:



Nope, this is a size limit of the last version of fdisk provided by
Microsoft. This is a 1 digit increase binary (X2), big deal. FAT32
partition/drive limitation capacity sizes are way beyond that.

Define "practical".


Practical in this context means, for example, that Scandisk and Defrag
will not work on FAT32 partitions larger than 128 gb. Neither will
other disk utilities such as Norton Disk Doctor.

Not being able to correct problems with the logical data structure of
the drive (scandisk) or to defragment it makes the use of such
partitions impractical, at least for most users.


Unneeded adjective to protect MS's lack of response for creating a partition
related msdos real-mode program to suit today's hard drives for msdos based
windows.


Just like Ford won't provide updated parts for the Model T so as to
make it usable on modern freeways.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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Old August 4th 04, 10:17 PM
CJT
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Ron Martell wrote:

"Lil' Dave" wrote:



Nope, this is a size limit of the last version of fdisk provided by
Microsoft. This is a 1 digit increase binary (X2), big deal. FAT32
partition/drive limitation capacity sizes are way beyond that.

Define "practical".



Practical in this context means, for example, that Scandisk and Defrag
will not work on FAT32 partitions larger than 128 gb. Neither will
other disk utilities such as Norton Disk Doctor.

Not being able to correct problems with the logical data structure of
the drive (scandisk) or to defragment it makes the use of such
partitions impractical, at least for most users.


.... especially when it's so easy to put big disks on a cheap Linux or
Unix box and serve the files up that way. g Never defrag or scandisk
(assuming you use a journaled/logging file system) again.


Unneeded adjective to protect MS's lack of response for creating a partition
related msdos real-mode program to suit today's hard drives for msdos based
windows.



Just like Ford won't provide updated parts for the Model T so as to
make it usable on modern freeways.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada



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Old August 6th 04, 12:46 AM
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"jerryko" wrote in message
...
I want to purchase a 160GB HDD to use with a new ABIT NF7
v2 motherboard (supports LBA45). The motherboard will
support the 160GB HDD (No hardware limit on HDD). Will
WIN98SE support the HDD? I have read so much vague
information about different barriers in Win98SE concerning
large drives over 137GB, it's makeing my head spin. I can
partition the drive (I plan on it) as needed. What are
the limits of Win98se when it comes to HDD (partitions,
physical disk size etc...)

Thank you,

Jerry



 




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