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Start up disk-me ie sp1
NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might try
their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME reinstall might be inorder. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "bagger" wrote: Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. 1. didn't work. 2. If 1 is not successful, this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a picture disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also when booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell logo & Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the system per kb articles. "Mart" wrote: You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! Hmm .. In Normal Mode? That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer etc., it will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from previous 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Two suggested courses of action :- 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and controllers) then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore Boot using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. If all boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your CD-ROM (e.g. D and at the A:\ prompt, (don't select, or close the Help Page) try inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter (e.g. at the A:\ prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. The A:\ prompt SHOULD change to a D:\ prompt. If so, then that's a good start. Now at the D:\ prompt, type DIR and press Return. You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working and WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know how you get on. Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios version line. Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all previous dates were lost which is understandable. "Corday" wrote: Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. Corday "bagger" wrote: i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. "Mike M" wrote: It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at the correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally either C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the files required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a start-up disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try looking for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing file. wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can download the image of a Win Me boot disk from www.bootdisk.com. Download the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the prompts which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the downloaded file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. was able to create a disk from this site Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do with the start-up disk. means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. Mike Maltby bagger wrote: trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. tia |
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Start up disk-me ie sp1
Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean install of
WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe installation. However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring little alarm bells. You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in itself is no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. This leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to create a boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and latest cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just didn't fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes which makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become damaged - and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I start to agree with Corday's solution. But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply suggestion#2, when you said :- this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you expect to open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even have been loaded so how else would you open & close it? and then :- Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Mart "Corday" wrote in message ... NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might try their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME reinstall might be inorder. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "bagger" wrote: Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. 1. didn't work. 2. If 1 is not successful, this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a picture disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also when booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell logo & Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the system per kb articles. "Mart" wrote: You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! Hmm .. In Normal Mode? That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer etc., it will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from previous 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Two suggested courses of action :- 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and controllers) then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore Boot using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. If all boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your CD-ROM (e.g. D and at the A:\ prompt, (don't select, or close the Help Page) try inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter (e.g. at the A:\ prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. The A:\ prompt SHOULD change to a D:\ prompt. If so, then that's a good start. Now at the D:\ prompt, type DIR and press Return. You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working and WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know how you get on. Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios version line. Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all previous dates were lost which is understandable. "Corday" wrote: Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. Corday "bagger" wrote: i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. "Mike M" wrote: It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at the correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally either C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the files required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a start-up disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try looking for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing file. wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can download the image of a Win Me boot disk from www.bootdisk.com. Download the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the prompts which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the downloaded file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. was able to create a disk from this site Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do with the start-up disk. means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. Mike Maltby bagger wrote: trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. tia |
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Start up disk-me ie sp1
Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time.
History- i know just enough to be dangerous. this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me install win ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version soup. After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of reinstalling IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors on occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like what has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. (well, quickest and easiest) solution with me as an operator may not be true aspi2dos.sys was missing that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box need to create a boot disk? after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't going to boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? don't know, just stabbing for answers. as in it didn't restore at all?, yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys restore to an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the patch which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys restore worked. clarify exactly which CD-ROM the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only after about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a periphal usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) OK, i understand. Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Any suggestions on procedures to do this? "Mart" wrote: Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean install of WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe installation. However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring little alarm bells. You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in itself is no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. This leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to create a boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and latest cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just didn't fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes which makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become damaged - and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I start to agree with Corday's solution. But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply suggestion#2, when you said :- this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you expect to open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even have been loaded so how else would you open & close it? and then :- Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Mart "Corday" wrote in message ... NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might try their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME reinstall might be inorder. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "bagger" wrote: Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. 1. didn't work. 2. If 1 is not successful, this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a picture disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also when booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell logo & Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the system per kb articles. "Mart" wrote: You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! Hmm .. In Normal Mode? That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer etc., it will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from previous 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Two suggested courses of action :- 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and controllers) then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore Boot using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. If all boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your CD-ROM (e.g. D and at the A:\ prompt, (don't select, or close the Help Page) try inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter (e.g. at the A:\ prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. The A:\ prompt SHOULD change to a D:\ prompt. If so, then that's a good start. Now at the D:\ prompt, type DIR and press Return. You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working and WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know how you get on. Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios version line. Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all previous dates were lost which is understandable. "Corday" wrote: Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. Corday "bagger" wrote: i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. "Mike M" wrote: It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at the correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally either C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the files required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a start-up disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try looking for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing file. wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can download the image of a Win Me boot disk from www.bootdisk.com. Download the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the prompts which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the downloaded file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. was able to create a disk from this site Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do with the start-up disk. means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. Mike Maltby bagger wrote: trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. tia |
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Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue?
Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. Now this puts a completely different complexion on things. Please clarify further :- 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and with CD-ROM support, at the A:\ prompt, are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that issue alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM However, please also clarify :- 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can see the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install WinMe!! Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. History- i know just enough to be dangerous. this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me install win ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version soup. After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of reinstalling IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors on occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like what has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. (well, quickest and easiest) solution with me as an operator may not be true aspi2dos.sys was missing that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box need to create a boot disk? after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't going to boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? don't know, just stabbing for answers. as in it didn't restore at all?, yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys restore to an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the patch which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys restore worked. clarify exactly which CD-ROM the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only after about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a periphal usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) OK, i understand. Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Any suggestions on procedures to do this? "Mart" wrote: Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean install of WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe installation. However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring little alarm bells. You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in itself is no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. This leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to create a boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and latest cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just didn't fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes which makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become damaged - and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I start to agree with Corday's solution. But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply suggestion#2, when you said :- this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you expect to open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even have been loaded so how else would you open & close it? and then :- Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Mart "Corday" wrote in message ... NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might try their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME reinstall might be inorder. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "bagger" wrote: Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. 1. didn't work. 2. If 1 is not successful, this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a picture disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also when booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell logo & Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the system per kb articles. "Mart" wrote: You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! Hmm .. In Normal Mode? That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer etc., it will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from previous 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Two suggested courses of action :- 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and controllers) then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore Boot using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. If all boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your CD-ROM (e.g. D and at the A:\ prompt, (don't select, or close the Help Page) try inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter (e.g. at the A:\ prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. The A:\ prompt SHOULD change to a D:\ prompt. If so, then that's a good start. Now at the D:\ prompt, type DIR and press Return. You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working and WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know how you get on. Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios version line. Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all previous dates were lost which is understandable. "Corday" wrote: Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. Corday "bagger" wrote: i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. "Mike M" wrote: It sounds very much as if your system's registry isn't pointing at the correct location for the Win Me cab files (setup files), normally either C:\Windows\Options\Install or C:\Windows\Options\Cabs. All of the files required for the start-up disk should also be present in the folder C:\Windows\Command\EBD however the wizard used fro creating a start-up disk uses files from the cab set rather than the EBD folder. Try looking for the file BASE2.CAB and then when making a start-up disk point it towards the folder containing BASE2.CAB when it asks for a missing file. wizard doesn't allow me to change paths. Finally, if you are still unable to create a start-up disk you can download the image of a Win Me boot disk from www.bootdisk.com. Download the OEM version and then run the downloaded file and follow the prompts which should then create a boot floppy. Don't simply copy the downloaded file to a floppy, this won't create a bootable floppy. was able to create a disk from this site Incidentally I can't help but wonder the meaning of your subject line "Start up disk-me ie sp1" since IE6 SP1 has nothing as such to do with the start-up disk. means nothing, only that i'm in the right support group. Mike Maltby bagger wrote: trying to make start up disk, get the following error "the file aspi2dos.sys was not found". any help appreciated. tia |
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are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the
hairpin technique? yes, by checking the 2nd time. the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the directory of some system files. also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following messages; The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. Device driver not found 'MSCD001' No valid CDROM device drivers selected There may be a problem with your CD-ROM Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install WinMe!! I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure. "Mart" wrote: Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue? Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. Now this puts a completely different complexion on things. Please clarify further :- 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and with CD-ROM support, at the A:\ prompt, are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that issue alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM However, please also clarify :- 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can see the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install WinMe!! Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. History- i know just enough to be dangerous. this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me install win ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version soup. After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of reinstalling IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors on occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like what has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. (well, quickest and easiest) solution with me as an operator may not be true aspi2dos.sys was missing that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box need to create a boot disk? after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't going to boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? don't know, just stabbing for answers. as in it didn't restore at all?, yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys restore to an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the patch which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys restore worked. clarify exactly which CD-ROM the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only after about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a periphal usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) OK, i understand. Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Any suggestions on procedures to do this? "Mart" wrote: Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean install of WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe installation. However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring little alarm bells. You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in itself is no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. This leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to create a boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and latest cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just didn't fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes which makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become damaged - and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I start to agree with Corday's solution. But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply suggestion#2, when you said :- this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you expect to open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even have been loaded so how else would you open & close it? and then :- Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Mart "Corday" wrote in message ... NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might try their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME reinstall might be inorder. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "bagger" wrote: Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. 1. didn't work. 2. If 1 is not successful, this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a picture disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also when booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell logo & Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the system per kb articles. "Mart" wrote: You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! Hmm .. In Normal Mode? That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer etc., it will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from previous 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Two suggested courses of action :- 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and controllers) then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore Boot using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. If all boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your CD-ROM (e.g. D and at the A:\ prompt, (don't select, or close the Help Page) try inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter (e.g. at the A:\ prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. The A:\ prompt SHOULD change to a D:\ prompt. If so, then that's a good start. Now at the D:\ prompt, type DIR and press Return. You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working and WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know how you get on. Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios version line. Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all previous dates were lost which is understandable. "Corday" wrote: Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. Corday "bagger" wrote: i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. "Mike M" wrote: |
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Ah! - Progress!
So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :- Open case and check that all cables (between your CD-ROM and the motherboard) are in place and tight. As things stand, your motherboard is not seeing your CD-ROM (so there's no way that WinMe would!) So, if necessary, confirm that your CD-ROM is 'Enabled' in your BIOS - but I see no reason why this could have become 'Disabled' from what you have already described. So, sadly it sounds very much like a dead CD-ROM - see final para. below. Now to :- also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following messages; The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. Device driver not found 'MSCD001' No valid CDROM device drivers selected There may be a problem with your CD-ROM Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE This confirms the previous comments in that Real Mode DOS also does not see the CD-ROM drive. But be aware, the D: drive that you are seeing is the RAMDRIVE (an area in RAM memory temporarily reserved (about 4MB of it, IIRC) by the startup disk utility for 'workspace' to enable the various startup program utilities to operate in) No operations (at this point in time) take place on your C: drive so the only place left is the little bit of reserved RAM. In fact, had your CD-ROM been working, those 'boot messages' would have advised you that the CD-ROM would probably have been designated E: (not D: as I had given as an *example* - my bad!) So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM (you may as well buy a burner - even a DVD burner (and associated software) as they are not very much dearer than a CD-ROM drive. Then remove the old and fit the new. Not a particularly difficult DIY task. Good luck Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? yes, by checking the 2nd time. the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the directory of some system files. also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following messages; The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. Device driver not found 'MSCD001' No valid CDROM device drivers selected There may be a problem with your CD-ROM Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install WinMe!! I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure. "Mart" wrote: Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue? Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. Now this puts a completely different complexion on things. Please clarify further :- 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and with CD-ROM support, at the A:\ prompt, are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that issue alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM However, please also clarify :- 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can see the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install WinMe!! Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. History- i know just enough to be dangerous. this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me install win ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version soup. After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of reinstalling IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors on occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like what has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. (well, quickest and easiest) solution with me as an operator may not be true aspi2dos.sys was missing that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box need to create a boot disk? after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't going to boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? don't know, just stabbing for answers. as in it didn't restore at all?, yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys restore to an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the patch which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys restore worked. clarify exactly which CD-ROM the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only after about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a periphal usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) OK, i understand. Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Any suggestions on procedures to do this? "Mart" wrote: Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean install of WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe installation. However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring little alarm bells. You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in itself is no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. This leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to create a boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and latest cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just didn't fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes which makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become damaged - and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I start to agree with Corday's solution. But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply suggestion#2, when you said :- this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you expect to open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even have been loaded so how else would you open & close it? and then :- Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Mart "Corday" wrote in message ... NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might try their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME reinstall might be inorder. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "bagger" wrote: Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. 1. didn't work. 2. If 1 is not successful, this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a picture disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also when booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell logo & Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the system per kb articles. "Mart" wrote: You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! Hmm .. In Normal Mode? That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer etc., it will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from previous 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Two suggested courses of action :- 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and controllers) then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore Boot using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. If all boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your CD-ROM (e.g. D and at the A:\ prompt, (don't select, or close the Help Page) try inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter (e.g. at the A:\ prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. The A:\ prompt SHOULD change to a D:\ prompt. If so, then that's a good start. Now at the D:\ prompt, type DIR and press Return. You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working and WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know how you get on. Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios version line. Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all previous dates were lost which is understandable. "Corday" wrote: Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. Corday "bagger" wrote: i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. "Mike M" wrote: |
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"Mart" wrote in message ... Ah! - Progress! So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :- Open case and check that all cables (between your CD-ROM and the motherboard) are in place and tight. As things stand, your motherboard is not seeing your CD-ROM (so there's no way that WinMe would!) So, if necessary, confirm that your CD-ROM is 'Enabled' in your BIOS - but I see no reason why this could have become 'Disabled' from what you have already described. So, sadly it sounds very much like a dead CD-ROM - see final para. below. Now to :- also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following messages; The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. Device driver not found 'MSCD001' No valid CDROM device drivers selected There may be a problem with your CD-ROM Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE This confirms the previous comments in that Real Mode DOS also does not see the CD-ROM drive. But be aware, the D: drive that you are seeing is the RAMDRIVE (an area in RAM memory temporarily reserved (about 4MB of it, IIRC) by the startup disk utility for 'workspace' to enable the various startup program utilities to operate in) No operations (at this point in time) take place on your C: drive so the only place left is the little bit of reserved RAM. In fact, had your CD-ROM been working, those 'boot messages' would have advised you that the CD-ROM would probably have been designated E: (not D: as I had given as an *example* - my bad!) So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM (you may as well buy a burner - even a DVD burner (and associated software) as they are not very much dearer than a CD-ROM drive. Then remove the old and fit the new. Not a particularly difficult DIY task. Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time back running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I didn't remove the old drivers in device manager before removing the old CD-ROM. It is important that one does so in order to avoid complications. Can you verify? Harry. Good luck Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? yes, by checking the 2nd time. the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the directory of some system files. also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following messages; The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. Device driver not found 'MSCD001' No valid CDROM device drivers selected There may be a problem with your CD-ROM Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install WinMe!! I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure. "Mart" wrote: Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue? Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. Now this puts a completely different complexion on things. Please clarify further :- 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and with CD-ROM support, at the A:\ prompt, are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that issue alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM However, please also clarify :- 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can see the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install WinMe!! Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. History- i know just enough to be dangerous. this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me install win ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version soup. After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of reinstalling IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors on occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like what has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. (well, quickest and easiest) solution with me as an operator may not be true aspi2dos.sys was missing that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box need to create a boot disk? after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't going to boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? don't know, just stabbing for answers. as in it didn't restore at all?, yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys restore to an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the patch which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys restore worked. clarify exactly which CD-ROM the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only after about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a periphal usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) OK, i understand. Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Any suggestions on procedures to do this? "Mart" wrote: Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean install of WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe installation. However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring little alarm bells. You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in itself is no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. This leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to create a boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and latest cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just didn't fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes which makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become damaged - and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I start to agree with Corday's solution. But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply suggestion#2, when you said :- this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you expect to open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even have been loaded so how else would you open & close it? and then :- Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Mart "Corday" wrote in message ... NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might try their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME reinstall might be inorder. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "bagger" wrote: Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. 1. didn't work. 2. If 1 is not successful, this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a picture disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also when booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell logo & Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the system per kb articles. "Mart" wrote: You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! Hmm .. In Normal Mode? That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer etc., it will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from previous 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Two suggested courses of action :- 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and controllers) then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore Boot using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. If all boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your CD-ROM (e.g. D and at the A:\ prompt, (don't select, or close the Help Page) try inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter (e.g. at the A:\ prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. The A:\ prompt SHOULD change to a D:\ prompt. If so, then that's a good start. Now at the D:\ prompt, type DIR and press Return. You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working and WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know how you get on. Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios version line. Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all previous dates were lost which is understandable. "Corday" wrote: Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. Corday "bagger" wrote: i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. "Mike M" wrote: |
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One rarely needs to install drivers for optical CD or DVD drives. What
you _might_ be referring to is any CD/DVD mastering/writing software but even then I've swapped drives on a number of occasions and not had to change my software. Correction you would might have had to install drivers if the CD-ROM was pre around 1997 or so when standards were more fluid. -- Mike Maltby webster72n wrote: Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time back running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I didn't remove the old drivers in device manager before removing the old CD-ROM. It is important that one does so in order to avoid complications. Can you verify? |
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Thanks for the clarification, Mike. Harry. "Mike M" wrote in message ... One rarely needs to install drivers for optical CD or DVD drives. What you _might_ be referring to is any CD/DVD mastering/writing software but even then I've swapped drives on a number of occasions and not had to change my software. Correction you would might have had to install drivers if the CD-ROM was pre around 1997 or so when standards were more fluid. -- Mike Maltby webster72n wrote: Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time back running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I didn't remove the old drivers in device manager before removing the old CD-ROM. It is important that one does so in order to avoid complications. Can you verify? |
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Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time back running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I didn't remove the old drivers in device manager before removing the old CD-ROM. It is important that one does so in order to avoid complications. Can you verify? Good point Harry, but 'normally' it wouldn't affect CD-ROM/DVD's because they all (well - nearly all) rely on the same MS WinMe drivers. (Not DOS drivers of course - as they're on the floppy disk). However, in this case I think bagger has already confirmed that there are no Drivers shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode in WinMe as he'd already "Removed" them earlier. But its not a bad habit to get into. Whenever I "Remove" hardware using Dev.Man from a WinMe pc, I always do it in Safe Mode - it lets me confirm that there are no other 'rogue' devices and their drivers which have been previously enumerated being left lurking there to cause future issues. (Something you can't so easily do in Normal Mode. Normal Mode only shows the current 'working' driver.) Mart "webster72n" wrote in message ... "Mart" wrote in message ... Ah! - Progress! So, you should now recheck Corday's initial advice :- Open case and check that all cables (between your CD-ROM and the motherboard) are in place and tight. As things stand, your motherboard is not seeing your CD-ROM (so there's no way that WinMe would!) So, if necessary, confirm that your CD-ROM is 'Enabled' in your BIOS - but I see no reason why this could have become 'Disabled' from what you have already described. So, sadly it sounds very much like a dead CD-ROM - see final para. below. Now to :- also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following messages; The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. Device driver not found 'MSCD001' No valid CDROM device drivers selected There may be a problem with your CD-ROM Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE This confirms the previous comments in that Real Mode DOS also does not see the CD-ROM drive. But be aware, the D: drive that you are seeing is the RAMDRIVE (an area in RAM memory temporarily reserved (about 4MB of it, IIRC) by the startup disk utility for 'workspace' to enable the various startup program utilities to operate in) No operations (at this point in time) take place on your C: drive so the only place left is the little bit of reserved RAM. In fact, had your CD-ROM been working, those 'boot messages' would have advised you that the CD-ROM would probably have been designated E: (not D: as I had given as an *example* - my bad!) So, next step is obtain a new replacement CD-ROM (you may as well buy a burner - even a DVD burner (and associated software) as they are not very much dearer than a CD-ROM drive. Then remove the old and fit the new. Not a particularly difficult DIY task. Pardon me for butting in, Mart, but I seem to recall quite some time back running into trouble when trying to install a new DVD drive. I didn't remove the old drivers in device manager before removing the old CD-ROM. It is important that one does so in order to avoid complications. Can you verify? Harry. Good luck Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? yes, by checking the 2nd time. the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? Ah, a closer look, doesn't show the contents of the cd, but the directory of some system files. also, booting with cdrom support before the A: prompt, the following messages; The diagnostic tools were successfullyloaded to drive D. Device driver not found 'MSCD001' No valid CDROM device drivers selected There may be a problem with your CD-ROM Vol in drive D is MS-RAMDRIVE So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install WinMe!! I wouldn't do this until completely understanding the procedure. "Mart" wrote: Hold fire!! - Is this the real clue? Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. Now this puts a completely different complexion on things. Please clarify further :- 1. When in Real DOS mode (i.e. booting from the start-up floppy) and with CD-ROM support, at the A:\ prompt, are you saying the tray won't open with the pb and you need to use the hairpin technique? If so, you certainly have a faulty mechanism with your CD-ROM and that issue alone is just cause for the need of a replacement CD-ROM However, please also clarify :- 2. If 1. above is true, are you also saying that you CAN successfully complete the second course of action in my previous post (i.e you can see the contents of the CD when you use the DIR command in Real Mode DOS)? So hold fire (for the moment) and clarify the above before you re-install WinMe!! Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... Again thks to Mart & Corday for the time. History- i know just enough to be dangerous. this system OEM had a problem 4 yrs ago where a Dell tech had me install win ME over itself where according to Noel Paton & Mike M created version soup. After some painstaking days & with use of Noel's procedure of reinstalling IE6, it purred like a kitten. I will say I've been getting some errors on occasion in the last year or so similar to those days, but nothing like what has happened with the cdrom in the last 2 weeks. (well, quickest and easiest) solution with me as an operator may not be true aspi2dos.sys was missing that is from on making a start up disk from add/remove dialog box need to create a boot disk? after the original lockup due to the picture cd, thought it wasn't going to boot normally. took 60 sec between dell logo & windows. then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? don't know, just stabbing for answers. as in it didn't restore at all?, yes, once i booted & found cdrom not working thought to do a sys restore to an earlier date (2). sys restore told me not successful. should have created a date & tried from that, but me being a dummy installed the patch which lost all previous dates. After the patch created a date & sys restore worked. clarify exactly which CD-ROM the original cdrom that came with the system is read only which has the problem. I tried to purchase from Dell a r/w to replace the read only after about 4 yrs ago. They didn't have a Dell replacement, so I bought a periphal usb connected with burner software (nero) No DVD on this system Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? sorry, i didn't clarify, door won't open with the pb(it did before the problem). had to use the hairpin technique. then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) OK, i understand. Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Any suggestions on procedures to do this? "Mart" wrote: Bagger, on the face of it, I have to agree with Corday that clean install of WinMe may be your only (well, quickest and easiest) solution. It would certainly appear that your CD-ROM is not faulty if suggestion #2 was successful and that suggests the problem is therefore with your WinMe installation. However .... several things that you've mentioned in the thread ring little alarm bells. You started by implying the link to aspi2dos.sys was missing - in itself is no biggie, just a little unusual but does raise the question why. This leads to another question in my mind, why did you feel the need to create a boot disk? - OK, you had a problem with the CD (and CD-ROM) but if you weren't aware of suggestion #2 (which I assume you weren't) then what were you thinking of doing with the boot disk? Then you pointed out that scanreg /restore was unsuccessful (and latest cab.file not started??) - as in it didn't restore at all?, or just didn't fix the problem? You didn't make that too clear (to me). But then you confuse us with talk of an external cd burner. So please clarify exactly which CD-ROM you are having problems with. Then finally(ish) you say that you tried (several?) KB article fixes which makes me wonder if some of your system files have (since?) become damaged - and now with all those little alarm bells ringing, that's where I start to agree with Corday's solution. But perhaps a little more interesting is in your last reply suggestion#2, when you said :- this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Manually as in pressing the button on its front panel? How did you expect to open & close it when you were in Real Mode DOS - WinMe would not even have been loaded so how else would you open & close it? and then :- Also, the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Well as you'd previously "Removed" it in the first part of #1, then it won't show if WinMe didn't re-detect and install it when you re-booted (into Normal Mode) Which brings us back to a 'faulty' (damaged or missing system files) WinMe installation. Mart "Corday" wrote in message ... NEC made most of the DVD stuff for Dell back in "the day". You might try their website. Hate to say the obvious, but a clean Windows ME reinstall might be inorder. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "bagger" wrote: Thks, Mart, really appreciate the help. 1. didn't work. 2. If 1 is not successful, this worked, but had to manually open & close the disc door. Also,the cdrom does not show in the device mgr in the safe mode after performing #1. Again, from my original post, this all started when trying to read a picture disc in my cdrom. Later that disc was checked for viruses in my external burner attached to my system. My sys is a Dell 4100 (8 yrs old) also when booting either normally or safe mode, it takes 60 sec between the Dell logo & Windows logo which never happened before. Also, lost the sys restore function which had to do a repatch to get to work again, but lost all previous restore dates. I've tried all sorts of diagnostics on the system per kb articles. "Mart" wrote: You can't see the CD-ROM in Device Manager! Hmm .. In Normal Mode? That might be considered 'strange' .. BUT .. You can see the CD ROM in Dev Manager in Safe Mode? Now, that's NOT so strange - although the drivers aren't loaded in Safe Mode, and the CD-ROM will NOT therefore be seen in Windows Explorer etc., it will normally be shown in Dev.Man in Safe Mode as 'left-over' from previous 'good' detection in Normal Mode. However .... Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Two suggested courses of action :- 1. When in DevMan in Safe Mode, "Remove" any/all CD-ROM (and controllers) then re-boot and let WinMe re-detect (pnp) and re-install it/them. 2. If 1 is not successful, you MAY have a faulty CD-ROM. Therefore Boot using you WinMe startup floppy and select with CD ROM support option. If all boots well, make a note of which drive letter is allocated to your CD-ROM (e.g. D and at the A:\ prompt, (don't select, or close the Help Page) try inserting a data CD. Then change to the CD-ROM drive letter (e.g. at the A:\ prompt, type D: (D colon) and press Return. The A:\ prompt SHOULD change to a D:\ prompt. If so, then that's a good start. Now at the D:\ prompt, type DIR and press Return. You SHOULD see a listing of the CD-ROM. If all is well, then your CD-ROM 'appears' (from here!) to be working and WinMe isn't recognising it for some reason. Hmm.. Again! And re-reading your original post in the thread, I just wonder if there is "something else, we don't know about". Let us know how you get on. Mart "bagger" wrote in message ... OK, did that, there is power to the cd-rom, but still not in the device manager, however does show in the safe mode (strange). performed kb245567, system information, no data appears in the bios version line. Just trying to determine if the cd-rom is bad. Reinstalling Q290700 restored my sys restore function, however lost all previous dates were lost which is understandable. "Corday" wrote: Open case and check that all cables are in place and tight. Corday "bagger" wrote: i jumped the gun,actually i have more problems than first thought. it all started when trying to view a picture CD, the system locked up. the CD rom now does not work (appears no power), can't see it in the device manager or control panel. did a virus check, scandisk, defrag all OK. Did a scanreg /restore, latest cab.file not started, tried sys restore, was not successful (2 dates). System takes much more time to boot but does. printer, external cd burner, internet mail, local mail all OK. "Mike M" wrote: |
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