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Old November 3rd 08, 01:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
Ian[_2_]
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Default Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP!

Hi,

I am trying to network four computers together in my home. I have a D-Link
Router providing wireless for one of the computers (a laptop). In the four
computers, there is two ones running Vista, one running XP (the laptop), and
one running 98. So far the vista and xp computers can see each other and
access each others files. The computer running 98 cannot see the others. The
others also cannot see the 98 computer. The D-Link router shares a DSL
internet connection and the 98 computer can access the internet. At first,
NEBEUI was not installed. After install, same trouble. I was thinking it
might be the McAfee firewalls running on the Vista and XP computers (The
firewall could not be installed on Win98). Does another protocol need to be
installed?

I would like to know some answers. One of the vista computers was bought to
replace the one with 98 and I would like to transfer my files.

Ian Glen


Additional Information:

-All computers connected by Ethernet

-Computers cannot be access 98 computer by \\192.168.0.108 or \\Sony

-All computers can ping the 98 computer successfully

-98 computer can be detected by using IP scanning software, but no Computer
Name or MAC Address can be found

-If 98 computer runs Personal Server Software, other computers can access
the files in the server root

  #2  
Old November 3rd 08, 09:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
Steve Winograd
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Default Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP!

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:04:02 -0500, "Ian" wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to network four computers together in my home. I have a D-Link
Router providing wireless for one of the computers (a laptop). In the four
computers, there is two ones running Vista, one running XP (the laptop), and
one running 98. So far the vista and xp computers can see each other and
access each others files. The computer running 98 cannot see the others. The
others also cannot see the 98 computer. The D-Link router shares a DSL
internet connection and the 98 computer can access the internet. At first,
NEBEUI was not installed. After install, same trouble. I was thinking it
might be the McAfee firewalls running on the Vista and XP computers (The
firewall could not be installed on Win98). Does another protocol need to be
installed?

I would like to know some answers. One of the vista computers was bought to
replace the one with 98 and I would like to transfer my files.

Ian Glen


Additional Information:

-All computers connected by Ethernet

-Computers cannot be access 98 computer by \\192.168.0.108 or \\Sony

-All computers can ping the 98 computer successfully

-98 computer can be detected by using IP scanning software, but no Computer
Name or MAC Address can be found

-If 98 computer runs Personal Server Software, other computers can access
the files in the server root


Don't install NetBEUI! TCP/IP the only protocol needed on all
computers, and installing another protocol could make things worse.

It isn't possible for Win98 to access a computer running Vista. Win98
can access XP. XP can access Win98 and Vista. Vista can access Win98
and XP.

Configure each computer's firewall program to allow access by other
computers on the local area network.

On Win98, make sure that Client for Microsoft Networks and File and
Printer Sharing are enabled.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
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Old November 3rd 08, 09:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
Steve Winograd
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Default Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP!

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:04:02 -0500, "Ian" wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to network four computers together in my home. I have a D-Link
Router providing wireless for one of the computers (a laptop). In the four
computers, there is two ones running Vista, one running XP (the laptop), and
one running 98. So far the vista and xp computers can see each other and
access each others files. The computer running 98 cannot see the others. The
others also cannot see the 98 computer. The D-Link router shares a DSL
internet connection and the 98 computer can access the internet. At first,
NEBEUI was not installed. After install, same trouble. I was thinking it
might be the McAfee firewalls running on the Vista and XP computers (The
firewall could not be installed on Win98). Does another protocol need to be
installed?

I would like to know some answers. One of the vista computers was bought to
replace the one with 98 and I would like to transfer my files.

Ian Glen


Additional Information:

-All computers connected by Ethernet

-Computers cannot be access 98 computer by \\192.168.0.108 or \\Sony

-All computers can ping the 98 computer successfully

-98 computer can be detected by using IP scanning software, but no Computer
Name or MAC Address can be found

-If 98 computer runs Personal Server Software, other computers can access
the files in the server root


Don't install NetBEUI! TCP/IP the only protocol needed on all
computers, and installing another protocol could make things worse.

It isn't possible for Win98 to access a computer running Vista. Win98
can access XP. XP can access Win98 and Vista. Vista can access Win98
and XP.

Configure each computer's firewall program to allow access by other
computers on the local area network.

On Win98, make sure that Client for Microsoft Networks and File and
Printer Sharing are enabled.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
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Old December 17th 08, 07:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
DougVL
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Default Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP!

Wow!

I recently bought a new laptop that came with Vista and wanted to transfer
files from my older desktop running Win98FE. After lots of struggling and a
zillion reboots, I could get the Vista laptop to see the Win98, but not the
other way around. Now I see that's normal.

But it sure doesn't make Vista look very good. I was already thinking
seriously about adding XP to the laptop. Now it seems even more
worthwhile.


Is there a reasonable, practical reason why Vista isn't visible to a Win98
machine over a network?

DougVL




"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:04:02 -0500, "Ian" wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to network four computers together in my home. I have a

D-Link
Router providing wireless for one of the computers (a laptop). In the

four
computers, there is two ones running Vista, one running XP (the laptop),

and
one running 98. So far the vista and xp computers can see each other and
access each others files. The computer running 98 cannot see the others.

The
others also cannot see the 98 computer. The D-Link router shares a DSL
internet connection and the 98 computer can access the internet. At

first,
NEBEUI was not installed. After install, same trouble. I was thinking it
might be the McAfee firewalls running on the Vista and XP computers (The
firewall could not be installed on Win98). Does another protocol need to

be
installed?

I would like to know some answers. One of the vista computers was bought

to
replace the one with 98 and I would like to transfer my files.

Ian Glen


Additional Information:

-All computers connected by Ethernet

-Computers cannot be access 98 computer by \\192.168.0.108 or \\Sony

-All computers can ping the 98 computer successfully

-98 computer can be detected by using IP scanning software, but no

Computer
Name or MAC Address can be found

-If 98 computer runs Personal Server Software, other computers can access
the files in the server root


Don't install NetBEUI! TCP/IP the only protocol needed on all
computers, and installing another protocol could make things worse.

It isn't possible for Win98 to access a computer running Vista. Win98
can access XP. XP can access Win98 and Vista. Vista can access Win98
and XP.

Configure each computer's firewall program to allow access by other
computers on the local area network.

On Win98, make sure that Client for Microsoft Networks and File and
Printer Sharing are enabled.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com



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Old December 17th 08, 07:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
DougVL
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Posts: 2
Default Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP!

Wow!

I recently bought a new laptop that came with Vista and wanted to transfer
files from my older desktop running Win98FE. After lots of struggling and a
zillion reboots, I could get the Vista laptop to see the Win98, but not the
other way around. Now I see that's normal.

But it sure doesn't make Vista look very good. I was already thinking
seriously about adding XP to the laptop. Now it seems even more
worthwhile.


Is there a reasonable, practical reason why Vista isn't visible to a Win98
machine over a network?

DougVL




"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:04:02 -0500, "Ian" wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to network four computers together in my home. I have a

D-Link
Router providing wireless for one of the computers (a laptop). In the

four
computers, there is two ones running Vista, one running XP (the laptop),

and
one running 98. So far the vista and xp computers can see each other and
access each others files. The computer running 98 cannot see the others.

The
others also cannot see the 98 computer. The D-Link router shares a DSL
internet connection and the 98 computer can access the internet. At

first,
NEBEUI was not installed. After install, same trouble. I was thinking it
might be the McAfee firewalls running on the Vista and XP computers (The
firewall could not be installed on Win98). Does another protocol need to

be
installed?

I would like to know some answers. One of the vista computers was bought

to
replace the one with 98 and I would like to transfer my files.

Ian Glen


Additional Information:

-All computers connected by Ethernet

-Computers cannot be access 98 computer by \\192.168.0.108 or \\Sony

-All computers can ping the 98 computer successfully

-98 computer can be detected by using IP scanning software, but no

Computer
Name or MAC Address can be found

-If 98 computer runs Personal Server Software, other computers can access
the files in the server root


Don't install NetBEUI! TCP/IP the only protocol needed on all
computers, and installing another protocol could make things worse.

It isn't possible for Win98 to access a computer running Vista. Win98
can access XP. XP can access Win98 and Vista. Vista can access Win98
and XP.

Configure each computer's firewall program to allow access by other
computers on the local area network.

On Win98, make sure that Client for Microsoft Networks and File and
Printer Sharing are enabled.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com



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Old December 18th 08, 09:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
Steve Winograd
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Default Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP!

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:35:59 -0500, "DougVL"
wrote:

Wow!

I recently bought a new laptop that came with Vista and wanted to transfer
files from my older desktop running Win98FE. After lots of struggling and a
zillion reboots, I could get the Vista laptop to see the Win98, but not the
other way around. Now I see that's normal.

But it sure doesn't make Vista look very good. I was already thinking
seriously about adding XP to the laptop. Now it seems even more
worthwhile.


Is there a reasonable, practical reason why Vista isn't visible to a Win98
machine over a network?

DougVL


Some reasons I've heard from people at Microsoft and elsewhe

1. Microsoft ended support for Windows 98 on July 11, 2006, well
before Vista was released.

2. Compatibility with Windows 98 wasn't a design goal in Vista.

3. Security was a key design goal in Vista. Win98 doesn't support
some Vista security protocols, such as NTLMv2 challenge/response
session security, when part of a workgroup network.

I'll let you judge whether those explanations are reasonable and
practical.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
  #7  
Old December 18th 08, 09:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
Steve Winograd
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Posts: 75
Default Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP!

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:35:59 -0500, "DougVL"
wrote:

Wow!

I recently bought a new laptop that came with Vista and wanted to transfer
files from my older desktop running Win98FE. After lots of struggling and a
zillion reboots, I could get the Vista laptop to see the Win98, but not the
other way around. Now I see that's normal.

But it sure doesn't make Vista look very good. I was already thinking
seriously about adding XP to the laptop. Now it seems even more
worthwhile.


Is there a reasonable, practical reason why Vista isn't visible to a Win98
machine over a network?

DougVL


Some reasons I've heard from people at Microsoft and elsewhe

1. Microsoft ended support for Windows 98 on July 11, 2006, well
before Vista was released.

2. Compatibility with Windows 98 wasn't a design goal in Vista.

3. Security was a key design goal in Vista. Win98 doesn't support
some Vista security protocols, such as NTLMv2 challenge/response
session security, when part of a workgroup network.

I'll let you judge whether those explanations are reasonable and
practical.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
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Old December 20th 08, 12:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
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Default Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and VistaComputers - PLEASE HELP!

On Dec 18, 3:09*am, Steve Winograd wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:35:59 -0500, "DougVL"
wrote:





Wow!


I recently bought a new laptop that came with Vista and wanted to transfer
files from my older desktop running Win98FE. *After lots of struggling and a
zillion reboots, I could get the Vista laptop to see the Win98, but not the
other way around. *Now I see that's normal.


But it sure doesn't make Vista look very good. *I was already thinking
seriously about adding XP to the laptop. * Now it seems even more
worthwhile.


Is there a reasonable, practical reason why Vista isn't visible to a Win98
machine over a network?


DougVL


Some reasons I've heard from people at Microsoft and elsewhe

1. Microsoft ended support for Windows 98 on July 11, 2006, well
before Vista was released.

2. Compatibility with Windows 98 wasn't a design goal in Vista.

3. Security was a key design goal in Vista. *Win98 doesn't support
some Vista security protocols, such as NTLMv2 challenge/response
session security, when part of a workgroup network.

I'll let you judge whether those explanations are reasonable and
practical.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. *I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Programhttp://mvp.support.microsoft.com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Well, I can sure tell that security was a design goal. My new laptop
PC is constantly downloading security updates. Apparently the design
is an ongoing process. I wonder how long it'll be ongoing. Probably
until they can't support it any more.
If Vista is incompatible with Win98 on a network, how many other
systems became incompatible too? Unix? Macintosh? A business with a
big network and a variety of computers could get a nasty surprise. I
can't see why they couldn't at least put in a 'switch' so you/I could
enable Vista to work with Win98 if it were necessary - like in a home
system where security isn't such a great concern.
Oh, well, Microsoft obviously knows best.

DougVL
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Old December 20th 08, 12:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
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Default Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and VistaComputers - PLEASE HELP!

On Dec 18, 3:09*am, Steve Winograd wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:35:59 -0500, "DougVL"
wrote:





Wow!


I recently bought a new laptop that came with Vista and wanted to transfer
files from my older desktop running Win98FE. *After lots of struggling and a
zillion reboots, I could get the Vista laptop to see the Win98, but not the
other way around. *Now I see that's normal.


But it sure doesn't make Vista look very good. *I was already thinking
seriously about adding XP to the laptop. * Now it seems even more
worthwhile.


Is there a reasonable, practical reason why Vista isn't visible to a Win98
machine over a network?


DougVL


Some reasons I've heard from people at Microsoft and elsewhe

1. Microsoft ended support for Windows 98 on July 11, 2006, well
before Vista was released.

2. Compatibility with Windows 98 wasn't a design goal in Vista.

3. Security was a key design goal in Vista. *Win98 doesn't support
some Vista security protocols, such as NTLMv2 challenge/response
session security, when part of a workgroup network.

I'll let you judge whether those explanations are reasonable and
practical.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. *I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Programhttp://mvp.support.microsoft.com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Well, I can sure tell that security was a design goal. My new laptop
PC is constantly downloading security updates. Apparently the design
is an ongoing process. I wonder how long it'll be ongoing. Probably
until they can't support it any more.
If Vista is incompatible with Win98 on a network, how many other
systems became incompatible too? Unix? Macintosh? A business with a
big network and a variety of computers could get a nasty surprise. I
can't see why they couldn't at least put in a 'switch' so you/I could
enable Vista to work with Win98 if it were necessary - like in a home
system where security isn't such a great concern.
Oh, well, Microsoft obviously knows best.

DougVL
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Old January 22nd 09, 11:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
Henry Goodman
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Default Win98 computer cannot be seen on a network by XP and Vista Computers - PLEASE HELP!


"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:04:02 -0500, "Ian" wrote:


It isn't possible for Win98 to access a computer running Vista. Win98
can access XP. XP can access Win98 and Vista. Vista can access Win98
and XP.

I am trying to network a Vista machine and a Windows 98 machine (wireless
adapters with a Netgear router attached to a cable modem). I have one
printer attached to the Vista machine. Are you implying that it will be
impossible for the W98 machine to use the printer?


--
Henry Goodman
email henry.dot.goodman.at.virgin.net

 




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