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  #21  
Old May 13th 10, 07:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
webster72n
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Posts: 1,526
Default Is there still a free AV for ME?



"Dave Lee Travis Bickle" wrote in message
...
Oh, yes. Windows 2000 won't install on the new board. It is almost
certainly due to the HCL not matching enough of the H. The installation
hangs.


The question now is: fix it or leave it, I suppose?
Oh yeah, and what does 'HCL' and 'H' stand for?
Didn't have too much time for searching, but aren't Dave Lee and Travis
Bickle two different characters?
Hopefully you find it in your heart to excuse my ignorance.

Harry.


Dave Lee Travis Bickle wrote:
Thanks for the thought, Harry. I fried the MB same as I did with the
last pc - playing with the BIOS. But this time was about a year ago
and yes, a decent MB is cheap enough but as there were a couple of
specs of the original I didn't like, I got a different one (which
almost certainly necessitates replacing other components to match -
which is an excuse to upgrade them too).

Whereas for a decade I had a VIA chipset, now I have nVidia - inc.
onboard graphics far better than the GeForce card that expired before
the MB did and mainly why I determined to get a new MB which in turn,
frankly, is what tempted me into playing with the BIOS, i.e. the risk
of frying it was acceptable and I think I was counting on it. Not
only do I now have SATAII controllers to go with the SATAII HDs that
were already in there, I can run Aero without needing a seperate
card, though the RAM limit is still 2G.
The nVidia RAID is incompatible with DriveImage whereas the VIA's
worked a treat, by which I mean DI could see the drive(s) from DOS,
so I'm not using RAID any more - but being able to use SATAII data
transfer more than makes up the performance loss and the backup
regime I've instigated is better for having two seperate disks
instead of two mirrored, and of course I have twice as much disk
space available (though DriveImage from DOS cannot see beyond 137G -
so you put partitions for holding stuff that doesn't need backing up,
there).
There is one fewer IDE controller, so I backed up certain stuff -
such as my mp3 collection (of a year ago), and jpegs etc - to one of
the PATA drives, zero-ed the other and removed them both (which makes
room for a 2nd fan). I lose the useful option of having XP (and/or
any other OS) on a PATA drive disabled in the BIOS. I used to turn
the computer off, leave it off for a good few minutes, turn it back
on and go straight into the BIOS, enable that PATA controller and
boot to this 'hidden' OS and scan the disks in everyday use from
that. Even if I had the old HDs in there still, my DVD-RAM is PATA.
Previously I could disable one controller and leave the other
enabled. Now to have a PATA HD in there disabled by default I would
have to buy another DVD burner, though maybe that is not such a bad
option (except that I'd rather build another pc than continue
upgrading this one). Currently - though it is a limited solution - I
have an encrypted XP installation on the 2nd disk.
Shane

webster72n wrote:
"Dave Lee Travis Bickle" wrote in
message ...
Apologies if I came across as unnecessarily abrasive at any point,
Harry. I've been getting the feelimg I was, though I'm too tired now
to read back through and verify that. Anyway, no, all this is on one
pc - as I suspect Noel may have said (but I'll know momentarily).
Almost all the systems I'm running lately or have run are virtual
machines. I actually tried installing some of the older ones to the
real hard drives, but they simply won't anymore! 9x was never
entirely stable on the 'this' computer - but since I rebuilt it
(after frying the MB) not even Windows 2000 will install on it!

After reading Noel's notes I was able to add 2+2 together.
And no need to apologize, we go back way too far for that.
But you frying the MB?
How in the world did you manage such a feat?
Anyway, a decent new MB isn't all that expensive, is it?
If it weren't for the big water tub between us, I might have stopped
by and help you with the repair work.
I am sure you'll get it straightened out yet yourself, so you can
install Win2000.
You've got my complete moral support.
Now I must find out who Dave Lee Travis Bickle Is or was.

Chow,

Harry.


Shane

webster72n wrote:
Hello Shane:

At the time of my posting the 'names game' didn't occur to me.
Since it does now, I shall respectfully regress and live with my
choice(s). You must have quite an assortment of pc's at your
disposal. It is always good to be in touch with you.

Cheers,

Harry.


"Dave Lee Travis Bickle" wrote in
message ...
Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil
to Jerry Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I found
by searching, i.e. if I'd seen the thread previously I might have
realised Rocky T had contributed to it before informing him of
what he knew before I did). Though the question then becomes which is
better: to continue using a product that will be essentially
pointless in just over 6 months or switch now to one that could
still be getting def updates for years? With my situation it is
different in that - apart from NOD32 being arguably a lot better
than Avast! - it was paid for, so why not keep using it to the
last? Though - while the 98/ME version of NOD32 v.2 not only still
works perfectly well in Windows 95 (a quality now as rare as what
comes out of the back of a rocking horse) let alone 98 and ME - I
continue to run the NT version (of v.2) mostly to get the def
updates for use in portable installations. It is a shame that
those will end when the licence does, but it sure as home isn't
worth the price *just* to keep an updated thumb drive
installation. Stinger is not worth bothering with. I don't know
why McAfee do, let alone the humble user. Their sdat scanner
either run from DOS for
FAT or from a BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS,
can't be trusted after the recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice to
have something other than Sysclean, but Sysclean is pretty good -
if you scan without cleaning, then interpret the results.

Oh, look at the time!

Toodle-oo!

"HRH The Example John Smith" wrote
in message ...


"webster72n" wrote in message
...


"HRH The Example John Smith"
wrote in message ...


"Rockytsquirrel" wrote in message
...
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times a
day..

Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost
continually popped up notifications of the new build and as it
wasn't immediately obvious how to turn that off, I uninstalled
it.

Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore
since I renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.

You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally
it also caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it
on - on which I now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is no
longer anything to do with the interface, as I don't give an
inverted dos about that when it is on a system I rarely use. btw
I had only recently registered it, on account of the first key I
used was out of date. Really, if you mean 'the best AV' you're
seriously
deluded. Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in
tests but spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above
mediocre - rather like AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as
free AVs go), but I was never under the illusion it was 'the
best'. While I still have a little time left on my NOD32
licence, I am migrating to free Avira - using it here in
Windows7 as I type. Once you disable the nag screen it is pretty
good (probably is
*with* the nag too if you can stand that sort of thing). I am
undecided as yet as to just how good Antivir is - though as with
all of them it varies over time anyway. Certainly these days,
though, I will go with the German product over the Czech products
any day of the week. Rather like if any version of Linux was
polished enough to stay on a primary here (I just tried Kubuntu
10.04 both on the metal and in VPC and neither stayed more than 5
minutes, failing as miserably as *buntu always does except for
the too-easily pleased) it would be the originally-German
openSUSE. Though I think Beemers and Porches are a variation on
crepe. Harumph!



  #22  
Old May 13th 10, 08:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Hironimus Potroast
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 3
Default Is there still a free AV for ME?

The Hardware Compatibility List (and the Hardware). NT versions have this
list - I suppose you'd call it a database - off hardware compatible with the
OS. Obviously nothing later than the OS is on there. It can cause problems,
though it's such a long time since I had them that I don't recall the
details. But with hardware nigh on 10 years newer than the OS it can be
difficult to get to where you can install the drivers required to run it.
Particularly when, as even with XP, you need a floppy to supply them during
installation. I have an XP disc I built for installing the VIA raid drivers
automatically, but I can't be bothered for Windows 2000, which isn't in any
sense necessary and it would require finding out what hardware is the
problem in the first place (and maybe it isn't just one component either!),
if indeed it could be 'fixed'. I don't have enough time to spare to look on
it as a challenge so that is that.

Dave Lee Travis and Travis Bickle. I did a search on the name to see what
you would find only to find someone has already done that one! I am
mortified. But that is the internet for you, helps you see your true
insignificance in the universe, creatively-speaking. So, I'm someone else
now. Can't remember who though!

Mr Moonlight


webster72n wrote:
"Dave Lee Travis Bickle" wrote in
message ...
Oh, yes. Windows 2000 won't install on the new board. It is almost
certainly due to the HCL not matching enough of the H. The
installation hangs.


The question now is: fix it or leave it, I suppose?
Oh yeah, and what does 'HCL' and 'H' stand for?
Didn't have too much time for searching, but aren't Dave Lee and
Travis Bickle two different characters?
Hopefully you find it in your heart to excuse my ignorance.

Harry.


Dave Lee Travis Bickle wrote:
Thanks for the thought, Harry. I fried the MB same as I did with the
last pc - playing with the BIOS. But this time was about a year ago
and yes, a decent MB is cheap enough but as there were a couple of
specs of the original I didn't like, I got a different one (which
almost certainly necessitates replacing other components to match -
which is an excuse to upgrade them too).

Whereas for a decade I had a VIA chipset, now I have nVidia - inc.
onboard graphics far better than the GeForce card that expired
before the MB did and mainly why I determined to get a new MB which
in turn, frankly, is what tempted me into playing with the BIOS,
i.e. the risk of frying it was acceptable and I think I was
counting on it. Not only do I now have SATAII controllers to go
with the SATAII HDs that were already in there, I can run Aero
without needing a seperate card, though the RAM limit is still 2G.
The nVidia RAID is incompatible with DriveImage whereas the VIA's
worked a treat, by which I mean DI could see the drive(s) from DOS,
so I'm not using RAID any more - but being able to use SATAII data
transfer more than makes up the performance loss and the backup
regime I've instigated is better for having two seperate disks
instead of two mirrored, and of course I have twice as much disk
space available (though DriveImage from DOS cannot see beyond 137G -
so you put partitions for holding stuff that doesn't need backing
up, there).
There is one fewer IDE controller, so I backed up certain stuff -
such as my mp3 collection (of a year ago), and jpegs etc - to one of
the PATA drives, zero-ed the other and removed them both (which
makes room for a 2nd fan). I lose the useful option of having XP
(and/or any other OS) on a PATA drive disabled in the BIOS. I used
to turn the computer off, leave it off for a good few minutes, turn
it back on and go straight into the BIOS, enable that PATA
controller and boot to this 'hidden' OS and scan the disks in
everyday use from that. Even if I had the old HDs in there still,
my DVD-RAM is PATA. Previously I could disable one controller and
leave the other enabled. Now to have a PATA HD in there disabled by
default I would have to buy another DVD burner, though maybe that
is not such a bad option (except that I'd rather build another pc
than continue upgrading this one). Currently - though it is a
limited solution - I have an encrypted XP installation on the 2nd
disk. Shane

webster72n wrote:
"Dave Lee Travis Bickle" wrote in
message ...
Apologies if I came across as unnecessarily abrasive at any point,
Harry. I've been getting the feelimg I was, though I'm too tired
now to read back through and verify that. Anyway, no, all this is
on one pc - as I suspect Noel may have said (but I'll know
momentarily). Almost all the systems I'm running lately or have
run are virtual machines. I actually tried installing some of the
older ones to the real hard drives, but they simply won't
anymore! 9x was never entirely stable on the 'this' computer -
but since I rebuilt it (after frying the MB) not even Windows
2000 will install on it!

After reading Noel's notes I was able to add 2+2 together.
And no need to apologize, we go back way too far for that.
But you frying the MB?
How in the world did you manage such a feat?
Anyway, a decent new MB isn't all that expensive, is it?
If it weren't for the big water tub between us, I might have
stopped by and help you with the repair work.
I am sure you'll get it straightened out yet yourself, so you can
install Win2000.
You've got my complete moral support.
Now I must find out who Dave Lee Travis Bickle Is or was.

Chow,

Harry.


Shane

webster72n wrote:
Hello Shane:

At the time of my posting the 'names game' didn't occur to me.
Since it does now, I shall respectfully regress and live with my
choice(s). You must have quite an assortment of pc's at your
disposal. It is always good to be in touch with you.

Cheers,

Harry.


"Dave Lee Travis Bickle" wrote in
message ...
Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil
to Jerry Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I
found by searching, i.e. if I'd seen the thread previously I might
have realised Rocky T had contributed to it before informing
him of what he knew before I did). Though the question then becomes
which is better: to continue using a product that will be
essentially pointless in just over 6 months or switch now to
one that could still be getting def updates for years? With my
situation it is different in that - apart from NOD32 being
arguably a lot better than Avast! - it was paid for, so why not
keep using it to the last? Though - while the 98/ME version of NOD32
v.2 not only
still works perfectly well in Windows 95 (a quality now as rare
as what comes out of the back of a rocking horse) let alone 98
and ME - I continue to run the NT version (of v.2) mostly to
get the def updates for use in portable installations. It is a
shame that those will end when the licence does, but it sure as home
isn't
worth the price *just* to keep an updated thumb drive
installation. Stinger is not worth bothering with. I don't know
why McAfee do, let alone the humble user. Their sdat scanner
either run from DOS for
FAT or from a BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS,
can't be trusted after the recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice
to have something other than Sysclean, but Sysclean is pretty
good - if you scan without cleaning, then interpret the results.

Oh, look at the time!

Toodle-oo!

"HRH The Example John Smith"
wrote in message ...


"webster72n" wrote in message
...


"HRH The Example John Smith"
wrote in message ...


"Rockytsquirrel" wrote in message
...
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times
a day..

Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost
continually popped up notifications of the new build and as
it wasn't immediately obvious how to turn that off, I
uninstalled it.

Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore
since I renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.

You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally
it also caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it
on - on which I now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is
no longer anything to do with the interface, as I don't give an
inverted dos about that when it is on a system I rarely use.
btw I had only recently registered it, on account of the first
key I used was out of date. Really, if you mean 'the best AV'
you're seriously
deluded. Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in
tests but spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above
mediocre - rather like AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as
free AVs go), but I was never under the illusion it was 'the
best'. While I still have a little time left on my NOD32
licence, I am migrating to free Avira - using it here in
Windows7 as I type. Once you disable the nag screen it is
pretty good (probably is
*with* the nag too if you can stand that sort of thing). I am
undecided as yet as to just how good Antivir is - though as
with all of them it varies over time anyway. Certainly these
days, though, I will go with the German product over the Czech
products any day of the week. Rather like if any version of
Linux was polished enough to stay on a primary here (I just
tried Kubuntu 10.04 both on the metal and in VPC and neither stayed
more
than 5 minutes, failing as miserably as *buntu always does
except for the too-easily pleased) it would be the
originally-German openSUSE. Though I think Beemers and Porches
are a variation on crepe. Harumph!



  #23  
Old May 13th 10, 09:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
webster72n
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,526
Default Is there still a free AV for ME?



"Hironimus Potroast" wrote in message
...
The Hardware Compatibility List (and the Hardware). NT versions have this
list - I suppose you'd call it a database - off hardware compatible with
the OS. Obviously nothing later than the OS is on there. It can cause
problems, though it's such a long time since I had them that I don't
recall the details. But with hardware nigh on 10 years newer than the OS
it can be difficult to get to where you can install the drivers required
to run it. Particularly when, as even with XP, you need a floppy to supply
them during installation. I have an XP disc I built for installing the VIA
raid drivers automatically, but I can't be bothered for Windows 2000,
which isn't in any sense necessary and it would require finding out what
hardware is the problem in the first place (and maybe it isn't just one
component either!), if indeed it could be 'fixed'. I don't have enough
time to spare to look on it as a challenge so that is that.


Seems logical...


Dave Lee Travis and Travis Bickle. I did a search on the name to see what
you would find only to find someone has already done that one! I am
mortified. But that is the internet for you, helps you see your true
insignificance in the universe, creatively-speaking. So, I'm someone else
now. Can't remember who though!

Mr Moonlight


I've always found the moon intriguing, even though I don't know why.

H.



webster72n wrote:
"Dave Lee Travis Bickle" wrote in
message ...
Oh, yes. Windows 2000 won't install on the new board. It is almost
certainly due to the HCL not matching enough of the H. The
installation hangs.


The question now is: fix it or leave it, I suppose?
Oh yeah, and what does 'HCL' and 'H' stand for?
Didn't have too much time for searching, but aren't Dave Lee and
Travis Bickle two different characters?
Hopefully you find it in your heart to excuse my ignorance.

Harry.


Dave Lee Travis Bickle wrote:
Thanks for the thought, Harry. I fried the MB same as I did with the
last pc - playing with the BIOS. But this time was about a year ago
and yes, a decent MB is cheap enough but as there were a couple of
specs of the original I didn't like, I got a different one (which
almost certainly necessitates replacing other components to match -
which is an excuse to upgrade them too).

Whereas for a decade I had a VIA chipset, now I have nVidia - inc.
onboard graphics far better than the GeForce card that expired
before the MB did and mainly why I determined to get a new MB which
in turn, frankly, is what tempted me into playing with the BIOS,
i.e. the risk of frying it was acceptable and I think I was
counting on it. Not only do I now have SATAII controllers to go
with the SATAII HDs that were already in there, I can run Aero
without needing a seperate card, though the RAM limit is still 2G.
The nVidia RAID is incompatible with DriveImage whereas the VIA's
worked a treat, by which I mean DI could see the drive(s) from DOS,
so I'm not using RAID any more - but being able to use SATAII data
transfer more than makes up the performance loss and the backup
regime I've instigated is better for having two seperate disks
instead of two mirrored, and of course I have twice as much disk
space available (though DriveImage from DOS cannot see beyond 137G -
so you put partitions for holding stuff that doesn't need backing
up, there).
There is one fewer IDE controller, so I backed up certain stuff -
such as my mp3 collection (of a year ago), and jpegs etc - to one of
the PATA drives, zero-ed the other and removed them both (which
makes room for a 2nd fan). I lose the useful option of having XP
(and/or any other OS) on a PATA drive disabled in the BIOS. I used
to turn the computer off, leave it off for a good few minutes, turn
it back on and go straight into the BIOS, enable that PATA
controller and boot to this 'hidden' OS and scan the disks in
everyday use from that. Even if I had the old HDs in there still,
my DVD-RAM is PATA. Previously I could disable one controller and
leave the other enabled. Now to have a PATA HD in there disabled by
default I would have to buy another DVD burner, though maybe that
is not such a bad option (except that I'd rather build another pc
than continue upgrading this one). Currently - though it is a
limited solution - I have an encrypted XP installation on the 2nd
disk. Shane

webster72n wrote:
"Dave Lee Travis Bickle" wrote in
message ...
Apologies if I came across as unnecessarily abrasive at any point,
Harry. I've been getting the feelimg I was, though I'm too tired
now to read back through and verify that. Anyway, no, all this is
on one pc - as I suspect Noel may have said (but I'll know
momentarily). Almost all the systems I'm running lately or have
run are virtual machines. I actually tried installing some of the
older ones to the real hard drives, but they simply won't
anymore! 9x was never entirely stable on the 'this' computer -
but since I rebuilt it (after frying the MB) not even Windows
2000 will install on it!

After reading Noel's notes I was able to add 2+2 together.
And no need to apologize, we go back way too far for that.
But you frying the MB?
How in the world did you manage such a feat?
Anyway, a decent new MB isn't all that expensive, is it?
If it weren't for the big water tub between us, I might have
stopped by and help you with the repair work.
I am sure you'll get it straightened out yet yourself, so you can
install Win2000.
You've got my complete moral support.
Now I must find out who Dave Lee Travis Bickle Is or was.

Chow,

Harry.


Shane

webster72n wrote:
Hello Shane:

At the time of my posting the 'names game' didn't occur to me.
Since it does now, I shall respectfully regress and live with my
choice(s). You must have quite an assortment of pc's at your
disposal. It is always good to be in touch with you.

Cheers,

Harry.


"Dave Lee Travis Bickle" wrote in
message ...
Oh yes, forgot to add: end of 2010 is the date supplied by Alwil
to Jerry Martin as reported here a month or so ago (which I
found by searching, i.e. if I'd seen the thread previously I might
have realised Rocky T had contributed to it before informing
him of what he knew before I did). Though the question then becomes
which is better: to continue using a product that will be
essentially pointless in just over 6 months or switch now to
one that could still be getting def updates for years? With my
situation it is different in that - apart from NOD32 being
arguably a lot better than Avast! - it was paid for, so why not
keep using it to the last? Though - while the 98/ME version of
NOD32 v.2 not only
still works perfectly well in Windows 95 (a quality now as rare
as what comes out of the back of a rocking horse) let alone 98
and ME - I continue to run the NT version (of v.2) mostly to
get the def updates for use in portable installations. It is a
shame that those will end when the licence does, but it sure as
home isn't
worth the price *just* to keep an updated thumb drive
installation. Stinger is not worth bothering with. I don't know
why McAfee do, let alone the humble user. Their sdat scanner
either run from DOS for
FAT or from a BartPE (which can also be run from USB) for NTFS,
can't be trusted after the recent McAfee FP debacle. It is nice
to have something other than Sysclean, but Sysclean is pretty
good - if you scan without cleaning, then interpret the results.

Oh, look at the time!

Toodle-oo!

"HRH The Example John Smith"
wrote in message ...


"webster72n" wrote in message
...


"HRH The Example John Smith"
wrote in message ...


"Rockytsquirrel" wrote in message
...
Avast 4.8 still works on ME and does update several times
a day..

Til the end of 2010, apparently. I tried it but it almost
continually popped up notifications of the new build and as
it wasn't immediately obvious how to turn that off, I
uninstalled it.

Not so sure about the end of 2010,
and I don't have the problem with those notifications anymore
since I renewed my registration.
IMHO Avast is still the best.

You haven't tried enough alternatives then, Harry. Incidentally
it also caused problems in 2 or 3 of the systems I installed it
on - on which I now have either NAV2002...or nothing. This is
no longer anything to do with the interface, as I don't give an
inverted dos about that when it is on a system I rarely use.
btw I had only recently registered it, on account of the first
key I used was out of date. Really, if you mean 'the best AV'
you're seriously
deluded. Personal
preferences aside, Avast! shows the occasional good result in
tests but spends most of it's time at or maybe slightly above
mediocre - rather like AVG, which I used to swear by (as far as
free AVs go), but I was never under the illusion it was 'the
best'. While I still have a little time left on my NOD32
licence, I am migrating to free Avira - using it here in
Windows7 as I type. Once you disable the nag screen it is
pretty good (probably is
*with* the nag too if you can stand that sort of thing). I am
undecided as yet as to just how good Antivir is - though as
with all of them it varies over time anyway. Certainly these
days, though, I will go with the German product over the Czech
products any day of the week. Rather like if any version of
Linux was polished enough to stay on a primary here (I just
tried Kubuntu 10.04 both on the metal and in VPC and neither
stayed more
than 5 minutes, failing as miserably as *buntu always does
except for the too-easily pleased) it would be the
originally-German openSUSE. Though I think Beemers and Porches
are a variation on crepe. Harumph!



  #24  
Old May 13th 10, 09:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Noel Paton[_3_]
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 229
Default Is there still a free AV for ME?

Surely that should be
Heironymus
??
.... or is that also a load of bosch?

--
Noel Paton
CrashFixPC

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
www.crashfixpc.co.uk

  #25  
Old May 14th 10, 04:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Hironimus Potroast
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 3
Default Is there still a free AV for ME?

Noel Paton wrote:
Surely that should be
Heironymus
??
... or is that also a load of bosch?


I think you might have something there. I blame my parents.

Also, I mean the HAL, don't I. Why when I try to install Win2k it says "I'm
afraid I can't do that, Shane". Which came first, the chicken or the egg? A.
The Hardware Abstraction Layer.

My ol' Laverda had a Bosch alternator. It didn't begin charging until 3500
rpm, which was 70mph in top. So, at night you weren't actually meant to ride
at legal speeds, ever. Though I suspect that was the fault of Laverda for
choosing to fit it rather than Bosch for astonishingly-bad design. Sure was
a blast though!


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Old May 14th 10, 05:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Noel Paton[_3_]
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I suspect it was the gearing or spindle-size used that caused the problem -
if the alternator was run of a slightly larger spindle, the speed required
would have been reduced in proportion - so it was Laverda's design error,
rather than Bosch's.
I'll bet it was fun trying to keep the headlight going! (I assume we're
talking bikes here, rather than combine harvesters? - I just had this
vision.....)

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  #27  
Old May 14th 10, 06:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Hironimus Potroast
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Noel Paton wrote:
I suspect it was the gearing or spindle-size used that caused the
problem - if the alternator was run of a slightly larger spindle, the
speed required would have been reduced in proportion - so it was
Laverda's design error, rather than Bosch's.


No, no gearing, it was mounted directly on the crankshaft.

I'll bet it was fun trying to keep the headlight going! (I assume
we're talking bikes here, rather than combine harvesters? - I just
had this vision.....)


Yes, I remember my surprise watching the movie about the assassin - I get
the feeling it was James Coburn - visiting the retired predecessor Sterling
Hayden who has a farm (in Italy?) and is driving a Laverda tractor. But,
yes, bikes; specifically the 140mph Jota 180 (the original 'muscle bike').
And being a 180 - that is, 180 deg. crank which meant serious vibration
(being a triple, the 120 deg. arrangement as with the BSA Rocket 3/Triumph
Trident would have been exceptionally smooth, but originally they opted for
180, which made it more like a 1.5 650 Bonnevilles and joined the ranks of
bikes whose components would vibrate loose and drop off or would fracture. A
year or two after my model they redesigned it to have a 120 deg. crank but
tamed it somewhat in the process and I wouldn't want one - whereas I feel
the 180 is a bike I should have again while I still can). Anyway, one time
the petrol tank vibrated through the stupidly routed wiring harness and
shorted out the power lead. Coming back (to Basingstoke) from London late
one night - alone, apart from my gf on the back - the bike died just south
of Blackbushe, on the A30. This is about midnight, December, nowhere near a
streetlight, effectively in the middle of nowhere (could have walked to
Hartley Wintney but nothing would have been open). First I had to figure out
what was wrong, in total darkness. You can figure a certain amount from e.g.
that the headlight is dead - which otherwise I'd have removed from the shell
and pointed at the bike so I could see something. As it was I had to do it
by feel. I seem to recall getting an inkling but as I couldn't see for
sure...so figured I better try to start the bike and if so, rev it to at
least 3500 to keep it running, jump on and get back home like the proverbial
bat! The Jota is a high compression 1000cc massively over-engineered motor
that even a brand new fully-charged battery struggles to turn. Naturally
there is no kickstart and for that even today I thank the FSM. So it was
bump it or walk. Wonder of wonders I did manage to bump it, and I doubt
anyone remained asleep in Hartley Wintney or Hook as we went through that
night (it is a very loud bike, exemplary of the Italian production racer put
on the road with the minimum of legal niceties).

I once got back (to Basingstoke) from Henley-in-Arden, just south of
Solihull, again at about midnight, along the old A34 (fabulous biking road!)
in driving rain, in about an hour (on the Jota). I forget whether I had
Pirelli Phantoms or Michelins - the former I think - but it also helps to
have Italian handling. But whichever it is a remarkeable feat, I think, if
you care to work out the average speed and bear in mind that the old A34 -
between Brum and Woodstock - is a wonderfully windy road going through the
likes of Stratford-Upon-Avon, Shipston-on-Stour and several small villages
and there is no way in hell I went through *those* at that average speed. I
set out - from my aunt and uncle's - intending to try not to drop below
90mph except where it was unavoidable. Incidentally, I was still courier-ing
(?) at the time. This was when I would over/undertake vehicles on the M25 by
squeezing between them at 125mph.

One time - on the Jota - I was stopped in Churchill Way, Basingstoke, having
been clocked at 90mph under the town centre and I genuinely had no idea I
was going that fast! Another time I got pulled heading out of the New Forest
towards Bournemouth under-taking (almost appropriate) a traffic jam. The
bike cop said I was going too fast for a reading - but as they knew I was
doing over 70...Amazingly I escaped automatic bans the entire two years of
courier-ing, though I did get to where one more speeding ticket and I would
have been banned. After I quit that career came time to take stock and I
found I couldn't justify riding like that, and stopped. On Ilkley Moor Bah
Tat! it was a thrill, but one lost to Evolution.





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Old May 14th 10, 08:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
webster72n
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Hironimus Bosch Beta, Aux. is one thing and Pot Roast quite another, with me
preferring the pot roast @ 16.99 for 4.
I'm beginning to understand the moon theory.
Don't be too harsh, some take a bit longer to get there, as long as they do.
Obviously you had enough cents (or is it sense?) to avoid the two-year
suspension.
"For he's a jolly good fellow..."
Top Hat,

Harry.


"Hironimus Potroast" wrote in message
...
Noel Paton wrote:
I suspect it was the gearing or spindle-size used that caused the
problem - if the alternator was run of a slightly larger spindle, the
speed required would have been reduced in proportion - so it was
Laverda's design error, rather than Bosch's.


No, no gearing, it was mounted directly on the crankshaft.

I'll bet it was fun trying to keep the headlight going! (I assume
we're talking bikes here, rather than combine harvesters? - I just
had this vision.....)


Yes, I remember my surprise watching the movie about the assassin - I get
the feeling it was James Coburn - visiting the retired predecessor
Sterling
Hayden who has a farm (in Italy?) and is driving a Laverda tractor. But,
yes, bikes; specifically the 140mph Jota 180 (the original 'muscle bike').
And being a 180 - that is, 180 deg. crank which meant serious vibration
(being a triple, the 120 deg. arrangement as with the BSA Rocket 3/Triumph
Trident would have been exceptionally smooth, but originally they opted
for
180, which made it more like a 1.5 650 Bonnevilles and joined the ranks of
bikes whose components would vibrate loose and drop off or would fracture.
A
year or two after my model they redesigned it to have a 120 deg. crank but
tamed it somewhat in the process and I wouldn't want one - whereas I feel
the 180 is a bike I should have again while I still can). Anyway, one time
the petrol tank vibrated through the stupidly routed wiring harness and
shorted out the power lead. Coming back (to Basingstoke) from London late
one night - alone, apart from my gf on the back - the bike died just south
of Blackbushe, on the A30. This is about midnight, December, nowhere near
a
streetlight, effectively in the middle of nowhere (could have walked to
Hartley Wintney but nothing would have been open). First I had to figure
out
what was wrong, in total darkness. You can figure a certain amount from
e.g.
that the headlight is dead - which otherwise I'd have removed from the
shell
and pointed at the bike so I could see something. As it was I had to do it
by feel. I seem to recall getting an inkling but as I couldn't see for
sure...so figured I better try to start the bike and if so, rev it to at
least 3500 to keep it running, jump on and get back home like the
proverbial
bat! The Jota is a high compression 1000cc massively over-engineered motor
that even a brand new fully-charged battery struggles to turn. Naturally
there is no kickstart and for that even today I thank the FSM. So it was
bump it or walk. Wonder of wonders I did manage to bump it, and I doubt
anyone remained asleep in Hartley Wintney or Hook as we went through that
night (it is a very loud bike, exemplary of the Italian production racer
put
on the road with the minimum of legal niceties).

I once got back (to Basingstoke) from Henley-in-Arden, just south of
Solihull, again at about midnight, along the old A34 (fabulous biking
road!)
in driving rain, in about an hour (on the Jota). I forget whether I had
Pirelli Phantoms or Michelins - the former I think - but it also helps to
have Italian handling. But whichever it is a remarkeable feat, I think, if
you care to work out the average speed and bear in mind that the old A34 -
between Brum and Woodstock - is a wonderfully windy road going through the
likes of Stratford-Upon-Avon, Shipston-on-Stour and several small villages
and there is no way in hell I went through *those* at that average speed.
I
set out - from my aunt and uncle's - intending to try not to drop below
90mph except where it was unavoidable. Incidentally, I was still
courier-ing
(?) at the time. This was when I would over/undertake vehicles on the M25
by
squeezing between them at 125mph.

One time - on the Jota - I was stopped in Churchill Way, Basingstoke,
having
been clocked at 90mph under the town centre and I genuinely had no idea I
was going that fast! Another time I got pulled heading out of the New
Forest
towards Bournemouth under-taking (almost appropriate) a traffic jam. The
bike cop said I was going too fast for a reading - but as they knew I was
doing over 70...Amazingly I escaped automatic bans the entire two years of
courier-ing, though I did get to where one more speeding ticket and I
would
have been banned. After I quit that career came time to take stock and I
found I couldn't justify riding like that, and stopped. On Ilkley Moor Bah
Tat! it was a thrill, but one lost to Evolution.





  #29  
Old May 15th 10, 06:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Shane[_17_]
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No prob. Incidentally - and if you haven't yourself installed NAV2002 yet -
contrary to 98Guy's assertion, it does not perform program updates. He can't
be as clued as he thinks - which does not sit well with belittling others -
to post that it does, end of story.

I'm just reinstalling NT 4.0 and there are currently 80MB of def updates but
that is all there is. That and Chelsea have just done the double (apart from
anything else, beating the team that knocked out Spurs so ha ha, Noel!).

Shane

Smirnoff wrote:
Much obliged

"HRH The Example John Smith" wrote in
message ...
Ironic, since I would say 'not one worth actually running' - but
there is one, doubly ironic because '98 Guy' has mentioned it.
Norton Antivirus 2002 can be acquired in various locations - the
most trustworthy one of which is probably:
http://www.oldversion.com/download_N...irus_2002.html

This installs fine (obviously you skip registration). You'll find it
is registered for updates for one year i.e. from the date you
install it (and after which it is presumably as easy as it was back
then to reset the deadline). Live Update will do it's thing and get
about 75MB of def updates first time and it will continue to run
just as it did when Me was still supported, updating on a regular
basis. I doubt there will be further program updates, but IMO
NAV2002 is likely better than any of the current free AV software
that does support Me. This is the 'lesser of two evils' approach. FWIW I
have scanned this
download with several quality current antimalware tools and it
appears clean.

Wingnut's cousin

"Smirnoff" wrote in message
...
Is there still a free version of an AV product that supports ME with
definition updates?

If so, would be grateful for a link.



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Old May 16th 10, 08:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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