Windows 8 fails to deliver expected boost as Christmas PC sales slump

Remember when I posted this on November 13?

=========
Head of Micro$haft's Windoze unit (Steven Sinofsky) kicked out on his
ass because Windoze 8 sucks
=========

Well, it looks like it's official.

Windoze 8 is sucking the life out of Micro$haft.

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Windows 8 fails to deliver expected boost as Christmas PC sales slump

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...pc-sales-slump

FOURTH QUARTER SALES in the PC market fell once again as computer
vendors wrapped up a disappointing 2012.

Research firm IDC said that over the final quarter of the year, revenues
were down some 6.4 percent compared to the same period in 2011. Overall,
researchers found that three of the top five PC vendors saw a drop in
shipments on the quarter.

An IDC analyst blamed the drop on the vendors, which he said had
mismanaged the rollout of Windows 8 systems.
========================

Microsoft's motto - "If it works, it's not complicated enough".

That motto is what drives Micro$haft to instill ever higher levels of
bloat and complexity with each new version of Windoze.

With bloat and complexity comes vulnerability.

Windoze NT (and it's offspring) - code made from the finest, most
expensive threads, intended to tantilize the masses like the emperor's
new clothes.

With Windoze-NT, vulnerability is built-in.

98 Guy wrote:

Remember when I posted this on November 13?

=========
Head of Micro$haft's Windoze unit (Steven Sinofsky) kicked out on his
ass because Windoze 8 sucks
=========

Well, it looks like it's official.

Windoze 8 is sucking the life out of Micro$haft.

=======================
Windows 8 fails to deliver expected boost as Christmas PC sales slump

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...ws-8-fails-to-
deliver-expected-boost-as-christmas-pc-sales-slump

FOURTH QUARTER SALES in the PC market fell once again as computer
vendors wrapped up a disappointing 2012.

Research firm IDC said that over the final quarter of the year, revenues
were down some 6.4 percent compared to the same period in 2011. Overall,
researchers found that three of the top five PC vendors saw a drop in
shipments on the quarter.

An IDC analyst blamed the drop on the vendors, which he said had
mismanaged the rollout of Windows 8 systems.
========================

Microsoft's motto - "If it works, it's not complicated enough".

More like "If it works, time for a new version."

That motto is what drives Micro$haft to instill ever higher levels of
bloat and complexity with each new version of Windoze.

With bloat and complexity comes vulnerability.

Windoze NT (and it's offspring) - code made from the finest, most
expensive threads, intended to tantilize the masses like the emperor's
new clothes.

With Windoze-NT, vulnerability is built-in.

Well... I could argue the point, but since NT is what MS is actively
developing, that's where new vulnerabilities are most likely to pop up.

--
Requiring the purchase of more software is not a valid solution.

Auric__ wrote:
98 Guy wrote:

Remember when I posted this on November 13?

=========
Head of Micro$haft's Windoze unit (Steven Sinofsky) kicked out on his
ass because Windoze 8 sucks
=========

Well, it looks like it's official.

Windoze 8 is sucking the life out of Micro$haft.

=======================
Windows 8 fails to deliver expected boost as Christmas PC sales slump

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...ws-8-fails-to-
deliver-expected-boost-as-christmas-pc-sales-slump

FOURTH QUARTER SALES in the PC market fell once again as computer
vendors wrapped up a disappointing 2012.

Research firm IDC said that over the final quarter of the year, revenues
were down some 6.4 percent compared to the same period in 2011. Overall,
researchers found that three of the top five PC vendors saw a drop in
shipments on the quarter.

An IDC analyst blamed the drop on the vendors, which he said had
mismanaged the rollout of Windows 8 systems.
========================

Microsoft's motto - "If it works, it's not complicated enough".

More like "If it works, time for a new version."

or "If it works, Someone stuffed up!!"

That motto is what drives Micro$haft to instill ever higher levels of
bloat and complexity with each new version of Windoze.

With bloat and complexity comes vulnerability.

Windoze NT (and it's offspring) - code made from the finest, most
expensive threads, intended to tantilize the masses like the emperor's
new clothes.

With Windoze-NT, vulnerability is built-in.

Well... I could argue the point, but since NT is what MS is actively
developing, that's where new vulnerabilities are most likely to pop up.

Daniel

On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:25:12 -0500, 98 Guy put finger to
keyboard and composed:

=======================
Windows 8 fails to deliver expected boost as Christmas PC sales slump

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...pc-sales-slump

FOURTH QUARTER SALES in the PC market fell once again as computer
vendors wrapped up a disappointing 2012.

Research firm IDC said that over the final quarter of the year, revenues
were down some 6.4 percent compared to the same period in 2011. Overall,
researchers found that three of the top five PC vendors saw a drop in
shipments on the quarter.
=======================

Is this result any different for other market segments, eg cars, white
goods, consumer electronics?

What I'd like to see is a clear comparison between the Windows
versions detailing the features that are added by each new release. In
other words, what do we get in Windows 8 that we don't have in Windows
7, Vista, XP, etc?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

On 01/13/2013 04:32 PM, Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:25:12 -0500, 98 Guy put finger to
keyboard and composed:

=======================
Windows 8 fails to deliver expected boost as Christmas PC sales slump

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...pc-sales-slump

FOURTH QUARTER SALES in the PC market fell once again as computer
vendors wrapped up a disappointing 2012.

Research firm IDC said that over the final quarter of the year, revenues
were down some 6.4 percent compared to the same period in 2011. Overall,
researchers found that three of the top five PC vendors saw a drop in
shipments on the quarter.
=======================

Is this result any different for other market segments, eg cars, white
goods, consumer electronics?

What I'd like to see is a clear comparison between the Windows
versions detailing the features that are added by each new release. In
other words, what do we get in Windows 8 that we don't have in Windows
7, Vista, XP, etc?

- Franc Zabkar




I tried the "DP" version of Win8. Other than Metro (which I turned off)
it was the same as Win7 only with slightly better performance.

If you don't have a touch screen, I see no point to Metro,
though I guess a few people like it.

--
https://www.createspace.com/3707686

philo* wrote in :

On 01/13/2013 04:32 PM, Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:25:12 -0500, 98 Guy put finger to
keyboard and composed:

=======================
Windows 8 fails to deliver expected boost as Christmas PC sales
slump

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...s-8-fails-to-d
eliver-expected-boost-as-christmas-pc-sales-slump

FOURTH QUARTER SALES in the PC market fell once again as computer
vendors wrapped up a disappointing 2012.

Research firm IDC said that over the final quarter of the year,
revenues were down some 6.4 percent compared to the same period in
2011. Overall, researchers found that three of the top five PC
vendors saw a drop in shipments on the quarter.
=======================

Is this result any different for other market segments, eg cars,
white goods, consumer electronics?

What I'd like to see is a clear comparison between the Windows
versions detailing the features that are added by each new release.
In other words, what do we get in Windows 8 that we don't have in
Windows 7, Vista, XP, etc?

- Franc Zabkar




I tried the "DP" version of Win8. Other than Metro (which I turned
off) it was the same as Win7 only with slightly better performance.

If you don't have a touch screen, I see no point to Metro,
though I guess a few people like it.


Deliberate incompatibilitty, to force you to drop working software
and make you buy partly operational new software and problems.

On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:25:12 -0500, 98 Guy wrote:

Microsoft's motto - "If it works, it's not complicated enough".

That motto is what drives Micro$haft to instill ever higher levels of
bloat and complexity with each new version of Windoze.

With bloat and complexity comes vulnerability.

Windoze NT (and it's offspring) - code made from the finest, most
expensive threads, intended to tantilize the masses like the emperor's
new clothes.

With Windoze-NT, vulnerability is built-in.

Which is exactly why I use Windows98se. 98 was the last decent OS made
by MS. As soon as NT entered the picture, their OSs were garbage/ I
hated XP the first time I tried it, and hate it just as much today.

I have XP on a laptop, but that is only for occasional use at WIFI spots
and is the only thing I use that computer for. I stripped much of the
bloat crap out of it.

My home computer is a REAL computer. It runs Win98se. It also dual
boots to Win2000, which is seldom used, but is there for a few programs
that wont run in 98. Win2000 was still tolerable, but it was a turn in
the wrong direction for MS.

MS seems to think that we need to constantly upgrade and buy new
computers. It's no wonder sales are down. We have a minority of people
who need to constantly upgrade and must have the latest systems. Most
of them are young and use their computers as game machines. The rest of
us, actually use our computers to be productive. There is no way in
hell that I want to keep upgrading, having to relearn a new OS and
change my software programs. My computer is a tool used to be
productive, and I have learned to use it with ease. Having to keep
changing things makes it worthless to me. If I cant turn on the
computer and create something or access my personal stuff, then there is
no point having one.

And all that ****ing bloat added just makes me less interested. I like
simplicity. Not only that, but Windows is an Operating System. That
means it operates the actual hardware. It SHOULD be pretty invisible,
and the programs that all of us install should be the focus. But MS
continues to add "in your face" **** to their OSs. XP did it, Vista did
it more. I have not even tried Win7 or 8. I have no interest in them
at all. Just using XP annoys me.

If MS had any smarts, they would have continues to support Win98, maybe
added a few features, such as better USB support, larger drive support,
and the ability to use more RAM. They dont seem to realize that some of
us simply dont want all their few fangled bloat, and all that added
power. Those os us who like simplicity are ignored. But what they dont
realize is that we too will buy stuff from them if they offer what we
want.

Personally, I can do everything with Win98 that I can do with XP and up.
All my (mostly older) software works just fine and is used to be
productive. Where Win98 is failing today, is with the internet, and
only with the internet. The new websites (with all their bloat), wont
run well on older browsers, and newer browsers wont run on Win98. But I
think that's all planned, to force us to upgrade to all this newer crap.

I'm not giving up on Win98. If anything, I may have to have two
computers soon. One for internet use, and my trusty Win98 system for
everything else. But that seems like a pain in the ass, because I'll
have to keep moving stuff from the internet computer to the Win98 one,
when I download things. But if this is what must be done, the newer
computer used for the internet, will NOT run any MS operating system.
It's either going to be a Macintosh, or a PC running linux, which will
just run a web browser and little more. I'm already finding I have ot
use the XP laptop sometimes for stubborn internet sites.

But, once again, MS will lose the money I may have paid if they
continued to support and make slight improvements to Win98. I dont want
their new ****. Even after all the years XP has been out, I still hate
it. That's the problem with computers. We have no choices. With cars
there are lots of makes and models. Some have all the bells nad
whistles, others are basic cars. This is true for almost all other
products. But with computers, you only have 2 choices. The PC with the
latest ****up OS from MS, or the Mac.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:36:14 -0000, wrote:

[snipped]

Personally, I can do everything with Win98 that I can do with XP and up.
All my (mostly older) software works just fine and is used to be
productive. Where Win98 is failing today, is with the internet, and
only with the internet. The new websites (with all their bloat), wont
run well on older browsers, and newer browsers wont run on Win98. But I
think that's all planned, to force us to upgrade to all this newer crap.

[snipped]

New hardware won't have W98 drivers available. This means you miss out
modern faster gizmos. And anything 2G. 64bit W7 can handle many terabytes
of memory, w98 is limited to 2G IIRC. These things are progress. But I
mostly agree, learning a new UI every release is a PIA.

--
[dash dash space newline 4line sig]

Money/Life question

Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote:

New hardware won't have W98 drivers available.

As someone who has been building PC's from the motherboard up since
1987, I naturally have a stockpile of probably 4-dozen motherboards
ranging from 133mhz i486 to socket-775 boards with AGP/PCIe 3.6 ghz
pentiums.

My most-advanced win-98 system is running on an Asrock motherboard
(purchased new in 2007) with 3.6 ghz Core2 CPU, 1 gb ram, 256 mb Nvidia
6200 AGP video, with dual 1.5 tb SATA hard drives, and Creative Audigy-2
sound card. All the hardware components on the motherboard have win-98
drivers except for the on-board HD-audio sound. This is not a dual-boot
system, nor am I running win-98 in a virtual machine. This system is
booting and running win-98.

I have 6 such motherboards ready to build more systems when I need them.

I realize that the vast majority of people are handicapped in that they
don't have the intelligence or skill or experience or clue about
building their own PC, and hence they are a slave to what-ever is
available to them at the retail level - which usually means they have no
choice about which version of Windows will be forced on them when they
buy a new PC.

I also realize that the desktop PC itself is a dying segment of the
"personal computer" product space - with that space being taken over by
hand-held devices (phones, tablets, etc) and dwindling number of laptops
and netbooks.

This means you miss out modern faster gizmos. And anything 2G.
64bit W7 can handle many terabytes of memory, w98 is limited
to 2G IIRC.

Win-98 can "see" and use at most 1192 mb of ram, and it can't boot if
the system has more than 1.5 gb of physical ram.

But that's not the point.

For the vast majority of desktop-computer use-case situations, a win-98
system with 512 mb of ram can accomplish quite a bit (lots of open
windows and running programs). That's because unlike NT-based windows,
win-98 doesn't need a lot of ram to run lots of completely bloated and
unnecessary processes and services.

In message , 98 Guy writes:
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I realize that the vast majority of people are handicapped in that they
don't have the intelligence or skill or experience or clue about
building their own PC, and hence they are a slave to what-ever is

A _little_ arrogant: true in probably the majority of cases, but also
the limitation of hardware availability. Not everyone has the money - or
knowledge to know which is going to remain a "good" choice - to lay in
stockpiles of components (motherboards, etc.) for which older OS drivers
(even XP, let alone 98) are available.

available to them at the retail level - which usually means they have no
choice about which version of Windows will be forced on them when they
buy a new PC.

Certainly agree with you the if I went to most of my local outlets, I
doubt I could find a Windows 7 machine now.

I also realize that the desktop PC itself is a dying segment of the
"personal computer" product space - with that space being taken over by
hand-held devices (phones, tablets, etc) and dwindling number of laptops
and netbooks.

Indeed. And home-build of laptops/netbooks isn't really possible for the
average punter.

This means you miss out modern faster gizmos. And anything 2G.
64bit W7 can handle many terabytes of memory, w98 is limited
to 2G IIRC.

Win-98 can "see" and use at most 1192 mb of ram, and it can't boot if
the system has more than 1.5 gb of physical ram.

But that's not the point.

It can be for some ...

For the vast majority of desktop-computer use-case situations, a win-98
system with 512 mb of ram can accomplish quite a bit (lots of open
windows and running programs). That's because unlike NT-based windows,
win-98 doesn't need a lot of ram to run lots of completely bloated and
unnecessary processes and services.

Well, say, transcoding HR video in something approaching real-time will
make it squeak a bit. As to whether this constitutes "the vast
majority", there is a lot of truth in what you say - but also, what you
do _is_ tailored at least to some extent by what you know you _can_ do -
though it hurts to admit it.

(Certainly, most of what I do - email, usenet, and genealogy - could be
done perfectly well under Windows 3.1, or even DOS, though I like
task-switching to be available. But I probably _would_ do more with,
say, video, if I had more powerful hardware [with bigger discs], and a
larger internet monthly limit.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

live your dash. ... On your tombstone, there's the date you're born and the
date you die - and in between there's a dash. - a friend quoted by Dustin
Hoffman in Radio Times, 5-11 January 2013