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Problems with additional RAM aand NIC
You have asked for specific information, some of which has been addressed
elsewhere in this news group. As there are at least three issues, this post is lengthy. BIG questions require big answers soooooooo...... [don't yell at me for big post guys, he asked, I deliver, why drag it out, and I did give you credit where credit due] save this somewhere for future reference. Relevant Google Search terms would be (heck you could even check on MICROSOFT, wouldn't that be interesting): Windows "DOSPRMPT" Windows "dosstart.bat" (don't include the quotes; you will find these located in your Windows directory and can be modified by you for specific use) and Windows "Exit to DOS" again not including the quotes; which you can/will create as well. Also search for: undocumented DOS Windows Help contains some basic information (on the START menu). Use the index to search for MS-DOS. http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=134400 General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=232915 http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188322 http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=195176 http://www.aumha.org/ http://www.windowshelp.net/ (don't know if this is still around or relevant, might be .com {memory lapse}) http://www.microsoft.com/technet HOP over to Microsoft's ftp: 08/27/94 S14710 PD0747.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 Configuration Q&A 05/31/94 S14769 97DOSQA.EXE MSJ 7/94 MS-DOS Q & A 04/07/94 S14707 PD0744.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 General Installation Q&A 03/22/94 S14666 95DOSQA.EXE MSJ: MS-DOS Q & A 08/16/95 S15494 OLDDOS.EXE MS-DOS Utilities (OLDDOS.EXE) PCR submitted a master post addressing DOS aspects relating to inability to exit DOS, though much of that material would be relevant to your questions, and potential outcome. From: "PCR" References: . com Subject: How to start Win98 after booting in MS-DOS? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:35:29 -0400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:809410 Well, below is the full Master Post, then-- but you're running out! = Geez! How you must exit from a Restart to MS-DOS depends upon the Properties = of "Exit to DOS.pif". Put that string into a Find, INCLUDING the quotes. = It should be found in C:\Windows. R-Clk it, Properties, Program tab, = Advanced button-- what is checked & bolted? Also, "START, Find, *.wos"-- does any show up? It shouldn't! Here's the Master Post... A .pif (shortcut to a DOS command) is created when a DOS command is clicked to execute. Normally, the .pif will be put into the folder of the command that is clicked. After that, clicking the .pif will execute the DOS program. You may move it elsewhere. At it's "Properties, Program tab, Advanced button" it is checked "Suggest MS-DOS Mode as necessary". C:\Windows\PIF\ is used to hold .pif's that Windows creates when they cannot be put anywhere else. That happens when you click a DOS app on a (write protected?) floppy or CD, I believe. It can be troublesome to have a .pif in there, though. Much can be done at the Properties tabs of a .pif, including having Windows reboot to DOS & run off it's private Config.sys & Autoexec.bat files. http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717 Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448 Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D134400 General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston/Straub), pgs 1068,1099, explains: 1. Direct Boot to DOS (Cold booted DOS) a. Accessed through Boot Menu item, "Command Prompt Only". b. Windows is not started. c. Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are run, if present. d. Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows. "WIN" loads Windows. 2. "Quit" to DOS (Re-started MS-DOS mode) a. Accessed from "START, Shut Down, Re-start in MS-DOS mode", unless "exit to DOS" pif was converted to "Warm Boot". b. Accessed from any .pif whose "Properties, Program tab, Advanced button" is checked "MS-DOS mode" but NOT bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS configuration". c. Is NOT a warm boot; Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are NOT re-run, but are honored to the extent Windows has not mussed the environment they set. d. Dosstart.bat is run, if present. e. "EXIT" reloads Windows (from 4K stub), also without a boot. Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows. 3. Warm Booted MS-DOS mode ("Re-boot" to DOS) a. Accessed from a "Warm Boot" .pif that IS BOTH checked "MS-DOS mode" AND bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS configuration", in it's Properties, Program tab, Advanced button. b. Accessed from START button, if you've altered "exit to dos", as described. c. Does a warm boot, using Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as configured in the pif. (The system files are renamed *.wos & the pif files are extracted for the session.) d. Dosstart.bat is NOT run. e. "EXIT" restores the system Config.sys & Autoexec.bat & warm boots to Windows. (Ctrl-Alt-Del & "WIN" should NOT be used.) If you don't want to modify the "exit to dos" pif so that it does a warm boot, then create a pif this way: 1. "START, Find, Command.com". (Probably in C:\ & C:\Windows). 2. "R-Clk either, Send to, Desktop (create shortcut)". It will be named "MS-DOS Prompt". 3. R-Clk "MS-DOS Prompt" on the Desktop, & select Properties. 4. Click the Program tab & then the Advanced button. 5. Mark the MS-DOS Mode check box. Mark "Warn before entering..." as desired. 6. For a "Warm Boot to DOS" pif, mark the "Specify a New MS-DOS Configuration" button. If you do not do that, you will have a "Quit to DOS" pif. 7. OK you're way out. When you click that pif, you will either "warm boot" or "quit to DOS", depending on what you did in step 6. If it's a warm boot, then the Config.sys & Autoexec.bat inside the pif are the ones that will be in effect in your DOS session. Alter them inside the pif as desired, before clicking it. Cquirke's WARNING: Because of system/.pif file switching, give a Warm Boot .pif a chance to execute after clicking. If you click it a second time before getting to DOS, you may lose your system Config.sys & Autoexec.bat files. http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/doscompat.htm There are even more DOS mentioned there. "Select MS-DOS mode on this page", said Leboeuf. http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/winmode.htm Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "LuckyStrike" om = wrote in message ... | Enough to fit that, IF it's smaller than 2 MB's. heh. |=20 | And IIRC, I *used* to be able to exit MS-DOS (restart in......) by = typing | EXIT, then pressing Enter key, but no longer. Must either C-A-D out, = or else | use the "WIN /WX" command. | --=20 |=20 | LuckyStrike | | How to make a good newsgroup post: | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm | ------------------------------------------------------------ | "PCR" wrote in message ... | I have a bigger master post about the various DOS & how to enter & = exit | them. How much space do you have left? | | | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | should things get worse after this, | PCR | | "LuckyStrike" om = wrote in | message ... | | Good info, ..... snipped | | LS | | ----------- | | | | "PCR" wrote in message = ... | | C:\WIN | | You are already running Windows. | | | | _ Press ALT+ENTER to switch this MS-DOS prompt between | | windowed and full-screen display. | | _ Type Exit and press Enter to quit this MS-DOS prompt and | | return to Windows. | | _ Press ALT+TAB to switch to Windows or another application. | | | | Yea, that's what it says at a Windows DOS in a box prompt. But Glee = is | | right. The first thing to try is EXIT, when stuck in DOS... | | | | First, try EXIT at the DOS Prompt. | | If that fails, try "WIN /WX". | | If that fails, finally... | | | | REN C:\Config.sys Config.bad | | REN C:\Autoexec.bat Autoexec.bad | | Ctrl-Alt-Del hopefully to Windows, & post the ".bad" files. | | | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717 | | Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448 | | Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 | | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode | | || | PCR | | | | "LuckyStrike" wrote in message | ... | | | Wouldn't you just then get a message stating "You're already in | Windows"? | | | LuckyStrike | | | ------------------------------------------------------------ | | | "jt3" wrote in message | | | ... | | | Perhaps not the best way if, say, the person hadn't booted into | | DOS--i.e., | | | I | | | know your answer is correct, but if the OP didn't know this, = they | might | | | try | | | that when they'd opened a DOS box . . . | | | "Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message | | | ... | | | At the command prompt type: win and press Enter | | | | | | Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } | | | Conflicts start where information lacks. | | | http://basconotw.mvps.org/ | | | | | | How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 | | | | | | | | | wrote in message | | | ups.com... | | | I accidentally chose to reboot my computer in MS-DOS. I have = no | idea | | | how to get it to boot back up in Win98. I am not a computer | person | | | and | | | have no idea what to type in to get it back to Win98. = Please | help! | | | Thanks. | | | FOR THE MEMORY ISSUE: From: "Curt Christianson" References: Subject: Strange memory problem Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:05:03 -0500 Message-ID: Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:808803 Hi Andrea, This Courtesy of MVP's Bert Kinney, anf Ron Martell: AM. In reality it will only handle 1 GB of RAM. This will also depend on hardware installed, in particular the mother board and it's components. In some cases Win98/ME will function normally with 1.5 GB of RAM. See the MS KB articles below. If the system has 384MB's of RAM installed following line can be added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file. MaxFileCache=275000 If the system has 512MB's of RAM installed following line can be added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file. MaxFileCache=358000 If the system has 700MB's of RAM or more installed following line MUST be added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file but never more. MaxFileCache=512000 If you go over 1GB of RAM and still receive errors add the following line to the [386enh] section of the System.ini file: MaxPhysPage=40000 This limits the amount of physical RAM that Windows can access to 1GB. If the errors go away with this setting remove the memory over 1GB as it will not be used with this setting. Windows 95 Can Access Up to Two GB of RAM: http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q181/5/94.asp Error Message: Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;184447 "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed: http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q253/9/12.ASP Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304943 Now the question arises, is the increase of RAM going to make my system faster! Ron Martel [MS MVP] has a technique for determining this. http://onlinehelp.bc.ca/tips.htm#faster Regards, Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS] http://dts-l.org/ **************************************** Free memory testers: http://www.memtest86.com/ and DocMemory from: http://www.simmtester.com/ Curt BD-MVBT http://dundats.mvps.org/ http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi http://www.aumha.org/ "Andrea" wrote in message om... I've a client with windows 98 installed. All was working fine since I've installed the antivirus and now a pc with 1GB of ram is unable to open the DOS shell since memory is finished. I really don't know ... Any idea? I don't think that the cause could be the antivirus, because on another client with 256MB of ram, the pc open and close the dos windows withouth any problems. Thanks for any reply AS FOR THE ONLINE INFO for MS-DOS 7.0 check the Microsoft Knowledge base or TechNet, or if your ready for some "off the wall": http://www.mdgx.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page http://users.aol.com/axcel216/31.htm http://www.geocities.com/~budallen/dosecrete.html http://users.aol.com/axcel216/ http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...nics/undoc.txt http://mirror.href.com/thestarman/index.html NETWORKING/NET CARDS http://www.practicallynetworked.com http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/NetworkingProblems.htm http://www.homenethelp.com/web/howto/HomeNet-start.asp IN ANSWER to your general question regarding whether you can remove the items in config.sys and autoexec.bat related to your country/keyboard/video: depends on what your doing... but if it's pure dos stuff, then exit to dos after you create your new exit to DOS pif with those items in the advanced program setup, and remove them all. Rem out each one, one at a time first for testing. If necessary afterwards, go into START/Settings/Control Panel and setup Windows for your keyboard, display, country specific items. Windows does not generally need the autoexec or config unless one of your devices (such as a sound card) has a DOS compatibility aspect, or a program needs (or thinks it needs) to be included in the PATH statement, or some indication of it's existence or it's program (autoexec.bat inclusions - such as anti-virus programs). On this fully configured (couple hundred programs) and updated 98SE test computer, my config.sys has nothing in it. Whereas my autoexec.bat has: C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVGFRE~1\BOOTUP.EXE @echo off SET BLASTER=A220 I2 D1 T4 LH C:\WINDOWS\ASP4DOS.COM set temp=c:\temp set tmp=c:\temp set pgppath=c:\comp\priv SET QTJava=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\QTJava.zip SET CLASSPATH=%QTJava%; SET TZ=EST5EDT SET MIDI=SYNTH:1 MAP:E Path=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;c:\comp;C:\PROG RA~1\ULTRAEDT; "Alan" wrote in message ... | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | ... | Ah, ,, with those types of config.sys and autoexec.bat for Win98(SE), your | running in compatibility mode/real mode. Memory is not able to be | addressed | properly; devices will not be placed properly in the memory environment; | etc. , e.g. Windows can't "do it's thing" in real mode, or a mixed | real/virtual environment, it is a virtual mode environment. | | Is there anything online that I can browse that explains the above in more | detail? | | Memory addressing will be your issues concerning your netcard.. and the | additional ram (last 256) which now needs resource ranges of it's own. | {For | a general idea look at the old DOS info regarding emm386 and himem, and | their memory limitations, resource usage, etc.. Then question why your | trying to use them.} | | The netcard is onboard with the MOBO. Any clue where to obtain DOS 7 info? | | Remove any unnecessary, and preferably all device drivers from | config.sys, | except, perhaps, the ones for your specific county/keyboard/video | arrangements, and himem.sys if needed for extended memory with LEGACY DOS | programs (generally games). Though as your using country/keyboard/video | specific settings using emm386.exe would appear advisable. | You could try to loadhigh or devicehigh those drivers you think you | need.. | | Am I correct in assuming, that if I have no legacy DOS requirement I can | remove certain aspects of the autoexec.bat and config.sys? I assume I need | the country/keyboard/video arrangements in autoexec and config sys or is it | better to let windows do its own thing. Again is there anything on line that | I can read to explain what I actually should have in those files? | | To TEST this, rem out the "device=c:\rmcd\(driver)" lines. If no problems | develop, then remove them permanently by creating a copy without them, and | renaming the original to "config.org" or something that you will remember | as | being the original (just in case). Then devicehigh the config.sys drivers | you need, and loadhigh (LH) the autoexec. | | Can you explain devicehigh loadhigh. The rmcd drivers are installed as per | MS KB article 19303 as I had problems trying to use the CD-ROM in command | prompt mode. How should they be installed then? | | As for the emm386.exe excludes: yes you can manually exclude the net card | addresses as well as video, but it is generally necessary ONLY when using | real mode drivers. Windows will exclude the addresses if it is necessary | (generally found in the device inf). | Also, your files and buffers (and perhaps stacks) statements would be | considered too small for most modern DOS program usage, and conflicts with | Windows 98 defaults. | | So the question is WHY you have all these things in your autoexec and | config in the first place. Do you use DOS mode for something or legacy | devices which require them? | BTW: I haven't seen an autoexec and config like you have SINCE DOS days. | Installing Win95 would have remmed out most of what you have. And since | you | asked: info for DOS 6.2(2) is not exactly accurate for 7.0. | | The PC came pre loaded with 98, which the supplier tech reloaded with 98SE | when the hard drive started to fail and was replaced. I am not knowingly | using DOS mode. ( The creative card makes reference to it in the Device | Manager, but that is disabled). I referred to DOS 6.2.2 as that is the | latest document (user guide) that I have. Again knowledge is weak so I will | be guided. | | FYI: Safe mode does not start normal drivers, just base defaults, hence | you | will not find compatibility/real mode drivers causing conflicts when in | safe | mode. You could try to "step through" a normal startup, and not loading | config.sys and autoexec.bat to see the effect, Igor can tell you how to do | that. | As for the memory in general, several previous discussions have addressed | the 1 gig problem in 98.. 768 is the sweet spot, 1 gig is iffy at best. | | Thanks for the information. | Alan-- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | | | "Alan" wrote in message | ... | | | | "éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message | | ... | | "Alan" wrote in message | | ... | | Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose System | | information | | has it or change a view in a device manager for memory resources. | | This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the Rhine | | adapter:- | | Interrupt Request 03 | | Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF | | Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF | | Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF | | This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information for when | it | | appears to be faulty. | | | | do you have emm386 or any other memory manager in config.sys? Try to | | remove | | it if yes. | | | | -- | | éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User | | | | | | A couple of points. I have copied the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files | | below. I have been browsing the MS Knowledge base and now have some | | questions. The path= command, should I have something more specific | along | | the lines of pointing to the system directory i.e windows/system? (Yes, | I | am | | running the Resource Kit). Also buried deep down in a MS Dos 6.2 User | Guide | | book, it says that when you use EMM386.exe and you have a Network | Adapter | | installed that uses RAM, you should exclude the memory addresses that | the | | network adapter uses, so that Windows won't use the same area of memory. | Is | | this relevant for Windows 98SE (DOS7) or not and is this what you are | | implying by asking me to remove the EMM386 memory manger in the | config.sys. | | Finally, with the extra RAM installed and starting in Safe Mode, the | problem | | doesn't exist, so yes it must definitely be a Windows problem somewhere. | | Alan | | | | SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS | | @PATH C:\PROGRA~1\WIN98RK;%PATH% | | mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi) | | mode con codepage select=850 | | keyb uk,,c:\windows\COMMAND\keyboard.sys | | Set tvdumpflags=8 | | | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE | | device=c:\windows\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1) | | Country=044,850,c:\windows\COMMAND\country.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001 | | device=c:\rmcd\btdosm.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001 | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi2dos.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi8dos.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi4dos.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi8u2.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\aspicd.sys /D:mscd001 | | device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys | | files=10 | | buffers=10 | | dos=high,umb | | stacks=9,256 | | lastdrive=z | | | | | | | | | | | | | -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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Problems with additional RAM aand NIC
What can I say! There I was thinking a RAM upgrade was just a matter of
putting a VCACHE entry into the System.ini. file and Bob's your uncle! Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to resource and post all this information. Needless to say, It will take me a little while to process it all. Thanks again. Alan. "MEB" meb@not wrote in message ... You have asked for specific information, some of which has been addressed elsewhere in this news group. As there are at least three issues, this post is lengthy. BIG questions require big answers soooooooo...... [don't yell at me for big post guys, he asked, I deliver, why drag it out, and I did give you credit where credit due] save this somewhere for future reference. Relevant Google Search terms would be (heck you could even check on MICROSOFT, wouldn't that be interesting): Windows "DOSPRMPT" Windows "dosstart.bat" (don't include the quotes; you will find these located in your Windows directory and can be modified by you for specific use) and Windows "Exit to DOS" again not including the quotes; which you can/will create as well. Also search for: undocumented DOS Windows Help contains some basic information (on the START menu). Use the index to search for MS-DOS. http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=134400 General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=232915 http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188322 http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=195176 http://www.aumha.org/ http://www.windowshelp.net/ (don't know if this is still around or relevant, might be .com {memory lapse}) http://www.microsoft.com/technet HOP over to Microsoft's ftp: 08/27/94 S14710 PD0747.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 Configuration Q&A 05/31/94 S14769 97DOSQA.EXE MSJ 7/94 MS-DOS Q & A 04/07/94 S14707 PD0744.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 General Installation Q&A 03/22/94 S14666 95DOSQA.EXE MSJ: MS-DOS Q & A 08/16/95 S15494 OLDDOS.EXE MS-DOS Utilities (OLDDOS.EXE) PCR submitted a master post addressing DOS aspects relating to inability to exit DOS, though much of that material would be relevant to your questions, and potential outcome. From: "PCR" References: . com Subject: How to start Win98 after booting in MS-DOS? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:35:29 -0400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:809410 Well, below is the full Master Post, then-- but you're running out! = Geez! How you must exit from a Restart to MS-DOS depends upon the Properties = of "Exit to DOS.pif". Put that string into a Find, INCLUDING the quotes. = It should be found in C:\Windows. R-Clk it, Properties, Program tab, = Advanced button-- what is checked & bolted? Also, "START, Find, *.wos"-- does any show up? It shouldn't! Here's the Master Post... A .pif (shortcut to a DOS command) is created when a DOS command is clicked to execute. Normally, the .pif will be put into the folder of the command that is clicked. After that, clicking the .pif will execute the DOS program. You may move it elsewhere. At it's "Properties, Program tab, Advanced button" it is checked "Suggest MS-DOS Mode as necessary". C:\Windows\PIF\ is used to hold .pif's that Windows creates when they cannot be put anywhere else. That happens when you click a DOS app on a (write protected?) floppy or CD, I believe. It can be troublesome to have a .pif in there, though. Much can be done at the Properties tabs of a .pif, including having Windows reboot to DOS & run off it's private Config.sys & Autoexec.bat files. http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717 Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448 Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D134400 General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston/Straub), pgs 1068,1099, explains: 1. Direct Boot to DOS (Cold booted DOS) a. Accessed through Boot Menu item, "Command Prompt Only". b. Windows is not started. c. Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are run, if present. d. Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows. "WIN" loads Windows. 2. "Quit" to DOS (Re-started MS-DOS mode) a. Accessed from "START, Shut Down, Re-start in MS-DOS mode", unless "exit to DOS" pif was converted to "Warm Boot". b. Accessed from any .pif whose "Properties, Program tab, Advanced button" is checked "MS-DOS mode" but NOT bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS configuration". c. Is NOT a warm boot; Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are NOT re-run, but are honored to the extent Windows has not mussed the environment they set. d. Dosstart.bat is run, if present. e. "EXIT" reloads Windows (from 4K stub), also without a boot. Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows. 3. Warm Booted MS-DOS mode ("Re-boot" to DOS) a. Accessed from a "Warm Boot" .pif that IS BOTH checked "MS-DOS mode" AND bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS configuration", in it's Properties, Program tab, Advanced button. b. Accessed from START button, if you've altered "exit to dos", as described. c. Does a warm boot, using Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as configured in the pif. (The system files are renamed *.wos & the pif files are extracted for the session.) d. Dosstart.bat is NOT run. e. "EXIT" restores the system Config.sys & Autoexec.bat & warm boots to Windows. (Ctrl-Alt-Del & "WIN" should NOT be used.) If you don't want to modify the "exit to dos" pif so that it does a warm boot, then create a pif this way: 1. "START, Find, Command.com". (Probably in C:\ & C:\Windows). 2. "R-Clk either, Send to, Desktop (create shortcut)". It will be named "MS-DOS Prompt". 3. R-Clk "MS-DOS Prompt" on the Desktop, & select Properties. 4. Click the Program tab & then the Advanced button. 5. Mark the MS-DOS Mode check box. Mark "Warn before entering..." as desired. 6. For a "Warm Boot to DOS" pif, mark the "Specify a New MS-DOS Configuration" button. If you do not do that, you will have a "Quit to DOS" pif. 7. OK you're way out. When you click that pif, you will either "warm boot" or "quit to DOS", depending on what you did in step 6. If it's a warm boot, then the Config.sys & Autoexec.bat inside the pif are the ones that will be in effect in your DOS session. Alter them inside the pif as desired, before clicking it. Cquirke's WARNING: Because of system/.pif file switching, give a Warm Boot .pif a chance to execute after clicking. If you click it a second time before getting to DOS, you may lose your system Config.sys & Autoexec.bat files. http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/doscompat.htm There are even more DOS mentioned there. "Select MS-DOS mode on this page", said Leboeuf. http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/winmode.htm Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "LuckyStrike" om = wrote in message ... | Enough to fit that, IF it's smaller than 2 MB's. heh. |=20 | And IIRC, I *used* to be able to exit MS-DOS (restart in......) by = typing | EXIT, then pressing Enter key, but no longer. Must either C-A-D out, = or else | use the "WIN /WX" command. | --=20 |=20 | LuckyStrike | | How to make a good newsgroup post: | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm | ------------------------------------------------------------ | "PCR" wrote in message ... | I have a bigger master post about the various DOS & how to enter & = exit | them. How much space do you have left? | | | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | should things get worse after this, | PCR | | "LuckyStrike" om = wrote in | message ... | | Good info, ..... snipped | | LS | | ----------- | | | | "PCR" wrote in message = ... | | C:\WIN | | You are already running Windows. | | | | _ Press ALT+ENTER to switch this MS-DOS prompt between | | windowed and full-screen display. | | _ Type Exit and press Enter to quit this MS-DOS prompt and | | return to Windows. | | _ Press ALT+TAB to switch to Windows or another application. | | | | Yea, that's what it says at a Windows DOS in a box prompt. But Glee = is | | right. The first thing to try is EXIT, when stuck in DOS... | | | | First, try EXIT at the DOS Prompt. | | If that fails, try "WIN /WX". | | If that fails, finally... | | | | REN C:\Config.sys Config.bad | | REN C:\Autoexec.bat Autoexec.bad | | Ctrl-Alt-Del hopefully to Windows, & post the ".bad" files. | | | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717 | | Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448 | | Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 | | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode | | || | PCR | | | | "LuckyStrike" wrote in message | ... | | | Wouldn't you just then get a message stating "You're already in | Windows"? | | | LuckyStrike | | | ------------------------------------------------------------ | | | "jt3" wrote in message | | | ... | | | Perhaps not the best way if, say, the person hadn't booted into | | DOS--i.e., | | | I | | | know your answer is correct, but if the OP didn't know this, = they | might | | | try | | | that when they'd opened a DOS box . . . | | | "Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message | | | ... | | | At the command prompt type: win and press Enter | | | | | | Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } | | | Conflicts start where information lacks. | | | http://basconotw.mvps.org/ | | | | | | How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 | | | | | | | | | wrote in message | | | ups.com... | | | I accidentally chose to reboot my computer in MS-DOS. I have = no | idea | | | how to get it to boot back up in Win98. I am not a computer | person | | | and | | | have no idea what to type in to get it back to Win98. = Please | help! | | | Thanks. | | | FOR THE MEMORY ISSUE: From: "Curt Christianson" References: Subject: Strange memory problem Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:05:03 -0500 Message-ID: Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:808803 Hi Andrea, This Courtesy of MVP's Bert Kinney, anf Ron Martell: AM. In reality it will only handle 1 GB of RAM. This will also depend on hardware installed, in particular the mother board and it's components. In some cases Win98/ME will function normally with 1.5 GB of RAM. See the MS KB articles below. If the system has 384MB's of RAM installed following line can be added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file. MaxFileCache=275000 If the system has 512MB's of RAM installed following line can be added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file. MaxFileCache=358000 If the system has 700MB's of RAM or more installed following line MUST be added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file but never more. MaxFileCache=512000 If you go over 1GB of RAM and still receive errors add the following line to the [386enh] section of the System.ini file: MaxPhysPage=40000 This limits the amount of physical RAM that Windows can access to 1GB. If the errors go away with this setting remove the memory over 1GB as it will not be used with this setting. Windows 95 Can Access Up to Two GB of RAM: http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q181/5/94.asp Error Message: Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;184447 "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed: http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q253/9/12.ASP Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304943 Now the question arises, is the increase of RAM going to make my system faster! Ron Martel [MS MVP] has a technique for determining this. http://onlinehelp.bc.ca/tips.htm#faster Regards, Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS] http://dts-l.org/ **************************************** Free memory testers: http://www.memtest86.com/ and DocMemory from: http://www.simmtester.com/ Curt BD-MVBT http://dundats.mvps.org/ http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi http://www.aumha.org/ "Andrea" wrote in message om... I've a client with windows 98 installed. All was working fine since I've installed the antivirus and now a pc with 1GB of ram is unable to open the DOS shell since memory is finished. I really don't know ... Any idea? I don't think that the cause could be the antivirus, because on another client with 256MB of ram, the pc open and close the dos windows withouth any problems. Thanks for any reply AS FOR THE ONLINE INFO for MS-DOS 7.0 check the Microsoft Knowledge base or TechNet, or if your ready for some "off the wall": http://www.mdgx.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page http://users.aol.com/axcel216/31.htm http://www.geocities.com/~budallen/dosecrete.html http://users.aol.com/axcel216/ http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...nics/undoc.txt http://mirror.href.com/thestarman/index.html NETWORKING/NET CARDS http://www.practicallynetworked.com http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/NetworkingProblems.htm http://www.homenethelp.com/web/howto/HomeNet-start.asp IN ANSWER to your general question regarding whether you can remove the items in config.sys and autoexec.bat related to your country/keyboard/video: depends on what your doing... but if it's pure dos stuff, then exit to dos after you create your new exit to DOS pif with those items in the advanced program setup, and remove them all. Rem out each one, one at a time first for testing. If necessary afterwards, go into START/Settings/Control Panel and setup Windows for your keyboard, display, country specific items. Windows does not generally need the autoexec or config unless one of your devices (such as a sound card) has a DOS compatibility aspect, or a program needs (or thinks it needs) to be included in the PATH statement, or some indication of it's existence or it's program (autoexec.bat inclusions - such as anti-virus programs). On this fully configured (couple hundred programs) and updated 98SE test computer, my config.sys has nothing in it. Whereas my autoexec.bat has: C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVGFRE~1\BOOTUP.EXE @echo off SET BLASTER=A220 I2 D1 T4 LH C:\WINDOWS\ASP4DOS.COM set temp=c:\temp set tmp=c:\temp set pgppath=c:\comp\priv SET QTJava=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\QTJava.zip SET CLASSPATH=%QTJava%; SET TZ=EST5EDT SET MIDI=SYNTH:1 MAP:E Path=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;c:\comp;C:\PROG RA~1\ULTRAEDT; "Alan" wrote in message ... | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | ... | Ah, ,, with those types of config.sys and autoexec.bat for Win98(SE), your | running in compatibility mode/real mode. Memory is not able to be | addressed | properly; devices will not be placed properly in the memory environment; | etc. , e.g. Windows can't "do it's thing" in real mode, or a mixed | real/virtual environment, it is a virtual mode environment. | | Is there anything online that I can browse that explains the above in more | detail? | | Memory addressing will be your issues concerning your netcard.. and the | additional ram (last 256) which now needs resource ranges of it's own. | {For | a general idea look at the old DOS info regarding emm386 and himem, and | their memory limitations, resource usage, etc.. Then question why your | trying to use them.} | | The netcard is onboard with the MOBO. Any clue where to obtain DOS 7 info? | | Remove any unnecessary, and preferably all device drivers from | config.sys, | except, perhaps, the ones for your specific county/keyboard/video | arrangements, and himem.sys if needed for extended memory with LEGACY DOS | programs (generally games). Though as your using country/keyboard/video | specific settings using emm386.exe would appear advisable. | You could try to loadhigh or devicehigh those drivers you think you | need.. | | Am I correct in assuming, that if I have no legacy DOS requirement I can | remove certain aspects of the autoexec.bat and config.sys? I assume I need | the country/keyboard/video arrangements in autoexec and config sys or is it | better to let windows do its own thing. Again is there anything on line that | I can read to explain what I actually should have in those files? | | To TEST this, rem out the "device=c:\rmcd\(driver)" lines. If no problems | develop, then remove them permanently by creating a copy without them, and | renaming the original to "config.org" or something that you will remember | as | being the original (just in case). Then devicehigh the config.sys drivers | you need, and loadhigh (LH) the autoexec. | | Can you explain devicehigh loadhigh. The rmcd drivers are installed as per | MS KB article 19303 as I had problems trying to use the CD-ROM in command | prompt mode. How should they be installed then? | | As for the emm386.exe excludes: yes you can manually exclude the net card | addresses as well as video, but it is generally necessary ONLY when using | real mode drivers. Windows will exclude the addresses if it is necessary | (generally found in the device inf). | Also, your files and buffers (and perhaps stacks) statements would be | considered too small for most modern DOS program usage, and conflicts with | Windows 98 defaults. | | So the question is WHY you have all these things in your autoexec and | config in the first place. Do you use DOS mode for something or legacy | devices which require them? | BTW: I haven't seen an autoexec and config like you have SINCE DOS days. | Installing Win95 would have remmed out most of what you have. And since | you | asked: info for DOS 6.2(2) is not exactly accurate for 7.0. | | The PC came pre loaded with 98, which the supplier tech reloaded with 98SE | when the hard drive started to fail and was replaced. I am not knowingly | using DOS mode. ( The creative card makes reference to it in the Device | Manager, but that is disabled). I referred to DOS 6.2.2 as that is the | latest document (user guide) that I have. Again knowledge is weak so I will | be guided. | | FYI: Safe mode does not start normal drivers, just base defaults, hence | you | will not find compatibility/real mode drivers causing conflicts when in | safe | mode. You could try to "step through" a normal startup, and not loading | config.sys and autoexec.bat to see the effect, Igor can tell you how to do | that. | As for the memory in general, several previous discussions have addressed | the 1 gig problem in 98.. 768 is the sweet spot, 1 gig is iffy at best. | | Thanks for the information. | Alan-- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | | | "Alan" wrote in message | ... | | | | "éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message | | ... | | "Alan" wrote in message | | ... | | Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose System | | information | | has it or change a view in a device manager for memory resources. | | This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the Rhine | | adapter:- | | Interrupt Request 03 | | Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF | | Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF | | Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF | | This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information for when | it | | appears to be faulty. | | | | do you have emm386 or any other memory manager in config.sys? Try to | | remove | | it if yes. | | | | -- | | éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User | | | | | | A couple of points. I have copied the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files | | below. I have been browsing the MS Knowledge base and now have some | | questions. The path= command, should I have something more specific | along | | the lines of pointing to the system directory i.e windows/system? (Yes, | I | am | | running the Resource Kit). Also buried deep down in a MS Dos 6.2 User | Guide | | book, it says that when you use EMM386.exe and you have a Network | Adapter | | installed that uses RAM, you should exclude the memory addresses that | the | | network adapter uses, so that Windows won't use the same area of memory. | Is | | this relevant for Windows 98SE (DOS7) or not and is this what you are | | implying by asking me to remove the EMM386 memory manger in the | config.sys. | | Finally, with the extra RAM installed and starting in Safe Mode, the | problem | | doesn't exist, so yes it must definitely be a Windows problem somewhere. | | Alan | | | | SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS | | @PATH C:\PROGRA~1\WIN98RK;%PATH% | | mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi) | | mode con codepage select=850 | | keyb uk,,c:\windows\COMMAND\keyboard.sys | | Set tvdumpflags=8 | | | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE | | device=c:\windows\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1) | | Country=044,850,c:\windows\COMMAND\country.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001 | | device=c:\rmcd\btdosm.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001 | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi2dos.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi8dos.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi4dos.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi8u2.sys | | device=c:\rmcd\aspicd.sys /D:mscd001 | | device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys | | files=10 | | buffers=10 | | dos=high,umb | | stacks=9,256 | | lastdrive=z | | | | | | | | | | | | | -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. 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Good luck with the info. I think you'll find there are many more uses for this "old" operating environment than many will admit. Kinda like us "old guys"; guess we can still provide some kind of function... hehe grin -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ "Alan" wrote in message ... | What can I say! There I was thinking a RAM upgrade was just a matter of | putting a VCACHE entry into the System.ini. file and Bob's your uncle! Many | thanks for taking the time and trouble to resource and post all this | information. Needless to say, It will take me a little while to process it | all. | Thanks again. | Alan. | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | ... | You have asked for specific information, some of which has been addressed | elsewhere in this news group. As there are at least three issues, this | post | is lengthy. | | BIG questions require big answers soooooooo...... [don't yell at me for | big | post guys, he asked, I deliver, why drag it out, and I did give you credit | where credit due] save this somewhere for future reference. | | Relevant Google Search terms would be (heck you could even check on | MICROSOFT, wouldn't that be interesting): | | Windows "DOSPRMPT" | Windows "dosstart.bat" | (don't include the quotes; you will find these located in your Windows | directory and can be modified by you for specific use) and | Windows "Exit to DOS" | again not including the quotes; which you can/will create as well. | | Also search for: | undocumented DOS | | Windows Help contains some basic information (on the START menu). Use the | index to search for MS-DOS. | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=134400 | General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=232915 | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188322 | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=195176 | http://www.aumha.org/ | http://www.windowshelp.net/ (don't know if this is still around or | relevant, might be .com {memory lapse}) | http://www.microsoft.com/technet | | HOP over to Microsoft's ftp: | 08/27/94 S14710 PD0747.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 Configuration Q&A | 05/31/94 S14769 97DOSQA.EXE MSJ 7/94 MS-DOS Q & A | 04/07/94 S14707 PD0744.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 General | Installation | Q&A | 03/22/94 S14666 95DOSQA.EXE MSJ: MS-DOS Q & A | 08/16/95 S15494 OLDDOS.EXE MS-DOS Utilities (OLDDOS.EXE) | | | | PCR submitted a master post addressing DOS aspects relating to inability | to | exit DOS, though much of that material would be relevant to your | questions, | and potential outcome. | | From: "PCR" | References: . com | | | | | | | | Subject: How to start Win98 after booting in MS-DOS? | Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:35:29 -0400 | Message-ID: | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion | Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:809410 | | Well, below is the full Master Post, then-- but you're running out! = | Geez! | | How you must exit from a Restart to MS-DOS depends upon the Properties = | of "Exit to DOS.pif". Put that string into a Find, INCLUDING the quotes. = | It should be found in C:\Windows. R-Clk it, Properties, Program tab, = | Advanced button-- what is checked & bolted? | | Also, "START, Find, *.wos"-- does any show up? It shouldn't! | | Here's the Master Post... | | A .pif (shortcut to a DOS command) is created when a DOS command is | clicked to execute. Normally, the .pif will be put into the folder of | the command that is clicked. After that, clicking the .pif will execute | the DOS program. You may move it elsewhere. At it's "Properties, Program | tab, Advanced button" it is checked "Suggest MS-DOS Mode as necessary". | C:\Windows\PIF\ is used to hold .pif's that Windows creates when they | cannot be put anywhere else. That happens when you click a DOS app on a | (write protected?) floppy or CD, I believe. It can be troublesome to | have a .pif in there, though. | | Much can be done at the Properties tabs of a .pif, including having | Windows reboot to DOS & run off it's private Config.sys & Autoexec.bat | files. | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717 | Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448 | Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D134400 | General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode | | "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston/Straub), pgs 1068,1099, explains: | | 1. Direct Boot to DOS (Cold booted DOS) | | a. Accessed through Boot Menu item, "Command Prompt Only". | b. Windows is not started. | c. Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are run, if present. | d. Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows. "WIN" loads Windows. | | 2. "Quit" to DOS (Re-started MS-DOS mode) | | a. Accessed from "START, Shut Down, Re-start in MS-DOS mode", unless | "exit to DOS" pif was converted to "Warm Boot". | b. Accessed from any .pif whose "Properties, Program tab, Advanced | button" is checked "MS-DOS mode" but NOT bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS | configuration". | c. Is NOT a warm boot; Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are NOT re-run, but are | honored to the extent Windows has not mussed the environment they set. | d. Dosstart.bat is run, if present. | e. "EXIT" reloads Windows (from 4K stub), also without a boot. | Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows. | | 3. Warm Booted MS-DOS mode ("Re-boot" to DOS) | | a. Accessed from a "Warm Boot" .pif that IS BOTH checked "MS-DOS mode" | AND bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS configuration", in it's Properties, | Program tab, Advanced button. | b. Accessed from START button, if you've altered "exit to dos", as | described. | c. Does a warm boot, using Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as configured in | the pif. (The system files are renamed *.wos & the pif files are | extracted for the session.) | d. Dosstart.bat is NOT run. | e. "EXIT" restores the system Config.sys & Autoexec.bat & warm boots to | Windows. (Ctrl-Alt-Del & "WIN" should NOT be used.) | | If you don't want to modify the "exit to dos" pif so that it does a warm | boot, then create a pif this way: | | 1. "START, Find, Command.com". (Probably in C:\ & C:\Windows). | 2. "R-Clk either, Send to, Desktop (create shortcut)". It will be named | "MS-DOS Prompt". | 3. R-Clk "MS-DOS Prompt" on the Desktop, & select Properties. | 4. Click the Program tab & then the Advanced button. | 5. Mark the MS-DOS Mode check box. Mark "Warn before entering..." as | desired. | 6. For a "Warm Boot to DOS" pif, mark the "Specify a New MS-DOS | Configuration" button. If you do not do that, you will have a "Quit to | DOS" pif. | 7. OK you're way out. | | When you click that pif, you will either "warm boot" or "quit to DOS", | depending on what you did in step 6. If it's a warm boot, then the | Config.sys & Autoexec.bat inside the pif are the ones that will be in | effect in your DOS session. Alter them inside the pif as desired, before | clicking it. | | Cquirke's WARNING: Because of system/.pif file switching, give a Warm | Boot .pif a chance to execute after clicking. If you click it a second | time before getting to DOS, you may lose your system Config.sys & | Autoexec.bat files. | | http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/doscompat.htm | There are even more DOS mentioned there. | | "Select MS-DOS mode on this page", said Leboeuf. | http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/winmode.htm | | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | should things get worse after this, | PCR | | "LuckyStrike" om = | wrote in message ... | | Enough to fit that, IF it's smaller than 2 MB's. heh. | |=20 | | And IIRC, I *used* to be able to exit MS-DOS (restart in......) by = | typing | | EXIT, then pressing Enter key, but no longer. Must either C-A-D out, = | or else | | use the "WIN /WX" command. | | --=20 | |=20 | | LuckyStrike | | | | How to make a good newsgroup post: | | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm | | ------------------------------------------------------------ | | "PCR" wrote in message ... | | I have a bigger master post about the various DOS & how to enter & = | exit | | them. How much space do you have left? | | | | | | Thanks or Good Luck, | | There may be humor in this post, and, | | Naturally, you will not sue, | | should things get worse after this, | | PCR | | | | "LuckyStrike" om = | wrote in | | message ... | | | Good info, ..... snipped | | | LS | | | ----------- | | | | | | "PCR" wrote in message = | ... | | | C:\WIN | | | You are already running Windows. | | | | | | _ Press ALT+ENTER to switch this MS-DOS prompt between | | | windowed and full-screen display. | | | _ Type Exit and press Enter to quit this MS-DOS prompt and | | | return to Windows. | | | _ Press ALT+TAB to switch to Windows or another application. | | | | | | Yea, that's what it says at a Windows DOS in a box prompt. But Glee = | is | | | right. The first thing to try is EXIT, when stuck in DOS... | | | | | | First, try EXIT at the DOS Prompt. | | | If that fails, try "WIN /WX". | | | If that fails, finally... | | | | | | REN C:\Config.sys Config.bad | | | REN C:\Autoexec.bat Autoexec.bad | | | Ctrl-Alt-Del hopefully to Windows, & post the ".bad" files. | | | | | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717 | | | Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode | | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448 | | | Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode | | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 | | | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode | | | | || | PCR | | | | | | "LuckyStrike" wrote in message | | ... | | | | Wouldn't you just then get a message stating "You're already in | | Windows"? | | | | LuckyStrike | | | | ------------------------------------------------------------ | | | | "jt3" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | Perhaps not the best way if, say, the person hadn't booted into | | | DOS--i.e., | | | | I | | | | know your answer is correct, but if the OP didn't know this, = | they | | might | | | | try | | | | that when they'd opened a DOS box . . . | | | | "Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | At the command prompt type: win and press Enter | | | | | | | | Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } | | | | Conflicts start where information lacks. | | | | http://basconotw.mvps.org/ | | | | | | | | How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 | | | | | | | | | | | | wrote in message | | | | ups.com... | | | | I accidentally chose to reboot my computer in MS-DOS. I have = | no | | idea | | | | how to get it to boot back up in Win98. I am not a computer | | person | | | | and | | | | have no idea what to type in to get it back to Win98. = | Please | | help! | | | | Thanks. | | | | | | FOR THE MEMORY ISSUE: | | From: "Curt Christianson" | References: | Subject: Strange memory problem | Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:05:03 -0500 | Message-ID: | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion | Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:808803 | | Hi Andrea, | | This Courtesy of MVP's Bert Kinney, anf Ron Martell: | | AM. In reality it will only handle 1 GB of RAM. This will also depend on | hardware installed, in particular the mother board and it's components. | In some cases Win98/ME will function normally with 1.5 GB of RAM. | See the MS KB articles below. | | If the system has 384MB's of RAM installed following line can be | added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file. | MaxFileCache=275000 | | If the system has 512MB's of RAM installed following line can be | added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file. | MaxFileCache=358000 | | If the system has 700MB's of RAM or more installed following line MUST be | added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file but never | more. | MaxFileCache=512000 | | If you go over 1GB of RAM and still receive errors add the following line | to the [386enh] section of the System.ini file: MaxPhysPage=40000 | This limits the amount of physical RAM that Windows can access | to 1GB. If the errors go away with this setting remove the memory over | 1GB as it will not be used with this setting. | | Windows 95 Can Access Up to Two GB of RAM: | http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q181/5/94.asp | | Error Message: Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows: | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;184447 | | "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed: | http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q253/9/12.ASP | | Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM: | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304943 | | Now the question arises, is the increase of RAM going to make my system | faster! Ron Martel [MS MVP] has a technique for determining this. | http://onlinehelp.bc.ca/tips.htm#faster | | Regards, | Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS] | http://dts-l.org/ | **************************************** | Free memory testers: | http://www.memtest86.com/ | and | DocMemory from: | http://www.simmtester.com/ | | Curt BD-MVBT | | http://dundats.mvps.org/ | http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi | http://www.aumha.org/ | "Andrea" wrote in message | om... | I've a client with windows 98 installed. All was working fine since I've | installed the antivirus and now a pc with 1GB of ram is unable to open | the | DOS shell since memory is finished. | | I really don't know ... Any idea? I don't think that the cause could be | the antivirus, because on another client with 256MB of ram, the pc open | and close the dos windows withouth any problems. | | Thanks for any reply | | | | | AS FOR THE ONLINE INFO for MS-DOS 7.0 check the Microsoft Knowledge base | or | TechNet, or if your ready for some "off the wall": | http://www.mdgx.com/ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page | http://users.aol.com/axcel216/31.htm | http://www.geocities.com/~budallen/dosecrete.html | http://users.aol.com/axcel216/ | http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...nics/undoc.txt | http://mirror.href.com/thestarman/index.html | | NETWORKING/NET CARDS | http://www.practicallynetworked.com | http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm | http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/NetworkingProblems.htm | http://www.homenethelp.com/web/howto/HomeNet-start.asp | | | IN ANSWER to your general question regarding whether you can remove the | items in config.sys and autoexec.bat related to your | country/keyboard/video: | depends on what your doing... but if it's pure dos stuff, then exit to dos | after you create your new exit to DOS pif with those items in the advanced | program setup, and remove them all. Rem out each one, one at a time first | for testing. | If necessary afterwards, go into START/Settings/Control Panel and setup | Windows for your keyboard, display, country specific items. | | Windows does not generally need the autoexec or config unless one of your | devices (such as a sound card) has a DOS compatibility aspect, or a | program | needs (or thinks it needs) to be included in the PATH statement, or some | indication of it's existence or it's program (autoexec.bat inclusions - | such | as anti-virus programs). | | On this fully configured (couple hundred programs) and updated 98SE test | computer, my config.sys has nothing in it. Whereas my autoexec.bat has: | | C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVGFRE~1\BOOTUP.EXE | @echo off | SET BLASTER=A220 I2 D1 T4 | LH C:\WINDOWS\ASP4DOS.COM | set temp=c:\temp | set tmp=c:\temp | set pgppath=c:\comp\priv | SET QTJava=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\QTJava.zip | SET CLASSPATH=%QTJava%; | SET TZ=EST5EDT | SET MIDI=SYNTH:1 MAP:E | Path=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;c:\comp;C:\PROG RA~1\ULTRAEDT; | | | "Alan" wrote in message | ... | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | ... | | Ah, ,, with those types of config.sys and autoexec.bat for Win98(SE), | your | | running in compatibility mode/real mode. Memory is not able to be | | addressed | | properly; devices will not be placed properly in the memory | environment; | | etc. , e.g. Windows can't "do it's thing" in real mode, or a mixed | | real/virtual environment, it is a virtual mode environment. | | | | Is there anything online that I can browse that explains the above in | more | | detail? | | | | Memory addressing will be your issues concerning your netcard.. and | the | | additional ram (last 256) which now needs resource ranges of it's own. | | {For | | a general idea look at the old DOS info regarding emm386 and himem, | and | | their memory limitations, resource usage, etc.. Then question why your | | trying to use them.} | | | | The netcard is onboard with the MOBO. Any clue where to obtain DOS 7 | info? | | | | Remove any unnecessary, and preferably all device drivers from | | config.sys, | | except, perhaps, the ones for your specific county/keyboard/video | | arrangements, and himem.sys if needed for extended memory with LEGACY | DOS | | programs (generally games). Though as your using | country/keyboard/video | | specific settings using emm386.exe would appear advisable. | | You could try to loadhigh or devicehigh those drivers you think you | | need.. | | | | Am I correct in assuming, that if I have no legacy DOS requirement I can | | remove certain aspects of the autoexec.bat and config.sys? I assume I | need | | the country/keyboard/video arrangements in autoexec and config sys or is | it | | better to let windows do its own thing. Again is there anything on line | that | | I can read to explain what I actually should have in those files? | | | | To TEST this, rem out the "device=c:\rmcd\(driver)" lines. If no | problems | | develop, then remove them permanently by creating a copy without them, | and | | renaming the original to "config.org" or something that you will | remember | | as | | being the original (just in case). Then devicehigh the config.sys | drivers | | you need, and loadhigh (LH) the autoexec. | | | | Can you explain devicehigh loadhigh. The rmcd drivers are installed as | per | | MS KB article 19303 as I had problems trying to use the CD-ROM in | command | | prompt mode. How should they be installed then? | | | | As for the emm386.exe excludes: yes you can manually exclude the net | card | | addresses as well as video, but it is generally necessary ONLY when | using | | real mode drivers. Windows will exclude the addresses if it is | necessary | | (generally found in the device inf). | | Also, your files and buffers (and perhaps stacks) statements would be | | considered too small for most modern DOS program usage, and conflicts | with | | Windows 98 defaults. | | | | So the question is WHY you have all these things in your autoexec and | | config in the first place. Do you use DOS mode for something or legacy | | devices which require them? | | BTW: I haven't seen an autoexec and config like you have SINCE DOS | days. | | Installing Win95 would have remmed out most of what you have. And | since | | you | | asked: info for DOS 6.2(2) is not exactly accurate for 7.0. | | | | The PC came pre loaded with 98, which the supplier tech reloaded with | 98SE | | when the hard drive started to fail and was replaced. I am not knowingly | | using DOS mode. ( The creative card makes reference to it in the Device | | Manager, but that is disabled). I referred to DOS 6.2.2 as that is the | | latest document (user guide) that I have. Again knowledge is weak so I | will | | be guided. | | | | FYI: Safe mode does not start normal drivers, just base defaults, | hence | | you | | will not find compatibility/real mode drivers causing conflicts when | in | | safe | | mode. You could try to "step through" a normal startup, and not | loading | | config.sys and autoexec.bat to see the effect, Igor can tell you how | to | do | | that. | | As for the memory in general, several previous discussions have | addressed | | the 1 gig problem in 98.. 768 is the sweet spot, 1 gig is iffy at | best. | | | | Thanks for the information. | | Alan-- | | MEB | | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | | | | | | "Alan" wrote in message | | ... | | | | | | "éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message | | | ... | | | "Alan" wrote in message | | | ... | | | Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose System | | | information | | | has it or change a view in a device manager for memory | resources. | | | This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the | Rhine | | | adapter:- | | | Interrupt Request 03 | | | Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF | | | Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF | | | Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF | | | This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information for | when | | it | | | appears to be faulty. | | | | | | do you have emm386 or any other memory manager in config.sys? Try | to | | | remove | | | it if yes. | | | | | | -- | | | éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User | | | | | | | | | A couple of points. I have copied the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys | files | | | below. I have been browsing the MS Knowledge base and now have some | | | questions. The path= command, should I have something more specific | | along | | | the lines of pointing to the system directory i.e windows/system? | (Yes, | | I | | am | | | running the Resource Kit). Also buried deep down in a MS Dos 6.2 | User | | Guide | | | book, it says that when you use EMM386.exe and you have a Network | | Adapter | | | installed that uses RAM, you should exclude the memory addresses | that | | the | | | network adapter uses, so that Windows won't use the same area of | memory. | | Is | | | this relevant for Windows 98SE (DOS7) or not and is this what you | are | | | implying by asking me to remove the EMM386 memory manger in the | | config.sys. | | | Finally, with the extra RAM installed and starting in Safe Mode, the | | problem | | | doesn't exist, so yes it must definitely be a Windows problem | somewhere. | | | Alan | | | | | | SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS | | | @PATH C:\PROGRA~1\WIN98RK;%PATH% | | | mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi) | | | mode con codepage select=850 | | | keyb uk,,c:\windows\COMMAND\keyboard.sys | | | Set tvdumpflags=8 | | | | | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS | | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE | | | device=c:\windows\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1) | | | Country=044,850,c:\windows\COMMAND\country.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001 | | | device=c:\rmcd\btdosm.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001 | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi2dos.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi8dos.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi4dos.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi8u2.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspicd.sys /D:mscd001 | | | device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys | | | files=10 | | | buffers=10 | | | dos=high,umb | | | stacks=9,256 | | | lastdrive=z | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real | world" | | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as | if | nothing had happen." 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Just to let you know that it now appears to be working OK. Using msconfig to
deselect start items, I confirmed the problem to be the config.sys. Using further elimination criteria, I found that if I removed Himen.sys OR Emm386.exe OR the RMCD group of files singly, from the config.sys, the NIC worked OK. It just wouldn't run with all three active. I also removed the files/buffers/stacks/last drive commands as I found out that the Io.sys file has these listed as standard. (Most of my criteria on these was below the default). Apparently Himen.sys should be loaded from Io.sys as well, but when I removed it from the Config.sys, the boot halted saying in effect that Himen sys was not active. That little problem is for another day. Thanks for all your responses. ( I am an older guy as well!) Alan "MEB" meb@not wrote in message ... As always, your welcome, and thanks for the recognition.. Good luck with the info. I think you'll find there are many more uses for this "old" operating environment than many will admit. Kinda like us "old guys"; guess we can still provide some kind of function... hehe grin -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ "Alan" wrote in message ... | What can I say! There I was thinking a RAM upgrade was just a matter of | putting a VCACHE entry into the System.ini. file and Bob's your uncle! Many | thanks for taking the time and trouble to resource and post all this | information. Needless to say, It will take me a little while to process it | all. | Thanks again. | Alan. | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | ... | You have asked for specific information, some of which has been addressed | elsewhere in this news group. As there are at least three issues, this | post | is lengthy. | | BIG questions require big answers soooooooo...... [don't yell at me for | big | post guys, he asked, I deliver, why drag it out, and I did give you credit | where credit due] save this somewhere for future reference. | | Relevant Google Search terms would be (heck you could even check on | MICROSOFT, wouldn't that be interesting): | | Windows "DOSPRMPT" | Windows "dosstart.bat" | (don't include the quotes; you will find these located in your Windows | directory and can be modified by you for specific use) and | Windows "Exit to DOS" | again not including the quotes; which you can/will create as well. | | Also search for: | undocumented DOS | | Windows Help contains some basic information (on the START menu). Use the | index to search for MS-DOS. | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=134400 | General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=232915 | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188322 | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=195176 | http://www.aumha.org/ | http://www.windowshelp.net/ (don't know if this is still around or | relevant, might be .com {memory lapse}) | http://www.microsoft.com/technet | | HOP over to Microsoft's ftp: | 08/27/94 S14710 PD0747.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 Configuration Q&A | 05/31/94 S14769 97DOSQA.EXE MSJ 7/94 MS-DOS Q & A | 04/07/94 S14707 PD0744.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 General | Installation | Q&A | 03/22/94 S14666 95DOSQA.EXE MSJ: MS-DOS Q & A | 08/16/95 S15494 OLDDOS.EXE MS-DOS Utilities (OLDDOS.EXE) | | | | PCR submitted a master post addressing DOS aspects relating to inability | to | exit DOS, though much of that material would be relevant to your | questions, | and potential outcome. | | From: "PCR" | References: . com | | | | | | | | Subject: How to start Win98 after booting in MS-DOS? | Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:35:29 -0400 | Message-ID: | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion | Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:809410 | | Well, below is the full Master Post, then-- but you're running out! = | Geez! | | How you must exit from a Restart to MS-DOS depends upon the Properties = | of "Exit to DOS.pif". Put that string into a Find, INCLUDING the quotes. = | It should be found in C:\Windows. R-Clk it, Properties, Program tab, = | Advanced button-- what is checked & bolted? | | Also, "START, Find, *.wos"-- does any show up? It shouldn't! | | Here's the Master Post... | | A .pif (shortcut to a DOS command) is created when a DOS command is | clicked to execute. Normally, the .pif will be put into the folder of | the command that is clicked. After that, clicking the .pif will execute | the DOS program. You may move it elsewhere. At it's "Properties, Program | tab, Advanced button" it is checked "Suggest MS-DOS Mode as necessary". | C:\Windows\PIF\ is used to hold .pif's that Windows creates when they | cannot be put anywhere else. That happens when you click a DOS app on a | (write protected?) floppy or CD, I believe. It can be troublesome to | have a .pif in there, though. | | Much can be done at the Properties tabs of a .pif, including having | Windows reboot to DOS & run off it's private Config.sys & Autoexec.bat | files. | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717 | Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448 | Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D134400 | General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode | | "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston/Straub), pgs 1068,1099, explains: | | 1. Direct Boot to DOS (Cold booted DOS) | | a. Accessed through Boot Menu item, "Command Prompt Only". | b. Windows is not started. | c. Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are run, if present. | d. Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows. "WIN" loads Windows. | | 2. "Quit" to DOS (Re-started MS-DOS mode) | | a. Accessed from "START, Shut Down, Re-start in MS-DOS mode", unless | "exit to DOS" pif was converted to "Warm Boot". | b. Accessed from any .pif whose "Properties, Program tab, Advanced | button" is checked "MS-DOS mode" but NOT bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS | configuration". | c. Is NOT a warm boot; Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are NOT re-run, but are | honored to the extent Windows has not mussed the environment they set. | d. Dosstart.bat is run, if present. | e. "EXIT" reloads Windows (from 4K stub), also without a boot. | Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows. | | 3. Warm Booted MS-DOS mode ("Re-boot" to DOS) | | a. Accessed from a "Warm Boot" .pif that IS BOTH checked "MS-DOS mode" | AND bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS configuration", in it's Properties, | Program tab, Advanced button. | b. Accessed from START button, if you've altered "exit to dos", as | described. | c. Does a warm boot, using Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as configured in | the pif. (The system files are renamed *.wos & the pif files are | extracted for the session.) | d. Dosstart.bat is NOT run. | e. "EXIT" restores the system Config.sys & Autoexec.bat & warm boots to | Windows. (Ctrl-Alt-Del & "WIN" should NOT be used.) | | If you don't want to modify the "exit to dos" pif so that it does a warm | boot, then create a pif this way: | | 1. "START, Find, Command.com". (Probably in C:\ & C:\Windows). | 2. "R-Clk either, Send to, Desktop (create shortcut)". It will be named | "MS-DOS Prompt". | 3. R-Clk "MS-DOS Prompt" on the Desktop, & select Properties. | 4. Click the Program tab & then the Advanced button. | 5. Mark the MS-DOS Mode check box. Mark "Warn before entering..." as | desired. | 6. For a "Warm Boot to DOS" pif, mark the "Specify a New MS-DOS | Configuration" button. If you do not do that, you will have a "Quit to | DOS" pif. | 7. OK you're way out. | | When you click that pif, you will either "warm boot" or "quit to DOS", | depending on what you did in step 6. If it's a warm boot, then the | Config.sys & Autoexec.bat inside the pif are the ones that will be in | effect in your DOS session. Alter them inside the pif as desired, before | clicking it. | | Cquirke's WARNING: Because of system/.pif file switching, give a Warm | Boot .pif a chance to execute after clicking. If you click it a second | time before getting to DOS, you may lose your system Config.sys & | Autoexec.bat files. | | http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/doscompat.htm | There are even more DOS mentioned there. | | "Select MS-DOS mode on this page", said Leboeuf. | http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/winmode.htm | | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | should things get worse after this, | PCR | | "LuckyStrike" om = | wrote in message ... | | Enough to fit that, IF it's smaller than 2 MB's. heh. | |=20 | | And IIRC, I *used* to be able to exit MS-DOS (restart in......) by = | typing | | EXIT, then pressing Enter key, but no longer. Must either C-A-D out, = | or else | | use the "WIN /WX" command. | | --=20 | |=20 | | LuckyStrike | | | | How to make a good newsgroup post: | | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm | | ------------------------------------------------------------ | | "PCR" wrote in message ... | | I have a bigger master post about the various DOS & how to enter & = | exit | | them. How much space do you have left? | | | | | | Thanks or Good Luck, | | There may be humor in this post, and, | | Naturally, you will not sue, | | should things get worse after this, | | PCR | | | | "LuckyStrike" om = | wrote in | | message ... | | | Good info, ..... snipped | | | LS | | | ----------- | | | | | | "PCR" wrote in message = | ... | | | C:\WIN | | | You are already running Windows. | | | | | | _ Press ALT+ENTER to switch this MS-DOS prompt between | | | windowed and full-screen display. | | | _ Type Exit and press Enter to quit this MS-DOS prompt and | | | return to Windows. | | | _ Press ALT+TAB to switch to Windows or another application. | | | | | | Yea, that's what it says at a Windows DOS in a box prompt. But Glee = | is | | | right. The first thing to try is EXIT, when stuck in DOS... | | | | | | First, try EXIT at the DOS Prompt. | | | If that fails, try "WIN /WX". | | | If that fails, finally... | | | | | | REN C:\Config.sys Config.bad | | | REN C:\Autoexec.bat Autoexec.bad | | | Ctrl-Alt-Del hopefully to Windows, & post the ".bad" files. | | | | | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717 | | | Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode | | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448 | | | Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode | | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 | | | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode | | | | || | PCR | | | | | | "LuckyStrike" wrote in message | | ... | | | | Wouldn't you just then get a message stating "You're already in | | Windows"? | | | | LuckyStrike | | | | ------------------------------------------------------------ | | | | "jt3" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | Perhaps not the best way if, say, the person hadn't booted into | | | DOS--i.e., | | | | I | | | | know your answer is correct, but if the OP didn't know this, = | they | | might | | | | try | | | | that when they'd opened a DOS box . . . | | | | "Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | At the command prompt type: win and press Enter | | | | | | | | Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } | | | | Conflicts start where information lacks. | | | | http://basconotw.mvps.org/ | | | | | | | | How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 | | | | | | | | | | | | wrote in message | | | | ups.com... | | | | I accidentally chose to reboot my computer in MS-DOS. I have = | no | | idea | | | | how to get it to boot back up in Win98. I am not a computer | | person | | | | and | | | | have no idea what to type in to get it back to Win98. = | Please | | help! | | | | Thanks. | | | | | | FOR THE MEMORY ISSUE: | | From: "Curt Christianson" | References: | Subject: Strange memory problem | Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:05:03 -0500 | Message-ID: | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion | Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:808803 | | Hi Andrea, | | This Courtesy of MVP's Bert Kinney, anf Ron Martell: | | AM. In reality it will only handle 1 GB of RAM. This will also depend on | hardware installed, in particular the mother board and it's components. | In some cases Win98/ME will function normally with 1.5 GB of RAM. | See the MS KB articles below. | | If the system has 384MB's of RAM installed following line can be | added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file. | MaxFileCache=275000 | | If the system has 512MB's of RAM installed following line can be | added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file. | MaxFileCache=358000 | | If the system has 700MB's of RAM or more installed following line MUST be | added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file but never | more. | MaxFileCache=512000 | | If you go over 1GB of RAM and still receive errors add the following line | to the [386enh] section of the System.ini file: MaxPhysPage=40000 | This limits the amount of physical RAM that Windows can access | to 1GB. If the errors go away with this setting remove the memory over | 1GB as it will not be used with this setting. | | Windows 95 Can Access Up to Two GB of RAM: | http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q181/5/94.asp | | Error Message: Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows: | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;184447 | | "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed: | http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q253/9/12.ASP | | Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM: | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304943 | | Now the question arises, is the increase of RAM going to make my system | faster! Ron Martel [MS MVP] has a technique for determining this. | http://onlinehelp.bc.ca/tips.htm#faster | | Regards, | Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS] | http://dts-l.org/ | **************************************** | Free memory testers: | http://www.memtest86.com/ | and | DocMemory from: | http://www.simmtester.com/ | | Curt BD-MVBT | | http://dundats.mvps.org/ | http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi | http://www.aumha.org/ | "Andrea" wrote in message | om... | I've a client with windows 98 installed. All was working fine since I've | installed the antivirus and now a pc with 1GB of ram is unable to open | the | DOS shell since memory is finished. | | I really don't know ... Any idea? I don't think that the cause could be | the antivirus, because on another client with 256MB of ram, the pc open | and close the dos windows withouth any problems. | | Thanks for any reply | | | | | AS FOR THE ONLINE INFO for MS-DOS 7.0 check the Microsoft Knowledge base | or | TechNet, or if your ready for some "off the wall": | http://www.mdgx.com/ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page | http://users.aol.com/axcel216/31.htm | http://www.geocities.com/~budallen/dosecrete.html | http://users.aol.com/axcel216/ | http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...nics/undoc.txt | http://mirror.href.com/thestarman/index.html | | NETWORKING/NET CARDS | http://www.practicallynetworked.com | http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm | http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/NetworkingProblems.htm | http://www.homenethelp.com/web/howto/HomeNet-start.asp | | | IN ANSWER to your general question regarding whether you can remove the | items in config.sys and autoexec.bat related to your | country/keyboard/video: | depends on what your doing... but if it's pure dos stuff, then exit to dos | after you create your new exit to DOS pif with those items in the advanced | program setup, and remove them all. Rem out each one, one at a time first | for testing. | If necessary afterwards, go into START/Settings/Control Panel and setup | Windows for your keyboard, display, country specific items. | | Windows does not generally need the autoexec or config unless one of your | devices (such as a sound card) has a DOS compatibility aspect, or a | program | needs (or thinks it needs) to be included in the PATH statement, or some | indication of it's existence or it's program (autoexec.bat inclusions - | such | as anti-virus programs). | | On this fully configured (couple hundred programs) and updated 98SE test | computer, my config.sys has nothing in it. Whereas my autoexec.bat has: | | C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVGFRE~1\BOOTUP.EXE | @echo off | SET BLASTER=A220 I2 D1 T4 | LH C:\WINDOWS\ASP4DOS.COM | set temp=c:\temp | set tmp=c:\temp | set pgppath=c:\comp\priv | SET QTJava=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\QTJava.zip | SET CLASSPATH=%QTJava%; | SET TZ=EST5EDT | SET MIDI=SYNTH:1 MAP:E | Path=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;c:\comp;C:\PROG RA~1\ULTRAEDT; | | | "Alan" wrote in message | ... | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | ... | | Ah, ,, with those types of config.sys and autoexec.bat for Win98(SE), | your | | running in compatibility mode/real mode. Memory is not able to be | | addressed | | properly; devices will not be placed properly in the memory | environment; | | etc. , e.g. Windows can't "do it's thing" in real mode, or a mixed | | real/virtual environment, it is a virtual mode environment. | | | | Is there anything online that I can browse that explains the above in | more | | detail? | | | | Memory addressing will be your issues concerning your netcard.. and | the | | additional ram (last 256) which now needs resource ranges of it's own. | | {For | | a general idea look at the old DOS info regarding emm386 and himem, | and | | their memory limitations, resource usage, etc.. Then question why your | | trying to use them.} | | | | The netcard is onboard with the MOBO. Any clue where to obtain DOS 7 | info? | | | | Remove any unnecessary, and preferably all device drivers from | | config.sys, | | except, perhaps, the ones for your specific county/keyboard/video | | arrangements, and himem.sys if needed for extended memory with LEGACY | DOS | | programs (generally games). Though as your using | country/keyboard/video | | specific settings using emm386.exe would appear advisable. | | You could try to loadhigh or devicehigh those drivers you think you | | need.. | | | | Am I correct in assuming, that if I have no legacy DOS requirement I can | | remove certain aspects of the autoexec.bat and config.sys? I assume I | need | | the country/keyboard/video arrangements in autoexec and config sys or is | it | | better to let windows do its own thing. Again is there anything on line | that | | I can read to explain what I actually should have in those files? | | | | To TEST this, rem out the "device=c:\rmcd\(driver)" lines. If no | problems | | develop, then remove them permanently by creating a copy without them, | and | | renaming the original to "config.org" or something that you will | remember | | as | | being the original (just in case). Then devicehigh the config.sys | drivers | | you need, and loadhigh (LH) the autoexec. | | | | Can you explain devicehigh loadhigh. The rmcd drivers are installed as | per | | MS KB article 19303 as I had problems trying to use the CD-ROM in | command | | prompt mode. How should they be installed then? | | | | As for the emm386.exe excludes: yes you can manually exclude the net | card | | addresses as well as video, but it is generally necessary ONLY when | using | | real mode drivers. Windows will exclude the addresses if it is | necessary | | (generally found in the device inf). | | Also, your files and buffers (and perhaps stacks) statements would be | | considered too small for most modern DOS program usage, and conflicts | with | | Windows 98 defaults. | | | | So the question is WHY you have all these things in your autoexec and | | config in the first place. Do you use DOS mode for something or legacy | | devices which require them? | | BTW: I haven't seen an autoexec and config like you have SINCE DOS | days. | | Installing Win95 would have remmed out most of what you have. And | since | | you | | asked: info for DOS 6.2(2) is not exactly accurate for 7.0. | | | | The PC came pre loaded with 98, which the supplier tech reloaded with | 98SE | | when the hard drive started to fail and was replaced. I am not knowingly | | using DOS mode. ( The creative card makes reference to it in the Device | | Manager, but that is disabled). I referred to DOS 6.2.2 as that is the | | latest document (user guide) that I have. Again knowledge is weak so I | will | | be guided. | | | | FYI: Safe mode does not start normal drivers, just base defaults, | hence | | you | | will not find compatibility/real mode drivers causing conflicts when | in | | safe | | mode. You could try to "step through" a normal startup, and not | loading | | config.sys and autoexec.bat to see the effect, Igor can tell you how | to | do | | that. | | As for the memory in general, several previous discussions have | addressed | | the 1 gig problem in 98.. 768 is the sweet spot, 1 gig is iffy at | best. | | | | Thanks for the information. | | Alan-- | | MEB | | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | | | | | | "Alan" wrote in message | | ... | | | | | | "éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message | | | ... | | | "Alan" wrote in message | | | ... | | | Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose System | | | information | | | has it or change a view in a device manager for memory | resources. | | | This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the | Rhine | | | adapter:- | | | Interrupt Request 03 | | | Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF | | | Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF | | | Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF | | | This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information for | when | | it | | | appears to be faulty. | | | | | | do you have emm386 or any other memory manager in config.sys? Try | to | | | remove | | | it if yes. | | | | | | -- | | | éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User | | | | | | | | | A couple of points. I have copied the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys | files | | | below. I have been browsing the MS Knowledge base and now have some | | | questions. The path= command, should I have something more specific | | along | | | the lines of pointing to the system directory i.e windows/system? | (Yes, | | I | | am | | | running the Resource Kit). Also buried deep down in a MS Dos 6.2 | User | | Guide | | | book, it says that when you use EMM386.exe and you have a Network | | Adapter | | | installed that uses RAM, you should exclude the memory addresses | that | | the | | | network adapter uses, so that Windows won't use the same area of | memory. | | Is | | | this relevant for Windows 98SE (DOS7) or not and is this what you | are | | | implying by asking me to remove the EMM386 memory manger in the | | config.sys. | | | Finally, with the extra RAM installed and starting in Safe Mode, the | | problem | | | doesn't exist, so yes it must definitely be a Windows problem | somewhere. | | | Alan | | | | | | SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS | | | @PATH C:\PROGRA~1\WIN98RK;%PATH% | | | mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi) | | | mode con codepage select=850 | | | keyb uk,,c:\windows\COMMAND\keyboard.sys | | | Set tvdumpflags=8 | | | | | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS | | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE | | | device=c:\windows\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1) | | | Country=044,850,c:\windows\COMMAND\country.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001 | | | device=c:\rmcd\btdosm.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001 | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi2dos.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi8dos.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi4dos.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi8u2.sys | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspicd.sys /D:mscd001 | | | device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys | | | files=10 | | | buffers=10 | | | dos=high,umb | | | stacks=9,256 | | | lastdrive=z | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real | world" | | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as | if | nothing had happen." 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It is only recommended to use MSCONFIG for trouble shooting.. don't use it for anything else. Once the troubleshooting is done, enable all and use other tools to permanently make the changes found necessary. I use and recommend Autoruns by sysinternals www.sysinternals.com which happens to be a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft (which I never bothered to look at before). Great tool, allows deleting of anything from your auto "startups". Editing is supported.. A CAUTIONARY IS INCLUDED by me, be extremely careful what you play with/disable/remove with this tool. SYSEDIT is included with Windows, which allows you to edit the config.sys, autoexec.bat, protocols, win.ini, and system.ini, all in one Window. Type sysedit in the RUN box. As for the "old guy",, yeah we can still function, can't we?? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ "Alan" wrote in message ... | Just to let you know that it now appears to be working OK. Using msconfig to | deselect start items, I confirmed the problem to be the config.sys. Using | further elimination criteria, I found that if I removed Himen.sys OR | Emm386.exe OR the RMCD group of files singly, from the config.sys, the NIC | worked OK. It just wouldn't run with all three active. I also removed the | files/buffers/stacks/last drive commands as I found out that the Io.sys file | has these listed as standard. (Most of my criteria on these was below the | default). Apparently Himen.sys should be loaded from Io.sys as well, but | when I removed it from the Config.sys, the boot halted saying in effect that | Himen sys was not active. That little problem is for another day. | Thanks for all your responses. ( I am an older guy as well!) | Alan | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | ... | As always, your welcome, and thanks for the recognition.. | | Good luck with the info. I think you'll find there are many more uses for | this "old" operating environment than many will admit. | Kinda like us "old guys"; guess we can still provide some kind of | function... hehe grin | | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real | world" | | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as | if | nothing had happen." Winston Churchill | Or to put it another way: | Morpheus can offer you the two pills; | but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. | _______________ | | "Alan" wrote in message | ... | | What can I say! There I was thinking a RAM upgrade was just a matter of | | putting a VCACHE entry into the System.ini. file and Bob's your uncle! | Many | | thanks for taking the time and trouble to resource and post all this | | information. Needless to say, It will take me a little while to process | it | | all. | | Thanks again. | | Alan. | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | ... | | You have asked for specific information, some of which has been | addressed | | elsewhere in this news group. As there are at least three issues, this | | post | | is lengthy. | | | | BIG questions require big answers soooooooo...... [don't yell at me | for | | big | | post guys, he asked, I deliver, why drag it out, and I did give you | credit | | where credit due] save this somewhere for future reference. | | | | Relevant Google Search terms would be (heck you could even check on | | MICROSOFT, wouldn't that be interesting): | | | | Windows "DOSPRMPT" | | Windows "dosstart.bat" | | (don't include the quotes; you will find these located in your Windows | | directory and can be modified by you for specific use) and | | Windows "Exit to DOS" | | again not including the quotes; which you can/will create as well. | | | | Also search for: | | undocumented DOS | | | | Windows Help contains some basic information (on the START menu). Use | the | | index to search for MS-DOS. | | | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 | | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=134400 | | General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=232915 | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188322 | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=195176 | | http://www.aumha.org/ | | http://www.windowshelp.net/ (don't know if this is still around or | | relevant, might be .com {memory lapse}) | | http://www.microsoft.com/technet | | | | HOP over to Microsoft's ftp: | | 08/27/94 S14710 PD0747.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 Configuration | Q&A | | 05/31/94 S14769 97DOSQA.EXE MSJ 7/94 MS-DOS Q & A | | 04/07/94 S14707 PD0744.TXT MS-DOS 6.0 General | | Installation | | Q&A | | 03/22/94 S14666 95DOSQA.EXE MSJ: MS-DOS Q & A | | 08/16/95 S15494 OLDDOS.EXE MS-DOS Utilities (OLDDOS.EXE) | | | | | | | | PCR submitted a master post addressing DOS aspects relating to | inability | | to | | exit DOS, though much of that material would be relevant to your | | questions, | | and potential outcome. | | | | From: "PCR" | | References: . com | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Subject: How to start Win98 after booting in MS-DOS? | | Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:35:29 -0400 | | Message-ID: | | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion | | Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl | | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl | microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:809410 | | | | Well, below is the full Master Post, then-- but you're running out! = | | Geez! | | | | How you must exit from a Restart to MS-DOS depends upon the Properties | = | | of "Exit to DOS.pif". Put that string into a Find, INCLUDING the | quotes. | = | | It should be found in C:\Windows. R-Clk it, Properties, Program tab, = | | Advanced button-- what is checked & bolted? | | | | Also, "START, Find, *.wos"-- does any show up? It shouldn't! | | | | Here's the Master Post... | | | | A .pif (shortcut to a DOS command) is created when a DOS command is | | clicked to execute. Normally, the .pif will be put into the folder of | | the command that is clicked. After that, clicking the .pif will | execute | | the DOS program. You may move it elsewhere. At it's "Properties, | Program | | tab, Advanced button" it is checked "Suggest MS-DOS Mode as | necessary". | | C:\Windows\PIF\ is used to hold .pif's that Windows creates when they | | cannot be put anywhere else. That happens when you click a DOS app on | a | | (write protected?) floppy or CD, I believe. It can be troublesome to | | have a .pif in there, though. | | | | Much can be done at the Properties tabs of a .pif, including having | | Windows reboot to DOS & run off it's private Config.sys & Autoexec.bat | | files. | | | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717 | | Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448 | | Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 | | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D134400 | | General Tips for Using MS-DOS Mode | | | | "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston/Straub), pgs 1068,1099, explains: | | | | 1. Direct Boot to DOS (Cold booted DOS) | | | | a. Accessed through Boot Menu item, "Command Prompt Only". | | b. Windows is not started. | | c. Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are run, if present. | | d. Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows. "WIN" loads Windows. | | | | 2. "Quit" to DOS (Re-started MS-DOS mode) | | | | a. Accessed from "START, Shut Down, Re-start in MS-DOS mode", unless | | "exit to DOS" pif was converted to "Warm Boot". | | b. Accessed from any .pif whose "Properties, Program tab, Advanced | | button" is checked "MS-DOS mode" but NOT bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS | | configuration". | | c. Is NOT a warm boot; Config.sys & Autoexec.bat are NOT re-run, but | are | | honored to the extent Windows has not mussed the environment they set. | | d. Dosstart.bat is run, if present. | | e. "EXIT" reloads Windows (from 4K stub), also without a boot. | | Ctrl-Alt-Del boots Windows. | | | | 3. Warm Booted MS-DOS mode ("Re-boot" to DOS) | | | | a. Accessed from a "Warm Boot" .pif that IS BOTH checked "MS-DOS mode" | | AND bolted "Specify a new MS-DOS configuration", in it's Properties, | | Program tab, Advanced button. | | b. Accessed from START button, if you've altered "exit to dos", as | | described. | | c. Does a warm boot, using Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as configured | in | | the pif. (The system files are renamed *.wos & the pif files are | | extracted for the session.) | | d. Dosstart.bat is NOT run. | | e. "EXIT" restores the system Config.sys & Autoexec.bat & warm boots | to | | Windows. (Ctrl-Alt-Del & "WIN" should NOT be used.) | | | | If you don't want to modify the "exit to dos" pif so that it does a | warm | | boot, then create a pif this way: | | | | 1. "START, Find, Command.com". (Probably in C:\ & C:\Windows). | | 2. "R-Clk either, Send to, Desktop (create shortcut)". It will be | named | | "MS-DOS Prompt". | | 3. R-Clk "MS-DOS Prompt" on the Desktop, & select Properties. | | 4. Click the Program tab & then the Advanced button. | | 5. Mark the MS-DOS Mode check box. Mark "Warn before entering..." as | | desired. | | 6. For a "Warm Boot to DOS" pif, mark the "Specify a New MS-DOS | | Configuration" button. If you do not do that, you will have a "Quit to | | DOS" pif. | | 7. OK you're way out. | | | | When you click that pif, you will either "warm boot" or "quit to DOS", | | depending on what you did in step 6. If it's a warm boot, then the | | Config.sys & Autoexec.bat inside the pif are the ones that will be in | | effect in your DOS session. Alter them inside the pif as desired, | before | | clicking it. | | | | Cquirke's WARNING: Because of system/.pif file switching, give a Warm | | Boot .pif a chance to execute after clicking. If you click it a second | | time before getting to DOS, you may lose your system Config.sys & | | Autoexec.bat files. | | | | http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/doscompat.htm | | There are even more DOS mentioned there. | | | | "Select MS-DOS mode on this page", said Leboeuf. | | http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/winmode.htm | | | | Thanks or Good Luck, | | There may be humor in this post, and, | | Naturally, you will not sue, | | should things get worse after this, | | PCR | | | | "LuckyStrike" om = | | wrote in message ... | | | Enough to fit that, IF it's smaller than 2 MB's. heh. | | |=20 | | | And IIRC, I *used* to be able to exit MS-DOS (restart in......) by = | | typing | | | EXIT, then pressing Enter key, but no longer. Must either C-A-D out, | = | | or else | | | use the "WIN /WX" command. | | | --=20 | | |=20 | | | LuckyStrike | | | | | | How to make a good newsgroup post: | | | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm | | | ------------------------------------------------------------ | | | "PCR" wrote in message ... | | | I have a bigger master post about the various DOS & how to enter & = | | exit | | | them. How much space do you have left? | | | | | | | | | Thanks or Good Luck, | | | There may be humor in this post, and, | | | Naturally, you will not sue, | | | should things get worse after this, | | | PCR | | | | | | "LuckyStrike" om | = | | wrote in | | | message ... | | | | Good info, ..... snipped | | | | LS | | | | ----------- | | | | | | | | "PCR" wrote in message = | | ... | | | | C:\WIN | | | | You are already running Windows. | | | | | | | | _ Press ALT+ENTER to switch this MS-DOS prompt between | | | | windowed and full-screen display. | | | | _ Type Exit and press Enter to quit this MS-DOS prompt and | | | | return to Windows. | | | | _ Press ALT+TAB to switch to Windows or another application. | | | | | | | | Yea, that's what it says at a Windows DOS in a box prompt. But | Glee | = | | is | | | | right. The first thing to try is EXIT, when stuck in DOS... | | | | | | | | First, try EXIT at the DOS Prompt. | | | | If that fails, try "WIN /WX". | | | | If that fails, finally... | | | | | | | | REN C:\Config.sys Config.bad | | | | REN C:\Autoexec.bat Autoexec.bad | | | | Ctrl-Alt-Del hopefully to Windows, & post the ".bad" files. | | | | | | | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;151717 | | | | Can't EXIT MS-DOS Mode | | | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=3D130448 | | | | Can't QUIT MS-DOS Mode | | | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q138996 | | | | Description of Restarting Computer in MS-DOS Mode | | | | | | || | PCR | | | | | | | | "LuckyStrike" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | | Wouldn't you just then get a message stating "You're already in | | | Windows"? | | | | | LuckyStrike | | | | | ------------------------------------------------------------ | | | | | "jt3" wrote in message | | | | | ... | | | | | Perhaps not the best way if, say, the person hadn't booted | into | | | | DOS--i.e., | | | | | I | | | | | know your answer is correct, but if the OP didn't know this, = | | they | | | might | | | | | try | | | | | that when they'd opened a DOS box . . . | | | | | "Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message | | | | | ... | | | | | At the command prompt type: win and press Enter | | | | | | | | | | Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } | | | | | Conflicts start where information lacks. | | | | | http://basconotw.mvps.org/ | | | | | | | | | | How to ask a question: | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | wrote in message | | | | | ups.com... | | | | | I accidentally chose to reboot my computer in MS-DOS. I | have | = | | no | | | idea | | | | | how to get it to boot back up in Win98. I am not a | computer | | | person | | | | | and | | | | | have no idea what to type in to get it back to Win98. = | | Please | | | help! | | | | | Thanks. | | | | | | | | | FOR THE MEMORY ISSUE: | | | | From: "Curt Christianson" | | References: | | Subject: Strange memory problem | | Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:05:03 -0500 | | Message-ID: | | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion | | Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl | | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl | microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:808803 | | | | Hi Andrea, | | | | This Courtesy of MVP's Bert Kinney, anf Ron Martell: | | | | AM. In reality it will only handle 1 GB of RAM. This will also depend | on | | hardware installed, in particular the mother board and it's | components. | | In some cases Win98/ME will function normally with 1.5 GB of RAM. | | See the MS KB articles below. | | | | If the system has 384MB's of RAM installed following line can be | | added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file. | | MaxFileCache=275000 | | | | If the system has 512MB's of RAM installed following line can be | | added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file. | | MaxFileCache=358000 | | | | If the system has 700MB's of RAM or more installed following line MUST | be | | added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file but never | | more. | | MaxFileCache=512000 | | | | If you go over 1GB of RAM and still receive errors add the following | line | | to the [386enh] section of the System.ini file: MaxPhysPage=40000 | | This limits the amount of physical RAM that Windows can access | | to 1GB. If the errors go away with this setting remove the memory over | | 1GB as it will not be used with this setting. | | | | Windows 95 Can Access Up to Two GB of RAM: | | http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q181/5/94.asp | | | | Error Message: Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows: | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;184447 | | | | "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed: | | http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q253/9/12.ASP | | | | Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM: | | http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304943 | | | | Now the question arises, is the increase of RAM going to make my | system | | faster! Ron Martel [MS MVP] has a technique for determining this. | | http://onlinehelp.bc.ca/tips.htm#faster | | | | Regards, | | Bert Kinney [MS-MVP DTS] | | http://dts-l.org/ | | **************************************** | | Free memory testers: | | http://www.memtest86.com/ | | and | | DocMemory from: | | http://www.simmtester.com/ | | | | Curt BD-MVBT | | | | http://dundats.mvps.org/ | | http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi | | http://www.aumha.org/ | | "Andrea" wrote in message | | om... | | I've a client with windows 98 installed. All was working fine since | I've | | installed the antivirus and now a pc with 1GB of ram is unable to | open | | the | | DOS shell since memory is finished. | | | | I really don't know ... Any idea? I don't think that the cause could | be | | the antivirus, because on another client with 256MB of ram, the pc | open | | and close the dos windows withouth any problems. | | | | Thanks for any reply | | | | | | | | | | AS FOR THE ONLINE INFO for MS-DOS 7.0 check the Microsoft Knowledge | base | | or | | TechNet, or if your ready for some "off the wall": | | http://www.mdgx.com/ | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page | | http://users.aol.com/axcel216/31.htm | | http://www.geocities.com/~budallen/dosecrete.html | | http://users.aol.com/axcel216/ | | http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...nics/undoc.txt | | http://mirror.href.com/thestarman/index.html | | | | NETWORKING/NET CARDS | | http://www.practicallynetworked.com | | http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm | | http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/NetworkingProblems.htm | | http://www.homenethelp.com/web/howto/HomeNet-start.asp | | | | | | IN ANSWER to your general question regarding whether you can remove | the | | items in config.sys and autoexec.bat related to your | | country/keyboard/video: | | depends on what your doing... but if it's pure dos stuff, then exit to | dos | | after you create your new exit to DOS pif with those items in the | advanced | | program setup, and remove them all. Rem out each one, one at a time | first | | for testing. | | If necessary afterwards, go into START/Settings/Control Panel and | setup | | Windows for your keyboard, display, country specific items. | | | | Windows does not generally need the autoexec or config unless one of | your | | devices (such as a sound card) has a DOS compatibility aspect, or a | | program | | needs (or thinks it needs) to be included in the PATH statement, or | some | | indication of it's existence or it's program (autoexec.bat | inclusions - | | such | | as anti-virus programs). | | | | On this fully configured (couple hundred programs) and updated 98SE | test | | computer, my config.sys has nothing in it. Whereas my autoexec.bat | has: | | | | C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVGFRE~1\BOOTUP.EXE | | @echo off | | SET BLASTER=A220 I2 D1 T4 | | LH C:\WINDOWS\ASP4DOS.COM | | set temp=c:\temp | | set tmp=c:\temp | | set pgppath=c:\comp\priv | | SET QTJava=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\QTJava.zip | | SET CLASSPATH=%QTJava%; | | SET TZ=EST5EDT | | SET MIDI=SYNTH:1 MAP:E | | Path=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;c:\comp;C:\PROG RA~1\ULTRAEDT; | | | | | | "Alan" wrote in message | | ... | | | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | | ... | | | Ah, ,, with those types of config.sys and autoexec.bat for | Win98(SE), | | your | | | running in compatibility mode/real mode. Memory is not able to be | | | addressed | | | properly; devices will not be placed properly in the memory | | environment; | | | etc. , e.g. Windows can't "do it's thing" in real mode, or a mixed | | | real/virtual environment, it is a virtual mode environment. | | | | | | Is there anything online that I can browse that explains the above | in | | more | | | detail? | | | | | | Memory addressing will be your issues concerning your netcard.. | and | | the | | | additional ram (last 256) which now needs resource ranges of it's | own. | | | {For | | | a general idea look at the old DOS info regarding emm386 and | himem, | | and | | | their memory limitations, resource usage, etc.. Then question why | your | | | trying to use them.} | | | | | | The netcard is onboard with the MOBO. Any clue where to obtain DOS 7 | | info? | | | | | | Remove any unnecessary, and preferably all device drivers from | | | config.sys, | | | except, perhaps, the ones for your specific county/keyboard/video | | | arrangements, and himem.sys if needed for extended memory with | LEGACY | | DOS | | | programs (generally games). Though as your using | | country/keyboard/video | | | specific settings using emm386.exe would appear advisable. | | | You could try to loadhigh or devicehigh those drivers you think | you | | | need.. | | | | | | Am I correct in assuming, that if I have no legacy DOS requirement I | can | | | remove certain aspects of the autoexec.bat and config.sys? I assume | I | | need | | | the country/keyboard/video arrangements in autoexec and config sys | or | is | | it | | | better to let windows do its own thing. Again is there anything on | line | | that | | | I can read to explain what I actually should have in those files? | | | | | | To TEST this, rem out the "device=c:\rmcd\(driver)" lines. If no | | problems | | | develop, then remove them permanently by creating a copy without | them, | | and | | | renaming the original to "config.org" or something that you will | | remember | | | as | | | being the original (just in case). Then devicehigh the config.sys | | drivers | | | you need, and loadhigh (LH) the autoexec. | | | | | | Can you explain devicehigh loadhigh. The rmcd drivers are installed | as | | per | | | MS KB article 19303 as I had problems trying to use the CD-ROM in | | command | | | prompt mode. How should they be installed then? | | | | | | As for the emm386.exe excludes: yes you can manually exclude the | net | | card | | | addresses as well as video, but it is generally necessary ONLY | when | | using | | | real mode drivers. Windows will exclude the addresses if it is | | necessary | | | (generally found in the device inf). | | | Also, your files and buffers (and perhaps stacks) statements | would | be | | | considered too small for most modern DOS program usage, and | conflicts | | with | | | Windows 98 defaults. | | | | | | So the question is WHY you have all these things in your autoexec | and | | | config in the first place. Do you use DOS mode for something or | legacy | | | devices which require them? | | | BTW: I haven't seen an autoexec and config like you have SINCE | DOS | | days. | | | Installing Win95 would have remmed out most of what you have. And | | since | | | you | | | asked: info for DOS 6.2(2) is not exactly accurate for 7.0. | | | | | | The PC came pre loaded with 98, which the supplier tech reloaded | with | | 98SE | | | when the hard drive started to fail and was replaced. I am not | knowingly | | | using DOS mode. ( The creative card makes reference to it in the | Device | | | Manager, but that is disabled). I referred to DOS 6.2.2 as that is | the | | | latest document (user guide) that I have. Again knowledge is weak so | I | | will | | | be guided. | | | | | | FYI: Safe mode does not start normal drivers, just base defaults, | | hence | | | you | | | will not find compatibility/real mode drivers causing conflicts | when | | in | | | safe | | | mode. You could try to "step through" a normal startup, and not | | loading | | | config.sys and autoexec.bat to see the effect, Igor can tell you | how | | to | | do | | | that. | | | As for the memory in general, several previous discussions have | | addressed | | | the 1 gig problem in 98.. 768 is the sweet spot, 1 gig is iffy at | | best. | | | | | | Thanks for the information. | | | Alan-- | | | MEB | | | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | | | | | | | | | "Alan" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | | | | | "éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko)" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | "Alan" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | Can you post or attach memory resourses list? I suppose | System | | | | information | | | | has it or change a view in a device manager for memory | | resources. | | | | This is what I have just found in the Device Manager for the | | Rhine | | | | adapter:- | | | | Interrupt Request 03 | | | | Memory Range E9000000 - E90000FF | | | | Input/Output Range A800 - A8FF | | | | Memory Range 000D0000 - 000D17FF | | | | This is when it is working OK. I don't have the information | for | | when | | | it | | | | appears to be faulty. | | | | | | | | do you have emm386 or any other memory manager in config.sys? | Try | | to | | | | remove | | | | it if yes. | | | | | | | | -- | | | | éÇÏÒØ ìÅÊËÏ (Igor Leyko) MS MVP Windows - Shell/User | | | | | | | | | | | | A couple of points. I have copied the Autoexec.bat and | Config.sys | | files | | | | below. I have been browsing the MS Knowledge base and now have | some | | | | questions. The path= command, should I have something more | specific | | | along | | | | the lines of pointing to the system directory i.e | windows/system? | | (Yes, | | | I | | | am | | | | running the Resource Kit). Also buried deep down in a MS Dos | 6.2 | | User | | | Guide | | | | book, it says that when you use EMM386.exe and you have a | Network | | | Adapter | | | | installed that uses RAM, you should exclude the memory addresses | | that | | | the | | | | network adapter uses, so that Windows won't use the same area of | | memory. | | | Is | | | | this relevant for Windows 98SE (DOS7) or not and is this what | you | | are | | | | implying by asking me to remove the EMM386 memory manger in the | | | config.sys. | | | | Finally, with the extra RAM installed and starting in Safe Mode, | the | | | problem | | | | doesn't exist, so yes it must definitely be a Windows problem | | somewhere. | | | | Alan | | | | | | | | SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS | | | | @PATH C:\PROGRA~1\WIN98RK;%PATH% | | | | mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi) | | | | mode con codepage select=850 | | | | keyb uk,,c:\windows\COMMAND\keyboard.sys | | | | Set tvdumpflags=8 | | | | | | | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS | | | | DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE | | | | device=c:\windows\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1) | | | | Country=044,850,c:\windows\COMMAND\country.sys | | | | device=c:\rmcd\oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd001 | | | | device=c:\rmcd\btdosm.sys | | | | device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys | | | | device=c:\rmcd\btcdrom.sys /D:mscd001 | | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi2dos.sys | | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi8dos.sys | | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi4dos.sys | | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspi8u2.sys | | | | device=c:\rmcd\aspicd.sys /D:mscd001 | | | | device=c:\rmcd\flashpt.sys | | | | files=10 | | | | buffers=10 | | | | dos=high,umb | | | | stacks=9,256 | | | | lastdrive=z | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | -- | | MEB | | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | | BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real | | world" | | | | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. | | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business | as | | if | | nothing had happen." 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