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Will a new harddrive work witn win98SE?
On 08/09/2009 07:37 PM, Jeff Richards wrote:
NTFS is proprietary to MS so it can't be used except under licence. It appears it is not patented, just secret. Some parts of FAT32 are patented but the patents have been overturned and then reinstated and I'm not sure what state they are currently in. But the patents only related to some specific features of FAT32, so it is affectively available to anyone who wants to use it. If it was patentable MS would be able to enforce their rights by getting licensing fees from anyone who used it. For NTFS they could pursue civil remedies for breach of licence for reverse engineering (very difficult) or for breach of non-disclosure agreements (easier legally, but very difficult to prove). In practice, they seem OK with the present state, which is that copies of NTFS can be created that duplicate the functionality without necessarily being exactly the same. Interestingly, my latest USB drive came formatted as NTFS, or at least something that the OS sees as NTFS.. Just another day at the Office [though not related to hard drives or drive formats, the mention of patents had been broached],, The US patent office has *granted* 7,571,169 [August 4, 2009], a Microsoft patent application, which deals with the *FORMER* [per this patent] *open source/public source* XML and related (such as schemas)... a commonly used document and other format [like site maps, installation directives, and other] The potential now is that ANY usage may subject programmers, manufacturers, users, and usage to licensing restrictions. Gotta love those patent dudes, yep des abrite bunch ... So much for Microsoft supposedly supporting and participating in open source and public resourcing .......... -- ~ -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The *REAL WORLD* of Law, Justice, and Government _______ |
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Will a new harddrive work witn win98SE?
Yes, my System Commander 7.05 has Partition Commander hard coded in it.
Partition Commander can make NTFS partitions compatible for XP. However, whenever XP opens, the partition is automatically corrected by chkdsk. All is fine after that. MS has a couple of patents on the common name for LFNs regarding FAT32 as an example. But, not FAT32 itself. I'm not correcting you. Just providing supporting information. -- Dave "Jeff Richards" wrote in message ... NTFS is proprietary to MS so it can't be used except under licence. It appears it is not patented, just secret. Some parts of FAT32 are patented but the patents have been overturned and then reinstated and I'm not sure what state they are currently in. But the patents only related to some specific features of FAT32, so it is affectively available to anyone who wants to use it. If it was patentable MS would be able to enforce their rights by getting licensing fees from anyone who used it. For NTFS they could pursue civil remedies for breach of licence for reverse engineering (very difficult) or for breach of non-disclosure agreements (easier legally, but very difficult to prove). In practice, they seem OK with the present state, which is that copies of NTFS can be created that duplicate the functionality without necessarily being exactly the same. Interestingly, my latest USB drive came formatted as NTFS, or at least something that the OS sees as NTFS.. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , MEB writes: [] ago, and again two years ago; while you consistently claim Microsoft, while explaining its own *patented* file system has falsely stated its system AND what its own tools support. Meanwhile, using your same [] Once again you ignore Microsoft, the *OWNER* of the PATENTED file/storage system. These styles and types of Microsoft's statements are its own *DESIGN characteristics* [which it has modified over time]. [] The KEY to that is: "This behavior is by design." [] Just out of curiosity: Which filing system(s) - FAT (12, 16, and/or 32), NTFS, and/or both/all - do Microsoft own (or at least hold patents on)? (Note that I've not said "you claim" - I'm not disputing what you say.) What is the practical upshot of them owning a filing system in this way: just that they won't support anyone who builds partitions with something else, or something more serious (like litigation)? When do the relevant patents run out (like Compuserve's one on the .gif format did)? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** "You know, I'm beginning to think that the Right To Life movement in this country believes that life officially begins when you agree with *them*." - Dennis Miller |
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Will a new harddrive work witn win98SE?
Yes, my System Commander 7.05 has Partition Commander hard coded in it.
Partition Commander can make NTFS partitions compatible for XP. However, whenever XP opens, the partition is automatically corrected by chkdsk. All is fine after that. MS has a couple of patents on the common name for LFNs regarding FAT32 as an example. But, not FAT32 itself. I'm not correcting you. Just providing supporting information. -- Dave "Jeff Richards" wrote in message ... NTFS is proprietary to MS so it can't be used except under licence. It appears it is not patented, just secret. Some parts of FAT32 are patented but the patents have been overturned and then reinstated and I'm not sure what state they are currently in. But the patents only related to some specific features of FAT32, so it is affectively available to anyone who wants to use it. If it was patentable MS would be able to enforce their rights by getting licensing fees from anyone who used it. For NTFS they could pursue civil remedies for breach of licence for reverse engineering (very difficult) or for breach of non-disclosure agreements (easier legally, but very difficult to prove). In practice, they seem OK with the present state, which is that copies of NTFS can be created that duplicate the functionality without necessarily being exactly the same. Interestingly, my latest USB drive came formatted as NTFS, or at least something that the OS sees as NTFS.. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , MEB writes: [] ago, and again two years ago; while you consistently claim Microsoft, while explaining its own *patented* file system has falsely stated its system AND what its own tools support. Meanwhile, using your same [] Once again you ignore Microsoft, the *OWNER* of the PATENTED file/storage system. These styles and types of Microsoft's statements are its own *DESIGN characteristics* [which it has modified over time]. [] The KEY to that is: "This behavior is by design." [] Just out of curiosity: Which filing system(s) - FAT (12, 16, and/or 32), NTFS, and/or both/all - do Microsoft own (or at least hold patents on)? (Note that I've not said "you claim" - I'm not disputing what you say.) What is the practical upshot of them owning a filing system in this way: just that they won't support anyone who builds partitions with something else, or something more serious (like litigation)? When do the relevant patents run out (like Compuserve's one on the .gif format did)? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously outdated thoughts on PCs. ** "You know, I'm beginning to think that the Right To Life movement in this country believes that life officially begins when you agree with *them*." - Dennis Miller |
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