uninstalling office programs

My nephew's computer runs win 98, 1gb HD, 55mb free, no firewall or antivirus
yet, and surprisingly no viruses after ten months on dialup! (how can that
be? ... his popup blocker or downloaded toolbars? an external modem firewall
that I couldn't find?)

So we need to free up space to install apps. ASAP!

I attempted to uninstall some components of MS Office 2000 Pro, namely
Access and Powerpoint.
The uninstaller in Add/Remove Programs only tries to install.

When I select to 'repair or remove components' it will only open up the
install wizard. Is there a trick to this? Is it possible the uninstaller is
corrupt?

When we get it working, since he is using Outlook Express, can we uninstall
Outlook, too?

I know the programs are fully installed, because they run.

Any help would be appreciated.
Liz

Office installer actually installs/uninstalls. When Office is installed =
you select what to install, all you need to do is unselect anything you =
do not want while in the installer. I've never used Off2K but have used =
Off 95, 97 Pro and now I use XP Pro. IIRC all install/uninstall in the =
same manner, can't remember if I used the CD with 95 or not.

--=20
Brian A.

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"Liz Murphy" wrote in message =
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My nephew's computer runs win 98, 1gb HD, 55mb free, no firewall or =
antivirus=20
yet, and surprisingly no viruses after ten months on dialup! (how can =
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be? ... his popup blocker or downloaded toolbars? an external modem =
firewall=20
that I couldn't find?)
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So we need to free up space to install apps. ASAP!
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I attempted to uninstall some components of MS Office 2000 Pro, namely =

Access and Powerpoint.=20
The uninstaller in Add/Remove Programs only tries to install.=20
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When I select to 'repair or remove components' it will only open up =
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install wizard. Is there a trick to this? Is it possible the =
uninstaller is=20
corrupt?=20
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When we get it working, since he is using Outlook Express, can we =
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Outlook, too?
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I know the programs are fully installed, because they run.
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Any help would be appreciated.
Liz

I don't have office 2000 installed here....I have Office XP....but when you select
Repair or Remove Components, and the install wizard starts, you should be able to
un-check the components you do not want and then uninstall. There is no "uninstall
wizard"....the install wizard is where it is all done, through Office Setup.

My nephew's computer runs win 98, 1gb HD, 55mb free, no firewall or antivirus
yet, and surprisingly no viruses after ten months on dialup!

Are you quite sure of that? If there is no anti-virus installed, how do you know
there are no viruses? I would be surprised if there was no spyware or trojans,
especially if he has been installing toolbars. Has he been to Windows Update and
installed all the critical updates for Win98?

So we need to free up space to install apps. ASAP!

No, actually you need to free up space and NOT install any apps. With only 55MB
free space, it is surprising that Windows is running at all. It requires a lot more
free space than that just to maintain the swap file. You need to free up quite a
lot of space, or get a bigger hard drive, then go to Windows Update for the critical
updates. Following that, install an anti-virus and keep it updated frequently....I
update daily. There are some free anti-virus apps available.....one is AVG Free
Edition:
http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php

I suggest you do a deeper check for spyware and trojans, along with any possible
viruses:

Install an anti-virus app, update it, and then run a full-system virus scan.

Use CWShredder, the CoolWeb removal tool, available he
http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads31.html
http://www.spywareinfo.com/downloads...CWShredder.exe
http://aumha.org/downloads/cwshredder.zip
Run it with all browser windows and programs closed, and click the Fix button.

In addition, install Ad-Aware 6 free edition, start it, click its 'Check for
Updates' link in the app to install updates, then use it to scan your system, and
remove what it finds.
Ad-Awa
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Liz Murphy" wrote in message
...
My nephew's computer runs win 98, 1gb HD, 55mb free, no firewall or antivirus
yet, and surprisingly no viruses after ten months on dialup! (how can that
be? ... his popup blocker or downloaded toolbars? an external modem firewall
that I couldn't find?)

So we need to free up space to install apps. ASAP!

I attempted to uninstall some components of MS Office 2000 Pro, namely
Access and Powerpoint.
The uninstaller in Add/Remove Programs only tries to install.

When I select to 'repair or remove components' it will only open up the
install wizard. Is there a trick to this? Is it possible the uninstaller is
corrupt?

When we get it working, since he is using Outlook Express, can we uninstall
Outlook, too?

I know the programs are fully installed, because they run.

Any help would be appreciated.
Liz

Hi Brian, thanks for replying.

Your answer was not clear to me, are you saying that I have to use the
installer and select only the programs I want to keep, then go through
another install?
Hmm

I did select the programs, one at a time, to uninstall in the installer, it
immediately started "copying files" that is not the progress window I
expected to see, so I cancelled it, not enough free space to risk it. I tried
it with the Office cd, couldn't get anywhere without it.

At home the kids have a 95 and a 98, and I have an XP pro I use daily. I
don't have Office 2000 Pro on any of them, so I can't really troubleshoot it
from here.

Here's another thing, his BIOS is dated 1995. I assume that might mean that
this was an upgrade from win 95, how can I tell? Would it make a difference
as far as whether this version of 98 can run Office 2k? He only had two 98
updates in the add/remove programs list. Shouldn't there be a whole lot more,
or aren't they stored there like in XP?

What if I rename the app folders to see if it would screw up anything else
before just deleting them, then using RegSeeker or RegCleaner to pick out the
stuff that's left? Are Office programs too deeply integrated to just delete
some of the programs?Even if they are, couldn't I do a repair install on any
broken programs that are left, to reinstall missing shared files?

Thanks again,
Liz

"Brian A." wrote:

Office installer actually installs/uninstalls. When Office is installed you select what to install, all you need to do is unselect anything you do not want while in the installer. I've never used Off2K but have used Off 95, 97 Pro and now I use XP Pro. IIRC all install/uninstall in the same manner, can't remember if I used the CD with 95 or not.

--
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Liz Murphy" wrote in message ...
My nephew's computer runs win 98, 1gb HD, 55mb free, no firewall or antivirus
yet, and surprisingly no viruses after ten months on dialup! (how can that
be? ... his popup blocker or downloaded toolbars? an external modem firewall
that I couldn't find?)

So we need to free up space to install apps. ASAP!

I attempted to uninstall some components of MS Office 2000 Pro, namely
Access and Powerpoint.
The uninstaller in Add/Remove Programs only tries to install.

When I select to 'repair or remove components' it will only open up the
install wizard. Is there a trick to this? Is it possible the uninstaller is
corrupt?

When we get it working, since he is using Outlook Express, can we uninstall
Outlook, too?

I know the programs are fully installed, because they run.

Any help would be appreciated.
Liz

Hi glee, thanks for responding,
The message I got was "choose which programs you want to install" and when I
selected one to remove anyway, I got the 'copying files' progress window, so
I cancelled.
I guess I should have specified that in my first post.
Liz

"glee" wrote:

I don't have office 2000 installed here....I have Office XP....but when you select
Repair or Remove Components, and the install wizard starts, you should be able to
un-check the components you do not want and then uninstall. There is no "uninstall
wizard"....the install wizard is where it is all done, through Office Setup.

My nephew's computer runs win 98, 1gb HD, 55mb free, no firewall or antivirus
yet, and surprisingly no viruses after ten months on dialup!

Are you quite sure of that? If there is no anti-virus installed, how do you know
there are no viruses? I would be surprised if there was no spyware or trojans,
especially if he has been installing toolbars. Has he been to Windows Update and
installed all the critical updates for Win98?

So we need to free up space to install apps. ASAP!

No, actually you need to free up space and NOT install any apps. With only 55MB
free space, it is surprising that Windows is running at all. It requires a lot more
free space than that just to maintain the swap file. You need to free up quite a
lot of space, or get a bigger hard drive, then go to Windows Update for the critical
updates. Following that, install an anti-virus and keep it updated frequently....I
update daily. There are some free anti-virus apps available.....one is AVG Free
Edition:
http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php

I suggest you do a deeper check for spyware and trojans, along with any possible
viruses:

Install an anti-virus app, update it, and then run a full-system virus scan.

Use CWShredder, the CoolWeb removal tool, available he
http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads31.html
http://www.spywareinfo.com/downloads...CWShredder.exe
http://aumha.org/downloads/cwshredder.zip
Run it with all browser windows and programs closed, and click the Fix button.

In addition, install Ad-Aware 6 free edition, start it, click its 'Check for
Updates' link in the app to install updates, then use it to scan your system, and
remove what it finds.
Ad-Awa
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Liz Murphy" wrote in message
...
My nephew's computer runs win 98, 1gb HD, 55mb free, no firewall or antivirus
yet, and surprisingly no viruses after ten months on dialup! (how can that
be? ... his popup blocker or downloaded toolbars? an external modem firewall
that I couldn't find?)

So we need to free up space to install apps. ASAP!

I attempted to uninstall some components of MS Office 2000 Pro, namely
Access and Powerpoint.
The uninstaller in Add/Remove Programs only tries to install.

When I select to 'repair or remove components' it will only open up the
install wizard. Is there a trick to this? Is it possible the uninstaller is
corrupt?

When we get it working, since he is using Outlook Express, can we uninstall
Outlook, too?

I know the programs are fully installed, because they run.

Any help would be appreciated.
Liz

Replies inline, below:

"Liz Murphy" wrote in message
...
Hi Brian, thanks for replying.

Your answer was not clear to me, are you saying that I have to use the
installer and select only the programs I want to keep, then go through
another install?

No, you run Office setup and un-select the components you want to remove. See my
reply in this thread.


I did select the programs, one at a time, to uninstall in the installer, it
immediately started "copying files" that is not the progress window I
expected to see, so I cancelled it, not enough free space to risk it. I tried
it with the Office cd, couldn't get anywhere without it.

It will show "copying files" even though it is actually removing them, if you are
removing components rather than adding them. That is normal for Office
setup....don't cancel.


At home the kids have a 95 and a 98, and I have an XP pro I use daily. I
don't have Office 2000 Pro on any of them, so I can't really troubleshoot it
from here.

Here's another thing, his BIOS is dated 1995. I assume that might mean that
this was an upgrade from win 95, how can I tell? Would it make a difference
as far as whether this version of 98 can run Office 2k? He only had two 98
updates in the add/remove programs list. Shouldn't there be a whole lot more,
or aren't they stored there like in XP?

All the updates are not added to Add\Remove in Win98, but he likely does not have
the system up-to-date. It matters not whether it is an upgrade from Win95 as far as
what version of Office is concerned. All that matters is what version of Windows is
currently installed.


What if I rename the app folders to see if it would screw up anything else
before just deleting them, then using RegSeeker or RegCleaner to pick out the
stuff that's left? Are Office programs too deeply integrated to just delete
some of the programs?Even if they are, couldn't I do a repair install on any
broken programs that are left, to reinstall missing shared files?

Not a good idea.....office is far too large a suite of apps to handle that way.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Thanks again,
Liz

"Brian A." wrote:

Office installer actually installs/uninstalls. When Office is installed you
select what to install, all you need to do is unselect anything you do not want
while in the installer. I've never used Off2K but have used Off 95, 97 Pro and now I
use XP Pro. IIRC all install/uninstall in the same manner, can't remember if I used
the CD with 95 or not.

--
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Liz Murphy" wrote in message
...
My nephew's computer runs win 98, 1gb HD, 55mb free, no firewall or antivirus
yet, and surprisingly no viruses after ten months on dialup! (how can that
be? ... his popup blocker or downloaded toolbars? an external modem firewall
that I couldn't find?)

So we need to free up space to install apps. ASAP!

I attempted to uninstall some components of MS Office 2000 Pro, namely
Access and Powerpoint.
The uninstaller in Add/Remove Programs only tries to install.

When I select to 'repair or remove components' it will only open up the
install wizard. Is there a trick to this? Is it possible the uninstaller is
corrupt?

When we get it working, since he is using Outlook Express, can we uninstall
Outlook, too?

I know the programs are fully installed, because they run.

Any help would be appreciated.
Liz

I have replied to your post under Brian's reply.
You run Office setup, choose the option to remove components, un-select the items
you want to remove, click OK, and setup will show the 'copying files' screens....it
will actually be removing them if that is the action you performed.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Liz Murphy" wrote in message
...
Hi glee, thanks for responding,
The message I got was "choose which programs you want to install" and when I
selected one to remove anyway, I got the 'copying files' progress window, so
I cancelled.
I guess I should have specified that in my first post.
Liz

"glee" wrote:

I don't have office 2000 installed here....I have Office XP....but when you
select
Repair or Remove Components, and the install wizard starts, you should be able
to
un-check the components you do not want and then uninstall. There is no
"uninstall
wizard"....the install wizard is where it is all done, through Office Setup.

My nephew's computer runs win 98, 1gb HD, 55mb free, no firewall or antivirus
yet, and surprisingly no viruses after ten months on dialup!

Are you quite sure of that? If there is no anti-virus installed, how do you
know
there are no viruses? I would be surprised if there was no spyware or trojans,
especially if he has been installing toolbars. Has he been to Windows Update
and
installed all the critical updates for Win98?

So we need to free up space to install apps. ASAP!

No, actually you need to free up space and NOT install any apps. With only 55MB
free space, it is surprising that Windows is running at all. It requires a lot
more
free space than that just to maintain the swap file. You need to free up quite
a
lot of space, or get a bigger hard drive, then go to Windows Update for the
critical
updates. Following that, install an anti-virus and keep it updated
frequently....I
update daily. There are some free anti-virus apps available.....one is AVG Free
Edition:
http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php

I suggest you do a deeper check for spyware and trojans, along with any possible
viruses:

Install an anti-virus app, update it, and then run a full-system virus scan.

Use CWShredder, the CoolWeb removal tool, available he
http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads31.html
http://www.spywareinfo.com/downloads...CWShredder.exe
http://aumha.org/downloads/cwshredder.zip
Run it with all browser windows and programs closed, and click the Fix button.

In addition, install Ad-Aware 6 free edition, start it, click its 'Check for
Updates' link in the app to install updates, then use it to scan your system,
and
remove what it finds.
Ad-Awa
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Liz Murphy" wrote in message
...
My nephew's computer runs win 98, 1gb HD, 55mb free, no firewall or antivirus
yet, and surprisingly no viruses after ten months on dialup! (how can that
be? ... his popup blocker or downloaded toolbars? an external modem firewall
that I couldn't find?)

So we need to free up space to install apps. ASAP!

I attempted to uninstall some components of MS Office 2000 Pro, namely
Access and Powerpoint.
The uninstaller in Add/Remove Programs only tries to install.

When I select to 'repair or remove components' it will only open up the
install wizard. Is there a trick to this? Is it possible the uninstaller is
corrupt?

When we get it working, since he is using Outlook Express, can we uninstall
Outlook, too?

I know the programs are fully installed, because they run.

Any help would be appreciated.
Liz

"glee" wrote in message =
...
snip
No, you run Office setup and un-select the components you want to =
remove. See my
reply in this thread.

That's the ticket. I went blank on "Setup" or I should have at least =
said Install Wizard which is closer. {
snip

--=20
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

Thank you for clarifying that!

Ok,
When I select to "repair or remove" I then get the 'select programs to
install box'
at no point do I have the option to choose between repair and remove, I just
assumed it wouldn't wait until after "copying files" was completed to ask
which task to perform.

I guess that's why I thought it was repairing the program instead of
removing it.

This is the Office 2k pro installation wizard, the field to the left of the
list where you would normally select the programs aren't checkboxes, rather
they are dropdown menus for each program. I can't remember exactly what they
all said,(one was the option to install on first use, I think) but most of
the options didn't make sense to me, (and none of them said remove, or
uninstall) and I really do understand computers! So to select them, I clicked
the program's name and that selected it. (but it looked like I selected it to
install it because the box was called "select programs to install")
I have used installation wizards to uninstall programs before, but I've
never been confused by them. LOL

Tomorrow I will go to his house and try it again, and re-read those dropdown
list options again, I wasn't aware "copying files" was an uninstall task.

Thanks again!

"glee" wrote:

Replies inline, below:

"Liz Murphy" wrote in message
...
Hi Brian, thanks for replying.

Your answer was not clear to me, are you saying that I have to use the
installer and select only the programs I want to keep, then go through
another install?

No, you run Office setup and un-select the components you want to remove. See my
reply in this thread.


I did select the programs, one at a time, to uninstall in the installer, it
immediately started "copying files" that is not the progress window I
expected to see, so I cancelled it, not enough free space to risk it. I tried
it with the Office cd, couldn't get anywhere without it.

It will show "copying files" even though it is actually removing them, if you are
removing components rather than adding them. That is normal for Office
setup....don't cancel.


At home the kids have a 95 and a 98, and I have an XP pro I use daily. I
don't have Office 2000 Pro on any of them, so I can't really troubleshoot it
from here.

Here's another thing, his BIOS is dated 1995. I assume that might mean that
this was an upgrade from win 95, how can I tell? Would it make a difference
as far as whether this version of 98 can run Office 2k? He only had two 98
updates in the add/remove programs list. Shouldn't there be a whole lot more,
or aren't they stored there like in XP?

All the updates are not added to Add\Remove in Win98, but he likely does not have
the system up-to-date. It matters not whether it is an upgrade from Win95 as far as
what version of Office is concerned. All that matters is what version of Windows is
currently installed.


What if I rename the app folders to see if it would screw up anything else
before just deleting them, then using RegSeeker or RegCleaner to pick out the
stuff that's left? Are Office programs too deeply integrated to just delete
some of the programs?Even if they are, couldn't I do a repair install on any
broken programs that are left, to reinstall missing shared files?

Not a good idea.....office is far too large a suite of apps to handle that way.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Thanks again,
Liz

"Brian A." wrote:

Office installer actually installs/uninstalls. When Office is installed you
select what to install, all you need to do is unselect anything you do not want
while in the installer. I've never used Off2K but have used Off 95, 97 Pro and now I
use XP Pro. IIRC all install/uninstall in the same manner, can't remember if I used
the CD with 95 or not.

--
Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Liz Murphy" wrote in message
...
My nephew's computer runs win 98, 1gb HD, 55mb free, no firewall or antivirus
yet, and surprisingly no viruses after ten months on dialup! (how can that
be? ... his popup blocker or downloaded toolbars? an external modem firewall
that I couldn't find?)

So we need to free up space to install apps. ASAP!

I attempted to uninstall some components of MS Office 2000 Pro, namely
Access and Powerpoint.
The uninstaller in Add/Remove Programs only tries to install.

When I select to 'repair or remove components' it will only open up the
install wizard. Is there a trick to this? Is it possible the uninstaller is
corrupt?

When we get it working, since he is using Outlook Express, can we uninstall
Outlook, too?

I know the programs are fully installed, because they run.

Any help would be appreciated.
Liz

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:29:02 -0700, "Liz Murphy"

Your broader (implied) question is: How to free HD space. To do that,
do this - in this order:

0) Check file system for errors

Windows Explorer
Rt-click C:, Properties, Tools
Check disk for errors (i.e. running Scandisk)

1) Clear web browser caches

Internet Explorer; Tools, (Internet) Options
General tab, Delete Files in the middle section

Other web browsers (Netscape, Opera, Mozilla) have their own web
caches, and ways of clearing them and reducing size, as next...

2) Limit web browser cache size

Internet Explorer; Tools, (Internet) Options
General tab, Settings... in the middle section

Set that from whatever crazy bloatware default is there, down to 10M
tops. The cache will refill up to limit set, so set low for space.

3) Clear Temp and Spool files

After a fresh Windows start, Windows Explorer and navigate into the OS
subtree (typically C:\WINDOWS). Find Temp and go in there, and delete
selectively, holding down Shift key throughout this process (else
files aren't deleted but transferred to Recycle Bin, no space saved).

What to delete:
- any files ending in .TMP
- any files starting with ~
- any .TXT, .HTM etc.
- in fact, you can delete all loose files there
- any yellow folders with random-looking names

Still in Windows Explorer and the OS subtree, go into "spool" and,
within that, Printers and Fax. Delete everything in those folders;
there won't usually be much.

4) Repeat steps (1-3) for each user profile

It's possible to set up "user profiles" in Win9x so that each user has
duplicated temp, web cache, etc. and that obviously wastes a lot of
space. This is mandatory in XP.

In Win9x, this material can be cleaned from these accounts; it will be
stored within "Profiles" within the OS subtree, possibly with Temp
under "Local Settings".

5) Review and clear Recycle Bin

6) Review and purge email Trash

Until you do (5) and (6), don't begin to get free space back.

7) Uninstall unwanted apps

Last resort; don't worry if free space is OK by now. You should
always use Control Panel, Add/Remove programs to uninstall apps, for a
number of reasons; the most relevant here is that this is the only
safe way to free space within the OS subtree these apps may consume.

8) Delete unneeded .HLP, .WAV, .BMP

This is really desperate stuff! If no sound card, can delete all
..WAV, and wallpaper .BMP too. The Help dir in the OS subtree can
contain a lot of .HLP files, as well as videos that may be quite
large, so you can clear those too. Remember to hold down Shift to
avoid Recycle Bin, or clear that afterwards.

9) Compact mail

Now that you have the max space free, it's less dangerous to compact
mailboxes (can fail if low free space). Mailboxes don't regain space
when messages are deleted until they are "compacted", i.e. space freed
and indexes re-generated.

10) Defrag file system

Now that the system's settled down, you can consolidate your free
space to the end of the volume for performance. You could do this
step before (9); I usually do. Note that defragging doesn't free up
more space; it just lets you use the same free space more efficiently.

Your answer was not clear to me, are you saying that I have to use the
installer and select only the programs I want to keep

Yep

then go through another install?

Nope.

What's supposed to happen is that when you OK your way out, it will
add what's checked that wasn't before, and remove what was checked but
is no longer checked now.

I did select the programs, one at a time, to uninstall in the installer, it
immediately started "copying files" that is not the progress window I
expected to see, so I cancelled it, not enough free space to risk it. I tried
it with the Office cd, couldn't get anywhere without it.

Don't cancel the process, you may be left in an "undefined" state

Here's another thing, his BIOS is dated 1995. I assume that might mean that
this was an upgrade from win 95, how can I tell?

BIOS is system-level, and unrelated to any Operating System such as
Windows. It's like the wheels on your car; they say nothing about
whatever tyres are on them other than limiting possible tyres to those
compatible with the hardware (wheel size).

What if I rename the app folders to see if it would screw up anything else
before just deleting them, then using RegSeeker or RegCleaner to pick out the
stuff that's left?

Don't do that.

Are Office programs too deeply integrated to just delete some
of the programs?

Definitely. This is about hte worst case of how MS embeds
"applications' into system territory - you'd leave huge wads of bloat
in the OS subtree and registry if you did that. Bad, bad, bad.



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