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  #1  
Old August 26th 09, 03:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
shemar
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Default Transferring files from Windows 98 pen computer to Windows XP tabl

Mine is a most bizarre request for information and I don't know where to post
it.

To give a brief summary of why and what I am looking for, I filed a
complaint with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta (the
governing medical board for doctors practicing in this province) against a
psychiatrist who minimized sibling sexual abuse as a "common occurrence"
without asking any pertinent questions about the abuse (i.e. How old was I .
.. . How old was my brother . . . Etc.). This minimization was the cause for
reinforcing all the negative feelings I had about myself (a common effect of
abuse, whereby the victim blames his/herself).

The College decision favored in the doctor. About a week after receiving
the College's decision, I received a copy of my file as recorded by this
psychiatrist, in which the College based their decision. Within minutes of
receiving this file, I noticed a discrepancy in the content of the file and
had alerted the College right away. When I reviewed it further, I found
multiple differences of what he wrote and what actually occurred. The whole
file had been rewritten from beginning to end, which led me to file another
complaint of fraud. In the course of this investigation, it became known
that the doctor did indeed rewrite my file, not once but twice and he gave
the following explanation:

He had a "pen" computer with Windows 95 and when he bought a new pen
computer with Windows 98, he had no trouble transferring files from one
computer to another. Then in 2002, he bought a "tablet" computer with
Windows XP. He is maintaining that the operating system of Windows 98 was
not compatible to Windows XP and therefore he ran into problems transferring
files forcing him to hand write all his file notes into the new computer.
When I had filed the standard of care complaint against him, he went to print
out the file to send to the College and found that it had a "computer
generated date" on each printout that didn't correspond to the actual date of
the session but rather it reflected the date on which he "rewrote" the file
into the new tablet computer. He felt that I would be upset if I saw this
computer generated date, so he rewrote it again, and sent the College a copy
of the handwritten file to their request for a copy of the "original" file.

The College was willing to believe him to the extent that they ruled in his
favor again.

I am appealing the College's decision and am looking for any holes that I
can possibly find in the doctor's above noted statement. I am hoping to find
that there were *no* issues with transferring files between these two
operating systems, casting doubt on his statement whereby the College is
forced to look seriously at my complaint of fraud. Where would I find any
information about transferring files from Windows 98 "pen" to Windows XP
"tablet" and if there were any compatibility difficulties between them?
  #2  
Old August 26th 09, 05:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Don Phillipson[_5_]
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Posts: 440
Default Transferring files from Windows 98 pen computer to Windows XP tabl

"shemar" wrote in message
...

. . . decision favored in the doctor. About a week after receiving
the College's decision, I received a copy of my file as recorded by this
psychiatrist, in which the College based their decision. Within minutes

of
receiving this file, I noticed a discrepancy in the content of the file

and
had alerted the College right away. When I reviewed it further, I found
multiple differences of what he wrote and what actually occurred. The

whole
file had been rewritten from beginning to end, which led me to file

another
complaint of fraud. In the course of this investigation, it became known
that the doctor did indeed rewrite my file, not once but twice and he gave
the following explanation:

.. . .
He had a "pen" computer with Windows 95 and when he bought a new pen
computer with Windows 98, he had no trouble transferring files from one
computer to another. Then in 2002, he bought a "tablet" computer with
Windows XP. He is maintaining that the operating system of Windows 98 was
not compatible to Windows XP and therefore he ran into problems

transferring
files forcing him to hand write all his file notes into the new computer.
When I had filed the standard of care complaint against him, he went to

print
out the file to send to the College and found that it had a "computer
generated date" on each printout that didn't correspond to the actual date

of
the session but rather it reflected the date on which he "rewrote" the

file
into the new tablet computer. He felt that I would be upset if I saw this
computer generated date, so he rewrote it again, and sent the College a

copy
of the handwritten file to their request for a copy of the "original"

file.

The College was willing to believe him to the extent that they ruled in

his
favor again.

I am appealing the College's decision and am looking for any holes that I
can possibly find in the doctor's above noted statement.


1. Your chances appear small. You may lack enough knowledge of
computers to make for yourself those inquiries that may serve your
cause.
2. Many users (perhaps you too) have difficulty learning how to work
with new hardware or new software. In giving the doctor the benefit of
the doubt the College is following the main precedents in this sort of
case.
3. Operating systems have little or no effect on data files e.g. documents.
(But there are differences, e.g. that WinXP can be set to record two dates
for each file, of first creation and last alteration, while Win98 records
only
"Date Modified.") File format is the important character of data files
(e.g.
affects how easily data files can be transferred from one PC to another)
and some software (e.g. MS Word) can be configured to keep a sort of
log of changes made in a file. But you do know what software the
doctor used, or what format his data files had.
4. No difference between "pen" and "tablet" PCs is relevant (even if the
user felt at the time they seemed very different.) All that counts is file
format, which derives from the application software, not the PC's
Operating System (WinXP or Win98: the only link is that some
WinXP software will not run at all under Win98.)
4. Your strongest point seems to be that when the College ordered
that the original files be printed out the doctor did not do this but
supplied
a handwritten and rewritten narrative. But you cannot be sure the
College's judicial body understands #3 and $4 above.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #3  
Old August 26th 09, 05:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Don Phillipson[_5_]
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Posts: 440
Default Transferring files from Windows 98 pen computer to Windows XP tabl

"shemar" wrote in message
...

. . . decision favored in the doctor. About a week after receiving
the College's decision, I received a copy of my file as recorded by this
psychiatrist, in which the College based their decision. Within minutes

of
receiving this file, I noticed a discrepancy in the content of the file

and
had alerted the College right away. When I reviewed it further, I found
multiple differences of what he wrote and what actually occurred. The

whole
file had been rewritten from beginning to end, which led me to file

another
complaint of fraud. In the course of this investigation, it became known
that the doctor did indeed rewrite my file, not once but twice and he gave
the following explanation:

.. . .
He had a "pen" computer with Windows 95 and when he bought a new pen
computer with Windows 98, he had no trouble transferring files from one
computer to another. Then in 2002, he bought a "tablet" computer with
Windows XP. He is maintaining that the operating system of Windows 98 was
not compatible to Windows XP and therefore he ran into problems

transferring
files forcing him to hand write all his file notes into the new computer.
When I had filed the standard of care complaint against him, he went to

print
out the file to send to the College and found that it had a "computer
generated date" on each printout that didn't correspond to the actual date

of
the session but rather it reflected the date on which he "rewrote" the

file
into the new tablet computer. He felt that I would be upset if I saw this
computer generated date, so he rewrote it again, and sent the College a

copy
of the handwritten file to their request for a copy of the "original"

file.

The College was willing to believe him to the extent that they ruled in

his
favor again.

I am appealing the College's decision and am looking for any holes that I
can possibly find in the doctor's above noted statement.


1. Your chances appear small. You may lack enough knowledge of
computers to make for yourself those inquiries that may serve your
cause.
2. Many users (perhaps you too) have difficulty learning how to work
with new hardware or new software. In giving the doctor the benefit of
the doubt the College is following the main precedents in this sort of
case.
3. Operating systems have little or no effect on data files e.g. documents.
(But there are differences, e.g. that WinXP can be set to record two dates
for each file, of first creation and last alteration, while Win98 records
only
"Date Modified.") File format is the important character of data files
(e.g.
affects how easily data files can be transferred from one PC to another)
and some software (e.g. MS Word) can be configured to keep a sort of
log of changes made in a file. But you do know what software the
doctor used, or what format his data files had.
4. No difference between "pen" and "tablet" PCs is relevant (even if the
user felt at the time they seemed very different.) All that counts is file
format, which derives from the application software, not the PC's
Operating System (WinXP or Win98: the only link is that some
WinXP software will not run at all under Win98.)
4. Your strongest point seems to be that when the College ordered
that the original files be printed out the doctor did not do this but
supplied
a handwritten and rewritten narrative. But you cannot be sure the
College's judicial body understands #3 and $4 above.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #4  
Old August 26th 09, 10:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MEB[_18_]
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Posts: 537
Default Transferring files from Windows 98 pen computer to Windows XPtabl

shemar wrote:
Mine is a most bizarre request for information and I don't know where to post
it.

To give a brief summary of why and what I am looking for, I filed a
complaint with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta (the
governing medical board for doctors practicing in this province) against a
psychiatrist who minimized sibling sexual abuse as a "common occurrence"
without asking any pertinent questions about the abuse (i.e. How old was I .
.. . How old was my brother . . . Etc.). This minimization was the cause for
reinforcing all the negative feelings I had about myself (a common effect of
abuse, whereby the victim blames his/herself).

The College decision favored in the doctor. About a week after receiving
the College's decision, I received a copy of my file as recorded by this
psychiatrist, in which the College based their decision. Within minutes of
receiving this file, I noticed a discrepancy in the content of the file and
had alerted the College right away. When I reviewed it further, I found
multiple differences of what he wrote and what actually occurred. The whole
file had been rewritten from beginning to end, which led me to file another
complaint of fraud. In the course of this investigation, it became known
that the doctor did indeed rewrite my file, not once but twice and he gave
the following explanation:

He had a "pen" computer with Windows 95 and when he bought a new pen
computer with Windows 98, he had no trouble transferring files from one
computer to another. Then in 2002, he bought a "tablet" computer with
Windows XP. He is maintaining that the operating system of Windows 98 was
not compatible to Windows XP and therefore he ran into problems transferring
files forcing him to hand write all his file notes into the new computer.
When I had filed the standard of care complaint against him, he went to print
out the file to send to the College and found that it had a "computer
generated date" on each printout that didn't correspond to the actual date of
the session but rather it reflected the date on which he "rewrote" the file
into the new tablet computer. He felt that I would be upset if I saw this
computer generated date, so he rewrote it again, and sent the College a copy
of the handwritten file to their request for a copy of the "original" file.

The College was willing to believe him to the extent that they ruled in his
favor again.

I am appealing the College's decision and am looking for any holes that I
can possibly find in the doctor's above noted statement. I am hoping to find
that there were *no* issues with transferring files between these two
operating systems, casting doubt on his statement whereby the College is
forced to look seriously at my complaint of fraud. Where would I find any
information about transferring files from Windows 98 "pen" to Windows XP
"tablet" and if there were any compatibility difficulties between them?


This query, as set-forth, is more in-line with a legal matter which no
one in this group would purport to provide absolute expert answer for,
therefor a legal disclaimer would be and is necessary. This type of
information request or requested advise regarding potentials which may
be or are within the scope of legal advise, are best handled by an
actual licensed attorney or otherwise authorized party, and whatever
expert testimony or other as might be obtained through proper legal
methods. The same holds true for administrative activities which this
query apparently contains.

Let me provide a general disclaimer and Notice for the responders to
perhaps provide more opportunity for responses:

----
Disclaimer and Notice for *Transferring files from Windows 98 pen
computer to Windows XP tabl*:

The responders to this instance query are in no way or form attempting
to provide expert, free, distinct, or otherwise legal advise in this
matter; nor expert testimony or otherwise to be used outside this
distinct and limited matter wherein this disclaimer has been placed.
The qualifying responses are to be construed in light of honest
attempts to provide opinionated general information regarding operating
systems and/or related matter to the best knowledge of the party, and
therefore not to be found as nor construed in any other form or fashion.

This disclaimer and Notice is not to be construed nor considered as: an
allowance for personal attacks or offensive statements; for matters
outside the scope of this present activity; for matters outside the
scope of this instance; for deliberate attempts to provide false or
mis-leading statements or materials, regardless of the applicability to
the instant matter.

Queries of this type should be addressed towards licensed and/or
otherwise authorized members of the legal profession.

--END

Referencing the above;

Transferring files between devices and computers may affect the dates
of those files depending upon HOW the transfer was done.

The content of those files may be affected by WHEN AND WHERE those
files were accessed, in addition to transference method employed, as in
draft copies verses finalized documents, change from one format to
another or modification of same, or otherwise.

File dates and times may be accessed and modified by various tools
readily available.

Files may also be affected when opening and/or when changed/converted
between differing versions or sub-versions of an application, such as
Microsoft Office.

Files may also be affected when containing external or additional
materials such as data base, template, footnote, forms, or other like
activities.

9X does have the ability to provide both creation and
access/modification dates and times, however those may be affected by
the above mentioned activities, as well as other factors such as direct
transference to another operating system or filing/storage system. Your
attempt to address this a *re-wrote* issue fails on its face.

Moreover, you specifically note there was a change in the OS [9X to XP]
which may or does affect the files due to the differing access and
filing methods, and compatible applications as well.

The administrative review has apparently taken these potential
activities under consideration. Unless you can prove beyond reasonable
doubt [not in a legal sense but in a reasoning sense] that there was a
distinct and decided REAL attempt to defraud you and the administrative
board/school, your appeals to the board/school will likely fail,
regardless of how you word them here or elsewhere.
One could reasonable question why hand-written verses printed was used,
however, that would require more extensive examination. Potentially, a
review of both the actual saved *as printed* from both the *pen* and OS,
verses presented *hand-written* might be of value, however, that may
already have been taken under consideration, or the materials may no
longer be available in their prior form.

Proceeding and proving otherwise will require you to contact a member
of the legal profession as it will apparently require application of
other methods and proofs. You may wish to contact any available legal or
like help group at the school/university for suggestions or advise.

--
MEB
Windows Networking, Diagnostics, and other materials
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and government
http://peoplescounsel.org
-------
  #5  
Old August 26th 09, 10:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MEB[_18_]
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 537
Default Transferring files from Windows 98 pen computer to Windows XPtabl

shemar wrote:
Mine is a most bizarre request for information and I don't know where to post
it.

To give a brief summary of why and what I am looking for, I filed a
complaint with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta (the
governing medical board for doctors practicing in this province) against a
psychiatrist who minimized sibling sexual abuse as a "common occurrence"
without asking any pertinent questions about the abuse (i.e. How old was I .
.. . How old was my brother . . . Etc.). This minimization was the cause for
reinforcing all the negative feelings I had about myself (a common effect of
abuse, whereby the victim blames his/herself).

The College decision favored in the doctor. About a week after receiving
the College's decision, I received a copy of my file as recorded by this
psychiatrist, in which the College based their decision. Within minutes of
receiving this file, I noticed a discrepancy in the content of the file and
had alerted the College right away. When I reviewed it further, I found
multiple differences of what he wrote and what actually occurred. The whole
file had been rewritten from beginning to end, which led me to file another
complaint of fraud. In the course of this investigation, it became known
that the doctor did indeed rewrite my file, not once but twice and he gave
the following explanation:

He had a "pen" computer with Windows 95 and when he bought a new pen
computer with Windows 98, he had no trouble transferring files from one
computer to another. Then in 2002, he bought a "tablet" computer with
Windows XP. He is maintaining that the operating system of Windows 98 was
not compatible to Windows XP and therefore he ran into problems transferring
files forcing him to hand write all his file notes into the new computer.
When I had filed the standard of care complaint against him, he went to print
out the file to send to the College and found that it had a "computer
generated date" on each printout that didn't correspond to the actual date of
the session but rather it reflected the date on which he "rewrote" the file
into the new tablet computer. He felt that I would be upset if I saw this
computer generated date, so he rewrote it again, and sent the College a copy
of the handwritten file to their request for a copy of the "original" file.

The College was willing to believe him to the extent that they ruled in his
favor again.

I am appealing the College's decision and am looking for any holes that I
can possibly find in the doctor's above noted statement. I am hoping to find
that there were *no* issues with transferring files between these two
operating systems, casting doubt on his statement whereby the College is
forced to look seriously at my complaint of fraud. Where would I find any
information about transferring files from Windows 98 "pen" to Windows XP
"tablet" and if there were any compatibility difficulties between them?


This query, as set-forth, is more in-line with a legal matter which no
one in this group would purport to provide absolute expert answer for,
therefor a legal disclaimer would be and is necessary. This type of
information request or requested advise regarding potentials which may
be or are within the scope of legal advise, are best handled by an
actual licensed attorney or otherwise authorized party, and whatever
expert testimony or other as might be obtained through proper legal
methods. The same holds true for administrative activities which this
query apparently contains.

Let me provide a general disclaimer and Notice for the responders to
perhaps provide more opportunity for responses:

----
Disclaimer and Notice for *Transferring files from Windows 98 pen
computer to Windows XP tabl*:

The responders to this instance query are in no way or form attempting
to provide expert, free, distinct, or otherwise legal advise in this
matter; nor expert testimony or otherwise to be used outside this
distinct and limited matter wherein this disclaimer has been placed.
The qualifying responses are to be construed in light of honest
attempts to provide opinionated general information regarding operating
systems and/or related matter to the best knowledge of the party, and
therefore not to be found as nor construed in any other form or fashion.

This disclaimer and Notice is not to be construed nor considered as: an
allowance for personal attacks or offensive statements; for matters
outside the scope of this present activity; for matters outside the
scope of this instance; for deliberate attempts to provide false or
mis-leading statements or materials, regardless of the applicability to
the instant matter.

Queries of this type should be addressed towards licensed and/or
otherwise authorized members of the legal profession.

--END

Referencing the above;

Transferring files between devices and computers may affect the dates
of those files depending upon HOW the transfer was done.

The content of those files may be affected by WHEN AND WHERE those
files were accessed, in addition to transference method employed, as in
draft copies verses finalized documents, change from one format to
another or modification of same, or otherwise.

File dates and times may be accessed and modified by various tools
readily available.

Files may also be affected when opening and/or when changed/converted
between differing versions or sub-versions of an application, such as
Microsoft Office.

Files may also be affected when containing external or additional
materials such as data base, template, footnote, forms, or other like
activities.

9X does have the ability to provide both creation and
access/modification dates and times, however those may be affected by
the above mentioned activities, as well as other factors such as direct
transference to another operating system or filing/storage system. Your
attempt to address this a *re-wrote* issue fails on its face.

Moreover, you specifically note there was a change in the OS [9X to XP]
which may or does affect the files due to the differing access and
filing methods, and compatible applications as well.

The administrative review has apparently taken these potential
activities under consideration. Unless you can prove beyond reasonable
doubt [not in a legal sense but in a reasoning sense] that there was a
distinct and decided REAL attempt to defraud you and the administrative
board/school, your appeals to the board/school will likely fail,
regardless of how you word them here or elsewhere.
One could reasonable question why hand-written verses printed was used,
however, that would require more extensive examination. Potentially, a
review of both the actual saved *as printed* from both the *pen* and OS,
verses presented *hand-written* might be of value, however, that may
already have been taken under consideration, or the materials may no
longer be available in their prior form.

Proceeding and proving otherwise will require you to contact a member
of the legal profession as it will apparently require application of
other methods and proofs. You may wish to contact any available legal or
like help group at the school/university for suggestions or advise.

--
MEB
Windows Networking, Diagnostics, and other materials
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and government
http://peoplescounsel.org
-------
  #6  
Old August 27th 09, 02:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jeff Richards
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,526
Default Transferring files from Windows 98 pen computer to Windows XP tabl

That 'pen' computer is probably an early tablet. Some manufacturers (eg,
Fujitsu) called their first tablets 'pen'. So I would recommend asking in a
tablet group.

Whether or not there is an issue with the physical transfer of files from
Windows 98 to XP depends only on the hardware involved. There is no issue
at all with the physical transfer of files from Windows 98 to XP as far as
the operating systems are concerned - a file is a file is a file. But if
there was no common compatible transfer medium (eg, Compact Flash Card) or
if there was no way to physically connect the machines together (eg,
connecting to a common network) then the transfer may have been declared too
difficult.

If the reference to the operating systems being incompatible is taken at
face value, that means there was a conversion problem, not a transfer
problem (how could he know there was an incompatibility unless he had
attempted to access the file?). It is very common that people who switch
from W98 to XP find that they can no longer access their files. Questions
about this in the XP newsgroups are common. For instance, they might have
had MS Works in Windows 98, but their XP came with Office. Unless they are
aware of the problem, it appears that their files are inaccessible. The
solution is actually simple, and any half competent PC tech should be able
to answer it immediately.

For the tablets, the problem might be more significant. As the document is
recorded as a graphic, not text, it is possible that conversion is more
difficult. I would be surprised if it was impossible, but it may have been
difficult enough to make it easier to recreate the files (why you would do
that in the same format, having just experienced such an incompatibility
issue, I don't know, but people have done much stranger things than that
with important files). People in the tablet groups would be up to speed
about accessing W98-format handwritten files from XP.

If that's what happened, the rewrite would have been dated the date it was
actually done, and if he wanted it to look like the original then he needed
to go back and change the dates. Again, that probably isn't too difficult to
do, but it appears that instead he chose to rewrite it by hand once again.
(Note that the dates the file system uses are probably not relevant - the
date that prints on the document is almost certainly a date recorded in the
document, not the date that the OS records for the file).

But I think the point is moot. Whether or not he could have done the
transfer from W98 to XP, he didn't. Similarly, whether or not he could have
forged the dates in the rewritten file, he didn't. Instead he created a
handwritten copy from the copy he had on the XP tablet.

It seems to me that there are two possible issues you could consider. One
'hole' you might investigate is whether it is regarded as acceptable to
provide a copy of a copy (both, presumably, not notarised) in response to a
request for the original notes. I know that when I was investigating
documentation that was required to be maintained by law, any claim that the
original was no longer available had to be supported by evidence, or the
copy would not be accepted. For instance, if it was on a PC that was
stolen, where were the police reports, insurance claim etc? In this case,
where is the account from the PC technician who attempted to do the file
transfer/conversion and failed? The problem here is that it seems that the
copy of a copy has already been accepted as adequate.

The other question that might be relevant is where are the original notes
now? Did they get transferred to the XP tablet and if so can they now be
provided for someone else to view and transcribe (or, as is likely possible)
convert to XP format and print? If they didn't get transferred, is the
original W98 'pen' (or its backup media) available for examination? If the
original isn't available then are there any issues regarding proper keeping
of records that need to be investigated?
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"shemar" wrote in message
...
Mine is a most bizarre request for information and I don't know where to
post
it.

To give a brief summary of why and what I am looking for, I filed a
complaint with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta (the
governing medical board for doctors practicing in this province) against
a
psychiatrist who minimized sibling sexual abuse as a "common occurrence"
without asking any pertinent questions about the abuse (i.e. How old was I
.
. . How old was my brother . . . Etc.). This minimization was the cause
for
reinforcing all the negative feelings I had about myself (a common effect
of
abuse, whereby the victim blames his/herself).

The College decision favored in the doctor. About a week after receiving
the College's decision, I received a copy of my file as recorded by this
psychiatrist, in which the College based their decision. Within minutes
of
receiving this file, I noticed a discrepancy in the content of the file
and
had alerted the College right away. When I reviewed it further, I found
multiple differences of what he wrote and what actually occurred. The
whole
file had been rewritten from beginning to end, which led me to file
another
complaint of fraud. In the course of this investigation, it became known
that the doctor did indeed rewrite my file, not once but twice and he gave
the following explanation:

He had a "pen" computer with Windows 95 and when he bought a new pen
computer with Windows 98, he had no trouble transferring files from one
computer to another. Then in 2002, he bought a "tablet" computer with
Windows XP. He is maintaining that the operating system of Windows 98 was
not compatible to Windows XP and therefore he ran into problems
transferring
files forcing him to hand write all his file notes into the new computer.
When I had filed the standard of care complaint against him, he went to
print
out the file to send to the College and found that it had a "computer
generated date" on each printout that didn't correspond to the actual date
of
the session but rather it reflected the date on which he "rewrote" the
file
into the new tablet computer. He felt that I would be upset if I saw this
computer generated date, so he rewrote it again, and sent the College a
copy
of the handwritten file to their request for a copy of the "original"
file.

The College was willing to believe him to the extent that they ruled in
his
favor again.

I am appealing the College's decision and am looking for any holes that I
can possibly find in the doctor's above noted statement. I am hoping to
find
that there were *no* issues with transferring files between these two
operating systems, casting doubt on his statement whereby the College is
forced to look seriously at my complaint of fraud. Where would I find
any
information about transferring files from Windows 98 "pen" to Windows XP
"tablet" and if there were any compatibility difficulties between them?



  #7  
Old August 27th 09, 02:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jeff Richards
External Usenet User
 
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Default Transferring files from Windows 98 pen computer to Windows XP tabl

That 'pen' computer is probably an early tablet. Some manufacturers (eg,
Fujitsu) called their first tablets 'pen'. So I would recommend asking in a
tablet group.

Whether or not there is an issue with the physical transfer of files from
Windows 98 to XP depends only on the hardware involved. There is no issue
at all with the physical transfer of files from Windows 98 to XP as far as
the operating systems are concerned - a file is a file is a file. But if
there was no common compatible transfer medium (eg, Compact Flash Card) or
if there was no way to physically connect the machines together (eg,
connecting to a common network) then the transfer may have been declared too
difficult.

If the reference to the operating systems being incompatible is taken at
face value, that means there was a conversion problem, not a transfer
problem (how could he know there was an incompatibility unless he had
attempted to access the file?). It is very common that people who switch
from W98 to XP find that they can no longer access their files. Questions
about this in the XP newsgroups are common. For instance, they might have
had MS Works in Windows 98, but their XP came with Office. Unless they are
aware of the problem, it appears that their files are inaccessible. The
solution is actually simple, and any half competent PC tech should be able
to answer it immediately.

For the tablets, the problem might be more significant. As the document is
recorded as a graphic, not text, it is possible that conversion is more
difficult. I would be surprised if it was impossible, but it may have been
difficult enough to make it easier to recreate the files (why you would do
that in the same format, having just experienced such an incompatibility
issue, I don't know, but people have done much stranger things than that
with important files). People in the tablet groups would be up to speed
about accessing W98-format handwritten files from XP.

If that's what happened, the rewrite would have been dated the date it was
actually done, and if he wanted it to look like the original then he needed
to go back and change the dates. Again, that probably isn't too difficult to
do, but it appears that instead he chose to rewrite it by hand once again.
(Note that the dates the file system uses are probably not relevant - the
date that prints on the document is almost certainly a date recorded in the
document, not the date that the OS records for the file).

But I think the point is moot. Whether or not he could have done the
transfer from W98 to XP, he didn't. Similarly, whether or not he could have
forged the dates in the rewritten file, he didn't. Instead he created a
handwritten copy from the copy he had on the XP tablet.

It seems to me that there are two possible issues you could consider. One
'hole' you might investigate is whether it is regarded as acceptable to
provide a copy of a copy (both, presumably, not notarised) in response to a
request for the original notes. I know that when I was investigating
documentation that was required to be maintained by law, any claim that the
original was no longer available had to be supported by evidence, or the
copy would not be accepted. For instance, if it was on a PC that was
stolen, where were the police reports, insurance claim etc? In this case,
where is the account from the PC technician who attempted to do the file
transfer/conversion and failed? The problem here is that it seems that the
copy of a copy has already been accepted as adequate.

The other question that might be relevant is where are the original notes
now? Did they get transferred to the XP tablet and if so can they now be
provided for someone else to view and transcribe (or, as is likely possible)
convert to XP format and print? If they didn't get transferred, is the
original W98 'pen' (or its backup media) available for examination? If the
original isn't available then are there any issues regarding proper keeping
of records that need to be investigated?
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MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"shemar" wrote in message
...
Mine is a most bizarre request for information and I don't know where to
post
it.

To give a brief summary of why and what I am looking for, I filed a
complaint with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta (the
governing medical board for doctors practicing in this province) against
a
psychiatrist who minimized sibling sexual abuse as a "common occurrence"
without asking any pertinent questions about the abuse (i.e. How old was I
.
. . How old was my brother . . . Etc.). This minimization was the cause
for
reinforcing all the negative feelings I had about myself (a common effect
of
abuse, whereby the victim blames his/herself).

The College decision favored in the doctor. About a week after receiving
the College's decision, I received a copy of my file as recorded by this
psychiatrist, in which the College based their decision. Within minutes
of
receiving this file, I noticed a discrepancy in the content of the file
and
had alerted the College right away. When I reviewed it further, I found
multiple differences of what he wrote and what actually occurred. The
whole
file had been rewritten from beginning to end, which led me to file
another
complaint of fraud. In the course of this investigation, it became known
that the doctor did indeed rewrite my file, not once but twice and he gave
the following explanation:

He had a "pen" computer with Windows 95 and when he bought a new pen
computer with Windows 98, he had no trouble transferring files from one
computer to another. Then in 2002, he bought a "tablet" computer with
Windows XP. He is maintaining that the operating system of Windows 98 was
not compatible to Windows XP and therefore he ran into problems
transferring
files forcing him to hand write all his file notes into the new computer.
When I had filed the standard of care complaint against him, he went to
print
out the file to send to the College and found that it had a "computer
generated date" on each printout that didn't correspond to the actual date
of
the session but rather it reflected the date on which he "rewrote" the
file
into the new tablet computer. He felt that I would be upset if I saw this
computer generated date, so he rewrote it again, and sent the College a
copy
of the handwritten file to their request for a copy of the "original"
file.

The College was willing to believe him to the extent that they ruled in
his
favor again.

I am appealing the College's decision and am looking for any holes that I
can possibly find in the doctor's above noted statement. I am hoping to
find
that there were *no* issues with transferring files between these two
operating systems, casting doubt on his statement whereby the College is
forced to look seriously at my complaint of fraud. Where would I find
any
information about transferring files from Windows 98 "pen" to Windows XP
"tablet" and if there were any compatibility difficulties between them?



  #8  
Old August 27th 09, 03:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
shemar
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Default Transferring files from Windows 98 pen computer to Windows XP tabl

Thank-you Don, MEB and Jeff for your replies.

As I mentioned, I just need enough information to cast some doubt that the
investigation to my complaint wasn't just a "cursory" observation done by the
investigator (who, by the way, is another doctor). Having received all the
material from the investigation, other than the investigator looking at the
doctor's notes on his computer, as well as looking to see what date it was
"created" on, I can find no evidence that questions or issues were raised
about software. I don't know what sort of software he had used in Windows
98, but the "electronic" file from Windows XP was written on a very
simplistic, basic format, similar to this:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/te...33&av=Z SC000
I have asked that the College obtain for me information as to what he was
using for software, but they refuse to comply.

So far, I am able to show the College that the "created" date can be
manipulated simply by disconnecting the computer from the Internet, changing
the date and then saving a file to a CD. To demonstate this, I am providing
them with a CD with correspondence they have recently received from me, which
I have dated back to as far as 1982 and even some up to 2015. I believe this
to be important, as this is what determined that the doctor told the "truth"
as to why he rewrote my file.

This is not a "court" case but rather disciplinary action would be imposed
if he were found guilty of fraud (ie his license revoked). As such, I am
without benefit of a lawyer (although the doctor has one), and the appeal
will be presented by me in front of a College board panel of three (2
doctors, 1 layperson). If I were to win the appeal, then this would go
before a panel of the doctor's peers, where a lawyer from the College would
take over. So the onus is not on me to "prove" that he committed fraud, but
that the investigation didn't do a thorough investigation; thus the main
reason why I am seeking information about transferring files. If there is
the "possibility" that the doctor was lying about compatibility issues and if
the investigator didn't delve deep enough, hopefully this will provide me
with a strong argument for my appeal.

I thank-you all again for being so responsive to my inquiry. I hope I
didn't bore you with too much details.


  #9  
Old August 27th 09, 03:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
shemar
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Default Transferring files from Windows 98 pen computer to Windows XP tabl

Thank-you Don, MEB and Jeff for your replies.

As I mentioned, I just need enough information to cast some doubt that the
investigation to my complaint wasn't just a "cursory" observation done by the
investigator (who, by the way, is another doctor). Having received all the
material from the investigation, other than the investigator looking at the
doctor's notes on his computer, as well as looking to see what date it was
"created" on, I can find no evidence that questions or issues were raised
about software. I don't know what sort of software he had used in Windows
98, but the "electronic" file from Windows XP was written on a very
simplistic, basic format, similar to this:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-ca/te...33&av=Z SC000
I have asked that the College obtain for me information as to what he was
using for software, but they refuse to comply.

So far, I am able to show the College that the "created" date can be
manipulated simply by disconnecting the computer from the Internet, changing
the date and then saving a file to a CD. To demonstate this, I am providing
them with a CD with correspondence they have recently received from me, which
I have dated back to as far as 1982 and even some up to 2015. I believe this
to be important, as this is what determined that the doctor told the "truth"
as to why he rewrote my file.

This is not a "court" case but rather disciplinary action would be imposed
if he were found guilty of fraud (ie his license revoked). As such, I am
without benefit of a lawyer (although the doctor has one), and the appeal
will be presented by me in front of a College board panel of three (2
doctors, 1 layperson). If I were to win the appeal, then this would go
before a panel of the doctor's peers, where a lawyer from the College would
take over. So the onus is not on me to "prove" that he committed fraud, but
that the investigation didn't do a thorough investigation; thus the main
reason why I am seeking information about transferring files. If there is
the "possibility" that the doctor was lying about compatibility issues and if
the investigator didn't delve deep enough, hopefully this will provide me
with a strong argument for my appeal.

I thank-you all again for being so responsive to my inquiry. I hope I
didn't bore you with too much details.


  #10  
Old August 27th 09, 04:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MEB[_18_]
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Default Transferring files from Windows 98 pen computer to Windows XPtabl

Jeff Richards wrote:
That 'pen' computer is probably an early tablet. Some manufacturers (eg,
Fujitsu) called their first tablets 'pen'. So I would recommend asking in a
tablet group.

Whether or not there is an issue with the physical transfer of files from
Windows 98 to XP depends only on the hardware involved. There is no issue
at all with the physical transfer of files from Windows 98 to XP as far as
the operating systems are concerned - a file is a file is a file. But if
there was no common compatible transfer medium (eg, Compact Flash Card) or
if there was no way to physically connect the machines together (eg,
connecting to a common network) then the transfer may have been declared too
difficult.

If the reference to the operating systems being incompatible is taken at
face value, that means there was a conversion problem, not a transfer
problem (how could he know there was an incompatibility unless he had
attempted to access the file?). It is very common that people who switch
from W98 to XP find that they can no longer access their files. Questions
about this in the XP newsgroups are common. For instance, they might have
had MS Works in Windows 98, but their XP came with Office. Unless they are
aware of the problem, it appears that their files are inaccessible. The
solution is actually simple, and any half competent PC tech should be able
to answer it immediately.

For the tablets, the problem might be more significant. As the document is
recorded as a graphic, not text, it is possible that conversion is more
difficult. I would be surprised if it was impossible, but it may have been
difficult enough to make it easier to recreate the files (why you would do
that in the same format, having just experienced such an incompatibility
issue, I don't know, but people have done much stranger things than that
with important files). People in the tablet groups would be up to speed
about accessing W98-format handwritten files from XP.

If that's what happened, the rewrite would have been dated the date it was
actually done, and if he wanted it to look like the original then he needed
to go back and change the dates. Again, that probably isn't too difficult to
do, but it appears that instead he chose to rewrite it by hand once again.
(Note that the dates the file system uses are probably not relevant - the
date that prints on the document is almost certainly a date recorded in the
document, not the date that the OS records for the file).

But I think the point is moot. Whether or not he could have done the
transfer from W98 to XP, he didn't. Similarly, whether or not he could have
forged the dates in the rewritten file, he didn't. Instead he created a
handwritten copy from the copy he had on the XP tablet.

It seems to me that there are two possible issues you could consider. One
'hole' you might investigate is whether it is regarded as acceptable to
provide a copy of a copy (both, presumably, not notarised) in response to a
request for the original notes. I know that when I was investigating
documentation that was required to be maintained by law, any claim that the
original was no longer available had to be supported by evidence, or the
copy would not be accepted. For instance, if it was on a PC that was
stolen, where were the police reports, insurance claim etc? In this case,
where is the account from the PC technician who attempted to do the file
transfer/conversion and failed? The problem here is that it seems that the
copy of a copy has already been accepted as adequate.

The other question that might be relevant is where are the original notes
now? Did they get transferred to the XP tablet and if so can they now be
provided for someone else to view and transcribe (or, as is likely possible)
convert to XP format and print? If they didn't get transferred, is the
original W98 'pen' (or its backup media) available for examination? If the
original isn't available then are there any issues regarding proper keeping
of records that need to be investigated?


Uhm, *pen* computer may also be a reference to a *pen drive* storage
media, commonly found and referenced as such, though it may have
actually contained an actual OS as in your pen computer reference.

There may be additional issues such as: *complex/compound* documents
[when is a file not the document, when is a document not the file]
(among other potentials); or factors such as one of the numerous medical
records applications and their handling of documents and data; or
something similar to Omni-Filer, where the finished materials are only
available from within the application as they are stored in multiple
data files [missing one or more? the original is impossible to recover
in its original form], and once accessed again, the document/files times
are changed.

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