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  #1  
Old January 21st 05, 09:48 PM
Moonraker
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Default Blocking cookies

Hi Gary,

The cookie blocking - Now I am on the settings you suggested obviously we
keep getting prompts (which can be a bit of a pain) and we could not log on
to ebay at all, haven't tried ebuyer yet where we buy computer stuff. Do you
adjust the settings as you need to or is there a "cunning plan"

Again thanks for your help Steve.


  #2  
Old January 21st 05, 11:44 PM
Dan
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How do you have your cookie setting? I know this question was to Gary but I
have my cookies to accept first party cookies and session only cookies while
blocking third party cookies. I use the advanced customized setting in IE.

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
: Hi Gary,
:
: The cookie blocking - Now I am on the settings you suggested obviously we
: keep getting prompts (which can be a bit of a pain) and we could not log on
: to ebay at all, haven't tried ebuyer yet where we buy computer stuff. Do
you
: adjust the settings as you need to or is there a "cunning plan"
:
: Again thanks for your help Steve.
:
:


  #3  
Old January 21st 05, 11:45 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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If something like eBay doesn't work without enabling Cookies (as will
happen with many sites, especially sites where purchasing is involved,
or where you want to personalize it or set up an account) then I put a
check mark in the appropriate box and allow the cookie to be set. You
will see no more prompts for that site. Ditto, for sites where you
*know* you never want cookies set, check the box and then refuse it. A
list is kept in the settings that lists domains and whether to Always
Allow or Always Block. Over a relatively short period of time, your
machine will have "learned" when to set cookies and when not to--though,
of course, any new site will prompt if it wants to set a cookie. Just
remember--When in doubt, do not check the "Remember" box before allowing
or blocking cookies. And look at the name of the domain that is trying
to set the cookie. Quite often, it's not from the main page, but rather
from an advertising inset.

Other sites require other permissions, such as for Active-X. These
permissions are based upon Zones, with most sites outside your local
machine or LAN set to the Internet Zone where permissions are relatively
strict. Super-restrictive permissions (block *everything*) are applied
to the Restricted Zone, and some Spyware Blockers use that method in
addition to others. A HOSTS file absolutely blocks a site by not even
allowing access, period.

For a long time, I was in the habit of declaring the more complicated
sites that use a lot of Active-X, for instance, as Trusted Sites.
Trusted Zone settings are more lax. However, it has occurred lately that
even well maintained and trustworthy sites have been shown as capable of
being invaded by hackers, which then can do pretty much anything they
want based upon accessing your machine from a Trusted Zone.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Hi Gary,

The cookie blocking - Now I am on the settings you suggested obviously

we
keep getting prompts (which can be a bit of a pain) and we could not

log on
to ebay at all, haven't tried ebuyer yet where we buy computer stuff.

Do you
adjust the settings as you need to or is there a "cunning plan"

Again thanks for your help Steve.



  #4  
Old January 21st 05, 11:51 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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I suggest "Prompt" for First-Party cookies, Dan. When prompted, there is
a checkbox to have your decision remembered. My habit is to block most
cookies, only allowing them when they're really needed. I usually have
the system remember the choice, since I seldom have to change that
decision, and if I do, there's an easily accessible list in Internet
Settings where I can remove the permanent choice of Always Allow or
Always Block.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Dan" wrote in message
...
How do you have your cookie setting? I know this question was to Gary

but I
have my cookies to accept first party cookies and session only cookies

while
blocking third party cookies. I use the advanced customized setting

in IE.

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
: Hi Gary,
:
: The cookie blocking - Now I am on the settings you suggested

obviously we
: keep getting prompts (which can be a bit of a pain) and we could not

log on
: to ebay at all, haven't tried ebuyer yet where we buy computer

stuff. Do
you
: adjust the settings as you need to or is there a "cunning plan"
:
: Again thanks for your help Steve.
:
:



  #5  
Old January 21st 05, 11:52 PM
Dan
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Gary, do you have any idea how common it is for users to get sites placed
into their trusted zones thus allowing a hacker more access to a user's pc?
I have seen things like this happen before.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: If something like eBay doesn't work without enabling Cookies (as will
: happen with many sites, especially sites where purchasing is involved,
: or where you want to personalize it or set up an account) then I put a
: check mark in the appropriate box and allow the cookie to be set. You
: will see no more prompts for that site. Ditto, for sites where you
: *know* you never want cookies set, check the box and then refuse it. A
: list is kept in the settings that lists domains and whether to Always
: Allow or Always Block. Over a relatively short period of time, your
: machine will have "learned" when to set cookies and when not to--though,
: of course, any new site will prompt if it wants to set a cookie. Just
: remember--When in doubt, do not check the "Remember" box before allowing
: or blocking cookies. And look at the name of the domain that is trying
: to set the cookie. Quite often, it's not from the main page, but rather
: from an advertising inset.
:
: Other sites require other permissions, such as for Active-X. These
: permissions are based upon Zones, with most sites outside your local
: machine or LAN set to the Internet Zone where permissions are relatively
: strict. Super-restrictive permissions (block *everything*) are applied
: to the Restricted Zone, and some Spyware Blockers use that method in
: addition to others. A HOSTS file absolutely blocks a site by not even
: allowing access, period.
:
: For a long time, I was in the habit of declaring the more complicated
: sites that use a lot of Active-X, for instance, as Trusted Sites.
: Trusted Zone settings are more lax. However, it has occurred lately that
: even well maintained and trustworthy sites have been shown as capable of
: being invaded by hackers, which then can do pretty much anything they
: want based upon accessing your machine from a Trusted Zone.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
:
: "Moonraker" wrote in message
: ...
: Hi Gary,
:
: The cookie blocking - Now I am on the settings you suggested obviously
: we
: keep getting prompts (which can be a bit of a pain) and we could not
: log on
: to ebay at all, haven't tried ebuyer yet where we buy computer stuff.
: Do you
: adjust the settings as you need to or is there a "cunning plan"
:
: Again thanks for your help Steve.
:
:
:


  #6  
Old January 21st 05, 11:56 PM
Dan
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That makes a lot of sense and I think I will change my setting to prompt for
first party cookies as well. Thanks for your input, Gary.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: I suggest "Prompt" for First-Party cookies, Dan. When prompted, there is
: a checkbox to have your decision remembered. My habit is to block most
: cookies, only allowing them when they're really needed. I usually have
: the system remember the choice, since I seldom have to change that
: decision, and if I do, there's an easily accessible list in Internet
: Settings where I can remove the permanent choice of Always Allow or
: Always Block.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: How do you have your cookie setting? I know this question was to Gary
: but I
: have my cookies to accept first party cookies and session only cookies
: while
: blocking third party cookies. I use the advanced customized setting
: in IE.
:
: "Moonraker" wrote in message
: ...
: : Hi Gary,
: :
: : The cookie blocking - Now I am on the settings you suggested
: obviously we
: : keep getting prompts (which can be a bit of a pain) and we could not
: log on
: : to ebay at all, haven't tried ebuyer yet where we buy computer
: stuff. Do
: you
: : adjust the settings as you need to or is there a "cunning plan"
: :
: : Again thanks for your help Steve.
: :
: :
:
:
:


  #7  
Old January 21st 05, 11:56 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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Default

It's a possibility, and one that most Spyware/Adware/Trojan scanners
look for. But the problem isn't just sites that shouldn't be Trusted
getting added to the list. The really *nasty* problem is when invaders
hack into a site that really *should* be able to be
trusted--Microsoft.com, or your online banking site. the invaders can
then get into your system via the supposedly trusted site.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Gary, do you have any idea how common it is for users to get sites

placed
into their trusted zones thus allowing a hacker more access to a

user's pc?
I have seen things like this happen before.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: If something like eBay doesn't work without enabling Cookies (as

will
: happen with many sites, especially sites where purchasing is

involved,
: or where you want to personalize it or set up an account) then I put

a
: check mark in the appropriate box and allow the cookie to be set.

You
: will see no more prompts for that site. Ditto, for sites where you
: *know* you never want cookies set, check the box and then refuse it.

A
: list is kept in the settings that lists domains and whether to

Always
: Allow or Always Block. Over a relatively short period of time, your
: machine will have "learned" when to set cookies and when not

to--though,
: of course, any new site will prompt if it wants to set a cookie.

Just
: remember--When in doubt, do not check the "Remember" box before

allowing
: or blocking cookies. And look at the name of the domain that is

trying
: to set the cookie. Quite often, it's not from the main page, but

rather
: from an advertising inset.
:
: Other sites require other permissions, such as for Active-X. These
: permissions are based upon Zones, with most sites outside your local
: machine or LAN set to the Internet Zone where permissions are

relatively
: strict. Super-restrictive permissions (block *everything*) are

applied
: to the Restricted Zone, and some Spyware Blockers use that method in
: addition to others. A HOSTS file absolutely blocks a site by not

even
: allowing access, period.
:
: For a long time, I was in the habit of declaring the more

complicated
: sites that use a lot of Active-X, for instance, as Trusted Sites.
: Trusted Zone settings are more lax. However, it has occurred lately

that
: even well maintained and trustworthy sites have been shown as

capable of
: being invaded by hackers, which then can do pretty much anything

they
: want based upon accessing your machine from a Trusted Zone.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
:
: "Moonraker" wrote in message
: ...
: Hi Gary,
:
: The cookie blocking - Now I am on the settings you suggested

obviously
: we
: keep getting prompts (which can be a bit of a pain) and we could

not
: log on
: to ebay at all, haven't tried ebuyer yet where we buy computer

stuff.
: Do you
: adjust the settings as you need to or is there a "cunning plan"
:
: Again thanks for your help Steve.
:
:
:



  #8  
Old January 22nd 05, 12:02 AM
Dan
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Default

Yeah, that is kinda scary. Here I am in the 21st century and I still do most
of my banking the old fashioned way just to be extra safe. silly me I
guess If Microsoft.com can be hacked then I guess no one is completely safe
on-line. sigh

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: It's a possibility, and one that most Spyware/Adware/Trojan scanners
: look for. But the problem isn't just sites that shouldn't be Trusted
: getting added to the list. The really *nasty* problem is when invaders
: hack into a site that really *should* be able to be
: trusted--Microsoft.com, or your online banking site. the invaders can
: then get into your system via the supposedly trusted site.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Gary, do you have any idea how common it is for users to get sites
: placed
: into their trusted zones thus allowing a hacker more access to a
: user's pc?
: I have seen things like this happen before.
:
: "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
: ...
: : If something like eBay doesn't work without enabling Cookies (as
: will
: : happen with many sites, especially sites where purchasing is
: involved,
: : or where you want to personalize it or set up an account) then I put
: a
: : check mark in the appropriate box and allow the cookie to be set.
: You
: : will see no more prompts for that site. Ditto, for sites where you
: : *know* you never want cookies set, check the box and then refuse it.
: A
: : list is kept in the settings that lists domains and whether to
: Always
: : Allow or Always Block. Over a relatively short period of time, your
: : machine will have "learned" when to set cookies and when not
: to--though,
: : of course, any new site will prompt if it wants to set a cookie.
: Just
: : remember--When in doubt, do not check the "Remember" box before
: allowing
: : or blocking cookies. And look at the name of the domain that is
: trying
: : to set the cookie. Quite often, it's not from the main page, but
: rather
: : from an advertising inset.
: :
: : Other sites require other permissions, such as for Active-X. These
: : permissions are based upon Zones, with most sites outside your local
: : machine or LAN set to the Internet Zone where permissions are
: relatively
: : strict. Super-restrictive permissions (block *everything*) are
: applied
: : to the Restricted Zone, and some Spyware Blockers use that method in
: : addition to others. A HOSTS file absolutely blocks a site by not
: even
: : allowing access, period.
: :
: : For a long time, I was in the habit of declaring the more
: complicated
: : sites that use a lot of Active-X, for instance, as Trusted Sites.
: : Trusted Zone settings are more lax. However, it has occurred lately
: that
: : even well maintained and trustworthy sites have been shown as
: capable of
: : being invaded by hackers, which then can do pretty much anything
: they
: : want based upon accessing your machine from a Trusted Zone.
: :
: : --
: : Gary S. Terhune
: : MS MVP Shell/User
: :
: : "Moonraker" wrote in message
: : ...
: : Hi Gary,
: :
: : The cookie blocking - Now I am on the settings you suggested
: obviously
: : we
: : keep getting prompts (which can be a bit of a pain) and we could
: not
: : log on
: : to ebay at all, haven't tried ebuyer yet where we buy computer
: stuff.
: : Do you
: : adjust the settings as you need to or is there a "cunning plan"
: :
: : Again thanks for your help Steve.
: :
: :
: :
:
:
:


  #9  
Old January 22nd 05, 12:47 AM
Gary S. Terhune
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Default

Note: I did *not* say (or didn't mean to say) that Microsoft.com could
be hacked. Nor do I know of any instance in which they were. Not that it
would surprise me if they could and/or had been, but I only used them as
one example of sites that I have heretofore put into my Trusted Zone for
the sake of convenience. I no longer put any remote sites into my
Trusted Zone.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Yeah, that is kinda scary. Here I am in the 21st century and I still

do most
of my banking the old fashioned way just to be extra safe. silly me

I
guess If Microsoft.com can be hacked then I guess no one is

completely safe
on-line. sigh

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: It's a possibility, and one that most Spyware/Adware/Trojan scanners
: look for. But the problem isn't just sites that shouldn't be Trusted
: getting added to the list. The really *nasty* problem is when

invaders
: hack into a site that really *should* be able to be
: trusted--Microsoft.com, or your online banking site. the invaders

can
: then get into your system via the supposedly trusted site.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Gary, do you have any idea how common it is for users to get sites
: placed
: into their trusted zones thus allowing a hacker more access to a
: user's pc?
: I have seen things like this happen before.
:
: "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
: ...
: : If something like eBay doesn't work without enabling Cookies (as
: will
: : happen with many sites, especially sites where purchasing is
: involved,
: : or where you want to personalize it or set up an account) then I

put
: a
: : check mark in the appropriate box and allow the cookie to be

set.
: You
: : will see no more prompts for that site. Ditto, for sites where

you
: : *know* you never want cookies set, check the box and then refuse

it.
: A
: : list is kept in the settings that lists domains and whether to
: Always
: : Allow or Always Block. Over a relatively short period of time,

your
: : machine will have "learned" when to set cookies and when not
: to--though,
: : of course, any new site will prompt if it wants to set a cookie.
: Just
: : remember--When in doubt, do not check the "Remember" box before
: allowing
: : or blocking cookies. And look at the name of the domain that is
: trying
: : to set the cookie. Quite often, it's not from the main page, but
: rather
: : from an advertising inset.
: :
: : Other sites require other permissions, such as for Active-X.

These
: : permissions are based upon Zones, with most sites outside your

local
: : machine or LAN set to the Internet Zone where permissions are
: relatively
: : strict. Super-restrictive permissions (block *everything*) are
: applied
: : to the Restricted Zone, and some Spyware Blockers use that

method in
: : addition to others. A HOSTS file absolutely blocks a site by not
: even
: : allowing access, period.
: :
: : For a long time, I was in the habit of declaring the more
: complicated
: : sites that use a lot of Active-X, for instance, as Trusted

Sites.
: : Trusted Zone settings are more lax. However, it has occurred

lately
: that
: : even well maintained and trustworthy sites have been shown as
: capable of
: : being invaded by hackers, which then can do pretty much anything
: they
: : want based upon accessing your machine from a Trusted Zone.
: :
: : --
: : Gary S. Terhune
: : MS MVP Shell/User
: :
: : "Moonraker" wrote in message
: : ...
: : Hi Gary,
: :
: : The cookie blocking - Now I am on the settings you suggested
: obviously
: : we
: : keep getting prompts (which can be a bit of a pain) and we

could
: not
: : log on
: : to ebay at all, haven't tried ebuyer yet where we buy computer
: stuff.
: : Do you
: : adjust the settings as you need to or is there a "cunning

plan"
: :
: : Again thanks for your help Steve.
: :
: :
: :
:
:
:



  #10  
Old January 22nd 05, 01:08 AM
Dan
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Actually, I have no sites at all in the trusted zone because I just find it
too risky. Thanks again for all your input, Gary. I guess I just read into
what you wrote too much about Microsoft.com being hacked in the past. I do
not know either if that particular site has ever been successfully hacked
into.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: Note: I did *not* say (or didn't mean to say) that Microsoft.com could
: be hacked. Nor do I know of any instance in which they were. Not that it
: would surprise me if they could and/or had been, but I only used them as
: one example of sites that I have heretofore put into my Trusted Zone for
: the sake of convenience. I no longer put any remote sites into my
: Trusted Zone.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Yeah, that is kinda scary. Here I am in the 21st century and I still
: do most
: of my banking the old fashioned way just to be extra safe. silly me
: I
: guess If Microsoft.com can be hacked then I guess no one is
: completely safe
: on-line. sigh
:
: "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
: ...
: : It's a possibility, and one that most Spyware/Adware/Trojan scanners
: : look for. But the problem isn't just sites that shouldn't be Trusted
: : getting added to the list. The really *nasty* problem is when
: invaders
: : hack into a site that really *should* be able to be
: : trusted--Microsoft.com, or your online banking site. the invaders
: can
: : then get into your system via the supposedly trusted site.
: :
: : --
: : Gary S. Terhune
: : MS MVP Shell/User
: :
: : "Dan" wrote in message
: : ...
: : Gary, do you have any idea how common it is for users to get sites
: : placed
: : into their trusted zones thus allowing a hacker more access to a
: : user's pc?
: : I have seen things like this happen before.
: :
: : "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
: : ...
: : : If something like eBay doesn't work without enabling Cookies (as
: : will
: : : happen with many sites, especially sites where purchasing is
: : involved,
: : : or where you want to personalize it or set up an account) then I
: put
: : a
: : : check mark in the appropriate box and allow the cookie to be
: set.
: : You
: : : will see no more prompts for that site. Ditto, for sites where
: you
: : : *know* you never want cookies set, check the box and then refuse
: it.
: : A
: : : list is kept in the settings that lists domains and whether to
: : Always
: : : Allow or Always Block. Over a relatively short period of time,
: your
: : : machine will have "learned" when to set cookies and when not
: : to--though,
: : : of course, any new site will prompt if it wants to set a cookie.
: : Just
: : : remember--When in doubt, do not check the "Remember" box before
: : allowing
: : : or blocking cookies. And look at the name of the domain that is
: : trying
: : : to set the cookie. Quite often, it's not from the main page, but
: : rather
: : : from an advertising inset.
: : :
: : : Other sites require other permissions, such as for Active-X.
: These
: : : permissions are based upon Zones, with most sites outside your
: local
: : : machine or LAN set to the Internet Zone where permissions are
: : relatively
: : : strict. Super-restrictive permissions (block *everything*) are
: : applied
: : : to the Restricted Zone, and some Spyware Blockers use that
: method in
: : : addition to others. A HOSTS file absolutely blocks a site by not
: : even
: : : allowing access, period.
: : :
: : : For a long time, I was in the habit of declaring the more
: : complicated
: : : sites that use a lot of Active-X, for instance, as Trusted
: Sites.
: : : Trusted Zone settings are more lax. However, it has occurred
: lately
: : that
: : : even well maintained and trustworthy sites have been shown as
: : capable of
: : : being invaded by hackers, which then can do pretty much anything
: : they
: : : want based upon accessing your machine from a Trusted Zone.
: : :
: : : --
: : : Gary S. Terhune
: : : MS MVP Shell/User
: : :
: : : "Moonraker" wrote in message
: : : ...
: : : Hi Gary,
: : :
: : : The cookie blocking - Now I am on the settings you suggested
: : obviously
: : : we
: : : keep getting prompts (which can be a bit of a pain) and we
: could
: : not
: : : log on
: : : to ebay at all, haven't tried ebuyer yet where we buy computer
: : stuff.
: : : Do you
: : : adjust the settings as you need to or is there a "cunning
: plan"
: : :
: : : Again thanks for your help Steve.
: : :
: : :
: : :
: :
: :
: :
:
:
:


 




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