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  #1  
Old July 29th 05, 04:22 PM
ng_reader
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Default Excruciatingly slow (at times)

I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to save a
file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along, ever so
slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
stuff.

It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my hard
disk, too.

My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program called
TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the office's
AR system where she works.

So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
programs and such.

Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the "Explorer"
function within the Operating System that is WinME.

I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it likely
wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this one
function (or would it?).

Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more so
than me, unfortunately.

As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and copyright
that, because by my typing it, I just did)

I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I didn't
recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle processes.
(But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)

TIA

Mr Curious


  #2  
Old July 29th 05, 08:58 PM
Noel Paton
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I suspect that you have driver problems......

Reboot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present

Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.

Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now make a
note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red flags
against them - and another set for any that have green flags.

post back with your results.


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to save
a
file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along, ever
so
slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
stuff.

It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my hard
disk, too.

My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program called
TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the office's
AR system where she works.

So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
programs and such.

Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
"Explorer"
function within the Operating System that is WinME.

I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
likely
wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this
one
function (or would it?).

Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more so
than me, unfortunately.

As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
copyright
that, because by my typing it, I just did)

I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
didn't
recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle processes.
(But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)

TIA

Mr Curious




  #3  
Old July 30th 05, 04:52 PM
ng_reader
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in safe
mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly, however
only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
screen, so had to hit reset button.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I suspect that you have driver problems......

Reboot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present

Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.

Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now make a
note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red

flags
against them - and another set for any that have green flags.

post back with your results.


Under CDROM:
===============
Duplicated:
ATAPI CDROM

Triplicated:
Generic DVD RW 8XMax

Quadruplicated:
TEAC CD-W54E

Under Disk drives:
================
Duplicated:
GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47

GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK

Quadruplicated:
IOMEGA ZIP 100

Duplicated:
WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0

Under Hard Disk Controllers:
=================
Duplicated:
Primary IDE controller (single fifo)

Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)

Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller

Under keyboard:
================
Duplicated:
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard

Under Monitor:
================
Duplicated:
Default Monitor

Under Sound, video and game controllers:
================
Duplicated:
Gameport Joystick

Under System devices:
================
Quadruplicated:
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering

Duplicated:
Direct memory access controller

Numerica data processor

Programable interupt controller

System CMOS/real time clock

System speaker

System timer

Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
===============
Duplicated:

USB Root Hub

VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller

++++++++++++++++

Not having any duplicates nor warnings:

BTW (bluetooth controller)
Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
Floppy Disk Controllers
Modem (ext. sportster attached)
Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
Ports
SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)

+++++++++++++++++

Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!

(Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to

save
a
file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along, ever
so
slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
stuff.

It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my

hard
disk, too.

My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program called
TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the

office's
AR system where she works.

So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
programs and such.

Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
"Explorer"
function within the Operating System that is WinME.

I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
likely
wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this
one
function (or would it?).

Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more

so
than me, unfortunately.

As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
copyright
that, because by my typing it, I just did)

I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
didn't
recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle

processes.
(But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)

TIA

Mr Curious






  #4  
Old July 30th 05, 06:58 PM
Noel Paton
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Oh, boy!!
That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that you've
been having problems!!

Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to Normal
Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.

CD-ROM remove all, then reboot

Disk Drives - remove ALL,
HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
then reboot

System
- Remove ONLY the following:-
System CMOS/real time clock
System speaker
System timer
then reboot


Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and check
for duplicates again

If there's none there, go to
Start |Run
type

SCANREG /FIX

and click OK
Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
then.


HTH, and good luck


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in safe
mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
however
only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
screen, so had to hit reset button.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I suspect that you have driver problems......

Reboot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present

Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.

Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now make
a
note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red

flags
against them - and another set for any that have green flags.

post back with your results.


Under CDROM:
===============
Duplicated:
ATAPI CDROM

Triplicated:
Generic DVD RW 8XMax

Quadruplicated:
TEAC CD-W54E

Under Disk drives:
================
Duplicated:
GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47

GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK

Quadruplicated:
IOMEGA ZIP 100

Duplicated:
WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0

Under Hard Disk Controllers:
=================
Duplicated:
Primary IDE controller (single fifo)

Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)

Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller

Under keyboard:
================
Duplicated:
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard

Under Monitor:
================
Duplicated:
Default Monitor

Under Sound, video and game controllers:
================
Duplicated:
Gameport Joystick

Under System devices:
================
Quadruplicated:
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering

Duplicated:
Direct memory access controller

Numerica data processor

Programable interupt controller

System CMOS/real time clock

System speaker

System timer

Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
===============
Duplicated:

USB Root Hub

VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller

++++++++++++++++

Not having any duplicates nor warnings:

BTW (bluetooth controller)
Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
Floppy Disk Controllers
Modem (ext. sportster attached)
Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
Ports
SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)

+++++++++++++++++

Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!

(Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to

save
a
file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along,
ever
so
slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when I
download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location, or
stuff.

It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my

hard
disk, too.

My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
called
TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the

office's
AR system where she works.

So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with spyware
programs and such.

Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
"Explorer"
function within the Operating System that is WinME.

I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched hard
drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
likely
wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing this
one
function (or would it?).

Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half more

so
than me, unfortunately.

As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your impatient,
anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
copyright
that, because by my typing it, I just did)

I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
didn't
recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle

processes.
(But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)

TIA

Mr Curious








  #5  
Old July 30th 05, 09:07 PM
ng_reader
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Oh, boy!!
That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that

you've
been having problems!!


Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?


Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to Normal
Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.

CD-ROM remove all, then reboot

Disk Drives - remove ALL,
HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
then reboot

System
- Remove ONLY the following:-
System CMOS/real time clock
System speaker
System timer
then reboot


Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and

check
for duplicates again

If there's none there, go to
Start |Run
type

SCANREG /FIX

and click OK
Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
then.


Will post, either way.



HTH, and good luck


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm


Thanks Ted

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in safe
mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
however
only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
screen, so had to hit reset button.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I suspect that you have driver problems......

Reboot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present

Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.

Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now

make
a
note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red

flags
against them - and another set for any that have green flags.

post back with your results.


Under CDROM:
===============
Duplicated:
ATAPI CDROM

Triplicated:
Generic DVD RW 8XMax

Quadruplicated:
TEAC CD-W54E

Under Disk drives:
================
Duplicated:
GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47

GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK

Quadruplicated:
IOMEGA ZIP 100

Duplicated:
WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0

Under Hard Disk Controllers:
=================
Duplicated:
Primary IDE controller (single fifo)

Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)

Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller

Under keyboard:
================
Duplicated:
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard

Under Monitor:
================
Duplicated:
Default Monitor

Under Sound, video and game controllers:
================
Duplicated:
Gameport Joystick

Under System devices:
================
Quadruplicated:
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering

Duplicated:
Direct memory access controller

Numerica data processor

Programable interupt controller

System CMOS/real time clock

System speaker

System timer

Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
===============
Duplicated:

USB Root Hub

VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller

++++++++++++++++

Not having any duplicates nor warnings:

BTW (bluetooth controller)
Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
Floppy Disk Controllers
Modem (ext. sportster attached)
Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
Ports
SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)

+++++++++++++++++

Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!

(Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to

NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying to

save
a
file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along,
ever
so
slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens when

I
download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location,

or
stuff.

It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of my

hard
disk, too.

My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
called
TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the

office's
AR system where she works.

So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with

spyware
programs and such.

Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
"Explorer"
function within the Operating System that is WinME.

I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched

hard
drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
likely
wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing

this
one
function (or would it?).

Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half

more
so
than me, unfortunately.

As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your

impatient,
anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
copyright
that, because by my typing it, I just did)

I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
didn't
recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle

processes.
(But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)

TIA

Mr Curious










  #6  
Old July 30th 05, 10:10 PM
Noel Paton
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in a
worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6 installed
when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of the
Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.

Good Luck

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Oh, boy!!
That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that

you've
been having problems!!


Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?


Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to Normal
Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.

CD-ROM remove all, then reboot

Disk Drives - remove ALL,
HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
then reboot

System
- Remove ONLY the following:-
System CMOS/real time clock
System speaker
System timer
then reboot


Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and

check
for duplicates again

If there's none there, go to
Start |Run
type

SCANREG /FIX

and click OK
Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
then.


Will post, either way.



HTH, and good luck


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm


Thanks Ted

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in
safe
mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
however
only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on splash
screen, so had to hit reset button.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I suspect that you have driver problems......

Reboot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present

Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.

Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now

make
a
note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or red
flags
against them - and another set for any that have green flags.

post back with your results.


Under CDROM:
===============
Duplicated:
ATAPI CDROM

Triplicated:
Generic DVD RW 8XMax

Quadruplicated:
TEAC CD-W54E

Under Disk drives:
================
Duplicated:
GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47

GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK

Quadruplicated:
IOMEGA ZIP 100

Duplicated:
WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0

Under Hard Disk Controllers:
=================
Duplicated:
Primary IDE controller (single fifo)

Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)

Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller

Under keyboard:
================
Duplicated:
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard

Under Monitor:
================
Duplicated:
Default Monitor

Under Sound, video and game controllers:
================
Duplicated:
Gameport Joystick

Under System devices:
================
Quadruplicated:
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering

Duplicated:
Direct memory access controller

Numerica data processor

Programable interupt controller

System CMOS/real time clock

System speaker

System timer

Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
===============
Duplicated:

USB Root Hub

VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller

++++++++++++++++

Not having any duplicates nor warnings:

BTW (bluetooth controller)
Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
Floppy Disk Controllers
Modem (ext. sportster attached)
Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
Ports
SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)

+++++++++++++++++

Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!

(Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to

NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying
to
save
a
file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls along,
ever
so
slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens
when

I
download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a location,

or
stuff.

It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of
my
hard
disk, too.

My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
called
TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
office's
AR system where she works.

So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with

spyware
programs and such.

Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
"Explorer"
function within the Operating System that is WinME.

I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched

hard
drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem it
likely
wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing

this
one
function (or would it?).

Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half

more
so
than me, unfortunately.

As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your

impatient,
anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
copyright
that, because by my typing it, I just did)

I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but I
didn't
recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
processes.
(But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown there)

TIA

Mr Curious












  #7  
Old July 31st 05, 01:37 PM
ng_reader
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Well Noel,

I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.

Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the

ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering

and others under System devices.

But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
group, successfully.

I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted the
few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the USB
root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.

The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed much of
the extra garbage under system devices.

I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think my
updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I need
a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.

So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.

As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to get
to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't like
it.

Sorry.

And thanks for posting back.



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in a
worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6 installed
when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of the
Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.

Good Luck

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Oh, boy!!
That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS over
itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that

you've
been having problems!!


Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?


Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to

Normal
Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.

CD-ROM remove all, then reboot

Disk Drives - remove ALL,
HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
then reboot

System
- Remove ONLY the following:-
System CMOS/real time clock
System speaker
System timer
then reboot


Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again, and

check
for duplicates again

If there's none there, go to
Start |Run
type

SCANREG /FIX

and click OK
Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system behaves
then.


Will post, either way.



HTH, and good luck


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm


Thanks Ted

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to

NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in
safe
mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
however
only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on

splash
screen, so had to hit reset button.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I suspect that you have driver problems......

Reboot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present

Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required drivers.

Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode - Now

make
a
note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or

red
flags
against them - and another set for any that have green flags.

post back with your results.


Under CDROM:
===============
Duplicated:
ATAPI CDROM

Triplicated:
Generic DVD RW 8XMax

Quadruplicated:
TEAC CD-W54E

Under Disk drives:
================
Duplicated:
GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47

GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK

Quadruplicated:
IOMEGA ZIP 100

Duplicated:
WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0

Under Hard Disk Controllers:
=================
Duplicated:
Primary IDE controller (single fifo)

Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)

Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller

Under keyboard:
================
Duplicated:
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard

Under Monitor:
================
Duplicated:
Default Monitor

Under Sound, video and game controllers:
================
Duplicated:
Gameport Joystick

Under System devices:
================
Quadruplicated:
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering

Duplicated:
Direct memory access controller

Numerica data processor

Programable interupt controller

System CMOS/real time clock

System speaker

System timer

Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
===============
Duplicated:

USB Root Hub

VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller

++++++++++++++++

Not having any duplicates nor warnings:

BTW (bluetooth controller)
Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
Floppy Disk Controllers
Modem (ext. sportster attached)
Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
Ports
SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)

+++++++++++++++++

Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!

(Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to

NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am trying
to
save
a
file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls

along,
ever
so
slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens
when

I
download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a

location,
or
stuff.

It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents of
my
hard
disk, too.

My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a program
called
TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents the
office's
AR system where she works.

So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with

spyware
programs and such.

Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using the
"Explorer"
function within the Operating System that is WinME.

I have other problems with the machine as well, such as mismatched

hard
drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the problem

it
likely
wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just performing

this
one
function (or would it?).

Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better half

more
so
than me, unfortunately.

As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your

impatient,
anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try and
copyright
that, because by my typing it, I just did)

I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great, but

I
didn't
recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
processes.
(But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown

there)

TIA

Mr Curious














  #8  
Old July 31st 05, 02:19 PM
ng_reader
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too. That is
problematic.

(It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing anything)

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
Well Noel,

I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.

Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the

ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering

and others under System devices.

But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
group, successfully.

I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted the
few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the

USB
root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.

The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed much

of
the extra garbage under system devices.

I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think my
updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I

need
a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.

So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.

As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to

get
to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't

like
it.

Sorry.

And thanks for posting back.



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in

a
worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6

installed
when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of the
Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.

Good Luck

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to

NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Oh, boy!!
That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS

over
itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all that
you've
been having problems!!

Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?


Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to

Normal
Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.

CD-ROM remove all, then reboot

Disk Drives - remove ALL,
HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
then reboot

System
- Remove ONLY the following:-
System CMOS/real time clock
System speaker
System timer
then reboot


Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again,

and
check
for duplicates again

If there's none there, go to
Start |Run
type

SCANREG /FIX

and click OK
Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system

behaves
then.

Will post, either way.



HTH, and good luck


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm


Thanks Ted

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to

NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while in
safe
mode to type into notepad. following your instructions explicitly,
however
only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on

splash
screen, so had to hit reset button.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I suspect that you have driver problems......

Reboot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present

Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required

drivers.

Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode -

Now
make
a
note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or

red
flags
against them - and another set for any that have green flags.

post back with your results.


Under CDROM:
===============
Duplicated:
ATAPI CDROM

Triplicated:
Generic DVD RW 8XMax

Quadruplicated:
TEAC CD-W54E

Under Disk drives:
================
Duplicated:
GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47

GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK

Quadruplicated:
IOMEGA ZIP 100

Duplicated:
WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0

Under Hard Disk Controllers:
=================
Duplicated:
Primary IDE controller (single fifo)

Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)

Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller

Under keyboard:
================
Duplicated:
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard

Under Monitor:
================
Duplicated:
Default Monitor

Under Sound, video and game controllers:
================
Duplicated:
Gameport Joystick

Under System devices:
================
Quadruplicated:
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering

Duplicated:
Direct memory access controller

Numerica data processor

Programable interupt controller

System CMOS/real time clock

System speaker

System timer

Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
===============
Duplicated:

USB Root Hub

VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller

++++++++++++++++

Not having any duplicates nor warnings:

BTW (bluetooth controller)
Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
Floppy Disk Controllers
Modem (ext. sportster attached)
Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
Ports
SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)

+++++++++++++++++

Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!

(Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages

to
NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but whenever I am

trying
to
save
a
file to a location other than the default, my machine crawls

along,
ever
so
slowly. You know, when I am using that little window that opens
when
I
download from a website, or when I am recording a CD to a

location,
or
stuff.

It also happens when I open up and try and explore the contents

of
my
hard
disk, too.

My wife also seems to see it regularly when she's using a

program
called
TinyTerm to show her an emulated SCO Unix box that represents

the
office's
AR system where she works.

So, I ran my virus software and came up with nothing. Same with
spyware
programs and such.

Now, keep in mind, the machine only seems to crawl when using

the
"Explorer"
function within the Operating System that is WinME.

I have other problems with the machine as well, such as

mismatched
hard
drive to the IDE controller. But, if that were really the

problem
it
likely
wouldn't only occur when the operating system were just

performing
this
one
function (or would it?).

Any pointers would be appreciated, as this affects the better

half
more
so
than me, unfortunately.

As to time, never more than 60 seconds or so, but, when your
impatient,
anything over a second can seem like an eternity. (don't try

and
copyright
that, because by my typing it, I just did)

I've also found a program called Larsen Task Info. It's great,

but
I
didn't
recognize anything running out of the ordinary except for idle
processes.
(But, I am NOT an expert and I do not know all that is shown

there)

TIA

Mr Curious
















  #9  
Old July 31st 05, 08:45 PM
Noel Paton
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

OK - we're some of the way there, now!g
Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it reports
about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing and
go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then install
them.
Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run a
full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they report, and
post back with results.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too. That
is
problematic.

(It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
anything)

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
Well Noel,

I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.

Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the

ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering

and others under System devices.

But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
group, successfully.

I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted the
few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the

USB
root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.

The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed much

of
the extra garbage under system devices.

I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think my
updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I

need
a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.

So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.

As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to

get
to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't

like
it.

Sorry.

And thanks for posting back.



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system in

a
worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6

installed
when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of
the
Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.

Good Luck

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to

NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Oh, boy!!
That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS

over
itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all
that
you've
been having problems!!

Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?


Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to

Normal
Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.

CD-ROM remove all, then reboot

Disk Drives - remove ALL,
HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
then reboot

System
- Remove ONLY the following:-
System CMOS/real time clock
System speaker
System timer
then reboot


Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again,

and
check
for duplicates again

If there's none there, go to
Start |Run
type

SCANREG /FIX

and click OK
Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system

behaves
then.

Will post, either way.



HTH, and good luck


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm


Thanks Ted

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to

NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while
in
safe
mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
explicitly,
however
only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on

splash
screen, so had to hit reset button.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I suspect that you have driver problems......

Reboot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present

Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required

drivers.

Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode -

Now
make
a
note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow or

red
flags
against them - and another set for any that have green flags.

post back with your results.


Under CDROM:
===============
Duplicated:
ATAPI CDROM

Triplicated:
Generic DVD RW 8XMax

Quadruplicated:
TEAC CD-W54E

Under Disk drives:
================
Duplicated:
GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47

GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK

Quadruplicated:
IOMEGA ZIP 100

Duplicated:
WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0

Under Hard Disk Controllers:
=================
Duplicated:
Primary IDE controller (single fifo)

Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)

Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller

Under keyboard:
================
Duplicated:
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard

Under Monitor:
================
Duplicated:
Default Monitor

Under Sound, video and game controllers:
================
Duplicated:
Gameport Joystick

Under System devices:
================
Quadruplicated:
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering

Duplicated:
Direct memory access controller

Numerica data processor

Programable interupt controller

System CMOS/real time clock

System speaker

System timer

Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
===============
Duplicated:

USB Root Hub

VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller

++++++++++++++++

Not having any duplicates nor warnings:

BTW (bluetooth controller)
Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
Floppy Disk Controllers
Modem (ext. sportster attached)
Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet jacks)
Ports
SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)

+++++++++++++++++

Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!

(Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)


  #10  
Old August 9th 05, 07:40 PM
ng_reader
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

That Belarc seems pretty clever. It reminds me Kryloff's Subject Search
Spider software. Not sure what ever happened to that....

Well, I seem to be stuck on KB 891711 as I cannot get my machine to install
it, nor figure out how to find the "file" and grab it myself.

But, that was the only patch missing, all else was there. Ran the other
stuff too, it's better, I guess.

Noel, and I'll post this elsewhere too, in between the time I get my login
and after hitting my login (I use a name but no password) sometimes the
machine works, sometimes not.

Is there an EASY way to tell what drivers and nonesuch are loading at that
time as to isolate the offending piece? I mean in DOS days, hitting escape
would show you what was happening. Nowadays, I don't know what.

Thanks again for your help.

Ted



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
OK - we're some of the way there, now!g
Download and run Belarc Advisor from www.belarc.com - see what it reports
about the state of your Hotfixes - list any reported as broken/missing and
go to the Windows Update Catalog and download them from there, then

install
them.
Once that's done, check with Belarc that everything's OK, and then run a
full system scan of all files with your Anti-virus, and with a
spyware-killer such as Ad-Aware (www.lavasoft.de), see what they report,

and
post back with results.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
Oh yeah, the mouse will also take a tremendous performance hit too.

That
is
problematic.

(It's like the machine is thinking about something, but not doing
anything)

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
Well Noel,

I did as instructed, and the results were confirmed in safe mode.

Curiously, I still have multiple instances of the

ACPI IRQ Holder of PCI IRQ Steering

and others under System devices.

But, I *did* remove the real time clock, speaker, and timer under this
group, successfully.

I did not have WindowsME try and look for ANY devices until I deleted

the
few under System Devices. It then went on to look for devices under the

USB
root hub, and did not delete the duplicates there, either.

The speed issue has not gone away, but I have *successfully* removed

much
of
the extra garbage under system devices.

I want to point at the system slowing down right at Nvidia, as I think

my
updated downloaded driver seemed to muck up the system. Why on earth I

need
a 11mb file for a simple video card, I have no idea.

So, any other suggestions, more than happy to try.

As for IE, it works fine now, but it's rarely used, just for the Mrs to

get
to a secure site that only allows IE as the browser. Otherwise I don't

like
it.

Sorry.

And thanks for posting back.



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I know the horse has bolted, but reinstalling the OS is really a last
resort, rather than a quick fix - many times it can leave the system

in
a
worse state than it was in before the reinstall.
Reinstalling ME over itself has its own perils - if you had IE6

installed
when you reinstalled, then it's very likely that IE no longer works
properly, as well as meaning that there's a good chance that many of
the
Windows Updates were corrupted and need to be reinstalled.
we'll work on that when you've got the Device Manager sorted.

Good Luck

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to

NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Oh, boy!!
That looks as if at some stage, you've done a reinstall of the OS

over
itself to repair a broken registry - and it's no surprise at all
that
you've
been having problems!!

Oh yeah. Like 4 times I reckon?


Boot to Safe Mode - then remove the items in groups, rebooting to
Normal
Mode in between groups, before booting back to Safe Mode.

CD-ROM remove all, then reboot

Disk Drives - remove ALL,
HD Controllers - remove Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller
then reboot

System
- Remove ONLY the following:-
System CMOS/real time clock
System speaker
System timer
then reboot


Once you've got everything done, reboot back into Safe Mode again,

and
check
for duplicates again

If there's none there, go to
Start |Run
type

SCANREG /FIX

and click OK
Windows will reboot - go to Normal Mode, and see how the system

behaves
then.

Will post, either way.



HTH, and good luck


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm


Thanks Ted

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages

to
NG's

"ng_reader" wrote in message
...
My Text of results is included within my reply. Took me a while
in
safe
mode to type into notepad. following your instructions
explicitly,
however
only road bump was under 1st reboot to normal, machine locked on
splash
screen, so had to hit reset button.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I suspect that you have driver problems......

Reboot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
REMOVE all yellow or red-flagged entries
REMOVE all entries in the 'Other Devices' branch - if present

Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall any required

drivers.

Reboot again to Normal Mode - then reboot back into Safe Mode -

Now
make
a
note of ANY device drivers that are duplicated, or have yellow

or
red
flags
against them - and another set for any that have green flags.

post back with your results.


Under CDROM:
===============
Duplicated:
ATAPI CDROM

Triplicated:
Generic DVD RW 8XMax

Quadruplicated:
TEAC CD-W54E

Under Disk drives:
================
Duplicated:
GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE 47

GENERIC NEC FLOPPY DISK

Quadruplicated:
IOMEGA ZIP 100

Duplicated:
WDC WD16 00JB-00EVA0

Under Hard Disk Controllers:
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Duplicated:
Primary IDE controller (single fifo)

Secondary IDE controller (single fifo)

Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller

Under keyboard:
================
Duplicated:
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard

Under Monitor:
================
Duplicated:
Default Monitor

Under Sound, video and game controllers:
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Duplicated:
Gameport Joystick

Under System devices:
================
Quadruplicated:
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering

Duplicated:
Direct memory access controller

Numerica data processor

Programable interupt controller

System CMOS/real time clock

System speaker

System timer

Under Universal Serial Bus controllers:
===============
Duplicated:

USB Root Hub

VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller

++++++++++++++++

Not having any duplicates nor warnings:

BTW (bluetooth controller)
Creative Miscellaneous Devices (installed SB Live)
Display Adapters (AGP 4X installed)
Floppy Disk Controllers
Modem (ext. sportster attached)
Mouse (although in "normal" mode I may get the "!")
Network Adapters (am using a PCI NIC with two [2} Ethernet

jacks)
Ports
SCSI contollers (It's a VOB InstantDrive controller)

+++++++++++++++++

Thanks to anyone if they can help!!!

(Especially Noel Paton, MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)




 




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