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Old August 22nd 04, 03:33 PM
jeff
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Default WIN98SE SE SE SE SE sheeeesh

I've lurked this group for a very short while, and tonight I had a look
around for 30mins.
I notice one thing that is as common as humans on the outside of this rock
that floats in space, and it is the sheer amount of posters asking how to
upgrade 98 to 98se.
Is there some sort of diamond at the end of the rainbow once one updates?
The info given by the "rons" and other gurus is always to put your hand in
your back pocket or go to an auction site and etc etc etc.
Why is this SE so special that you have to BE special in order to get a look
in?
What are these features that turn it into the OS of the future that everyone
is looking for?
Maybe the Group should be renamed: "pointer" as the most answers here point
98 se upgrade wannabes to the above.
Anyhow, I'd still like to know exactly what one gets when upgrading 98 to
98se, so if any would like to answer it may save a lot of 'pointing', if
you get my point.

jeff


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Old August 22nd 04, 04:01 PM
Steven Burn
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The the following should answer your question;

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/thread-5466.php

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Steven Burn
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"jeff" wrote in message
...
I've lurked this group for a very short while, and tonight I had a look
around for 30mins.
I notice one thing that is as common as humans on the outside of this rock
that floats in space, and it is the sheer amount of posters asking how to
upgrade 98 to 98se.
Is there some sort of diamond at the end of the rainbow once one updates?
The info given by the "rons" and other gurus is always to put your hand in
your back pocket or go to an auction site and etc etc etc.
Why is this SE so special that you have to BE special in order to get a

look
in?
What are these features that turn it into the OS of the future that

everyone
is looking for?
Maybe the Group should be renamed: "pointer" as the most answers here

point
98 se upgrade wannabes to the above.
Anyhow, I'd still like to know exactly what one gets when upgrading 98 to
98se, so if any would like to answer it may save a lot of 'pointing', if
you get my point.

jeff




  #3  
Old August 22nd 04, 04:18 PM
Jon_Hildrum
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There is not any diamond at the end of the rainbow once updated. There are
several improvements - Some are listed below. Having used and tried
Microsoft systems like Dos, Win 3.1, win95, win98, win98SE, WinME, and
WinXP, I would tend to say that the most stable and best of them are Win98SE
and WinXP. Presently my preference is WinXP with Win98SE as a second choice.

Win98SE is not special. It is just Microsoft stopped distributing win98SE
quite awhile ago. Thus , it is becoming harder to find. You can find it in
some retail stores (try www.pricewatch.com under operating systems) and the
easiest place for to get a copy may be ebay.

Win98SE comes in several flavors:
1. Full Retail version - The most expensive. Can be used for a clean install
or for an upgrade from previous version of windows.
2. Retail upgrade Version - Can be used as an upgrade from a previous
version of windows (3.1, Win95, win98). This version can be used for a clean
install or an upgrade but requires proof of a qualifying product to install
(win3.1, win95, win98)
3. OEM Version - This is effectively a full version but was designed for a
clean install. In some cases it may be fooled and used as an upgrade.
Ron Badour has some information here that may allow it to be used as an
upgrade http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html
4. The Update Version - This was never sold in retail stores (Best of my
knowledge) but was once available directly from Microsoft. It is available
on Ebay
This version can only be used to upgrade an existing win98 installation
to win98SE. It will not allow a clean install or an upgrade from any
previous version.

Here is a list of updates that was provided by Mark Dormer.
Has been updated for Y2K, USB and various other drivers.

a.. Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM)
a.. Device Bay Controller
a.. DirectX Version 6.1
a.. Microsoft Connection Manager Version 1.2
a.. Microsoft Dial-Up Networking (DUN) Version 1.3
a.. Microsoft Distributed Component Object Model (DCOM98)
a.. Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
a.. Microsoft Internet Explorer 5
a.. Microsoft Data Access Components (MDAC) 2.1
a.. Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA)
a.. Microsoft NetMeeting Version 3.0 (build 4.4.3345)
a.. Microsoft Wake-On-LAN
a.. Microsoft Wallet Version 3.0
a.. Microsoft Windows Driver Model (WDM) Modem
a.. Microsoft Windows Media Player Version 6.2
a.. Microsoft Year 2000 (Y2K) Updates
a.. MSN, The Microsoft Network Version 5.0

Some of these updates may be had by just updating win98 but not all are
available for win98.

Some of the key reasons for upgrading have been

ICS= Internet connection sharing
Improved USB support = Several USB devices wants win98SE
Several devices (newer Ones) may not have drivers for past operating system
or they may not support earlier version . Typical items may be wireless,
Cameras, camcorders and other devices. You will see win98SE as minimum
requirements (win98 and previous versions of windows may not be supported).

Overall for anyone having an older computer which may not run WinXP
(hardware does not meet requirements) win98SE is an excellent choice if the
hardware supports win98SE.

--
Jon Hildrum
DTS MVP

www.hildrum.com
"jeff" wrote in message
...
I've lurked this group for a very short while, and tonight I had a look
around for 30mins.
I notice one thing that is as common as humans on the outside of this rock
that floats in space, and it is the sheer amount of posters asking how to
upgrade 98 to 98se.
Is there some sort of diamond at the end of the rainbow once one updates?
The info given by the "rons" and other gurus is always to put your hand in
your back pocket or go to an auction site and etc etc etc.
Why is this SE so special that you have to BE special in order to get a

look
in?
What are these features that turn it into the OS of the future that

everyone
is looking for?
Maybe the Group should be renamed: "pointer" as the most answers here

point
98 se upgrade wannabes to the above.
Anyhow, I'd still like to know exactly what one gets when upgrading 98 to
98se, so if any would like to answer it may save a lot of 'pointing', if
you get my point.

jeff




  #4  
Old August 22nd 04, 04:32 PM
jeff
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Fair comment jon, thats the type of info I'm looking for.
Not sure if you can answer this, but who knows, you maybe.
Seeing as its sunday night/monday morning here down under(oz), ( and I cant
get any retail prices at the moment) what do you reckon the price of a 98se
upgrade is ?
I gather you are probably in the states but maybe you know the conversion
rate, damned if i do, I dont have enough money in my account to even
bother...(heh heh)

jeff

"Jon_Hildrum" wrote in message
...
There is not any diamond at the end of the rainbow once updated. There are
several improvements - Some are listed below. Having used and tried
Microsoft systems like Dos, Win 3.1, win95, win98, win98SE, WinME, and
WinXP, I would tend to say that the most stable and best of them are

Win98SE
and WinXP. Presently my preference is WinXP with Win98SE as a second

choice.

Win98SE is not special. It is just Microsoft stopped distributing win98SE
quite awhile ago. Thus , it is becoming harder to find. You can find it in
some retail stores (try www.pricewatch.com under operating systems) and

the
easiest place for to get a copy may be ebay.

Win98SE comes in several flavors:
1. Full Retail version - The most expensive. Can be used for a clean

install
or for an upgrade from previous version of windows.
2. Retail upgrade Version - Can be used as an upgrade from a previous
version of windows (3.1, Win95, win98). This version can be used for a

clean
install or an upgrade but requires proof of a qualifying product to

install
(win3.1, win95, win98)
3. OEM Version - This is effectively a full version but was designed for a
clean install. In some cases it may be fooled and used as an upgrade.
Ron Badour has some information here that may allow it to be used as

an
upgrade http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html
4. The Update Version - This was never sold in retail stores (Best of my
knowledge) but was once available directly from Microsoft. It is available
on Ebay
This version can only be used to upgrade an existing win98

installation
to win98SE. It will not allow a clean install or an upgrade from any
previous version.

Here is a list of updates that was provided by Mark Dormer.
Has been updated for Y2K, USB and various other drivers.

a.. Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM)
a.. Device Bay Controller
a.. DirectX Version 6.1
a.. Microsoft Connection Manager Version 1.2
a.. Microsoft Dial-Up Networking (DUN) Version 1.3
a.. Microsoft Distributed Component Object Model (DCOM98)
a.. Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
a.. Microsoft Internet Explorer 5
a.. Microsoft Data Access Components (MDAC) 2.1
a.. Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA)
a.. Microsoft NetMeeting Version 3.0 (build 4.4.3345)
a.. Microsoft Wake-On-LAN
a.. Microsoft Wallet Version 3.0
a.. Microsoft Windows Driver Model (WDM) Modem
a.. Microsoft Windows Media Player Version 6.2
a.. Microsoft Year 2000 (Y2K) Updates
a.. MSN, The Microsoft Network Version 5.0

Some of these updates may be had by just updating win98 but not all are
available for win98.

Some of the key reasons for upgrading have been

ICS= Internet connection sharing
Improved USB support = Several USB devices wants win98SE
Several devices (newer Ones) may not have drivers for past operating

system
or they may not support earlier version . Typical items may be wireless,
Cameras, camcorders and other devices. You will see win98SE as minimum
requirements (win98 and previous versions of windows may not be

supported).

Overall for anyone having an older computer which may not run WinXP
(hardware does not meet requirements) win98SE is an excellent choice if

the
hardware supports win98SE.

--
Jon Hildrum
DTS MVP

www.hildrum.com
"jeff" wrote in message
...
I've lurked this group for a very short while, and tonight I had a look
around for 30mins.
I notice one thing that is as common as humans on the outside of this

rock
that floats in space, and it is the sheer amount of posters asking how

to
upgrade 98 to 98se.
Is there some sort of diamond at the end of the rainbow once one

updates?
The info given by the "rons" and other gurus is always to put your hand

in
your back pocket or go to an auction site and etc etc etc.
Why is this SE so special that you have to BE special in order to get a

look
in?
What are these features that turn it into the OS of the future that

everyone
is looking for?
Maybe the Group should be renamed: "pointer" as the most answers here

point
98 se upgrade wannabes to the above.
Anyhow, I'd still like to know exactly what one gets when upgrading 98

to
98se, so if any would like to answer it may save a lot of 'pointing',

if
you get my point.

jeff






  #5  
Old August 22nd 04, 05:59 PM
Andrew H. Carter
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:02:09 +0930, "jeff"
scribbled some thoughts:

Fair comment jon, thats the type of info I'm looking for.
Not sure if you can answer this, but who knows, you maybe.
Seeing as its sunday night/monday morning here down under(oz), ( and I =

cant
get any retail prices at the moment) what do you reckon the price of a =

98se
upgrade is ?
I gather you are probably in the states but maybe you know the =

conversion
rate, damned if i do, I dont have enough money in my account to even
bother...(heh heh)

jeff


Yahoo has a conversion utility.
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency

http://www.atlastravelweb.com/money.shtml

Live mid-market rates as of 2004.08.22 16:55:11 GMT. =20
1.00 USD =3D 1.38122 AUD
United States Dollars Australia Dollars
=20
1 USD =3D 1.38122 AUD 1 AUD =3D 0.724000 USD =20
=20
--=20
Sincerely, | (=A9) (=A9)
| ------ooo--(_)--ooo------
Andrew H. Carter | /// \\\
d(-_-)b |
  #6  
Old August 22nd 04, 06:30 PM
Jon_Hildrum
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I do not know. It is hard to find the retail upgrade version of win98SE
these days.

Mostly what you see is the OEM version.

I would expect the price to be somewhere around $50-$60 both for the Retail
upgrade version and the OEM version. However, the retail upgrade version
maybe a bit more expensive if you can find it.

--
Jon Hildrum
DTS MVP

www.hildrum.com
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Fair comment jon, thats the type of info I'm looking for.
Not sure if you can answer this, but who knows, you maybe.
Seeing as its sunday night/monday morning here down under(oz), ( and I

cant
get any retail prices at the moment) what do you reckon the price of a

98se
upgrade is ?
I gather you are probably in the states but maybe you know the conversion
rate, damned if i do, I dont have enough money in my account to even
bother...(heh heh)

jeff

"Jon_Hildrum" wrote in message
...
There is not any diamond at the end of the rainbow once updated. There

are
several improvements - Some are listed below. Having used and tried
Microsoft systems like Dos, Win 3.1, win95, win98, win98SE, WinME, and
WinXP, I would tend to say that the most stable and best of them are

Win98SE
and WinXP. Presently my preference is WinXP with Win98SE as a second

choice.

Win98SE is not special. It is just Microsoft stopped distributing

win98SE
quite awhile ago. Thus , it is becoming harder to find. You can find it

in
some retail stores (try www.pricewatch.com under operating systems) and

the
easiest place for to get a copy may be ebay.

Win98SE comes in several flavors:
1. Full Retail version - The most expensive. Can be used for a clean

install
or for an upgrade from previous version of windows.
2. Retail upgrade Version - Can be used as an upgrade from a previous
version of windows (3.1, Win95, win98). This version can be used for a

clean
install or an upgrade but requires proof of a qualifying product to

install
(win3.1, win95, win98)
3. OEM Version - This is effectively a full version but was designed for

a
clean install. In some cases it may be fooled and used as an upgrade.
Ron Badour has some information here that may allow it to be used as

an
upgrade http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html
4. The Update Version - This was never sold in retail stores (Best of my
knowledge) but was once available directly from Microsoft. It is

available
on Ebay
This version can only be used to upgrade an existing win98

installation
to win98SE. It will not allow a clean install or an upgrade from any
previous version.

Here is a list of updates that was provided by Mark Dormer.
Has been updated for Y2K, USB and various other drivers.

a.. Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM)
a.. Device Bay Controller
a.. DirectX Version 6.1
a.. Microsoft Connection Manager Version 1.2
a.. Microsoft Dial-Up Networking (DUN) Version 1.3
a.. Microsoft Distributed Component Object Model (DCOM98)
a.. Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
a.. Microsoft Internet Explorer 5
a.. Microsoft Data Access Components (MDAC) 2.1
a.. Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA)
a.. Microsoft NetMeeting Version 3.0 (build 4.4.3345)
a.. Microsoft Wake-On-LAN
a.. Microsoft Wallet Version 3.0
a.. Microsoft Windows Driver Model (WDM) Modem
a.. Microsoft Windows Media Player Version 6.2
a.. Microsoft Year 2000 (Y2K) Updates
a.. MSN, The Microsoft Network Version 5.0

Some of these updates may be had by just updating win98 but not all are
available for win98.

Some of the key reasons for upgrading have been

ICS= Internet connection sharing
Improved USB support = Several USB devices wants win98SE
Several devices (newer Ones) may not have drivers for past operating

system
or they may not support earlier version . Typical items may be wireless,
Cameras, camcorders and other devices. You will see win98SE as minimum
requirements (win98 and previous versions of windows may not be

supported).

Overall for anyone having an older computer which may not run WinXP
(hardware does not meet requirements) win98SE is an excellent choice if

the
hardware supports win98SE.

--
Jon Hildrum
DTS MVP

www.hildrum.com
"jeff" wrote in message
...
I've lurked this group for a very short while, and tonight I had a

look
around for 30mins.
I notice one thing that is as common as humans on the outside of this

rock
that floats in space, and it is the sheer amount of posters asking how

to
upgrade 98 to 98se.
Is there some sort of diamond at the end of the rainbow once one

updates?
The info given by the "rons" and other gurus is always to put your

hand
in
your back pocket or go to an auction site and etc etc etc.
Why is this SE so special that you have to BE special in order to get

a
look
in?
What are these features that turn it into the OS of the future that

everyone
is looking for?
Maybe the Group should be renamed: "pointer" as the most answers here

point
98 se upgrade wannabes to the above.
Anyhow, I'd still like to know exactly what one gets when upgrading 98

to
98se, so if any would like to answer it may save a lot of 'pointing',

if
you get my point.

jeff








  #7  
Old August 24th 04, 10:22 AM
Jeff Richards
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You won't find a retail outlet withe W98se. You might find an old disk at
the Salvos or Vinnie's or a sunday stall, but usually without a COA or
product key. Search on-line or at E-Bay or similar.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Fair comment jon, thats the type of info I'm looking for.
Not sure if you can answer this, but who knows, you maybe.
Seeing as its sunday night/monday morning here down under(oz), ( and I
cant
get any retail prices at the moment) what do you reckon the price of a
98se
upgrade is ?
I gather you are probably in the states but maybe you know the conversion
rate, damned if i do, I dont have enough money in my account to even
bother...(heh heh)



 




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