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What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat screens
in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys. Also, when creating a "clean environment" in Diagnostic selection for analysis the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are enabled and the System.ini and Win.ini are disabled. Using step-by-step confirmation technique and not enabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as part of the analysis. I recently performed this procedure when referring to kb891711 and the mouse behavior. tia |
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"Jim" wrote in message
... What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat screens in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys. Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are "legacy items" in Win98. Win 95 needed them for certain functions before Win95 loaded. Windows 98 handles all these functions itself (e.g. manages CD drives itself, not needing DOS drivers as Win95 used to.) The simplest trial is to rename these two files something else and reboot Win98. In standard installations, this loads everything Windows requires. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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Never heard of a 98 system that won't boot without Config.sys. but, in any
case, you should be able to boot into Safe Mode and re-enable it should it cause problems. I don't understand your second paragraph. Is there a question there, or are you simply clarifying the forst paragraph?? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Jim" wrote in message ... What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat screens in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys. Also, when creating a "clean environment" in Diagnostic selection for analysis the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are enabled and the System.ini and Win.ini are disabled. Using step-by-step confirmation technique and not enabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as part of the analysis. I recently performed this procedure when referring to kb891711 and the mouse behavior. tia |
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Ok., it works even if the Autoexec and Config are disabled in System
Configuration Utility [Msconfig.exe] and System.ini and Win.ini are enabled. However*, the instructions in winhelp for win98se is to use the Diagnostic selection and Advanced options for troubleshooting in a user created "clean environment". Your article in Grystmill says to disable the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat in order to create a "clean" windows environment. Why does this matter? "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Never heard of a 98 system that won't boot without Config.sys. but, in any case, you should be able to boot into Safe Mode and re-enable it should it cause problems. I don't understand your second paragraph. Is there a question there, or are you simply clarifying the forst paragraph?? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Jim" wrote in message ... What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat screens in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys. Also, when creating a "clean environment" in Diagnostic selection for analysis the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are enabled and the System.ini and Win.ini are disabled. Using step-by-step confirmation technique and not enabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as part of the analysis. I recently performed this procedure when referring to kb891711 and the mouse behavior. tia |
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Noted. [this is where I am stuck on a laptop with a usb 2.0 cdrom] stick
around I am getting to that part. "Don Phillipson" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat screens in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys. Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are "legacy items" in Win98. Win 95 needed them for certain functions before Win95 loaded. Windows 98 handles all these functions itself (e.g. manages CD drives itself, not needing DOS drivers as Win95 used to.) The simplest trial is to rename these two files something else and reboot Win98. In standard installations, this loads everything Windows requires. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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"Jim" wrote in message
... What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat screens in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys. Bottom line. If the PC needs something in the dos environment before starting windows, you don't disable it. One example is expanded memory for some 3rd party applications that need it in windows. Such can be disabled for troubleshooting win98 itself though. 98 has a hardwritten config.sys in that it always loads himem.sys for high memory (extended) operation. Disabling config.sys will not prevent this from happening. Don't know of any example of a PC not booting if config.sys is not present. Dave |
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Because some application may be launched using those files, and you want all
optional applications to be disabled. Note that certain diagnostics that require selective or total disabling of Win.ini or System.ini aren't part of my article's intent. My article only addresses the needs of installation/uninstallation and maintenance operations and to suggest one way to diagnose issues with background applications. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Jim" wrote in message ... Ok., it works even if the Autoexec and Config are disabled in System Configuration Utility [Msconfig.exe] and System.ini and Win.ini are enabled. However*, the instructions in winhelp for win98se is to use the Diagnostic selection and Advanced options for troubleshooting in a user created "clean environment". Your article in Grystmill says to disable the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat in order to create a "clean" windows environment. Why does this matter? "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Never heard of a 98 system that won't boot without Config.sys. but, in any case, you should be able to boot into Safe Mode and re-enable it should it cause problems. I don't understand your second paragraph. Is there a question there, or are you simply clarifying the forst paragraph?? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Jim" wrote in message ... What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat screens in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys. Also, when creating a "clean environment" in Diagnostic selection for analysis the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are enabled and the System.ini and Win.ini are disabled. Using step-by-step confirmation technique and not enabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as part of the analysis. I recently performed this procedure when referring to kb891711 and the mouse behavior. tia |
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Interesting, I have been experiencing that "hardwrite" and wondering about
that winhelp in diagnostic help. This post is spreading out amongst many knowledgeable people... I have a laptop that I want to recover and the EBD dosboot allowed me recover win98 even after woking with reformated drive, and a disk imaging program that would not transfer to the HDD, but did allow an editor that enabled these config.sys and autoexec.bat files to exececute and reconfigure system.ini and win.ini. I also have a win98se cd upgrade disk. The cdrom is a UHCI driven and requires a floppy diskette. It works now but in device manager there are problem devices. Namely IRQ 9 is overburden with devices on PCI bus and residue of a Sound Blaster pro that was used previously. Most folks would just write it off and pitch it but I feel there is a way to ressurect and put to some use this laptop. "Lil' Dave" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat screens in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys. Bottom line. If the PC needs something in the dos environment before starting windows, you don't disable it. One example is expanded memory for some 3rd party applications that need it in windows. Such can be disabled for troubleshooting win98 itself though. 98 has a hardwritten config.sys in that it always loads himem.sys for high memory (extended) operation. Disabling config.sys will not prevent this from happening. Don't know of any example of a PC not booting if config.sys is not present. Dave |
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"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
... Bottom line. If the PC needs something in the dos environment before starting windows, you don't disable it. One example is expanded memory for some 3rd party applications that need it in windows. Can you name any 3d party apps that require that DOS EXPanded memory be enabled in order to run under Win98? (DOS games of the middle 1990s that needed EXP memory seem to run better and more smoothly under Win98.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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I am not a gamer. I don't know. This is a bit like a dosgame though.
The USB 2.0 needs a floppy that is dos and it is UHCI driver with some other component software for Active@ Disk-Image.net program. I had a 6GB and when working with it in another USB HDD box in an attempt to load the disk image back on with an xp laptop, it stopped working for me. Replaced with a 4GB and still no luck with the image software. I used an editor in that program to enable file images of the System Configuration Utility and it worked. I now can work in windows but problem devices and it has data from my brothers previous use, which I want to wipe clean. "Don Phillipson" wrote in message ... "Lil' Dave" wrote in message ... Bottom line. If the PC needs something in the dos environment before starting windows, you don't disable it. One example is expanded memory for some 3rd party applications that need it in windows. Can you name any 3d party apps that require that DOS EXPanded memory be enabled in order to run under Win98? (DOS games of the middle 1990s that needed EXP memory seem to run better and more smoothly under Win98.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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