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  #1  
Old July 20th 07, 05:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jim
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Default Clean Boot?

What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat screens
in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys.

Also, when creating a "clean environment" in Diagnostic selection for
analysis the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are enabled and the System.ini and
Win.ini are disabled. Using step-by-step confirmation technique and not
enabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as part of the analysis.

I recently performed this procedure when referring to kb891711 and the
mouse behavior. tia


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Old July 20th 07, 02:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Don Phillipson
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Default Clean Boot?

"Jim" wrote in message
...

What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat

screens
in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys.


Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are "legacy items" in Win98.
Win 95 needed them for certain functions before Win95
loaded. Windows 98 handles all these functions itself
(e.g. manages CD drives itself, not needing DOS drivers
as Win95 used to.)

The simplest trial is to rename these two files something
else and reboot Win98. In standard installations, this
loads everything Windows requires.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #3  
Old July 20th 07, 02:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune
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Default Clean Boot?

Never heard of a 98 system that won't boot without Config.sys. but, in any
case, you should be able to boot into Safe Mode and re-enable it should it
cause problems. I don't understand your second paragraph. Is there a
question there, or are you simply clarifying the forst paragraph??

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com

"Jim" wrote in message
...
What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat
screens
in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys.

Also, when creating a "clean environment" in Diagnostic selection for
analysis the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are enabled and the System.ini
and
Win.ini are disabled. Using step-by-step confirmation technique and not
enabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as part of the analysis.

I recently performed this procedure when referring to kb891711 and the
mouse behavior. tia




  #4  
Old July 20th 07, 04:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jim
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Posts: 206
Default Clean Boot?

Ok., it works even if the Autoexec and Config are disabled in System
Configuration Utility [Msconfig.exe] and System.ini and Win.ini are enabled.
However*, the instructions in winhelp for win98se is to use the Diagnostic
selection and Advanced options for troubleshooting in a user created "clean
environment". Your article in Grystmill says to disable the Config.sys and
Autoexec.bat in order to create a "clean" windows environment. Why does this
matter?
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Never heard of a 98 system that won't boot without Config.sys. but, in any
case, you should be able to boot into Safe Mode and re-enable it should

it
cause problems. I don't understand your second paragraph. Is there a
question there, or are you simply clarifying the forst paragraph??

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com

"Jim" wrote in message
...
What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat
screens
in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys.

Also, when creating a "clean environment" in Diagnostic selection for
analysis the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are enabled and the System.ini
and
Win.ini are disabled. Using step-by-step confirmation technique and not
enabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as part of the analysis.

I recently performed this procedure when referring to kb891711 and the
mouse behavior. tia






  #5  
Old July 20th 07, 04:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jim
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Default Clean Boot?

Noted. [this is where I am stuck on a laptop with a usb 2.0 cdrom] stick
around I am getting to that part.
"Don Phillipson" wrote in message
...
"Jim" wrote in message
...

What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat

screens
in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys.


Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are "legacy items" in Win98.
Win 95 needed them for certain functions before Win95
loaded. Windows 98 handles all these functions itself
(e.g. manages CD drives itself, not needing DOS drivers
as Win95 used to.)

The simplest trial is to rename these two files something
else and reboot Win98. In standard installations, this
loads everything Windows requires.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)




  #6  
Old July 20th 07, 04:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lil' Dave
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Default Clean Boot?

"Jim" wrote in message
...
What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat
screens
in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys.


Bottom line. If the PC needs something in the dos environment before
starting windows, you don't disable it. One example is expanded memory for
some 3rd party applications that need it in windows. Such can be disabled
for troubleshooting win98 itself though.

98 has a hardwritten config.sys in that it always loads himem.sys for high
memory (extended) operation. Disabling config.sys will not prevent this
from happening.

Don't know of any example of a PC not booting if config.sys is not present.

Dave


  #7  
Old July 20th 07, 04:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Gary S. Terhune
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Default Clean Boot?

Because some application may be launched using those files, and you want all
optional applications to be disabled. Note that certain diagnostics that
require selective or total disabling of Win.ini or System.ini aren't part of
my article's intent. My article only addresses the needs of
installation/uninstallation and maintenance operations and to suggest one
way to diagnose issues with background applications.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Ok., it works even if the Autoexec and Config are disabled in System
Configuration Utility [Msconfig.exe] and System.ini and Win.ini are
enabled.
However*, the instructions in winhelp for win98se is to use the Diagnostic
selection and Advanced options for troubleshooting in a user created
"clean
environment". Your article in Grystmill says to disable the Config.sys and
Autoexec.bat in order to create a "clean" windows environment. Why does
this
matter?
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Never heard of a 98 system that won't boot without Config.sys. but, in
any
case, you should be able to boot into Safe Mode and re-enable it should

it
cause problems. I don't understand your second paragraph. Is there a
question there, or are you simply clarifying the forst paragraph??

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com

"Jim" wrote in message
...
What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat
screens
in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys.

Also, when creating a "clean environment" in Diagnostic selection for
analysis the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat are enabled and the System.ini
and
Win.ini are disabled. Using step-by-step confirmation technique and not
enabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat as part of the analysis.

I recently performed this procedure when referring to kb891711 and the
mouse behavior. tia








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Old July 20th 07, 06:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jim
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Posts: 206
Default Clean Boot?

Interesting, I have been experiencing that "hardwrite" and wondering about
that winhelp in diagnostic help.

This post is spreading out amongst many knowledgeable people... I have a
laptop that I want to recover and the EBD dosboot allowed me recover win98
even after woking with reformated drive, and a disk imaging program that
would not transfer to the HDD, but did allow an editor that enabled these
config.sys and autoexec.bat files to exececute and reconfigure system.ini
and win.ini. I also have a win98se cd upgrade disk. The cdrom is a UHCI
driven and requires a floppy diskette. It works now but in device manager
there are problem devices. Namely IRQ 9 is overburden with devices on PCI
bus and residue of a Sound Blaster pro that was used previously. Most folks
would just write it off and pitch it but I feel there is a way to ressurect
and put to some use this laptop.
"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
"Jim" wrote in message
...
What is the importance of disabling the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat
screens
in msconfig.exe? Some computers will not start without Config.sys.


Bottom line. If the PC needs something in the dos environment before
starting windows, you don't disable it. One example is expanded memory

for
some 3rd party applications that need it in windows. Such can be disabled
for troubleshooting win98 itself though.

98 has a hardwritten config.sys in that it always loads himem.sys for high
memory (extended) operation. Disabling config.sys will not prevent this
from happening.

Don't know of any example of a PC not booting if config.sys is not

present.

Dave




  #9  
Old July 20th 07, 06:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Don Phillipson
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 524
Default Clean Boot?

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...

Bottom line. If the PC needs something in the dos environment before
starting windows, you don't disable it. One example is expanded memory

for
some 3rd party applications that need it in windows.


Can you name any 3d party apps that require that DOS EXPanded
memory be enabled in order to run under Win98? (DOS games
of the middle 1990s that needed EXP memory seem to run
better and more smoothly under Win98.)

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #10  
Old July 20th 07, 10:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jim
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Posts: 206
Default Clean Boot?

I am not a gamer. I don't know. This is a bit like a dosgame though.

The USB 2.0 needs a floppy that is dos and it is UHCI driver with some other
component software for Active@ Disk-Image.net program. I had a 6GB and when
working with it in another USB HDD box in an attempt to load the disk image
back on with an xp laptop, it stopped working for me. Replaced with a 4GB
and still no luck with the image software. I used an editor in that program
to enable file images of the System Configuration Utility and it worked. I
now can work in windows but problem devices and it has data from my brothers
previous use, which I want to wipe clean.
"Don Phillipson" wrote in message
...
"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...

Bottom line. If the PC needs something in the dos environment before
starting windows, you don't disable it. One example is expanded memory

for
some 3rd party applications that need it in windows.


Can you name any 3d party apps that require that DOS EXPanded
memory be enabled in order to run under Win98? (DOS games
of the middle 1990s that needed EXP memory seem to run
better and more smoothly under Win98.)

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)




 




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