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  #1  
Old September 16th 07, 05:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Frog
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Default CD Player Questions

I presently have two CD drives installed on my computer - Plextor
CD-R PX-W1210A and Samsung CD-Rom SCR-3230. I also have an IOMEGA ZIP
100 drive on this system in addition to a floppy A drive and the hard
drive. Here is the layout for these devices as noted in the BIOS:

Primary Master - [ST330621A]

Primary Slave - IOMEGA ZIP 100

Secondary Master - PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A

Secondary Slave - SAMSUNG SCR-3230

FYI, my mother board is ASUS A7V133.

Now for my questions:

---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this
order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to
normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

---Only one (PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A) of my two CD players automatically
starts when a CD is placed in the system. Is there some way to make
both CD players automatically start when a CD placed in the system?

---I presently have an external hard drive connected to my system via
USB port. On this external hard drive lives my system backup. Will my
system look for this external hard drive (following a complete hard
drive formatting)should I have to resort to reinstalling this backup.
If not, what steps do I take to make it accessible to a newly formatted
hard drive?

(((NOTE: I recently had a computer melt-down. This problem caused me to
format the 120GB Hard Drive that was originally installed in my
system. After several attempts to resolve this problem, I finally
reverted to my old 30GB Hard Drive. It, too, went through a melt-down
that caused me to format it also and install a backup made May 2006 on
this system. Many have helped me get this hard drive up and working
again. Yes, I have a few cleanup tasks to complete before this drive is
back to the way I would like it to be. During this process, I lost over
a year of genealogy data and family pictures. Thus, I am contemplating
temporarily removing the 30GB drive from my system and reinstalling the
formatted 120GB drive back in the system. Then, I would like to make an
attempt to read the backup data from my external 120GB hard drive back
on the internal 120GB hard drive--hoping to recover lost data files.
(((The backup on the external hard drive was made using Acronis
software. I have learned, subsequent to all of my computer problems
starting, that one of the six floppy disks needed to reinstall the
backup files from the external hard drive is faulty. Thus, I will need
to make a new set of floppies before undertaking this task---that is, if
this undertaking is possible from a USB connected hard drive.))) That
is my reason for asking about the USB connected external hard drive above.

Thanks for any help sent my way on any of the above. Without the help
of individuals on this group, I would be in deep trouble at this point.
Thanks again and again for helping me and all of us that get stumped
by our computers and their problems.

Frog




  #2  
Old September 16th 07, 06:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Don Phillipson
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Default CD Player Questions

"Frog" wrote in message
...

---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this
order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to
normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?


1. Boot drive source order is governed by BIOS settings.
Interrupt the reboot process with the right key (usually DELete)
and find your way to the right submenu of the BIOS menu.
Mine is under / Boot and is named Boot Devices Priority.
BIOS menus in ASUS MBs usually rotate a series of
devices (e.g. floppy, HDD, CD) when you key + (plus) to
change an item. But (undocumented feature) the DELete
key usually removes from the series a device from which
you plan never to boot.

2. You will need also to configure your HDD C:
[ST330621A] as third in the boot drive sequence, after
the floppy and CD. This way you get a normal boot
from the HDD when those removable drives are empty.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #3  
Old September 16th 07, 07:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
dadiOH
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Default CD Player Questions

Frog wrote:
I presently have two CD drives installed on my computer -
Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A and Samsung CD-Rom SCR-3230. I also have an
IOMEGA ZIP 100 drive on this system in addition to a floppy A drive
and the hard drive. Here is the layout for these devices as noted
in the BIOS:

Primary Master - [ST330621A]

Primary Slave - IOMEGA ZIP 100

Secondary Master - PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A

Secondary Slave - SAMSUNG SCR-3230

FYI, my mother board is ASUS A7V133.

Now for my questions:

---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in
this order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then
continue to normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?


By setting the desired boot order in BIOS. Pointless to have the CD
as a boot device unless you plan to put bootable discs in it.
_____________

---Only one (PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A) of my two CD players
automatically starts when a CD is placed in the system. Is there
some way to make
both CD players automatically start when a CD placed in the system?


Device manager
Properties of the drive
Tick "auto-notification"

--

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  #4  
Old September 16th 07, 11:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Frog
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Posts: 91
Default CD Player Questions

Don Phillipson wrote:
"Frog" wrote in message
...

---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this
order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to
normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?


1. Boot drive source order is governed by BIOS settings.
Interrupt the reboot process with the right key (usually DELete)
and find your way to the right submenu of the BIOS menu.
Mine is under / Boot and is named Boot Devices Priority.
BIOS menus in ASUS MBs usually rotate a series of
devices (e.g. floppy, HDD, CD) when you key + (plus) to
change an item. But (undocumented feature) the DELete
key usually removes from the series a device from which
you plan never to boot.

2. You will need also to configure your HDD C:
[ST330621A] as third in the boot drive sequence, after
the floppy and CD. This way you get a normal boot
from the HDD when those removable drives are empty.

Thanks for helping me Don.

I did as you suggested, and the results were not what I expected. Here
is a summary of events:

I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]
2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]
3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [ST330621A]
4. Other Boot Device - [INT 18 Device (Netw

I then clicked F10 + YES to save my changes and to restart my computer.
The computer restarted with no difficulties. I again visited the
Device Manager to see if all was well there--it was not. Here is what I
found:

---The SAMSUNG SCR-3230 CD player was totally gone.
---The PLEXTOR CD-R PX-1210A was there with a red X on it. The Plextor
"Device status" was as follows: "This device is not working properly
because a device it depends on, Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo),
has been dramatically disabled. To view the properties for Secondary
IDE Controller (dual fifo), click Properties."
---The Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) had a yellow ! mark on it.
The "Device status" for this entry follows: "This device is either not
present, not working properly, or does not have all the drivers
installed."

I next made a visit to Safe Mode/Device Manager. Both CD players were
listed with no red X noted, and the Secondary IDE Controller did not
have the yellow ! mark on it. The message under the CD players stated:
Status is not available when Windows is running in Safe Mode.

Lastly, I opened the BIOS and put the "BOOT" sequence back as it was
before. A visit to the Device Manager in Normal and Safe Mode found
both CD players listed, and there were no indications of any problems
(no red X or yellow ! mark).

Now, I am back to where I started...the boot sequence does not include
my CD player.

Help!

Frog
  #5  
Old September 16th 07, 11:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Frog
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Default CD Player Questions

Thanks for the help dadiOH. See comments interspersed in message below.

dadiOH wrote:
Frog wrote:
I presently have two CD drives installed on my computer -
Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A and Samsung CD-Rom SCR-3230. I also have an
IOMEGA ZIP 100 drive on this system in addition to a floppy A drive
and the hard drive. Here is the layout for these devices as noted
in the BIOS:

Primary Master - [ST330621A]

Primary Slave - IOMEGA ZIP 100

Secondary Master - PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A

Secondary Slave - SAMSUNG SCR-3230

FYI, my mother board is ASUS A7V133.

Now for my questions:

---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in
this order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then
continue to normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?


By setting the desired boot order in BIOS. Pointless to have the CD
as a boot device unless you plan to put bootable discs in it.


I tried making BIOS changes, that you and Don suggested. Please see the
results of these BIOS changes included in my reply to Don Phillipson
(this thread).
_____________

---Only one (PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A) of my two CD players
automatically starts when a CD is placed in the system. Is there
some way to make
both CD players automatically start when a CD placed in the system?


Device manager
Properties of the drive
Tick "auto-notification"


I did as you suggested, and both CD players already had a Tick in
auto-notification. I don't understand why one works and the other does
not.

Help!

Frog



  #6  
Old September 17th 07, 12:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Don Phillipson
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Posts: 524
Default CD Player Questions

"Frog" wrote in message
...
Don Phillipson wrote:
"Frog" wrote in message
...

---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this
order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to
normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?


1. Boot drive source order is governed by BIOS settings.
Interrupt the reboot process with the right key (usually DELete)
and find your way to the right submenu of the BIOS menu.
Mine is under / Boot and is named Boot Devices Priority.
BIOS menus in ASUS MBs usually rotate a series of
devices (e.g. floppy, HDD, CD) when you key + (plus) to
change an item. But (undocumented feature) the DELete
key usually removes from the series a device from which
you plan never to boot.

2. You will need also to configure your HDD C:
[ST330621A] as third in the boot drive sequence, after
the floppy and CD. This way you get a normal boot
from the HDD when those removable drives are empty.

Thanks for helping me Don.

I did as you suggested, and the results were not what I expected. Here
is a summary of events:

I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]
2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]
3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [ST330621A]
4. Other Boot Device - [INT 18 Device (Netw

I then clicked F10 + YES to save my changes and to restart my computer.
The computer restarted with no difficulties. I again visited the
Device Manager to see if all was well there--it was not. Here is what I
found:

---The SAMSUNG SCR-3230 CD player was totally gone.
---The PLEXTOR CD-R PX-1210A was there with a red X on it. The Plextor
"Device status" was as follows: "This device is not working properly
because a device it depends on, Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo),
has been dramatically disabled. To view the properties for Secondary
IDE Controller (dual fifo), click Properties."
---The Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) had a yellow ! mark on it.
The "Device status" for this entry follows: "This device is either not
present, not working properly, or does not have all the drivers
installed."

I next made a visit to Safe Mode/Device Manager. Both CD players were
listed with no red X noted, and the Secondary IDE Controller did not
have the yellow ! mark on it. The message under the CD players stated:
Status is not available when Windows is running in Safe Mode.

Lastly, I opened the BIOS and put the "BOOT" sequence back as it was
before. A visit to the Device Manager in Normal and Safe Mode found
both CD players listed, and there were no indications of any problems
(no red X or yellow ! mark).

Now, I am back to where I started...the boot sequence does not include
my CD player.


When you boot OK with any hardware device missing,
the first cure is to remove that device from / Control Panel / System
and reboot, with the intention that Win98 will find the device as
"New Hardware" and reinstal drivers if needed (not usual for
CD RO drives.)

Your message seems to say IDE#2 malfunctions when the
boot drive sequence includes a CD drive on IDE#2 but IDE#2
behaves OK when boot drive sequence excludes CD drives.
I cannot think why. Your other followup says both drives
are set to Autoload but the Samsung RO drive does not do
this. Perhaps this drive is defective.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)





  #7  
Old September 17th 07, 02:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Brian A.
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Default CD Player Questions

"Frog" wrote in message
...
Don Phillipson wrote:
"Frog" wrote in message
...

---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this
order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to
normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?


1. Boot drive source order is governed by BIOS settings.
Interrupt the reboot process with the right key (usually DELete)
and find your way to the right submenu of the BIOS menu.
Mine is under / Boot and is named Boot Devices Priority.
BIOS menus in ASUS MBs usually rotate a series of
devices (e.g. floppy, HDD, CD) when you key + (plus) to
change an item. But (undocumented feature) the DELete
key usually removes from the series a device from which
you plan never to boot.

2. You will need also to configure your HDD C:
[ST330621A] as third in the boot drive sequence, after
the floppy and CD. This way you get a normal boot
from the HDD when those removable drives are empty.

Thanks for helping me Don.

I did as you suggested, and the results were not what I expected. Here is a
summary of events:

I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]
2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]
3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [ST330621A]
4. Other Boot Device - [INT 18 Device (Netw


Number 4's lost its tail. From what's present it appears to be a network device.


I then clicked F10 + YES to save my changes and to restart my computer. The
computer restarted with no difficulties. I again visited the Device Manager to see
if all was well there--it was not. Here is what I found:

---The SAMSUNG SCR-3230 CD player was totally gone.
---The PLEXTOR CD-R PX-1210A was there with a red X on it. The Plextor "Device
status" was as follows: "This device is not working properly because a device it
depends on, Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo), has been dramatically disabled.
To view the properties for Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo), click Properties."
---The Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) had a yellow ! mark on it. The "Device
status" for this entry follows: "This device is either not present, not working
properly, or does not have all the drivers installed."


Drivers are either not installed or corrupt. You need to uninstall both of all
controllers and drives listed in Safe Mode DM.


I next made a visit to Safe Mode/Device Manager. Both CD players were listed with
no red X noted, and the Secondary IDE Controller did not have the yellow ! mark on
it. The message under the CD players stated: Status is not available when Windows
is running in Safe Mode.


Since Safe Mode is basically used for tshooting it only loads the minimal drivers
needed to run. Most of your hardware will not have the drivers loaded, the exception
being only the essentials.


Lastly, I opened the BIOS and put the "BOOT" sequence back as it was before. A
visit to the Device Manager in Normal and Safe Mode found both CD players listed,
and there were no indications of any problems (no red X or yellow ! mark).


Appears to me that the registry may be corrupt and confused, at least in the
hardware enum on which drive is which and which drive is where. I can suggest what
may be deemed as a dramatic step, yet for now let's see what others have to offer.


Now, I am back to where I started...the boot sequence does not include my CD
player.


It should, but then again it doesn't really matter. If you want to use either of
the CD drives for what I suspect is to run a recovery/restore disk, startup the
machine with a DOS boot disk that has CD support.
Another thing to try would be to disconnect any/all devices you don't need when
booting with a recovery/restore disk. One thing I don't understand is your mention
of Six Floppies used for ATI recovery. Why the floppies and not a Recovery CD? An
ATI Recovery Manager CD has the actual application(s) install.exe files on it. If
you create the CD with more than one application included, it boots to a selection
window where you choose which app to install/use. The window looks the same as when
you first run the ATI installation in Windows.



--

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Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375


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Old September 18th 07, 01:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Frog
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Brian,
We meet yet again about another one of my computer problems.
Thank you very much for coming to my aid. I attempted to to do the
steps you suggested, but had no success in solving my problem. I will
enter comments in message below.

Brian A. wrote:
"Frog" wrote in message
...
Don Phillipson wrote:
"Frog" wrote in message
...

---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this
order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to
normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

1. Boot drive source order is governed by BIOS settings.
Interrupt the reboot process with the right key (usually DELete)
and find your way to the right submenu of the BIOS menu.
Mine is under / Boot and is named Boot Devices Priority.
BIOS menus in ASUS MBs usually rotate a series of
devices (e.g. floppy, HDD, CD) when you key + (plus) to
change an item. But (undocumented feature) the DELete
key usually removes from the series a device from which
you plan never to boot.

2. You will need also to configure your HDD C:
[ST330621A] as third in the boot drive sequence, after
the floppy and CD. This way you get a normal boot
from the HDD when those removable drives are empty.

Thanks for helping me Don.

I did as you suggested, and the results were not what I expected.
Here is a summary of events:

I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]
2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]
3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [ST330621A]
4. Other Boot Device - [INT 18 Device (Netw


Number 4's lost its tail. From what's present it appears to be a
network device.


I checked this one out while in the BIOS today. It should read "INT18
Device (Network)". The ork) did not show in the BIOS window, but a
small window showed up when I highlighted this entry...Disabled Onboard
ATA100 BOOT Device/SCSI INT18 Device (Network).


I then clicked F10 + YES to save my changes and to restart my
computer. The computer restarted with no difficulties. I again
visited the Device Manager to see if all was well there--it was not.
Here is what I found:

---The SAMSUNG SCR-3230 CD player was totally gone.
---The PLEXTOR CD-R PX-1210A was there with a red X on it. The
Plextor "Device status" was as follows: "This device is not working
properly because a device it depends on, Secondary IDE controller
(dual fifo), has been dramatically disabled. To view the properties
for Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo), click Properties."
---The Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) had a yellow ! mark on it.
The "Device status" for this entry follows: "This device is either not
present, not working properly, or does not have all the drivers
installed."


Drivers are either not installed or corrupt. You need to uninstall
both of all controllers and drives listed in Safe Mode DM.


Here is where the expected did not happen. I entered Safe Mode Device
Manager Hard disk controllers and attempted to Remove the Primary IDE
Controller (dual fifo) entry. That resulted in my seeing the following
window:

Confirm Device Removal
Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
This device is part of a multi-function device, and cannot be removed
independently.
To remove this device, select and remove the multi-function parent.
This will also remove any other devices that are part of this
multi-function device.
Parent device:
No description available.

I then attempted to remove the Primary IDE controller (dual fifo) with
the same results as for the Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo).

Next, I returned to normal mode Device Manager Hard disk
controllers, and learned that the device for both the Primary and
Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) were one and the same...VIA Bus
Master PCI IDE Controller.

Back to Safe Mode Device Manager Hard disk controllers, and I
removed VIA Bus Master PCIIDE Controller. That removal worked for that
entry. I was not permitted, however, to remove anything associated with
the Primary or the Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) entries...same
message as observed earlier.

While in Safe Mode, I removed both CD players from Device Manager CDROM.

I next made a visit to the BIOS, where I changed the Boot order...A
Drive, Plextor CD, and the Hard Drive. I then restarted my computer.

It indicated on start up that it was loading drivers for the VIA Bus
Master PCIIDE Controller, and then it restarted again.

Once in to normal Windows, I again made a visit to Device Manager. Both
of the CD devices were missing, and I had a yellow ! mark next to the
Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) entry.

Back to the BIOS and changed the Boot order to A Drive, Hard Drive,
Plextor CD.

I restarted in normal Windows again, and found both CD devices and no !
mark in the Device Manager.

I think I am now back to where I was before starting these steps.




I next made a visit to Safe Mode/Device Manager. Both CD players were
listed with no red X noted, and the Secondary IDE Controller did not
have the yellow ! mark on it. The message under the CD players
stated: Status is not available when Windows is running in Safe Mode.


Since Safe Mode is basically used for tshooting it only loads the
minimal drivers needed to run. Most of your hardware will not have the
drivers loaded, the exception being only the essentials.


Thanks for this information. I observed this today while in Safe Mode.
Thanks.


Lastly, I opened the BIOS and put the "BOOT" sequence back as it was
before. A visit to the Device Manager in Normal and Safe Mode found
both CD players listed, and there were no indications of any problems
(no red X or yellow ! mark).


Appears to me that the registry may be corrupt and confused, at least
in the hardware enum on which drive is which and which drive is where.



Although I am not a computer technician by any stretch, I observed some
things while this computer was in the shop that make me think you may be
correct in this assessment. Some time back, I had to take this computer
in to have a fan replaced. This process caused the technician to remove
the motherboard in order to get to the back of the board. I know he
removed all of the ribbon wires from Primary and Secondary connections
to the motherboard. I know that he was having difficulty in removing
the board, causing him to remove the ribbon wire entirely. I, however,
did not observe any problems after having this work done. The most
recent time I was in was just prior to my big melt-down. The technician
then told me that the SAMSUNG CD Device was not working properly. He
then attempted to use a new replacement CD device to see if it would
work then...it did not. He then removed/replaced the ribbon wiring from
the computer and replaced it with new wiring...that made no difference.
He then left the SAMSUNG CD out of the system. When I returned home
from this visit, the computer immediately started its meltdown. Once I
was able to connect to the Internet again, I decided to see if the
SAMSUNG CD device would work again...it did. I attempted to play a CD
in this device last night, however, and (unlike how it was immediately
after I installed it in the system) it did everything but play a sound.
I did not unplug anything, when I reinstalled the SAMSUNG CD
device...I simply found a plug on the ribbon wiring that was not in use.
That is what makes me think your thoughts about registry or wiring
problems may be a part of my problem...this from a person who knows
little about computers but is learning quickly.

I can suggest what may be deemed as a dramatic step, yet for now let's
see what others have to offer.


Now, I am back to where I started...the boot sequence does not include
my CD player.


It should, but then again it doesn't really matter. If you want to use
either of the CD drives for what I suspect is to run a recovery/restore
disk, startup the machine with a DOS boot disk that has CD support.


This is what I did, and it was a follow on step that didn't work. I
used a floppy to access my hard drive (the 120GB hard drive that is in
the drawer at the moment). I then formatted the 120GB hard drive.
After this, I used a series of floppy disks on a restart of my computer
that were made the backup...a backup that was made on another 120GB
external USB connected hard drive. I was feeding these six disks into
the A Drive, and all seemed to be going well. Well, disk 5 was found to
have an error on it that would not let me proceed further. Thus, I now
anticipate loading the software back on my system (the working 30GB hard
drive presently in my system) that was used to make the original
backup...thus, permitting me to make six new floppies...hoping that they
will work properly. If that works, I will eventually remove the 30GB
hard drive and reinstall the 120GB hard drive. I will again format the
120GB internal hard drive using the Windows generated startup floppy. I
next will restart my computer with the first of the six backup floppies
installed in the A drive and the 120GB external USB connected hard drive
plugged into the system. If all goes according to plan, I would then
read the backup from the 120GB external hard drive back on to the 120GB
internal hard drive. I know this all sounds confusing, but I hope you
can follow my plan...as I am not sure that this plan is not flawed.
That is, I'm not sure that a backup on an external USB hard drive can be
reinstalled on a newly formatted internal hard drive. Will it find the
USB connected hard drive is the question. The bottom line, I really
would like to recover my genealogy files and photos.

Another thing to try would be to disconnect any/all devices you don't
need when booting with a recovery/restore disk. One thing I don't
understand is your mention of Six Floppies used for ATI recovery. Why
the floppies and not a Recovery CD? An ATI Recovery Manager CD has the
actual application(s) install.exe files on it. If you create the CD
with more than one application included, it boots to a selection window
where you choose which app to install/use. The window looks the same as
when you first run the ATI installation in Windows.


In view of above, are you telling me that I should start with the
Windows startup floppy and then direct the system to the six floppies I
identified above? Will I be able to direct it to the external hard
drive for the backup data? I'm not quite sure I understand the
procedure you are outlining.



Thanks for your help and guidance...it is always appreciated.

Frog



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Old September 18th 07, 07:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
... et al.
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Frog wrote:

Brian A. wrote:

"Frog" wrote:

"Frog" wrote:

---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this
order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to
normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?


Well, that is how you have it listed in the BIOS-selection shown
below, but you said that that showed problems in the Device
Manager. Look below to see if selecting the Samsung Optical Disk
Drive (ODD) will make a difference. You originally also asked the
following. "Is there some way to make both CD players
automatically start when a CD placed in the system?" Per below,
it doesn't seem so.

[snip]


Here is a summary of events:

I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]
2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]
3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [ST330621A]
4. Other Boot Device - [INT 18 Device (Netw


Number 4's lost its tail. From what's present it appears to be a
network device.


I checked this one out while in the BIOS today. It should read "INT18
Device (Network)". The ork) did not show in the BIOS window, but a
small window showed up when I highlighted this entry...Disabled Onboard
ATA100 BOOT Device/SCSI INT18 Device (Network).


So do the same for the 'ATAPI CD-ROM' entry and you will ( most
probably ) be able to choose one or the other of the CD-Drives as
being the bootable one. The same for the 'IDE Hard Drive' entry
if you have more then one HDD. Only one of each 'type' can be
selected as bootable at the same time.

My A7V333 have two ODD's on the second IDE channel ( master and
slave ) and can use either one selected to boot from with all IDE
devices present and working in the Device Manager, so the OS on
your A7V133 seems to have 'issues'.

( And first of all, check and consider selecting 'Type: [CD-ROM]'
for the ODD's on the BIOS Setup's main page. )


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  #10  
Old September 19th 07, 03:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Frog
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Default CD Player Questions

Thanks for responding to my call for help.



1. I have done several things since receiving your message, that I would
like to recap for you.

First, I got inside of the box to confirm where the ribbon wires go
from the motherboard and to what device. Here are the results of that
survey:

The plug closest to the edge of the motherboard (titled FLOPPY on
the drawing in my book) is connected to the floppy drive (A Drive).

The Secondary IDE plug (second in from the side of the motherboard) is
connected first to the SAMSUNG-3230 CD device and then to the Plextor
CD-R device.

The Primary IDE plug (third in from the side of the motherboard) is
connected first to the hard drive and then to the ZIP-100 drive.

I concluded that all devices were plugged in correctly---maybe. I say
maybe, because I see the SAMSUNG CD device lighting up on startup even
when it is listed below the hard drive during startup. I turned off my
computer, put my Windows 98SE CD in the SAMSOUNG CD device, and started
my computer. The lights flickered on the front of the CD player during
startup, but it did not run the 98SE CD. I then moved it to a position
ahead of the hard drive in the boot sequence...the results were the same
as before. I do not see the lights flicker on the front of the PLEXTOR
CD player during startup.

2. Based on your message, I made a visit to the BIOS/MAIN window. Here
is the way I found four lines of information on this page, when I
arrived---followed by the actions I took:

Primary Mster [Auto] - I made no change to this line.


Primary Slave [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I changed

Auto to ZIP-100.

Secondary Master [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I

changed Auto to CD-ROM

Secondary Slave [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I

changed Auto to CD-ROM

I restarted my computer and immediately looked in Device Manager. There
I found the hard drive partitions listed, but no ZIP or CD drives were
listed. So back to the BIOS again. I changed everything back except
the Secondary Slave entry which remained CD-ROM. A restart and all of
the devices were again present in the Device Manager (no problems
noted). I put 98SE CD in the SAMSUNG device; and it very slowly auto
started, and the Windows page appeared on screen. (Hurray, this device
had stopped reading and presenting information on screen several days
ago---good news). I then put the 98SE CD in the PLEXTOR device; and it
quickly auto started, and the Windows page appeared on screen. Thus,
this change did make a difference with the SAMSUNG device---it again works.

3. I next visited the BIOS/BOOT page again. Here is the way this page
looked on arrival:

1. Removable Device [Legacy Floppy]
2. IDE Hard Drive {ST330621A]
3. ATAPI CD-ROM [Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A]
4. Other Boot Device [INT18 Device (Network)]

Of course, neither CD player is in the boot sequence before the hard
drive. Thus, I changed the order of these elements, and only two
combinations did not cause problems in the Device Manager. The first no
problem was as I found them above. The second was as follows:

1. Removable Device [Legacy Floppy]
2. Other Boot Device [INT18 Device (Network)]
3. IDE Hard Drive {ST330621A]
4. ATAPI CD-ROM [Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A]

This combination did not result in any problems in the Device Manager.
It, however, did not open the 98SE CD on boot-up.


I think the above is a summary of the steps I have taken in response to
the information presented in your message. I hope I did as you
suggested--if not, let me know and I will try again. I know that my
computer originally only had one CD device installed (SAMSUNG). It was
not until many years later that the second CD device was installed
(PLEXTOR). They both seemed to perform perfectly together prior to my
meltdown. No, to the best of my knowledge, a CD device has never been
in the boot sequence before the hard drive. Secondly, the SAMSUNG
device is slow and may be on its way to the grave yard---that is, unless
some setting is causing it to be slow. The technician at the shop (back
when I was having the internal hard drive installed) could not make it
work and removed it from the system. After my meltdown, I reinstalled
it, and it has worked intermittently/and started reading a CD very
slowly since that re-installation.

Question, does it make any difference which CD device is Master and
Slave? If so, what happens if I switch the ribbon wire on the back of
these two devices?

Well, that is about all I have to share with you. Let me know if I got
off base anywhere.

Thanks again for helping me.

Frog








.... et al. wrote:
Frog wrote:

Brian A. wrote:

"Frog" wrote:

"Frog" wrote:

---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this
order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to
normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?


Well, that is how you have it listed in the BIOS-selection shown below,
but you said that that showed problems in the Device Manager. Look below
to see if selecting the Samsung Optical Disk Drive (ODD) will make a
difference. You originally also asked the following. "Is there some way
to make both CD players automatically start when a CD placed in the
system?" Per below, it doesn't seem so.

[snip]


Here is a summary of events:

I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]
2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]
3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [ST330621A]
4. Other Boot Device - [INT 18 Device (Netw

Number 4's lost its tail. From what's present it appears to be a
network device.


I checked this one out while in the BIOS today. It should read "INT18
Device (Network)". The ork) did not show in the BIOS window, but a
small window showed up when I highlighted this entry...Disabled
Onboard ATA100 BOOT Device/SCSI INT18 Device (Network).


So do the same for the 'ATAPI CD-ROM' entry and you will ( most probably
) be able to choose one or the other of the CD-Drives as being the
bootable one. The same for the 'IDE Hard Drive' entry if you have more
then one HDD. Only one of each 'type' can be selected as bootable at the
same time.

My A7V333 have two ODD's on the second IDE channel ( master and slave )
and can use either one selected to boot from with all IDE devices
present and working in the Device Manager, so the OS on your A7V133
seems to have 'issues'.

( And first of all, check and consider selecting 'Type: [CD-ROM]' for
the ODD's on the BIOS Setup's main page. )



 




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