Windows 9x/98SE, Me Updates/Patches/Downloads

Hi BMillikan ... I had a similar question about two days ago. Here is a copy
of a useful reply ... that can save you a lot of time. He has CDs with all
the patches and updates, sells for cost basically. Alternatively, you can
download the fixes yourself.

- Scott.



"BMillikan" wrote:

I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98, 98SE &
ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are
Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get
the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point me in the
right direction?

Thanks,
Brian
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Brian Millikan
Computer/Software Engineer
Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver
Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces

oops, forgot to include the note. Here it is.
BTW ... the responders are right that you need to be running from a Windows
9x machine to get the catalog. Windows XP machines redirect and won't,
therefore, let you get to the catalog. Wierd.

Subject: Updates for Windows 98 - where? 1/1/2008 12:10 PM PST

By: Gary S. Terhune



"BMillikan" wrote:

I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98, 98SE &
ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are
Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get
the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point me in the
right direction?

Thanks,
Brian
--
Brian Millikan
Computer/Software Engineer
Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver
Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces

Firefox regularly release updates or patches. For example 2.0.0.10
released late November addressed a bug in the open source browser's "jar:"
protocol handle, a memory corruption vulnerability, and a potential
cross-site scripting hazard

Netscape is unsupported and I'm sure Opera also release patches as and
when required.
--
Mike Maltby



mm wrote:

That's what I thought, but why is it that MS is always releasing
"Security Updates" and Netscape, Firefox, Opera, etc. never do. At
most they release a "new version" every once in a while. Is that
where they include security changes, or do they just have fewer
vulnerabilities than MS products.

Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
www.oldversion.com

I have firefox 2, but I suppose you think I should try this too,
right?

hmmm . . . not my day. Here is the rest of the note from Gary ...

I have a two CD set I send to people that has all the Updates for Win98,
Win98SE and WinME. Write to me for instructions (I ask $3 to cover costs.)
The first CD is a copy of the Feb. 2004 Security Updates CD, and the second
contains all the rest of the updates after those ones.

Email: updates_at_grystmill.com

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
***********************
"BMillikan" wrote:

I know Microsoft has removed the online support for Windows 95, 98, 98SE &
ME. However, I have a ton of learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are
Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able to get
the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can anyone point me in the
right direction?

Thanks,
Brian
--
Brian Millikan
Computer/Software Engineer
Microsoft Control Applications (Dialog-Based) Specialist / Hardware Driver
Development / User-Level Hardware Device Interfaces

thanatoid wrote:


Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
www.oldversion.com


At http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=opera:

....
Opera 7.03 (3.3 MB)
Opera 7.10 (3.2 MB)
Opera 7.11 (3.2 MB)
Opera 8.50 (3.6 MB)
Opera 8.51 (3.7 MB)
Opera 8.52 (3.6 MB)
....


eh?

Opera 8.50 and up is ad-free, but wasn't the 7.x versions still
ad-infested? Is 7.23 some special ad-free version?


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mm wrote in
news
On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid
wrote:

=?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=
wrote in
:

I know Microsoft has removed the online support for
Windows 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of
learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1
or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be able
to get the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow. Can
anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Brian

You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to use
some CD's.

You only need them if you will be connecting to the
Internet and using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.

That's what I thought, but why is it that MS is always
releasing "Security Updates" and Netscape, Firefox, Opera,
etc. never do.

For the same reason that when you buy a well-written piece of
/specific/ software, like an image editing program, you don't
spend the next year having it crash all the time and having to
get fixes. The bigger the company, the more apt it is to release
crap just to get it out the door an make more money. That
statement probably applies more to MS than anyone else.

I have been using a Micrografx image editor (which had VERY
useful features several years before the industry standard - and
total overkill for everyone except serious professionals - Adobe
Photoshop) and they NEVER released any patches - why? Because
they wrote the software carefully and tested the hell out of it
before releasing it. The bad part is that they are dead. Corel
now sells what's left of their products. That's the sad fate of
people and companies who care more about quality than money.

Anyway, to make it shorter:
a) because MS is more concerned with money than with quality
b) because since it comes preinstalled and "free" on practically
every PC sold, most virus/malware writers target IE/OE as well
as Office.

At most they release a "new version" every
once in a while. Is that where they include security
changes, or do they just have fewer vulnerabilities than MS
products.

SOME people say that the "insecurities" are there because MS
works with the NSA and leaves them there intentionally,
therefore hackers etc. are doing people a favor by discovering
and exploiting those insecurities and forcing MS to make the
browser etc. more user-oriented than "otherwise". Think of that
what you will.

Others just say MS is simply terrible at writing software but
great at marketing, using /any/ tactics necessary. They have
thousands of pimply kids who have never talked to each other
coding their software and NO single person has ever gone through
every line of the code for Vista [and XP etc.] or Office because
it would take a lifetime.

So that's another reason why those programs are huge, buggy and
basically, CRAP. There are programs that fit on a floppy that do
everything an average user could ask for. Check out
www.tinyapps.org and be amazed.

Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
www.oldversion.com

I have firefox 2, but I suppose you think I should try this
too, right?

I have said it so often I should just make it my sig. By the
time you install all the ad-ons and plugins for Firefox, it's
almost as big, bloated, and vulnerable as IE/OE. I tried it and
found it EXTREMELY disappointing. I don't know WHY Opera isn't
more popular. It is so superior to ANY of the other full-
featured browsers and they are the quickest at fixing whatever
minor security problems arise (SOME of the web dangers affect
ALL internet programs, not just IE/OE).


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02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
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mm wrote in
:

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:53:28 -0600, "philo"
wrote:


"thanatoid" wrote in message
.. .
=?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=
wrote in
:

I know Microsoft has removed the online support for
Windows 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of
learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1
or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be
able to get the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Brian

You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to
use some CD's.

You only need them if you will be connecting to the
Internet and using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.


That's quite true...

but if you do want the updates for win98/ME...if the
machine has IE6 installed
you can still gte them.

It's simply that MS is no longer writing new updates

Yeah, that seems to be a new meaning for the word support,
from the point of view of those who were writing the
updates. Now there seem to be 2 meanings to the word
support.

Microsoft DOES have a talent for making words mean new things...
I think there are MANY people in the world who now think of the
"word-processing program" (I am being kind here) instead of part
of language when they hear the word "WORD".


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Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

(C B) wrote in
:

"... et al." wrote:
thanatoid wrote:


Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
www.oldversion.com


At http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=opera:

...
Opera 7.03 (3.3 MB)
Opera 7.10 (3.2 MB)
Opera 7.11 (3.2 MB)
Opera 8.50 (3.6 MB)
Opera 8.51 (3.7 MB)
Opera 8.52 (3.6 MB)
...

eh?

I guess I got 7.23 from somewhere else, maybe the Opera site
years ago, and I obviously did not remember whether it was
avail. on www.oldversion.com. Sorry.

I DL'd 8.52 from there and it was SO different from 7.23 that I
went back to 7.23 (also, I run a 166PI/96MB for my internet
needs).

I am pretty sure a 98 machine can handle 8.* with no problems.
Otherwise, 7.11 or anything you want. They're all good and 99.9%
of attacks target IE. I haven't done a single update on this
machine in at least 5 or 8 years and I have NEVER been
infested/attacked/hijacked etc.

Opera 8.50 and up is ad-free, but wasn't the 7.x versions
still ad-infested? Is 7.23 some special ad-free version?

Ad-infested is a BIT of an overstatement. There was a banner-
size rectangle at the upper right which showed either random ads
or, if you filled out your personality profile (OPTIONAL), ads
targeted at your interests/etc. If you bought the program, you
got a reg key which removed the rectangle.

Then Opera became free and the rectangle was gone. I don't know
at which exact point/release this happened.

Hello,
Just as a FYI, I run ver 8.51 on a P166 mmx, 3 gig
machine with 98 SE. It's fairly fast, bug free, with a
lot of options. The only drawback is I use Hotmail for my
e-mail and it balks till I enter the password at least
twice. However, I think that's Bill's doing, not Opera.

I have read about other people having this problem. I don't get
it - I run 7.23 on basically the same machine (see above) and it
works fine. I only use Hotmail as a throwaway address for stupid
sites/things which would generate spam etc. anyway.

I have a $15/year pop3 account which is what I use for real
email. Anyone can afford that.

There are many things wrong with web-mail (AKA html mail) for a
variety of reasons. Google if you're interested.


--
Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

"N. Miller" wrote in
:

On 02 Jan 2008 19:56:21 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

"N. Miller" wrote in
:

On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

Use Opera 7.23...

Why? Opera 9.25 runs under Windows ME.

It may "run" but it won't run as fast and will crash more
on 98SE.

HP Pavilion 6745C (700MHz Intel Celeron processor, 192MB
RAM, Windows ME). HP Pavilion m7590n (1.2GHz Intel Dual
core processor, 2GB RAM, Windows MCE 2005).

I have Opera 9.25 installed on both. I don't see any
difference in speed which isn't accounted for by the
different processors. Reliability is the same; Opera 9.25
doesn't crash.

Check your hardware.

My hardware is 166/96RAM/33.6 modem, 10 years and 3 months old.
I was just guessing as to what will/will not run on a 98 machine
- and it's the processor and RAM that matters, and you have
plenty of that, not to mention you are running a later OS. I
have a 2GHz 98SE Lite machine but it is not connected to the
net.

I don't think 9.25 would run on my internet machine, but it
doesn't matter. 7.23 does everything I need it to, and I use
offbyone (about 1MB and /the/ fastest browser in the world)
99.5% of the time anyway. I only use Opera to access Hotmail, my
bank, and sites which don't work without Java or flash - most of
which are of no interest to me.

--
Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

"N. Miller" wrote in
:

SNIP

Windows 98SE, or even Windows 98 would run just fine on my
computer.

Not very surprising since you are now running later ME and
later. Sigh.

Indeed, the difference between the HP Pavilion
6745C and the HP Pavilion 6746C was the OS. Windows ME vs.
Windows 98SE.

I would never buy a brand name compurer. I get them made to
order.

Opera 7.23 is afflicted with exploitable vulnerabilities,

The biggest vulnerability is the user, and I know what I'm
doing.
I thought I explained why I went back to 7.23.

as is just about any browser version number over a couple
of years old, and no longer maintained by the publisher.
E.g., Netscape 7.2 has been superseded by SeaMonkey 1.1.7.

I have a 2GHz 98SE Lite machine but it is not connected to
the net.

Probably backwards. The newer machine can run new, more
secure application. That should be the one with the
Internet connection.

Great. I'll get on that RIGHT AWAY. And I'll let you know when I
need someone to help me with my new wardrobe, OK?

I don't have a ten-year old computer with which to
experiment. I am reasonably certain that my twenty-year old
boxen won't support even Windows 95 (1 HP Vectra 486/33T,
which is an Intel i486DX-33MHz processor, 32MBytes of RAM,
and 1 HP Vectra 25T, which was an Intel i486DX-25MNz
processor, 32MBytes of RAM. The last has an Cyrix 50MHz
replacement processor).

A 486 is /nowhere near/ 20 years old. It was Jan. 1988 20 years
ago.

I have a Vectra 486/66, 16MB RAM and it runs 95 fine. It has a
28.8 Supra modem and I have used it with the internet.



--
Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.