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  #1  
Old December 31st 07, 05:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Arlykat
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Default Can't Start Windows, No Way, No How - HELP!

Hi. I have a computer I haven't run for about a year. It got plugged in and
out, disconnected things, connected them back, etc. thru the year. When I now
want to start it up to copy or move all of my important pics/info so I can
give the computer to a friend, Windows won't start. It is Win. 98 prob with
2nd edition. 1st it started and I got the screen files were missing or
corrupted - choose how to proceed: Safe Mode, Regular, Safe Mode With
Commands, etc. Whatever I clicked it took me to Startup Options. Told me I
had missing or corrupted files, 3 of them, can't remember exactly which, Win
HyMem, Win.com and something. It told me to run SYSREG I believe to sort of
scan the machine to find out what was wrong. It wouldn't do that, it would go
to Sys Scan but would just sit there, nothing on the page but "System Scan"
and nothing moving, showing progress, etc. Let it do that for a LONG time
then stopped it. Tried again to start in Safe Mode, took me to Startup
Options (and also list of info computer info, etc.). Tried everything and
nothing worked. I then tried to start it up with the Win 98 disk in D drive,
just came up files missing or corrupted, RetryAbort...something something.
When I tried to type in retry it just kept reshowing the same line mentioned
just above. Desperate, I even put in an AOL disk in D drive and restarted
computer - figured the ever hungry AOL giant would make ANYTHING work just to
get another client. Did nothing but show the removeabort retry message. Now
that is all that will come up on the screen, don't even get the Windows
startup options page.

I WOULD reinstall Win. 98 if I HAD to just to be able to give the computer
to my friend, even though I would lose some info I really wanted to keep.
What should I do? First, can anyone help me do some dos commands or something
to NOT have to reinstall Win? If so, you would have to help me get out of
this loop I am in - I cannot type ANYTHING that works on the missing or
corrupt message - abort, retry, delete, etc. Nothing I type clears that, no
different way to start the computer gets that off the screen. So, I would
have to know what to do to be able to actually get to a place where I could
do some dos commands.

ORRRR, how can I just reinstall Win. 98? Same problem as above, I can't get
anything different on the screen with or without the Win disk in D shutting
down and turning back on computer. There is NO screen option given me other
than the one error message above that does not respond to it's own question
by my trying to type retry or "r" or abort or "a." I want to keep this Win
98 on this computer because it will be up to them to upgrade when they can -
I just want them to be able to get on line or open the computer up even if
just to play the installed games that comes with it.

I know some regarding computers, not technical lingo, per se - you would
have to talk very basic with me if you can help. Don't assume I know where
something is if you suggest I use it or type it. As soon as I can get this
computer up I will give it to my friend who is very excited and anxiously
waiting for it. Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks much.

Arlykat

  #2  
Old December 31st 07, 08:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
philo
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"Arlykat" wrote in message
...
Hi. I have a computer I haven't run for about a year. It got plugged in

and
out, disconnected things, connected them back, etc. thru the year. When I

now
want to start it up to copy or move all of my important pics/info so I can
give the computer to a friend, Windows won't start. It is Win. 98 prob

with
2nd edition. 1st it started and I got the screen files were missing or
corrupted - choose how to proceed: Safe Mode, Regular, Safe Mode With
Commands, etc. Whatever I clicked it took me to Startup Options. Told me I
had missing or corrupted files, 3 of them, can't remember exactly which,

Win
HyMem, Win.com and something. It told me to run SYSREG I believe to sort

of
scan the machine to find out what was wrong. It wouldn't do that, it would

go
to


snip

Hold it right there.

before you go any further...
run a RAM test and run the HD mfg's diagnostic.

No sense in doing anything else until you are sure your hardware is ok


  #3  
Old December 31st 07, 09:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Ben Myers
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Default Can't Start Windows, No Way, No How - HELP!

"Arlykat" wrote in message ...
Hi. I have a computer I haven't run for about a year. It got plugged in and
out, disconnected things, connected them back, etc. thru the year. When I now
want to start it up to copy or move all of my important pics/info so I can
give the computer to a friend, Windows won't start. It is Win. 98 prob with
2nd edition. 1st it started and I got the screen files were missing or
corrupted - choose how to proceed: Safe Mode, Regular, Safe Mode With
Commands, etc. Whatever I clicked it took me to Startup Options. Told me I
had missing or corrupted files, 3 of them, can't remember exactly which, Win

snip

Go to http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm and create a Windows 98
boot floppy. Use it to start the computer, type "scandisk c:", press "Enter"
and see what is found.

Ben
  #4  
Old January 1st 08, 07:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Arlykat
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Default Can't Start Windows, No Way, No How - HELP!

Ben,

I can't thank you enough for trying to help me. I'm going to make and run
the disk right now and "see what is found" and then get back to you. Thanks
again.

Arly

"Ben Myers" wrote:

"Arlykat" wrote in message ...
Hi. I have a computer I haven't run for about a year. It got plugged in and
out, disconnected things, connected them back, etc. thru the year. When I now
want to start it up to copy or move all of my important pics/info so I can
give the computer to a friend, Windows won't start. It is Win. 98 prob with
2nd edition. 1st it started and I got the screen files were missing or
corrupted - choose how to proceed: Safe Mode, Regular, Safe Mode With
Commands, etc. Whatever I clicked it took me to Startup Options. Told me I
had missing or corrupted files, 3 of them, can't remember exactly which, Win

snip

Go to http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm and create a Windows 98
boot floppy. Use it to start the computer, type "scandisk c:", press "Enter"
and see what is found.

Ben

  #5  
Old January 1st 08, 10:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Arlykat
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Posts: 10
Default Can't Start Windows, No Way, No How - HELP!

Hi Ben,

I created the boot disk and went through the process of it running on the
computer that won't start. It found several errors that it fixed, took quite
some time to get to the end. Unfortunately, I still can't get Windows 98 to
come up. I ran your SCANDISK C:, I did get to a point where it told me there
were many new changes in Windows 98, a long read. From that, I also tried
running SCANDISK/MOUNT C: and SCANDISK/ALL and CHKDSK.EXE (when I ran the
last one it told me to run scandisk which would fix more problems).

Now, when I turn on the computer I get the IBM Aptiva screen and Windows
screen, then it shoots me into open the computer with the list of safemode,
normal, safemode with command prompts, etc. It has highlighted and tells me
to open the computer in Command Mode. Tried every mode also, keeps bringing
me back to the command mode thing and A:/. I open the computer with the disk
in the A drive and again type SCANDISK C:. It says it is going to begin to
open my computer (which it did when I first ran the boot disk that did all
the fixing) and it may take some time. I can see a time progression line on
the bottom showing it is beginning to do something. Then the final prompt I
get is: "ScanDisk encountered a data error while reading the FAT entry for
cluster 1829168 (I am assuming they are the number '8' - it looks like a zero
with a single dot in the middle which makes it look sorta like an 8). This
error prevents ScanDisk from fixing this drive."

So, that is pretty much where I am - the above being the ultimate last
sentence it continues to give me and I click exit. This is so frustrating.
The computer was running fine when I shut it down over a year ago, just short
on memory. We did unplug it and replug things, but everything is all back to
where it was. I can't imagine what has caused this huge problem on it now.
Because of a smaller memory card we loaded Win. 98 (2nd edition I THINK) and
when we went on line using AOL at the time it would only run up to Win. 95
which limited us very much. We then only pretty much used the computer to
look at floppy disks and copy them, delete them, etc.

Between the time we used the computer for mainly pictures my mom, who was
living with me and was 98, died. I honestly don't know if there are any
pictures of her on the computer or not. I would hate to lose them, but, if
there is no way to "fix" this computer, I am willing to try and empty it out
and either reload Win. 98 SE or just give it to my friend with nothing on it.
I think they would like the Win. 98 SE on it because they have virtually NO
money (husband ran off with gf, left wife and two infants, pays nothing to
help them) so at least they would have SOMETHING on the computer to get them
online, albiet, slowly.

So Ben, what should I do? Again, I appreciate your help more than you know.

Arlykat


"Arlykat" wrote:

Ben,

I can't thank you enough for trying to help me. I'm going to make and run
the disk right now and "see what is found" and then get back to you. Thanks
again.

Arly

"Ben Myers" wrote:

"Arlykat" wrote in message ...
Hi. I have a computer I haven't run for about a year. It got plugged in and
out, disconnected things, connected them back, etc. thru the year. When I now
want to start it up to copy or move all of my important pics/info so I can
give the computer to a friend, Windows won't start. It is Win. 98 prob with
2nd edition. 1st it started and I got the screen files were missing or
corrupted - choose how to proceed: Safe Mode, Regular, Safe Mode With
Commands, etc. Whatever I clicked it took me to Startup Options. Told me I
had missing or corrupted files, 3 of them, can't remember exactly which, Win

snip

Go to http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm and create a Windows 98
boot floppy. Use it to start the computer, type "scandisk c:", press "Enter"
and see what is found.

Ben

  #6  
Old January 2nd 08, 02:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
glee
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Default Can't Start Windows, No Way, No How - HELP!

Start the computer with the boot disk again, and this time at the A:\ prompt, type
the following and press Enter:

scandisk /surface

(that is: scandisk space /surface)

It will take quite a while to complete a surface scan, which checks the actual
surface of the hard drive platters for damage.

When it completes, you will be returned to the A:\ prompt.
You can then remove the floppy and press Ctrl+Alt+Delete to restart.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


"Arlykat" wrote in message
...
Hi Ben,

I created the boot disk and went through the process of it running on the
computer that won't start. It found several errors that it fixed, took quite
some time to get to the end. Unfortunately, I still can't get Windows 98 to
come up. I ran your SCANDISK C:, I did get to a point where it told me there
were many new changes in Windows 98, a long read. From that, I also tried
running SCANDISK/MOUNT C: and SCANDISK/ALL and CHKDSK.EXE (when I ran the
last one it told me to run scandisk which would fix more problems).

Now, when I turn on the computer I get the IBM Aptiva screen and Windows
screen, then it shoots me into open the computer with the list of safemode,
normal, safemode with command prompts, etc. It has highlighted and tells me
to open the computer in Command Mode. Tried every mode also, keeps bringing
me back to the command mode thing and A:/. I open the computer with the disk
in the A drive and again type SCANDISK C:. It says it is going to begin to
open my computer (which it did when I first ran the boot disk that did all
the fixing) and it may take some time. I can see a time progression line on
the bottom showing it is beginning to do something. Then the final prompt I
get is: "ScanDisk encountered a data error while reading the FAT entry for
cluster 1829168 (I am assuming they are the number '8' - it looks like a zero
with a single dot in the middle which makes it look sorta like an 8). This
error prevents ScanDisk from fixing this drive."

So, that is pretty much where I am - the above being the ultimate last
sentence it continues to give me and I click exit. This is so frustrating.
The computer was running fine when I shut it down over a year ago, just short
on memory. We did unplug it and replug things, but everything is all back to
where it was. I can't imagine what has caused this huge problem on it now.
Because of a smaller memory card we loaded Win. 98 (2nd edition I THINK) and
when we went on line using AOL at the time it would only run up to Win. 95
which limited us very much. We then only pretty much used the computer to
look at floppy disks and copy them, delete them, etc.

Between the time we used the computer for mainly pictures my mom, who was
living with me and was 98, died. I honestly don't know if there are any
pictures of her on the computer or not. I would hate to lose them, but, if
there is no way to "fix" this computer, I am willing to try and empty it out
and either reload Win. 98 SE or just give it to my friend with nothing on it.
I think they would like the Win. 98 SE on it because they have virtually NO
money (husband ran off with gf, left wife and two infants, pays nothing to
help them) so at least they would have SOMETHING on the computer to get them
online, albiet, slowly.

So Ben, what should I do? Again, I appreciate your help more than you know.

Arlykat


"Arlykat" wrote:

Ben,

I can't thank you enough for trying to help me. I'm going to make and run
the disk right now and "see what is found" and then get back to you. Thanks
again.

Arly

"Ben Myers" wrote:

"Arlykat" wrote in message
...
Hi. I have a computer I haven't run for about a year. It got plugged in and
out, disconnected things, connected them back, etc. thru the year. When I now
want to start it up to copy or move all of my important pics/info so I can
give the computer to a friend, Windows won't start. It is Win. 98 prob with
2nd edition. 1st it started and I got the screen files were missing or
corrupted - choose how to proceed: Safe Mode, Regular, Safe Mode With
Commands, etc. Whatever I clicked it took me to Startup Options. Told me I
had missing or corrupted files, 3 of them, can't remember exactly which, Win
snip

Go to http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm and create a Windows 98
boot floppy. Use it to start the computer, type "scandisk c:", press "Enter"
and see what is found.

Ben


  #7  
Old January 2nd 08, 03:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Don Phillipson
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Default Can't Start Windows, No Way, No How - HELP!

"Arlykat" wrote in message
...

Hi. I have a computer I haven't run for about a year. It got plugged in

and
out, disconnected things, connected them back, etc. thru the year. When I

now
want to start it up to copy or move all of my important pics/info so I can
give the computer to a friend, Windows won't start.


Separate your two tasks.
1. You want to save onto your regular PC your important
pics/info. Method A is to link the two PCs together as a
temporary network, then just copy over. Method B is to
put the hard drive from the old PC into the new PC, copy
over what you want (e.g. all files created between dates A and B)
then put the hard drive back. Method B would be the
fastest if you have any trouble starting the old PC.

2. You want to give away the old computer in good running
order. The fastest way of doing this is to use FDISK to blank
the hard drive, then reformat and reinstal the operating system,
as described he
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #8  
Old January 2nd 08, 08:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Ben Myers
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Default Can't Start Windows, No Way, No How - HELP!

"Arlykat" wrote in message ...
Hi Ben,
I created the boot disk and went through the process of it running on the
computer that won't start. It found several errors that it fixed, took quite
some time to get to the end.


Actually, the floppy should do nothing but boot to an A:\ prompt.

Unfortunately, I still can't get Windows 98 to
come up. I ran your SCANDISK C:, I did get to a point where it told me there
were many new changes in Windows 98, a long read.


This sounds a message generated by Windows setup.

From that, I also tried
running SCANDISK/MOUNT C: and SCANDISK/ALL and CHKDSK.EXE (when I ran the
last one it told me to run scandisk which would fix more problems).
Now, when I turn on the computer I get the IBM Aptiva screen and Windows
screen, then it shoots me into open the computer with the list of safemode,
normal, safemode with command prompts, etc. It has highlighted and tells me
to open the computer in Command Mode. Tried every mode also, keeps bringing
me back to the command mode thing and A:/. I open the computer with the disk
in the A drive and again type SCANDISK C:. It says it is going to begin to
open my computer (which it did when I first ran the boot disk that did all
the fixing) and it may take some time. I can see a time progression line on
the bottom showing it is beginning to do something. Then the final prompt I
get is: "ScanDisk encountered a data error while reading the FAT entry for
cluster 1829168 (I am assuming they are the number '8' - it looks like a zero
with a single dot in the middle which makes it look sorta like an 8). This
error prevents ScanDisk from fixing this drive."

snip

It sounds like the computer is having difficulty reading the hard drive. Start the
computer and watch the screen closely for something like "Press del for setup".
Restart, pressing the appropriate key and look for "Autodetect hard drives".
If you find it, redetect the hard drive or drives and save the changes. Then run
ScanDisk again. If this doesn't help, most hard drive manufacturers have
diagnostic utilities available for download.

Maxtor and Seagate http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/
Western Digital http://support.wdc.com/download/inde...n&pid=999&swid

Ben

  #9  
Old January 6th 08, 02:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Arlykat
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Default Can't Start Windows, No Way, No How - HELP!

Hi Glee,

I did what you said and it basically came back with not finding any damage.
I then removed the disk and did control, alt, delete and it brought me back
to the "Open Using Command Prompt" and I am back where I started without
having the computer start up correctly. I am so discouraged. Thanks though
for your help. Arlykat

"glee" wrote:

Start the computer with the boot disk again, and this time at the A:\ prompt, type
the following and press Enter:

scandisk /surface

(that is: scandisk space /surface)

It will take quite a while to complete a surface scan, which checks the actual
surface of the hard drive platters for damage.

When it completes, you will be returned to the A:\ prompt.
You can then remove the floppy and press Ctrl+Alt+Delete to restart.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


"Arlykat" wrote in message
...
Hi Ben,

I created the boot disk and went through the process of it running on the
computer that won't start. It found several errors that it fixed, took quite
some time to get to the end. Unfortunately, I still can't get Windows 98 to
come up. I ran your SCANDISK C:, I did get to a point where it told me there
were many new changes in Windows 98, a long read. From that, I also tried
running SCANDISK/MOUNT C: and SCANDISK/ALL and CHKDSK.EXE (when I ran the
last one it told me to run scandisk which would fix more problems).

Now, when I turn on the computer I get the IBM Aptiva screen and Windows
screen, then it shoots me into open the computer with the list of safemode,
normal, safemode with command prompts, etc. It has highlighted and tells me
to open the computer in Command Mode. Tried every mode also, keeps bringing
me back to the command mode thing and A:/. I open the computer with the disk
in the A drive and again type SCANDISK C:. It says it is going to begin to
open my computer (which it did when I first ran the boot disk that did all
the fixing) and it may take some time. I can see a time progression line on
the bottom showing it is beginning to do something. Then the final prompt I
get is: "ScanDisk encountered a data error while reading the FAT entry for
cluster 1829168 (I am assuming they are the number '8' - it looks like a zero
with a single dot in the middle which makes it look sorta like an 8). This
error prevents ScanDisk from fixing this drive."

So, that is pretty much where I am - the above being the ultimate last
sentence it continues to give me and I click exit. This is so frustrating.
The computer was running fine when I shut it down over a year ago, just short
on memory. We did unplug it and replug things, but everything is all back to
where it was. I can't imagine what has caused this huge problem on it now.
Because of a smaller memory card we loaded Win. 98 (2nd edition I THINK) and
when we went on line using AOL at the time it would only run up to Win. 95
which limited us very much. We then only pretty much used the computer to
look at floppy disks and copy them, delete them, etc.

Between the time we used the computer for mainly pictures my mom, who was
living with me and was 98, died. I honestly don't know if there are any
pictures of her on the computer or not. I would hate to lose them, but, if
there is no way to "fix" this computer, I am willing to try and empty it out
and either reload Win. 98 SE or just give it to my friend with nothing on it.
I think they would like the Win. 98 SE on it because they have virtually NO
money (husband ran off with gf, left wife and two infants, pays nothing to
help them) so at least they would have SOMETHING on the computer to get them
online, albiet, slowly.

So Ben, what should I do? Again, I appreciate your help more than you know.

Arlykat


"Arlykat" wrote:

Ben,

I can't thank you enough for trying to help me. I'm going to make and run
the disk right now and "see what is found" and then get back to you. Thanks
again.

Arly

"Ben Myers" wrote:

"Arlykat" wrote in message
...
Hi. I have a computer I haven't run for about a year. It got plugged in and
out, disconnected things, connected them back, etc. thru the year. When I now
want to start it up to copy or move all of my important pics/info so I can
give the computer to a friend, Windows won't start. It is Win. 98 prob with
2nd edition. 1st it started and I got the screen files were missing or
corrupted - choose how to proceed: Safe Mode, Regular, Safe Mode With
Commands, etc. Whatever I clicked it took me to Startup Options. Told me I
had missing or corrupted files, 3 of them, can't remember exactly which, Win
snip

Go to http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm and create a Windows 98
boot floppy. Use it to start the computer, type "scandisk c:", press "Enter"
and see what is found.

Ben



  #10  
Old January 6th 08, 02:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Arlykat
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Default Can't Start Windows, No Way, No How - HELP!



"Ben Myers" wrote:

"Arlykat" wrote in message ...
Hi Ben,
I created the boot disk and went through the process of it running on the
computer that won't start. It found several errors that it fixed, took quite
some time to get to the end.


Actually, the floppy should do nothing but boot to an A:\ prompt.

Unfortunately, I still can't get Windows 98 to
come up. I ran your SCANDISK C:, I did get to a point where it told me there
were many new changes in Windows 98, a long read.


This sounds a message generated by Windows setup.

From that, I also tried
running SCANDISK/MOUNT C: and SCANDISK/ALL and CHKDSK.EXE (when I ran the
last one it told me to run scandisk which would fix more problems).
Now, when I turn on the computer I get the IBM Aptiva screen and Windows
screen, then it shoots me into open the computer with the list of safemode,
normal, safemode with command prompts, etc. It has highlighted and tells me
to open the computer in Command Mode. Tried every mode also, keeps bringing
me back to the command mode thing and A:/. I open the computer with the disk
in the A drive and again type SCANDISK C:. It says it is going to begin to
open my computer (which it did when I first ran the boot disk that did all
the fixing) and it may take some time. I can see a time progression line on
the bottom showing it is beginning to do something. Then the final prompt I
get is: "ScanDisk encountered a data error while reading the FAT entry for
cluster 1829168 (I am assuming they are the number '8' - it looks like a zero
with a single dot in the middle which makes it look sorta like an 8). This
error prevents ScanDisk from fixing this drive."

snip

It sounds like the computer is having difficulty reading the hard drive. Start the
computer and watch the screen closely for something like "Press del for setup".
Restart, pressing the appropriate key and look for "Autodetect hard drives".
If you find it, redetect the hard drive or drives and save the changes. Then run
ScanDisk again. If this doesn't help, most hard drive manufacturers have
diagnostic utilities available for download.

Maxtor and Seagate http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/
Western Digital http://support.wdc.com/download/inde...n&pid=999&swid

Ben



Hi Ben,

Again, thanks so much for sticking with me and trying to help me get this
computer up and running for my friend. Will tell you something before I go
any farther in this response - I am a female and I am about 2% under the
point of starting to cry over this in frustration. Okay? Just so you know
what frame of mind I am getting shoved into.

I found something similar to what you said to click when the computer was
starting up and it took me to the Setup menu which is the one that also lists
computer info, etc. When you then say to "Restart pressing appropriate key"
you lost me. When I get to the setup menu there is no place for me to click
on restart, only "more info" and "exit." So, I was stuck on that. I took
the menu that I did have and looked at everything to see if I could find
anything even slightly familiar to Autodetect hard drives or anything to do
with redirecting drives and found nada.

I went to both Seagate and Western Digital and found, at least at Seagate,
that it says I can download the only 'free' utilities diagnostic tool they
offer and then transfer it to a CD. Unfortunately, it then says that I would
have to redirect the startup process to boot from the D drive first, which
would be mighty tough for me to do on the computer with the trouble because I
can't make it do anything basically. It also said that it would only work on
computers using Windows 2000, XP or Vista. None of which is on the ole Win.
98SE computer I am trying to fix.

I went to Western and that is when I sorta had much of my hope fade and
ended up not even looking for something that might work from there. That is
when I was going to cry. I am now just sitting here, very down, very
frustrated, very depressed. I don't want to stop trying to fix this but I am
losing hope. Maybe if you told me about the "restart pressing appropriate
key" thing I could try that again. I honestly don't even know if the menu
you are wanting to show up is the menu that is showing up when I do press the
key that takes me to the Setup menu I get. I have spent hours and hours on
this - now MY computer is having trouble with its floppy drive and I am
jumping through hoops trying to fix that. Plain spit.

Will wait to hear from you.

Arlykat
 




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