If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
"Adam" wrote in message
om... | | I'm not sure why this post didn't come through until today ... It's been here since the 5th. Have you got an "OE, Tools menu, Message Rule" that misbehaves? | | Anyhow, the "Restart" instead of "Shut Down" problem was | fixed by replacing ACPI BIOS with PnP BIOS (fail safe). | For details, see my earlier post (dated 11/9/2004 3:12pm). I saw that. It's really beyond my experience. I am "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI)", but IT has an exclamation (!). However, as there is no Resource Conflict involved, I'm told to let it be by Windows Help. All the same, some day I may try as you did, but-- I'm shutting down/restarting faily well enough. (Can't say it's 100%. If you turn out to be 100% now, please let me know. You & Shep!) | | The following issues remain: | - duplicate "PCI bus" with an exclamation mark (but system works fine) Duplicates. The normal suggested solution is to Remove both in Safe Mode. One may then drop off. However, I wouldn't fool with my own PCI Bus without doing a fresh full system backup first. Terhune has often posted a true devastation of devices in Device Manager. I have it in my "Keepers", but I hesitate to pass it on,-- & NOT just because he has forbid me to mention his name. | - system does not wait for the user to turn off the computer on "Shut Down" I don't understand. Mine shuts itself off. Then, all I need do is turn off the monitor & speakers. ....snip -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
My responses are inline ... "PCR" wrote in message ... "Adam" wrote in message om... | | I'm not sure why this post didn't come through until today ... It's been here since the 5th. Have you got an "OE, Tools menu, Message Rule" that misbehaves? I don't think so ... I haven't used that feature before. | | Anyhow, the "Restart" instead of "Shut Down" problem was | fixed by replacing ACPI BIOS with PnP BIOS (fail safe). | For details, see my earlier post (dated 11/9/2004 3:12pm). I saw that. It's really beyond my experience. I am "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI)", but IT has an exclamation (!). However, as there is no Resource Conflict involved, I'm told to let it be by Windows Help. All the same, some day I may try as you did, but-- I'm shutting down/restarting faily well enough. (Can't say it's 100%. If you turn out to be 100% now, please let me know. You & Shep!) If 100% means no exclamation, then it's not 100% here. | | The following issues remain: | - duplicate "PCI bus" with an exclamation mark (but system works fine) Duplicates. The normal suggested solution is to Remove both in Safe Mode. One may then drop off. However, I wouldn't fool with my own PCI Bus without doing a fresh full system backup first. For me, "PCI bus" is a stubborn duplicate with an exclamation that I cannot remove (not even in Safe mode). If I try to remove "PCI bus" in Safe mode, the system gives the following message: "Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer." Then, I can only boot into Safe mode but not into Normal mode. Terhune has often posted a true devastation of devices in Device Manager. I have it in my "Keepers", but I hesitate to pass it on,-- & NOT just because he has forbid me to mention his name. | - system does not wait for the user to turn off the computer on "Shut Down" I don't understand. Mine shuts itself off. Then, all I need do is turn off the monitor & speakers. Well, based on the message in the "logos.sys" bitmap: "It's now safe to turn off your computer." It sounds like the user is suppose to manually power off the computer rather than just have the message flash before him/her. I don't know ... it's no biggy really ... ...snip -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
"Adam" wrote in message
. com... | | My responses are inline ... | | | "PCR" wrote in message ... | "Adam" wrote in message | om... | | | | I'm not sure why this post didn't come through until today ... | | It's been here since the 5th. Have you got an "OE, Tools menu, Message | Rule" that misbehaves? | | I don't think so ... I haven't used that feature before. Hmm. Then, all I can think is... (a) Sometimes the server malfunctions, but I haven't seen it recently. (b) R-Clk this NG in the left pane of OE, & point to "Synchronization Settings". Is "All Messages" bolted? (c) At "OE, Tools menu, Options, General tab", how often does it "Check for new messages"? (d) At "OE, Tools menu, Accounts, News tab", is "msnews.microsoft.com" set as the "Default"? (The button will be shaded, if so.) | | | | | | Anyhow, the "Restart" instead of "Shut Down" problem was | | fixed by replacing ACPI BIOS with PnP BIOS (fail safe). | | For details, see my earlier post (dated 11/9/2004 3:12pm). | | I saw that. It's really beyond my experience. I am "Advanced | Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI)", but IT has an exclamation | (!). However, as there is no Resource Conflict involved, I'm told to let | it be by Windows Help. All the same, some day I may try as you did, | but-- I'm shutting down/restarting faily well enough. (Can't say it's | 100%. If you turn out to be 100% now, please let me know. You & Shep!) | | If 100% means no exclamation, then it's not 100% here. Well, I guess I'll wait a bit, as one exclamation point is as good as another. What about Terhune's post? Do you want it? I will only post such a thing by request ONLY, & notarized! | | | | | | The following issues remain: | | - duplicate "PCI bus" with an exclamation mark (but system works fine) | | Duplicates. The normal suggested solution is to Remove both in Safe | Mode. One may then drop off. However, I wouldn't fool with my own PCI | Bus without doing a fresh full system backup first. | | For me, "PCI bus" is a stubborn duplicate with an exclamation that | I cannot remove (not even in Safe mode). | | If I try to remove "PCI bus" in Safe mode, | the system gives the following message: | "Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer." | Then, I can only boot into Safe mode but not into Normal mode. Hmm. And you removed both of them? There is an article or two about that error, but I don't know whether they apply in this situation-- as you are causing it explicitly by removing devices. Anyway, you have to post more of the message, as there is more than one. | | | | Terhune has often posted a true devastation of devices in Device | Manager. I have it in my "Keepers", but I hesitate to pass it on,-- & | NOT just because he has forbid me to mention his name. | | | - system does not wait for the user to turn off the computer on "Shut | Down" | | I don't understand. Mine shuts itself off. Then, all I need do is turn | off the monitor & speakers. | | Well, based on the message in the "logos.sys" bitmap: | "It's now safe to turn off your computer." | It sounds like the user is suppose to manually power off | the computer rather than just have the message flash before him/her. | | I don't know ... it's no biggy really ... Well, opening them in MSPaint... "Logos.sys" is "It's now safe to turn off your computer". "Logow.sys" is "Windows is shutting down". Perhaps the change you did with ACPI BIOS did not go all the way to switch which one gets posted at shutdown. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
No more exclamations in "System Properties" = "Device Manager". Whew! I was able to remove the last exclamation (on "PCI bus") in Device Manager's list of devices by using the "bootlog.txt" file generated from a logged boot to locate the extraneous "PCI bus" entry and remove it from the registry. "Adam" wrote in message m... Installing Via's 4-in-1 drivers did not fix the exclamations. Nero InfoTool shows that all drives have DMA=on. In Safe mode, I was able to fix all exclamations except "PCI bus". If I try to remove "PCI bus" in Safe mode, I will get the following two messages: 1) "NAV Auto-Protect: The configuration files were not found. Using default configuration." 2) "NAV Auto-Protect: Unable to initialize the exclusion database." After the above messages, I will not be able to boot using the partition. Uninstalling NAV from the partition first gives the same results. I guess I'll have to live with the one remaining exclamation for now. Also, my system automatically turns off the computer after displaying the message: "It's now safe to turn off your computer." How can I get it to require the user to manually turn off the computer? "Shep©" wrote in message ... On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:12:01 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when "Adam" wrote : "Shut Down" now works as expected ... solution in my case ... Replace "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) BIOS" with "Plug and Play BIOS (fail safe)". Here's a helpful link: http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/acpi.html Still not sure why I have the following exclamations in the device list: Keyboard: - Standard 101/102 - Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard - "!" Standard 101 / 102 - Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard Boot to Safemode/Device Manager and remove all entries for the Keyboard and re-boot as per, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/drivers.html System devices: - Direct memory access controller - "!" Direct memory access controller - PCI bus - "!" PCI bus Look for updated mother board drivers pack or your mother board's chip set drivers pack and install.System Diagnostic,"Everest Home Edition" free will tell you all you need to know about the hardware etc on your system, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/diag.html also on that page get Nero Info tool to check that all your drives are using DMA. HTH My system consists of the following: Motherboard: Asus A7V133 rev 1.05. CPU: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ RAM: 512MB NIC: 3Com 3C905C-TXM Audio: Creative SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 CD-ROM Burner: LiteOn 52x24x52x DVD Drive: Pioneer DVD-116 Display Adapter: Leadtek WinFast GeForce256 DDR 32MB AGP Monitor: ViewSonic P815-4 Printer: HP LaserJet 5 "Adam" wrote in message om... First, let me explain ... I use the BIOS to select between two HDDs/partitions to boot from ... The "Allow LPT Interrupt Sharing" option in the "Settings" tab of "Creative SB16 Emulation" properties is checked for the "good" HDD/partition (on the same hardware) that handles "Shut Down" correctly. So, I suspect that this option is not the cause of the problem in my case. But, I think you may have touched on the tip of the iceberg ... I took a look through the Device Manager tab of the "problematic" HDD/partition (on the same hardware) that "Restart" instead of "Shut Down" and the device list does not look clean (there are exclamation points). Although, things work for the most part. After comparing the device lists of both HDDs/partitions, I strongly suspect that the cause of the problem has to with ACPI BIOS vs. PnP BIOS. The "good" HDD/partition uses PnP BIOS. And, the "problematic" HDD/partition uses ACPI BIOS. Anyone know if it is possible to convert from ACPI BIOS to PnP BIOS? If so, how? Here is the problematic parts of the device list: Floppy disk controllers: - Standard Floppy Disk Controller - "!" Standard Floppy Disk Controller Infrared devices: not sure why this group is there - Infrared Communication Device - Infrared Communication Device - Infrared Communication Device - Infrared Communication Device Keyboard: - Standard 101/102 - Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard - "!" Standard 101 / 102 - Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard Network adapters: - 3Com EtherLink 10/100 PCI For Complete PC Management NIC (3C905C-TX) - Dial-Up Adapter - "!" Infrared PnP Serial Port (*PNP0510) Ports (COM & LPT): - "!" Communications Port - "!" Communications Port - Communications Port (COM1) - Communications Port (COM2) - "!" ECP Printer Port - "!" Printer Port - Printer Port (LPT1) - Virtual Infrared COM Port - Virtual Infrared LPT Port System devices: - "!" ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering - "!" ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering - "!" ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering - "!" ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering - ACPI System Button - Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) BIOS - Composite Power Source - Direct memory access controller - "!" Direct memory access controller - IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator - Motherboard resources - Motherboard resources - Numeric data processor - PCI bus - "!" PCI bus - Processor support - Programmable interrupt controller - SCI IRQ used by ACPI bus - System board - System board extension for ACPI BIOS - System CMOS/real time clock - System speaker - System timer - VIA CPU to AGP controller - VIA standard CPU to PCI Bridge - VIA Tech VT82C686 PCI to ISA bridge - VIA Tech VT82C686 Power Management Controller My system consists of the following: Motherboard: Asus A7V133 rev 1.05. CPU: AMD Athlon XP 1600+ RAM: 512MB NIC: 3Com 3C905C-TXM Audio: Creative SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 CD-ROM Burner: LiteOn 52x24x52x DVD Drive: Pioneer DVD-116 Display Adapter: Leadtek WinFast GeForce256 DDR 32MB AGP Monitor: ViewSonic P815-4 Printer: HP LaserJet 5 "pjp" wrote in message ... You'll see others mention refer's to a web page for troubleshooting. In my case nothing helped UNTIL I read the comment about "Allow LPT Interupt Sharing" as a sub-checkbox under "Legacy Emulation Enabled" found under "Settings" tab in the "Properties" dialog for my PCI128 soundcard in Device Manager's hardware list. It wasn't until I unchecked said box that the problem went away and she now shuts down or restarts properly as expected "Adam" wrote in message . com... My system is running Win98SE. When I try to "Shut Down", it does a "Restart" instead. "Disable fast shutdown" is already selected. Anyone know how to fix this? -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
My responses are inline ... | "PCR" wrote in message ... | "Adam" wrote in message | om... | | | | I'm not sure why this post didn't come through until today ... | | It's been here since the 5th. Have you got an "OE, Tools menu, Message | Rule" that misbehaves? | | I don't think so ... I haven't used that feature before. Hmm. Then, all I can think is... (a) Sometimes the server malfunctions, but I haven't seen it recently. This is the most likely choice. snip | | | | Anyhow, the "Restart" instead of "Shut Down" problem was | | fixed by replacing ACPI BIOS with PnP BIOS (fail safe). | | For details, see my earlier post (dated 11/9/2004 3:12pm). | | I saw that. It's really beyond my experience. I am "Advanced | Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI)", but IT has an exclamation | (!). However, as there is no Resource Conflict involved, I'm told to let | it be by Windows Help. All the same, some day I may try as you did, | but-- I'm shutting down/restarting faily well enough. (Can't say it's | 100%. If you turn out to be 100% now, please let me know. You & Shep!) | | If 100% means no exclamation, then it's not 100% here. Well, I guess I'll wait a bit, as one exclamation point is as good as another. What about Terhune's post? Do you want it? I will only post such a thing by request ONLY, & notarized! It's 100% (or no exclamation) here now. "System Properties" = "Device Manager" is now clean. Whew! I was able to remove the last exclamation (on "PCI bus") in Device Manager's list of devices by using the "bootlog.txt" file generated from a logged boot to locate the extraneous "PCI bus" entry and remove it from the registry. snip | | - system does not wait for the user to turn off the computer on "Shut | Down" | | I don't understand. Mine shuts itself off. Then, all I need do is turn | off the monitor & speakers. | | Well, based on the message in the "logos.sys" bitmap: | "It's now safe to turn off your computer." | It sounds like the user is suppose to manually power off | the computer rather than just have the message flash before him/her. | | I don't know ... it's no biggy really ... Well, opening them in MSPaint... "Logos.sys" is "It's now safe to turn off your computer". "Logow.sys" is "Windows is shutting down". That's right ... there must be some way (maybe a registry setting or APM) to make the system wait for the user to manually shut down the system after displaying the "s"hut down logo ("Logos.sys"). One of my systems does this. Perhaps the change you did with ACPI BIOS did not go all the way to switch which one gets posted at shutdown. Hmmm ... that's a thought ... I've been looking into "Advanced Power Management support" for the solution. But, I'd be happy to leave well enough alone at this point. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
"Adam" wrote in message
. com... | | "PCR" wrote in message | ... | | "Adam" wrote in message | | om... | | | | | | I'm not sure why this post didn't come through until today ... | | | | It's been here since the 5th. Have you got an "OE, Tools menu, | Message | | Rule" that misbehaves? | | | | I don't think so ... I haven't used that feature before. | | Hmm. Then, all I can think is... | | (a) Sometimes the server malfunctions, but I haven't seen it recently. | | This is the most likely choice. Well, OK. (I've lost my memory of when it showed up for me, now, anyhow.) | | | snip | ....snip | | | | If 100% means no exclamation, then it's not 100% here. | | Well, I guess I'll wait a bit, as one exclamation point is as good as | another. What about Terhune's post? Do you want it? I will only post | such a thing by request ONLY, & notarized! | | It's 100% (or no exclamation) here now. | "System Properties" = "Device Manager" is now clean. Whew! Yow. Excellent. | | I was able to remove the last exclamation (on "PCI bus") in | Device Manager's list of devices by using the | "bootlog.txt" file generated from a logged boot to | locate the extraneous "PCI bus" entry and remove it from the registry. Hmm. Let me have a quick look... [00006F61] Loading PNP drivers of PCI bus (ACPI\*PNP0A03\0) ....Ah, I see. I have just one. Looks a tab inscrutable in the Registry, though. However, I have heard of deleting lines out of the ENUM key before. Good to see it worked for you. | | | snip | | | | - system does not wait for the user to turn off the computer on | "Shut | | Down" | | | | I don't understand. Mine shuts itself off. Then, all I need do is | turn | | off the monitor & speakers. | | | | Well, based on the message in the "logos.sys" bitmap: | | "It's now safe to turn off your computer." | | It sounds like the user is suppose to manually power off | | the computer rather than just have the message flash before him/her. | | | | I don't know ... it's no biggy really ... | | Well, opening them in MSPaint... | "Logos.sys" is "It's now safe to turn off your computer". | "Logow.sys" is "Windows is shutting down". | | That's right ... there must be some way (maybe a registry setting or APM) to | make the system wait for the user to manually shut down the system after | displaying the "s"hut down logo ("Logos.sys"). One of my systems does this. Well... I do recall once/twice seeing LogoS.sys. I wrote them off as unusual enough to ignore. Almost ALWAYS it's LogoW.sys, & the machine turns off. That's the way I like it, & I believe it should be. | | | | Perhaps the change you did with ACPI BIOS did not go all the way to | switch which one gets posted at shutdown. | | Hmmm ... that's a thought ... I've been looking into | "Advanced Power Management support" for the solution. | | But, I'd be happy to leave well enough alone at this point. Could be best, let it be, so long as there is no Auto-Scandisk after. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
| I was able to remove the last exclamation (on "PCI bus") in | Device Manager's list of devices by using the | "bootlog.txt" file generated from a logged boot to | locate the extraneous "PCI bus" entry and remove it from the registry. Hmm. Let me have a quick look... [00006F61] Loading PNP drivers of PCI bus (ACPI\*PNP0A03\0) ...Ah, I see. I have just one. Looks a tab inscrutable in the Registry, though. However, I have heard of deleting lines out of the ENUM key before. Good to see it worked for you. In my case, it was the extraneous driver that loaded successfully preventing the right driver from loading. So, I made a backup of the registry key (*PNPXXXX) by exporting it and then deleted the key. | But, I'd be happy to leave well enough alone at this point. Could be best, let it be, so long as there is no Auto-Scandisk after. No, no auto-scandisk or forced Safe mode boot. "PCR" wrote in message ... "Adam" wrote in message . com... | | "PCR" wrote in message | ... | | "Adam" wrote in message | | om... | | | | | | I'm not sure why this post didn't come through until today ... | | | | It's been here since the 5th. Have you got an "OE, Tools menu, | Message | | Rule" that misbehaves? | | | | I don't think so ... I haven't used that feature before. | | Hmm. Then, all I can think is... | | (a) Sometimes the server malfunctions, but I haven't seen it recently. | | This is the most likely choice. Well, OK. (I've lost my memory of when it showed up for me, now, anyhow.) | | | snip | ...snip | | | | If 100% means no exclamation, then it's not 100% here. | | Well, I guess I'll wait a bit, as one exclamation point is as good as | another. What about Terhune's post? Do you want it? I will only post | such a thing by request ONLY, & notarized! | | It's 100% (or no exclamation) here now. | "System Properties" = "Device Manager" is now clean. Whew! Yow. Excellent. | | I was able to remove the last exclamation (on "PCI bus") in | Device Manager's list of devices by using the | "bootlog.txt" file generated from a logged boot to | locate the extraneous "PCI bus" entry and remove it from the registry. Hmm. Let me have a quick look... [00006F61] Loading PNP drivers of PCI bus (ACPI\*PNP0A03\0) ...Ah, I see. I have just one. Looks a tab inscrutable in the Registry, though. However, I have heard of deleting lines out of the ENUM key before. Good to see it worked for you. | | | snip | | | | - system does not wait for the user to turn off the computer on | "Shut | | Down" | | | | I don't understand. Mine shuts itself off. Then, all I need do is | turn | | off the monitor & speakers. | | | | Well, based on the message in the "logos.sys" bitmap: | | "It's now safe to turn off your computer." | | It sounds like the user is suppose to manually power off | | the computer rather than just have the message flash before him/her. | | | | I don't know ... it's no biggy really ... | | Well, opening them in MSPaint... | "Logos.sys" is "It's now safe to turn off your computer". | "Logow.sys" is "Windows is shutting down". | | That's right ... there must be some way (maybe a registry setting or APM) to | make the system wait for the user to manually shut down the system after | displaying the "s"hut down logo ("Logos.sys"). One of my systems does this. Well... I do recall once/twice seeing LogoS.sys. I wrote them off as unusual enough to ignore. Almost ALWAYS it's LogoW.sys, & the machine turns off. That's the way I like it, & I believe it should be. | | | | Perhaps the change you did with ACPI BIOS did not go all the way to | switch which one gets posted at shutdown. | | Hmmm ... that's a thought ... I've been looking into | "Advanced Power Management support" for the solution. | | But, I'd be happy to leave well enough alone at this point. Could be best, let it be, so long as there is no Auto-Scandisk after. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
"Restart" instead of "Shut Down" | Adam | General | 27 | November 14th 04 03:21 AM |
Windows shut down or restart error message | Paul | General | 1 | September 8th 04 11:29 PM |
can't access .pif | Ron Jacob | General | 13 | September 7th 04 03:23 AM |
A way to remove "Shut down" and leave "Restart"? | TonyR do not reply to - unread mailbox | General | 5 | June 29th 04 02:33 AM |
computer stalls, i.e., have to shut down computer then restart for it to work ag | Eileen | Software & Applications | 1 | June 27th 04 03:35 PM |