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Old December 14th 05, 12:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
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Default Scandisk surface scan - how to clear the flag

I have a 40G Maxtor C: drive which *very* occasionally seems to power down and
restart spontaneously. This is maybe once a month. A flag is obviously set, as
Scandisk (98SE) is invoked at the next boot and not only does the quick scan but
wants to do the full surface scan.

Every time I have let it do the full scan (200+ minutes BTW) it has come up
clean as a whistle. Absolutely nothing found. If I exit the surface scan, the
flag remains set until I eventually relent. The problem is the three and a
half hours of delay.

Without wanting a lecture on why "Windows knows best" and "one day, ..." can
someone tell me if there is a way to prevent Windows wanting to do a surface
scan on these - or other - occasions?
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Old December 14th 05, 12:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
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Default Scandisk surface scan - how to clear the flag

The trick is to prevent the improper shutdown - what makes you think that
this is a problem with the HD??? - it's more likely to be an overheating CPU
or PSU.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

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"budgie" wrote in message
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I have a 40G Maxtor C: drive which *very* occasionally seems to power down
and
restart spontaneously. This is maybe once a month. A flag is obviously
set, as
Scandisk (98SE) is invoked at the next boot and not only does the quick
scan but
wants to do the full surface scan.

Every time I have let it do the full scan (200+ minutes BTW) it has come
up
clean as a whistle. Absolutely nothing found. If I exit the surface
scan, the
flag remains set until I eventually relent. The problem is the three and
a
half hours of delay.

Without wanting a lecture on why "Windows knows best" and "one day, ..."
can
someone tell me if there is a way to prevent Windows wanting to do a
surface
scan on these - or other - occasions?



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Old December 14th 05, 02:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
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Default Scandisk surface scan - how to clear the flag

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:57:27 -0000, "Noel Paton"
wrote:

The trick is to prevent the improper shutdown - what makes you think that
this is a problem with the HD??? - it's more likely to be an overheating CPU
or PSU.


Because it IS a problem with the HDD. If you do want to help, please don't try
to second guess what is happening.

And I realise avoiding the "improper shutdown" would remove the need. Right now
the only sure way to do that is to replace the HDD, but I'd rather (in the short
term at least) fix the Windows obsession with a surface scan.
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Old December 14th 05, 03:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:40:10 +0800, budgie wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:57:27 -0000, "Noel Paton"
wrote:

The trick is to prevent the improper shutdown - what makes you think that
this is a problem with the HD??? - it's more likely to be an overheating CPU
or PSU.


Because it IS a problem with the HDD. If you do want to help, please don't try
to second guess what is happening.

And I realise avoiding the "improper shutdown" would remove the need. Right now
the only sure way to do that is to replace the HDD, but I'd rather (in the short
term at least) fix the Windows obsession with a surface scan.


Found the check-box in MSCONFIG. All sorted.
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Old December 14th 05, 03:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
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I say again - what makes you think the problem is with the HD - It's very
unlikely that it is!(especially since it passes a 3hr+ thorough scan!!)

You can test the HD, using the PowerMax utility at www.maxtor.com - but if
you won't believe advice, you probably won't believe the results of the
test, either so go out and waste your money on an unnecessary HD, and then
find out it's a £5 fan that started sticking which actually caused the
problem.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"budgie" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:57:27 -0000, "Noel Paton"

wrote:

The trick is to prevent the improper shutdown - what makes you think that
this is a problem with the HD??? - it's more likely to be an overheating
CPU
or PSU.


Because it IS a problem with the HDD. If you do want to help, please
don't try
to second guess what is happening.

And I realise avoiding the "improper shutdown" would remove the need.
Right now
the only sure way to do that is to replace the HDD, but I'd rather (in the
short
term at least) fix the Windows obsession with a surface scan.



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Old December 14th 05, 03:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
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"budgie" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:40:10 +0800, budgie wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:57:27 -0000, "Noel Paton"

wrote:

The trick is to prevent the improper shutdown - what makes you think that
this is a problem with the HD??? - it's more likely to be an overheating
CPU
or PSU.


Because it IS a problem with the HDD. If you do want to help, please
don't try
to second guess what is happening.

And I realise avoiding the "improper shutdown" would remove the need.
Right now
the only sure way to do that is to replace the HDD, but I'd rather (in the
short
term at least) fix the Windows obsession with a surface scan.


Found the check-box in MSCONFIG. All sorted.


No - all you're doing now is ignoring the problem!!

YOU NEED TO STOP THE IMPROPER SHUTDOWNS!!!
--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

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Old December 15th 05, 04:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:43:17 -0000, "Noel Paton"
wrote:

I say again - what makes you think the problem is with the HD - It's very
unlikely that it is!(especially since it passes a 3hr+ thorough scan!!)

You can test the HD, using the PowerMax utility at www.maxtor.com - but if
you won't believe advice, you probably won't believe the results of the
test, either so go out and waste your money on an unnecessary HD, and then
find out it's a £5 fan that started sticking which actually caused the
problem.


It IS the HDD. I can hear it drop - sounds like an olde drive head-parking
"clunk" and then I hear it spin up again. On one occasion I was fast enough to
hear the "drop" and get several finger ontgo the underside of the drive, and
felt the effect of reapplication of power to the motor.

The case is open, and I can see the processor fan. Processor temp is reported
at typically 38C - currently days here are in the 20's.

S.M.A.R.T. is enabled and I have run extensive testing with PowerMax. Neither
reports any problem.
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Old December 15th 05, 04:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:44:48 -0000, "Noel Paton"
wrote:


"budgie" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:40:10 +0800, budgie wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:57:27 -0000, "Noel Paton"

wrote:

The trick is to prevent the improper shutdown - what makes you think that
this is a problem with the HD??? - it's more likely to be an overheating
CPU
or PSU.

Because it IS a problem with the HDD. If you do want to help, please
don't try
to second guess what is happening.

And I realise avoiding the "improper shutdown" would remove the need.
Right now
the only sure way to do that is to replace the HDD, but I'd rather (in the
short
term at least) fix the Windows obsession with a surface scan.


Found the check-box in MSCONFIG. All sorted.


No - all you're doing now is ignoring the problem!!



The problem is that there is NO PROBLEM FOUND when Windows Scandisk does it's
quickscan and surface scan. No smoking gun.

YOU NEED TO STOP THE IMPROPER SHUTDOWNS!!!


I agree, but until I replace the drive I have needed a way to prevent
redundant/pointless surface scans at inopportune times.
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Old December 15th 05, 04:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:04:59 +0800, budgie wrote:

The problem is that there is NO PROBLEM FOUND when Windows Scandisk does it's
quickscan and surface scan. No smoking gun.

YOU NEED TO STOP THE IMPROPER SHUTDOWNS!!!


I agree, but until I replace the drive I have needed a way to prevent
redundant/pointless surface scans at inopportune times.


Running Scandisk /fix may remove the flag.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

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Old December 15th 05, 06:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:57:08 -0500, Bill Watt
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:04:59 +0800, budgie wrote:

The problem is that there is NO PROBLEM FOUND when Windows Scandisk does it's
quickscan and surface scan. No smoking gun.

YOU NEED TO STOP THE IMPROPER SHUTDOWNS!!!


I agree, but until I replace the drive I have needed a way to prevent
redundant/pointless surface scans at inopportune times.


Running Scandisk /fix may remove the flag.


Oooops,

That's Scanreg /fix. As I remember it would remove the flag for the
Surface Scan but not for the normal scan.

Regards,

Bill Watt
Computer Help and Information http://home.ptd.net/~bwatt/

 




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