If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
2nd hard drive, master or slave
Have an older Dell with small hard drive and plan to install a 2nd,
larger HD for file storage and leave the OS and programs right where they are in/on the smaller existing HD. Haven't done anything yet but look inside. Which is the master and which is the slave? Which one on the end of the IDE cable and which one in the middle? Looks like I might have to move the original HD to the extra slot and put the 2nd HD in the original slot to get the IDE connectors to line up without having to put a tight twist in the cable. Am I just asking for trouble? Just keep using more CDs? Dell Optiplex, Windows 98 SE, Pent II, 400 mhz, 6.5 G HD, solid, stable, no problems except for file storage. Thanks for any advice. Keith |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
2nd hard drive, master or slave
Assign the original drive as the master and the new one as a slave. Unless
you use cable select for your jumper pin settings, it makes no difference where the drives are connected on the ribbon cable. If you use cable select, the master goes on the end and the slave in the middle. It makes no difference where the drives are mounted in the case either. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "keith" wrote in message ... Have an older Dell with small hard drive and plan to install a 2nd, larger HD for file storage and leave the OS and programs right where they are in/on the smaller existing HD. Haven't done anything yet but look inside. Which is the master and which is the slave? Which one on the end of the IDE cable and which one in the middle? Looks like I might have to move the original HD to the extra slot and put the 2nd HD in the original slot to get the IDE connectors to line up without having to put a tight twist in the cable. Am I just asking for trouble? Just keep using more CDs? Dell Optiplex, Windows 98 SE, Pent II, 400 mhz, 6.5 G HD, solid, stable, no problems except for file storage. Thanks for any advice. Keith |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
2nd hard drive, master or slave
It is a worthwhile endeavor to connect a second hard drive. You will be able to keep a safe full system backup on it that is bootable in case the original hard drive dies. Why wait until then to get it, like I did?
Is that a...?... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...lance&n=541966 Dell Optiplex GX1 Desktop (400-MHz Pentium II, 128 MB RAM, 6.4 GB hard drive) + Dell 17" Monitor What size is the 2nd hard drive you mean to get? Because you only have 6.4 GB now, it may be your BIOS has a GB barrier to overcome. See what you can figure about that at... http://support.dell.com/support/topi...555&l=en&s=biz DELL Support I believe they may have a BIOS flash for you, if you haven't taken it yet. (But careful with that.) Also, careful with taking a drive overlay which also can overcome a GB barrier. A third option to overcome a GB barrier would be to install a Promise Ultra ATA Adapter Card. Do you already know what GB hard drive your computer can take? -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "keith" wrote in message ... | Have an older Dell with small hard drive and plan to install a 2nd, | larger HD for file storage and leave the OS and programs right where they | are in/on the smaller existing HD. | Haven't done anything yet but look inside. | Which is the master and which is the slave? | Which one on the end of the IDE cable and which one in the middle? | Looks like I might have to move the original HD to the extra slot and | put the 2nd HD in the original slot to get the IDE connectors to line up | without having to put a tight twist in the cable. | Am I just asking for trouble? | Just keep using more CDs? | | Dell Optiplex, Windows 98 SE, Pent II, 400 mhz, 6.5 G HD, solid, | stable, no problems except for file storage. | | Thanks for any advice. Keith | | |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
2nd hard drive, master or slave
"keith" wrote in message
... Have an older Dell with small hard drive and plan to install a 2nd, larger HD for file storage and leave the OS and programs right where they are in/on the smaller existing HD. Haven't done anything yet but look inside. Which is the master and which is the slave? Which one on the end of the IDE cable and which one in the middle? Looks like I might have to move the original HD to the extra slot and put the 2nd HD in the original slot to get the IDE connectors to line up without having to put a tight twist in the cable. Am I just asking for trouble? Just keep using more CDs? Dell Optiplex, Windows 98 SE, Pent II, 400 mhz, 6.5 G HD, solid, stable, no problems except for file storage. Thanks for any advice. Keith Make it easy on yourself. Get an ide card w/ide cable and install instructions. Install it, then, the bigger hard drive connected to that. Should be installed as master (or master-alone if a WD) if connected to such a ide card. This should fix any bios limiting capacity problem the Dell may have with the bigger hard drive. Don't forget to install the driver for windows for the ide card. The ATA spec says the lone drive (master or slave) goes on the end, if slave present, the master goes on the end. Whether cable select or not is of no consequence as it does this configuration on its own using this jumper option. Do not put a jumpered master on the stub (middle) of the ide ribbon cable whether a jumpered slave is present on the cable or not. Newer ide cables are color coded. The blue end connects to the ide card or motherboard. -- Jonny |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
2nd hard drive, master or slave
Please provide references for your info. In my experience, if the drive is
jumpered Master, it can go on either drive connector, no problem. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User "Jonny" wrote in message ... The ATA spec says the lone drive (master or slave) goes on the end, if slave present, the master goes on the end. Whether cable select or not is of no consequence as it does this configuration on its own using this jumper option. Do not put a jumpered master on the stub (middle) of the ide ribbon cable whether a jumpered slave is present on the cable or not. Newer ide cables are color coded. The blue end connects to the ide card or motherboard. -- Jonny |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
2nd hard drive, master or slave
Hi Ron,
If that is true, then why do 40-pin, 80-wire IDE data cables come colour-coded and marked specifically with motherboard, master, and slave connectors.....the master connector being the one on the far end of the drive from the motherboard connector? This is part of the spec for those cables, and does not just refer to Cable Select drive jumpering option AFAIK. moboblue=======slavegray===masterblack You must use this type of cable with UDMA/ATA 66/100/133/150 drives or they will only work at ATA 33 speeds. They should be used with all drives, due to their improved reliability and signal integrity resulting from reduced crosstalk. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... Assign the original drive as the master and the new one as a slave. Unless you use cable select for your jumper pin settings, it makes no difference where the drives are connected on the ribbon cable. If you use cable select, the master goes on the end and the slave in the middle. It makes no difference where the drives are mounted in the case either. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "keith" wrote in message ... Have an older Dell with small hard drive and plan to install a 2nd, larger HD for file storage and leave the OS and programs right where they are in/on the smaller existing HD. Haven't done anything yet but look inside. Which is the master and which is the slave? Which one on the end of the IDE cable and which one in the middle? Looks like I might have to move the original HD to the extra slot and put the 2nd HD in the original slot to get the IDE connectors to line up without having to put a tight twist in the cable. Am I just asking for trouble? Just keep using more CDs? Dell Optiplex, Windows 98 SE, Pent II, 400 mhz, 6.5 G HD, solid, stable, no problems except for file storage. Thanks for any advice. Keith |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
2nd hard drive, master or slave
My understanding is that if you have only one drive, it is best to place it
at the end of the cable. This hardly nattered pre UDMA, but has become more important as speeds increase. It is included in the ATA standard (I don't know which version it first appeared) and the new high performance cables are colour coded to help people get it right. Of course, that raises the question of which connector do you use when you have only one drive connected and it's configured as slave? My guess would be that it should go at the end of the cable, despite the colour coding.. AFAIK if you have two drives on the cable it doesn't matter which way around they are. The manufacturers will claim that it matters, because they have to deal with issues when people add and remove drives and strange things happen, and for that reason alone maybe it's a good habit to follow the standard. In some cases, it becomes necessary to choose which slot the drives should be installed in, to ensure that the cable can be connected how it's supposed to without excessive twisting, and that can be a nuisance. But with two drives plugged in I can't tell the difference between having them one way around vs the other. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "glee" wrote in message ... Hi Ron, If that is true, then why do 40-pin, 80-wire IDE data cables come colour-coded and marked specifically with motherboard, master, and slave connectors.....the master connector being the one on the far end of the drive from the motherboard connector? This is part of the spec for those cables, and does not just refer to Cable Select drive jumpering option AFAIK. moboblue=======slavegray===masterblack You must use this type of cable with UDMA/ATA 66/100/133/150 drives or they will only work at ATA 33 speeds. They should be used with all drives, due to their improved reliability and signal integrity resulting from reduced crosstalk. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... Assign the original drive as the master and the new one as a slave. Unless you use cable select for your jumper pin settings, it makes no difference where the drives are connected on the ribbon cable. If you use cable select, the master goes on the end and the slave in the middle. It makes no difference where the drives are mounted in the case either. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "keith" wrote in message ... Have an older Dell with small hard drive and plan to install a 2nd, larger HD for file storage and leave the OS and programs right where they are in/on the smaller existing HD. Haven't done anything yet but look inside. Which is the master and which is the slave? Which one on the end of the IDE cable and which one in the middle? Looks like I might have to move the original HD to the extra slot and put the 2nd HD in the original slot to get the IDE connectors to line up without having to put a tight twist in the cable. Am I just asking for trouble? Just keep using more CDs? Dell Optiplex, Windows 98 SE, Pent II, 400 mhz, 6.5 G HD, solid, stable, no problems except for file storage. Thanks for any advice. Keith |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
2nd hard drive, master or slave
Jeff Richards wrote:
My understanding is that if you have only one drive, it is best to place it at the end of the cable. This hardly nattered pre UDMA, but has become more important as speeds increase. It is included in the ATA standard (I don't know which version it first appeared) and the new high performance cables are colour coded to help people get it right. Of course, that raises the question of which connector do you use when you have only one drive connected and it's configured as slave? My guess would be that it should go at the end of the cable, despite the colour coding.. Snicker, one drive connected and set as slave. I read that one drive connected to a cable with 2 drive connectors shouldn't be used, although you can use it they recommend a single drive cable so you don't have an open terminal hanging loose which has a potential for problems. AFAIK if you have two drives on the cable it doesn't matter which way around they are. The manufacturers will claim that it matters, because they have to deal with issues when people add and remove drives and strange things happen, and for that reason alone maybe it's a good habit to follow the standard. In some cases, it becomes necessary to choose which slot the drives should be installed in, to ensure that the cable can be connected how it's supposed to without excessive twisting, and that can be a nuisance. But with two drives plugged in I can't tell the difference between having them one way around vs the other. As far as CS goes with 80 wire cables: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS-c.html quote To use cable select, both devices on the channel are set to the "cable select" (CS) setting, usually by a special jumper. Then, a special cable is used. This cable is very similar in most respects to the regular IDE/ATA cable, except for the CSEL signal. CSEL is carried on wire #28 of the standard IDE/ATA cable, and is grounded at the host's connector (the one that attaches to the motherboard or controller). On a cable select cable, one of the connectors (the "master connector") has pin #28 connected through to the cable, but the other (the "slave connector") has an open circuit on that pin (no connection). When both drives on the channel are set cable select, here's what happens: Master: The device that is attached to the "master connector" sees the CSEL signal as grounded, because its connector has pin #28 attached to the cable, and the host's connector has that signal grounded. Seeing the "zero value" (grounded), the device sets itself to operate as master (device 0). Slave: The drive that is attached to the "slave connector" does not see the CSEL signal as grounded, because its connector is not attached to the CSEL signal on the cable. Seeing this "no connection", the device configures itself as a slave (device 1). If you switch the devices between the two connectors, they swap configuration, the master becoming the slave and vice-versa. /quote -- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 Hi Ron, If that is true, then why do 40-pin, 80-wire IDE data cables come colour-coded and marked specifically with motherboard, master, and slave connectors.....the master connector being the one on the far end of the drive from the motherboard connector? This is part of the spec for those cables, and does not just refer to Cable Select drive jumpering option AFAIK. moboblue=======slavegray===masterblack You must use this type of cable with UDMA/ATA 66/100/133/150 drives or they will only work at ATA 33 speeds. They should be used with all drives, due to their improved reliability and signal integrity resulting from reduced crosstalk. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... Assign the original drive as the master and the new one as a slave. Unless you use cable select for your jumper pin settings, it makes no difference where the drives are connected on the ribbon cable. If you use cable select, the master goes on the end and the slave in the middle. It makes no difference where the drives are mounted in the case either. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "keith" wrote in message ... Have an older Dell with small hard drive and plan to install a 2nd, larger HD for file storage and leave the OS and programs right where they are in/on the smaller existing HD. Haven't done anything yet but look inside. Which is the master and which is the slave? Which one on the end of the IDE cable and which one in the middle? Looks like I might have to move the original HD to the extra slot and put the 2nd HD in the original slot to get the IDE connectors to line up without having to put a tight twist in the cable. Am I just asking for trouble? Just keep using more CDs? Dell Optiplex, Windows 98 SE, Pent II, 400 mhz, 6.5 G HD, solid, stable, no problems except for file storage. Thanks for any advice. Keith |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
2nd hard drive, master or slave
Hi Glen
I suppose one should follow the color coded "rules" for cables you point out; however, in practice, I see no difference when using the master/slave jumper pin settings. (Note: While the drive connectors are the same, the mobo connector is different than the other two.) As a matter of interest, I have two 80 wire cables that are not specifically marked as you say: one is not marked at all and the other says HD1 at the end and DR2 in the middle. Both have the color coded connectors however. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "glee" wrote in message ... Hi Ron, If that is true, then why do 40-pin, 80-wire IDE data cables come colour-coded and marked specifically with motherboard, master, and slave connectors.....the master connector being the one on the far end of the drive from the motherboard connector? This is part of the spec for those cables, and does not just refer to Cable Select drive jumpering option AFAIK. moboblue=======slavegray===masterblack You must use this type of cable with UDMA/ATA 66/100/133/150 drives or they will only work at ATA 33 speeds. They should be used with all drives, due to their improved reliability and signal integrity resulting from reduced crosstalk. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... Assign the original drive as the master and the new one as a slave. Unless you use cable select for your jumper pin settings, it makes no difference where the drives are connected on the ribbon cable. If you use cable select, the master goes on the end and the slave in the middle. It makes no difference where the drives are mounted in the case either. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "keith" wrote in message ... Have an older Dell with small hard drive and plan to install a 2nd, larger HD for file storage and leave the OS and programs right where they are in/on the smaller existing HD. Haven't done anything yet but look inside. Which is the master and which is the slave? Which one on the end of the IDE cable and which one in the middle? Looks like I might have to move the original HD to the extra slot and put the 2nd HD in the original slot to get the IDE connectors to line up without having to put a tight twist in the cable. Am I just asking for trouble? Just keep using more CDs? Dell Optiplex, Windows 98 SE, Pent II, 400 mhz, 6.5 G HD, solid, stable, no problems except for file storage. Thanks for any advice. Keith |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
2nd hard drive, master or slave
OK, thanks Ron, for the real-world clarification.
-- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... Hi Glen I suppose one should follow the color coded "rules" for cables you point out; however, in practice, I see no difference when using the master/slave jumper pin settings. (Note: While the drive connectors are the same, the mobo connector is different than the other two.) As a matter of interest, I have two 80 wire cables that are not specifically marked as you say: one is not marked at all and the other says HD1 at the end and DR2 in the middle. Both have the color coded connectors however. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "glee" wrote in message ... Hi Ron, If that is true, then why do 40-pin, 80-wire IDE data cables come colour-coded and marked specifically with motherboard, master, and slave connectors.....the master connector being the one on the far end of the drive from the motherboard connector? This is part of the spec for those cables, and does not just refer to Cable Select drive jumpering option AFAIK. moboblue=======slavegray===masterblack You must use this type of cable with UDMA/ATA 66/100/133/150 drives or they will only work at ATA 33 speeds. They should be used with all drives, due to their improved reliability and signal integrity resulting from reduced crosstalk. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... Assign the original drive as the master and the new one as a slave. Unless you use cable select for your jumper pin settings, it makes no difference where the drives are connected on the ribbon cable. If you use cable select, the master goes on the end and the slave in the middle. It makes no difference where the drives are mounted in the case either. -- Regards Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "keith" wrote in message ... Have an older Dell with small hard drive and plan to install a 2nd, larger HD for file storage and leave the OS and programs right where they are in/on the smaller existing HD. Haven't done anything yet but look inside. Which is the master and which is the slave? Which one on the end of the IDE cable and which one in the middle? Looks like I might have to move the original HD to the extra slot and put the 2nd HD in the original slot to get the IDE connectors to line up without having to put a tight twist in the cable. Am I just asking for trouble? Just keep using more CDs? Dell Optiplex, Windows 98 SE, Pent II, 400 mhz, 6.5 G HD, solid, stable, no problems except for file storage. Thanks for any advice. Keith |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Primary IDE Controller Error | Mathers | General | 51 | August 5th 06 12:22 AM |
Tosh Satellite Bios gone bye bye? | bry | General | 18 | March 7th 06 09:55 PM |
Large Hard Drive on Promise Card Doesn't Work | Ken Dibble | General | 46 | December 31st 05 06:04 AM |
registry problem. | Mark Garron | General | 13 | May 18th 05 03:38 PM |
Second Hdd Problem | jane | General | 38 | March 8th 05 08:13 PM |