upgrade w/o oem?

To my favorite MVP's: Would like to upgrade from Win98se to XP Pro.
Is it possible to do without the 'sneaky stuff' included by the maker
of the computer (HP)? Will also consider the 'full' version of XP. I
do not like the 'treatment' I've been getting between HP and
Microsoft. I expect better treatment by being a 'continuing
customer' with Microsoft, and 'seperating' the two of them. Please be
gentle. Especially 'radiated' PCR.

If your HP did not come with XP, it may not be able to take the
radiation. It may not even survive the XP-tester!

SO... BETTER make a full system backup before trying. Would you like my
list of full system backup apps? OK, here it is...

Once you have a functioning system, especially one close to a clean
install, do a full system backup. If you have multiple partitions, I
guess a backup is a bit more complex. It depends upon the ties between
the Registry & the other partitions, as to whether they must be backed
up concurrently. Also, if you've changed the hardware since the backup,
you may need to change it back before a restore.

http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning strategy
http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage
http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver
http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, freely
downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.)
Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you
dare. Free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To
install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)
http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial)
http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport...&p=hpcdwriter2
Simple Backup
http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)
http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a $20
yearly charge now.
http://www.pcinspector.de/clone-maxx/uk/welcome.htm PC Inspector
http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic
http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager
http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Backups
http://www.stompinc.com/bump/bump_details.phtml?stp Backup MyPC
http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
http://www.tomsterdam.com/ BU process, performance, etc.
http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander
http://www.veritas.com Backup apps
http://www.xxcopy.com/ Yabumoto's Detailed Procedure Copy (Free)
http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)

All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully
and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on it.
If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and do a
Scandisk/Defrag.

http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert
http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version

Those two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such
that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a favorable
report/three-- & one (by Glee) that was so-so (or worse). SO, BETTER
make a full system backup, before wiping Windows.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"itnute" wrote in message
...
| To my favorite MVP's: Would like to upgrade from Win98se to XP Pro.
| Is it possible to do without the 'sneaky stuff' included by the maker
| of the computer (HP)? Will also consider the 'full' version of XP. I
| do not like the 'treatment' I've been getting between HP and
| Microsoft. I expect better treatment by being a 'continuing
| customer' with Microsoft, and 'seperating' the two of them. Please be
| gentle. Especially 'radiated' PCR.
|
|

And I'll start your obituary in the morning, itnute!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"itnute" wrote in message
...
| To my favorite MVP's: Would like to upgrade from Win98se to XP Pro.
| Is it possible to do without the 'sneaky stuff' included by the maker
| of the computer (HP)? Will also consider the 'full' version of XP. I
| do not like the 'treatment' I've been getting between HP and
| Microsoft. I expect better treatment by being a 'continuing
| customer' with Microsoft, and 'seperating' the two of them. Please be
| gentle. Especially 'radiated' PCR.
|
|

First of all, run the upgrade tester...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsme/upgrade.asp
should run in Win98, despite the source! g


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"itnute" wrote in message
...
To my favorite MVP's: Would like to upgrade from Win98se to XP Pro.
Is it possible to do without the 'sneaky stuff' included by the maker
of the computer (HP)? Will also consider the 'full' version of XP. I
do not like the 'treatment' I've been getting between HP and
Microsoft. I expect better treatment by being a 'continuing
customer' with Microsoft, and 'seperating' the two of them. Please be
gentle. Especially 'radiated' PCR.

Thank you PCR, you have just added to my nervous breakdown. Bad
boy!!!
"PCR" wrote in message
...
If your HP did not come with XP, it may not be able to take the
radiation. It may not even survive the XP-tester!

SO... BETTER make a full system backup before trying. Would you like
my
list of full system backup apps? OK, here it is...

Once you have a functioning system, especially one close to a clean
install, do a full system backup. If you have multiple partitions, I
guess a backup is a bit more complex. It depends upon the ties
between
the Registry & the other partitions, as to whether they must be
backed
up concurrently. Also, if you've changed the hardware since the
backup,
you may need to change it back before a restore.

http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning
strategy
http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage
http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver
http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD. (TBIView,
freely
downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.)
Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you
dare. Free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To
install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)
http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial)

http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport...&p=hpcdwriter2
Simple Backup
http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)
http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a
$20
yearly charge now.
http://www.pcinspector.de/clone-maxx/uk/welcome.htm PC Inspector
http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic
http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager
http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Backups
http://www.stompinc.com/bump/bump_details.phtml?stp Backup MyPC
http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
http://www.tomsterdam.com/ BU process, performance, etc.
http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander
http://www.veritas.com Backup apps
http://www.xxcopy.com/ Yabumoto's Detailed Procedure Copy (Free)
http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)

All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it
carefully
and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on
it.
If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and do
a
Scandisk/Defrag.

http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert
http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version

Those two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such
that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a
favorable
report/three-- & one (by Glee) that was so-so (or worse). SO, BETTER
make a full system backup, before wiping Windows.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"itnute" wrote in message
...
| To my favorite MVP's: Would like to upgrade from Win98se to XP
Pro.
| Is it possible to do without the 'sneaky stuff' included by the
maker
| of the computer (HP)? Will also consider the 'full' version of XP.
I
| do not like the 'treatment' I've been getting between HP and
| Microsoft. I expect better treatment by being a 'continuing
| customer' with Microsoft, and 'seperating' the two of them.
Please be
| gentle. Especially 'radiated' PCR.
|
|

Mr. Paton, I don't understand your ME recommendation. How does it
figure in an XP upgrade?
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"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
First of all, run the upgrade tester...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsme/upgrade.asp
should run in Win98, despite the source! g


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"itnute" wrote in message
...
To my favorite MVP's: Would like to upgrade from Win98se to XP
Pro.
Is it possible to do without the 'sneaky stuff' included by the
maker
of the computer (HP)? Will also consider the 'full' version of XP.
I
do not like the 'treatment' I've been getting between HP and
Microsoft. I expect better treatment by being a 'continuing
customer' with Microsoft, and 'seperating' the two of them.
Please be
gentle. Especially 'radiated' PCR.

The radiation has spread to Minnesota PCR! HELP!

--
Curt

http://dundats.mvps.org/
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
http://www.aumha.org/
"PCR" wrote in message
...
And I'll start your obituary in the morning, itnute!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"itnute" wrote in message
...
| To my favorite MVP's: Would like to upgrade from Win98se to XP Pro.
| Is it possible to do without the 'sneaky stuff' included by the maker
| of the computer (HP)? Will also consider the 'full' version of XP. I
| do not like the 'treatment' I've been getting between HP and
| Microsoft. I expect better treatment by being a 'continuing
| customer' with Microsoft, and 'seperating' the two of them. Please be
| gentle. Especially 'radiated' PCR.
|
|

Try this one:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/advisor.mspx
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"itnute" wrote in message
...
Mr. Paton, I don't understand your ME recommendation. How does it
figure in an XP upgrade?
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"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
First of all, run the upgrade tester...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsme/upgrade.asp
should run in Win98, despite the source! g


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"itnute" wrote in message
...
To my favorite MVP's: Would like to upgrade from Win98se to XP
Pro.
Is it possible to do without the 'sneaky stuff' included by the
maker
of the computer (HP)? Will also consider the 'full' version of XP.
I
do not like the 'treatment' I've been getting between HP and
Microsoft. I expect better treatment by being a 'continuing
customer' with Microsoft, and 'seperating' the two of them.
Please be
gentle. Especially 'radiated' PCR.

Did you even bother reading the link? - all advice there is also applicable
to Win98 upgrades to XP

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"itnute" wrote in message
...
Mr. Paton, I don't understand your ME recommendation. How does it
figure in an XP upgrade?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
First of all, run the upgrade tester...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsme/upgrade.asp
should run in Win98, despite the source! g


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"itnute" wrote in message
...
To my favorite MVP's: Would like to upgrade from Win98se to XP
Pro.
Is it possible to do without the 'sneaky stuff' included by the
maker
of the computer (HP)? Will also consider the 'full' version of XP.
I
do not like the 'treatment' I've been getting between HP and
Microsoft. I expect better treatment by being a 'continuing
customer' with Microsoft, and 'seperating' the two of them.
Please be
gentle. Especially 'radiated' PCR.

Yes Mr. Paton, I 'bothered' to read the link. It is exasparting to
wade through tons of information trying to find info for Win98. It is
being systematically ignored. I may have missed that sentence that
said "This also applies to Windows 98se." Initially, I was told by Hp
support that my system would support XP. I ran the check for
eligibility---got bad report. Since I am not one to give up without
'clarification', I still seek.
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"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Did you even bother reading the link? - all advice there is also
applicable
to Win98 upgrades to XP

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's
"itnute" wrote in message
...
Mr. Paton, I don't understand your ME recommendation. How does it
figure in an XP upgrade?

--------------------------------------------------------------------
--
---------------------------------
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
First of all, run the upgrade tester...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsme/upgrade.asp
should run in Win98, despite the source! g


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
to
NG's
"itnute" wrote in message
...
To my favorite MVP's: Would like to upgrade from Win98se to XP
Pro.
Is it possible to do without the 'sneaky stuff' included by the
maker
of the computer (HP)? Will also consider the 'full' version of
XP.
I
do not like the 'treatment' I've been getting between HP and
Microsoft. I expect better treatment by being a 'continuing
customer' with Microsoft, and 'seperating' the two of them.
Please be
gentle. Especially 'radiated' PCR.