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Old November 11th 08, 11:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Corday[_3_]
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I'm tired of hearing Vista is the new ME (98 3rd edition?) being used to
"slam" the OS's. Both are fine for the time they were put on the market. It's
the user that has the problem. In a day and age when nobody is to blame for
anything, why not pin it on the machine? When Windows 7 comes out we'll hear
the same cries all over again.
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Old November 12th 08, 12:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Mike M
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It's the user that has the problem.

In many cases this is true however both Win Me and Vista suffered from a
common problem when launched, that is a lack of drivers for pre-existing
hardware. Whilst this is now not so true with Vista, many companies chose
not to release drivers for Win Me as they instead moved to concentrate on
the then soon to be released XP.
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Corday wrote:

I'm tired of hearing Vista is the new ME (98 3rd edition?) being used
to "slam" the OS's. Both are fine for the time they were put on the
market. It's the user that has the problem. In a day and age when
nobody is to blame for anything, why not pin it on the machine? When
Windows 7 comes out we'll hear the same cries all over again.


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Old November 12th 08, 04:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Shane
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"Corday" wrote in message
...
I'm tired of hearing Vista is the new ME (98 3rd edition?)


I forget who I read a day or two ago, but they described Me as 95 Fifth
Edition. I think that is probably a truly accurate way to look at 9x
history, i.e. taking the long view as allowed now that it's all so very,
very long ago! I type from 95 First Edition, which is finally running and
online in VPC 2007 sp1, on a 2.2 GHz Athlon! Though I expect a BSOD just as
soon as AVG has updated.

As someone who corruscates when things take a couple of seconds to initiate,
I can appreciate the end of the hardware being so powerful and the software
so well written that everything happens instantaneously henceforth, also
that Microsoft do have to evolve the concept in order to keep selling new
versions and thus remain in business (and they are not even as parasitic as
the Marxian notion that is undoubtedly true, that Capitalism requires
continually selling us that which we don't need, thus making us believe that
we do need it. Windows has transformed the world, is a significant
development of Human Evolution - unlike the throwback Sarah Palin - but I
wish to foch they'd taken whoever it was came up with UAC out and put them
up against a wall.


Shane


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Old November 12th 08, 06:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
MowGreen [MVP]
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Shane wrote:



I forget who I read a day or two ago, but they described Me as 95 Fifth
Edition. I think that is probably a truly accurate way to look at 9x
history, i.e. taking the long view as allowed now that it's all so very,
very long ago! I type from 95 First Edition, which is finally running and
online in VPC 2007 sp1, on a 2.2 GHz Athlon! Though I expect a BSOD just as
soon as AVG has updated.

As someone who corruscates when things take a couple of seconds to initiate,
I can appreciate the end of the hardware being so powerful and the software
so well written that everything happens instantaneously henceforth, also
that Microsoft do have to evolve the concept in order to keep selling new
versions and thus remain in business (and they are not even as parasitic as
the Marxian notion that is undoubtedly true, that Capitalism requires
continually selling us that which we don't need, thus making us believe that
we do need it. Windows has transformed the world, is a significant
development of Human Evolution - unlike the throwback Sarah Palin - but I
wish to foch they'd taken whoever it was came up with UAC out and put them
up against a wall.


Shane


Parah Salin is back in Alaska hunting for terrorists w

I've heard that someone from the 'nix universe has helped to tame the
UAC prompts in Vista -
http://security.blogs.techtarget.com...crispin-cowan/

UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w


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Old November 13th 08, 04:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Joan Archer[_2_]
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I have no problems with it in Vista g

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"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message
...

UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w


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Old November 13th 08, 04:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Shane
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Parah Salin is back in Alaska hunting for terrorists w


I guess the GOP told her they were an endangered species?

I've heard that someone from the 'nix universe has helped to tame the
UAC prompts in Vista -
http://security.blogs.techtarget.com...crispin-cowan/


For a moment there I wondered what a hi-res Linux Security Guru was!

UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w


Actually I am fairly sure I was able to disable it in Home Premium - or when
I was setting that one up I'd probably have thrown the computer through the
window, eventually. I suspect that is where the name comes from and it was
just seredipity that the boxes one worked with in the GUI were kind of
window-like too. So if you can disable it in Home Premium - and therefore
Home Basic (?), one I have zero experience of - then what annoys the seventh
circle out of me is the attitude that puts UAC there in the first place.

And just in case anyone cares, yes Windows 95 original began blue screening
one AVG was half updated. And I spent all last night setting OSR2 up to it's
own drive as opposed to in VPC, and it was doing really well until the
keyboard went crazy. I figured the fact it is a USB keyboard (and mouse. And
modem if the router should pack up. Etc) then perhaps I should install the
USB patches, at which point the blue screening started in that one, too. I'd
already performed open heart surgery to remove the firewall drivers, to get
it booting again. So sad when for long periods (i.e. hours!) it was running
pretty sweet. Indeed, 98se goes much the same way if I try to install the HP
drivers. The only problem Me seems to have - apart from the glaring
security-related ones - is the old more-than-a-gig-of-RAM one that we know
how to fix. But I don't suppose it will be long before no modern computer
will run any version of 9x, not through any design of Microsoft, but because
the hardware is just too powerful.

So I bury 95, but take 98se some grapes (but eat them myself).


Shane


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Old November 13th 08, 04:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Shane
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Joan Archer wrote:
I have no problems with it in Vista g


You mean you've got it turned off, Joan?

If not, then you can't do much tinkering. Whereas that is almost all I do
do. I poked some people with a stick over that in the Vista group (when I
briefly visited, until realizing it was like xpgeneral only more so) in
support of the guy there getting all the flak for not being a sheep. And it
is a long time since I mentioned those, eh Joan! Though now I feel guilty
for besmirching the name of the fair bovine whatsit!

The point being that like any mechanic, tinkering is what I do, which makes
it a legitimate use of the computer, just as of the car or bike (or boat or
aircraft). Yet the majority do not do this - they pay or cajole others to
maintain and fix their pieces of technology for them. And when that
technology is altered in a way that doesn't really affect them - i.e.
because they never look under the hood - they think it is fine and don't
care a tinker's cuss for the struggling artist. Or rather for the ones who
want to know how things work and not be nannied, and be self-reliant rather
than afraid.

I'm not implying you do this - I know you know a lot about Windows, far more
than the average Josephine. But I think it is really very bad when people
just accept whatever they're handed from on high and dismiss the objections
of those who actually think about it as the irrelevent bleatings (there we
go again!) of a minority who are anti-social enough not to do exactly the
same as everybody else.

From a lifetime of thinking about the problems we face I have no doubt that
they are caused by the lazy, unthinking majority who just allow what is good
to be bulldozed in the name of progress or profit and the promise of an easy
life. UAC is just a signpost - or possibly a milestone - on the inexorable
path to the belated 1984. One could almost imagine the world of The Matrix
coming to pass, except that it won't be the machines that do it, it's be the
likes of Tony Blair, his incumbent lover in the White House and their
supporters.






"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message
...

UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w


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Old November 13th 08, 09:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
TomV
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MowGreen [MVP] wrote:

snip


UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w


There's TweakUAC. I've not used it myself. It has a "quiet mode"
setting that keeps UAC on without the prompts.

http://www.tweak-uac.com/home/



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Old November 14th 08, 12:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
MowGreen [MVP]
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@Shane:

There are several differing means for taming UAC but disabling it
negates what it was intended to do in the first place ... force software
vendors to write software that doesn't require Admin privileges to run.
The User Accounts can then be run in Limited User modes mitigating
malware exposure. Data I've seen so far supports that theory.
Vista Users as a whole have a much less incidence of infection vs. XP Users.
Also, disabling UAC can cause installation/functionality issues with
some newer software that meets the above Limited User criteria.

But then again, it's your system. Do what you want with it. w

MG



TomV wrote:

MowGreen [MVP] wrote:

snip


UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w



There's TweakUAC. I've not used it myself. It has a "quiet mode"
setting that keeps UAC on without the prompts.

http://www.tweak-uac.com/home/



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Old November 14th 08, 02:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
webster72n
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Will this give you some consolation, Shane:

http://www.ookii.org/showpost.aspx?post=3 ?

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Joan Archer wrote:
I have no problems with it in Vista g


You mean you've got it turned off, Joan?

If not, then you can't do much tinkering. Whereas that is almost all I do
do. I poked some people with a stick over that in the Vista group (when I
briefly visited, until realizing it was like xpgeneral only more so) in
support of the guy there getting all the flak for not being a sheep. And

it
is a long time since I mentioned those, eh Joan! Though now I feel guilty
for besmirching the name of the fair bovine whatsit!

The point being that like any mechanic, tinkering is what I do, which

makes
it a legitimate use of the computer, just as of the car or bike (or boat

or
aircraft). Yet the majority do not do this - they pay or cajole others to
maintain and fix their pieces of technology for them. And when that
technology is altered in a way that doesn't really affect them - i.e.
because they never look under the hood - they think it is fine and don't
care a tinker's cuss for the struggling artist. Or rather for the ones who
want to know how things work and not be nannied, and be self-reliant

rather
than afraid.

I'm not implying you do this - I know you know a lot about Windows, far

more
than the average Josephine. But I think it is really very bad when people
just accept whatever they're handed from on high and dismiss the

objections
of those who actually think about it as the irrelevent bleatings (there we
go again!) of a minority who are anti-social enough not to do exactly the
same as everybody else.

From a lifetime of thinking about the problems we face I have no doubt

that
they are caused by the lazy, unthinking majority who just allow what is

good
to be bulldozed in the name of progress or profit and the promise of an

easy
life. UAC is just a signpost - or possibly a milestone - on the inexorable
path to the belated 1984. One could almost imagine the world of The Matrix
coming to pass, except that it won't be the machines that do it, it's be

the
likes of Tony Blair, his incumbent lover in the White House and their
supporters.






"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message
...

UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============





 




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