System restore question

I am trying to change system restore allocation size in file
system properties by moving the slider. It is currently set at
200 mb and when I try to move the slider I get "insufficient disk
space". Well that doesn't make sense cause I have a 80 g hard
drive (74.5) with 63.9gb free, 10.5 used. Does this mean I have a
corrupted restore file? I was about to flush my restore file, but
thought I'd ask first. I have a Dell Dimension L733r with WinMe,
192 mb ram.
I have been having some minor problems lately but I think after
removing a lot of spyware it is okay now. No viruses were found
even in _Restore after updating and running AVG.
Any help appreciated.
Janice


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Janice,

I haven't seen this particular problem reported previously and could well be
due to the system restore GUI (user interface) having problems where the free
space on the drive exceeds 64GB. There are other similar problems including
for examples such as when you view the Virtual Memory tab in System
properties, the hard disk free size is reported as a negative number if your
hard disk has more than 32 gigabytes (GB) of free space. (KB272620 refers).

The problem though could be due to damaged state manager control files so if
your system is reasonably OK at present and are prepared to sacrifice any
existing checkpoints you have you might want to try the following:

My first suggestion is to reset System Resto
System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and check "Disable System
Restore", Apply and IMMEDIATELY reboot. This will flush you restore folder
and erase all checkpoints, then,
System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and uncheck "Disable
System Restore", Apply and again IMMEDIATELY reboot. This should now
automatically create a new checkpoint immediately following the restart.
Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder:
System | Performance | File System | Hard Disk and adjust the restore slider
to your preferred setting. A figure of 200MB is normally more than adequate
for day to day use allowing perhaps a week of checkpoints to be available
although increasing this to perhaps 400MB for a few days during periods of
large installs such Microsoft Office is advisable.

If this doesn't clear down the _restore archive (and it doesn't always when
users have experienced similar problems) the next suggestion is to boot to DOS
using a floppy and delete the entire _RESTORE folder structure from the
a) Boot to DOS using a floppy. Do NOT choose "Minimal Boot" from the menu
when booting from a floppy but rather choose "Start computer with (or without)
CD-ROM support" otherwise the ATTRIB command will not be available.
b) At the DOS A:\ prompt, type:

ATTRIB -H -S -R C:\_RESTORE
REN C:\_RESTORE OLDREST

c) Remove the floppy
d) Reboot your PC
e) Delete the folder C:\OLDREST
f) Check that an automatic system restore checkpoint was created.
g) Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder:

Finally you may want to give system restore the once over by carrying out the
following quick test.
a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file.
b) Create a manual checkpoint
c) Delete the shortcut
d) Restore you PC to the checkpoint you created.
Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages?
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



granjan wrote:

I am trying to change system restore allocation size in file
system properties by moving the slider. It is currently set at
200 mb and when I try to move the slider I get "insufficient disk
space". Well that doesn't make sense cause I have a 80 g hard
drive (74.5) with 63.9gb free, 10.5 used. Does this mean I have a
corrupted restore file? I was about to flush my restore file, but
thought I'd ask first. I have a Dell Dimension L733r with WinMe,
192 mb ram.
I have been having some minor problems lately but I think after
removing a lot of spyware it is okay now. No viruses were found
even in _Restore after updating and running AVG.
Any help appreciated.

Mike,
I followed your advice step by step without any problems, but it
still won't let me adjust space allocated to the restore folder.
I still get "insufficient disk space" when I try to adjust the
slider. The only difference I can see now is in the Virtual
Memory tab in system properties now reports 559mb free instead
of -59mb. I do have a new restore point though.
I read the KB272620 article and I assume this fix is something I
would have to pay for, correct?
Any further suggestions? Do you think this is a big enough
problem for me to pay $35 to get the fix?
Janice

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
| Janice,
|
| I haven't seen this particular problem reported previously and
could well be
| due to the system restore GUI (user interface) having problems
where the free
| space on the drive exceeds 64GB. There are other similar
problems including
| for examples such as when you view the Virtual Memory tab in
System
| properties, the hard disk free size is reported as a negative
number if your
| hard disk has more than 32 gigabytes (GB) of free space.
(KB272620 refers).
|
| The problem though could be due to damaged state manager control
files so if
| your system is reasonably OK at present and are prepared to
sacrifice any
| existing checkpoints you have you might want to try the
following:
|
| My first suggestion is to reset System Resto
| System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and check
"Disable System
| Restore", Apply and IMMEDIATELY reboot. This will flush you
restore folder
| and erase all checkpoints, then,
| System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and uncheck
"Disable
| System Restore", Apply and again IMMEDIATELY reboot. This
should now
| automatically create a new checkpoint immediately following the
restart.
| Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder:
| System | Performance | File System | Hard Disk and adjust the
restore slider
| to your preferred setting. A figure of 200MB is normally more
than adequate
| for day to day use allowing perhaps a week of checkpoints to be
available
| although increasing this to perhaps 400MB for a few days during
periods of
| large installs such Microsoft Office is advisable.
|
| If this doesn't clear down the _restore archive (and it doesn't
always when
| users have experienced similar problems) the next suggestion is
to boot to DOS
| using a floppy and delete the entire _RESTORE folder structure
from the
| a) Boot to DOS using a floppy. Do NOT choose "Minimal Boot"
from the menu
| when booting from a floppy but rather choose "Start computer
with (or without)
| CD-ROM support" otherwise the ATTRIB command will not be
available.
| b) At the DOS A:\ prompt, type:
|
| ATTRIB -H -S -R C:\_RESTORE
| REN C:\_RESTORE OLDREST
|
| c) Remove the floppy
| d) Reboot your PC
| e) Delete the folder C:\OLDREST
| f) Check that an automatic system restore checkpoint was
created.
| g) Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder:
|
| Finally you may want to give system restore the once over by
carrying out the
| following quick test.
| a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file.
| b) Create a manual checkpoint
| c) Delete the shortcut
| d) Restore you PC to the checkpoint you created.
| Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages?
| --
| Mike Maltby MS-MVP
|
|
|
| granjan wrote:
|
| I am trying to change system restore allocation size in file
| system properties by moving the slider. It is currently set
at
| 200 mb and when I try to move the slider I get "insufficient
disk
| space". Well that doesn't make sense cause I have a 80 g hard
| drive (74.5) with 63.9gb free, 10.5 used. Does this mean I
have a
| corrupted restore file? I was about to flush my restore file,
but
| thought I'd ask first. I have a Dell Dimension L733r with
WinMe,
| 192 mb ram.
| I have been having some minor problems lately but I think
after
| removing a lot of spyware it is okay now. No viruses were
found
| even in _Restore after updating and running AVG.
| Any help appreciated.
|


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Janice,

I read the KB272620 article and I assume this fix is something I
would have to pay for, correct?

No. Hotfixes are and will continue to be free. All you need to do is
contact Microsoft (you will have to pay any telecoms charges), mention the
hotfix number, explain the problem (in this case the visual Virtual Memory
problem not that of system restore [which I only mentioned as an example
of a similar problem that I knew about]) and provided that you make no
other request for technical support the call will be free. In the event
of a problem ask to speak to a supervisor.

Personally though I don't feel you need to worry about this as I suspect
the problem will hopefully evaporate as the drive fills up. Personally I
never allow the archive to be allocated more than the minimum 200MB once
I've installed my applications. With 200MB allocated on a stable system I
get around two weeks of check points.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



granjan wrote:

Mike,
I followed your advice step by step without any problems, but it
still won't let me adjust space allocated to the restore folder.
I still get "insufficient disk space" when I try to adjust the
slider. The only difference I can see now is in the Virtual
Memory tab in system properties now reports 559mb free instead
of -59mb. I do have a new restore point though.
I read the KB272620 article and I assume this fix is something I
would have to pay for, correct?
Any further suggestions? Do you think this is a big enough
problem for me to pay $35 to get the fix?

In addition....I recently purchased Partition Magic 8.0 but I
haven't taken time to use it yet. Do you think that if I
partition my HD so there is not so much free space on a particular
drive that this problem would clear up? Just a thought.
Janice

"granjan" wrote in message
...
| Mike,
| I followed your advice step by step without any problems, but it
| still won't let me adjust space allocated to the restore folder.
| I still get "insufficient disk space" when I try to adjust the
| slider. The only difference I can see now is in the Virtual
| Memory tab in system properties now reports 559mb free instead
| of -59mb. I do have a new restore point though.
| I read the KB272620 article and I assume this fix is something I
| would have to pay for, correct?
| Any further suggestions? Do you think this is a big enough
| problem for me to pay $35 to get the fix?
| Janice
|
| "Mike M" wrote in message
| ...
| | Janice,
| |
| | I haven't seen this particular problem reported previously and
| could well be
| | due to the system restore GUI (user interface) having problems
| where the free
| | space on the drive exceeds 64GB. There are other similar
| problems including
| | for examples such as when you view the Virtual Memory tab in
| System
| | properties, the hard disk free size is reported as a negative
| number if your
| | hard disk has more than 32 gigabytes (GB) of free space.
| (KB272620 refers).
| |
| | The problem though could be due to damaged state manager
control
| files so if
| | your system is reasonably OK at present and are prepared to
| sacrifice any
| | existing checkpoints you have you might want to try the
| following:
| |
| | My first suggestion is to reset System Resto
| | System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and check
| "Disable System
| | Restore", Apply and IMMEDIATELY reboot. This will flush you
| restore folder
| | and erase all checkpoints, then,
| | System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and
uncheck
| "Disable
| | System Restore", Apply and again IMMEDIATELY reboot. This
| should now
| | automatically create a new checkpoint immediately following
the
| restart.
| | Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder:
| | System | Performance | File System | Hard Disk and adjust the
| restore slider
| | to your preferred setting. A figure of 200MB is normally
more
| than adequate
| | for day to day use allowing perhaps a week of checkpoints to
be
| available
| | although increasing this to perhaps 400MB for a few days
during
| periods of
| | large installs such Microsoft Office is advisable.
| |
| | If this doesn't clear down the _restore archive (and it
doesn't
| always when
| | users have experienced similar problems) the next suggestion
is
| to boot to DOS
| | using a floppy and delete the entire _RESTORE folder structure
| from the
| | a) Boot to DOS using a floppy. Do NOT choose "Minimal Boot"
| from the menu
| | when booting from a floppy but rather choose "Start computer
| with (or without)
| | CD-ROM support" otherwise the ATTRIB command will not be
| available.
| | b) At the DOS A:\ prompt, type:
| |
| | ATTRIB -H -S -R C:\_RESTORE
| | REN C:\_RESTORE OLDREST
| |
| | c) Remove the floppy
| | d) Reboot your PC
| | e) Delete the folder C:\OLDREST
| | f) Check that an automatic system restore checkpoint was
| created.
| | g) Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder:
| |
| | Finally you may want to give system restore the once over by
| carrying out the
| | following quick test.
| | a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file.
| | b) Create a manual checkpoint
| | c) Delete the shortcut
| | d) Restore you PC to the checkpoint you created.
| | Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages?
| | --
| | Mike Maltby MS-MVP
| |
| |
| |
| | granjan wrote:
| |
| | I am trying to change system restore allocation size in file
| | system properties by moving the slider. It is currently set
| at
| | 200 mb and when I try to move the slider I get "insufficient
| disk
| | space". Well that doesn't make sense cause I have a 80 g
hard
| | drive (74.5) with 63.9gb free, 10.5 used. Does this mean I
| have a
| | corrupted restore file? I was about to flush my restore
file,
| but
| | thought I'd ask first. I have a Dell Dimension L733r with
| WinMe,
| | 192 mb ram.
| | I have been having some minor problems lately but I think
| after
| | removing a lot of spyware it is okay now. No viruses were
| found
| | even in _Restore after updating and running AVG.
| | Any help appreciated.
| |
|
|
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Janice,

Do you think that if I
partition my HD so there is not so much free space on a particular
drive that this problem would clear up?

I suspect that would solve the problem. I unfortunately have no way of
checking as the two PCs here with Win Me installed both have quite small
hard disks and I always keep my system partitions (C:\ drive) small -
normally just 2 or 3GB since I store all data on other partitions such as
the desktop, "My documents" object, Outlook Express message store, etc,
and similarly the Temp and TIF folders, swap file, etc. are all on a
scratch volume.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



granjan wrote:

In addition....I recently purchased Partition Magic 8.0 but I
haven't taken time to use it yet. Do you think that if I
partition my HD so there is not so much free space on a particular
drive that this problem would clear up? Just a thought.

Thanks Mike. I don't think I will try to do any more at this
time. If I ever get time to think about it I will partition my
hard drive and maybe take care of it. I appreciate all your help.
Janice

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
| Janice,
|
| Do you think that if I
| partition my HD so there is not so much free space on a
particular
| drive that this problem would clear up?
|
| I suspect that would solve the problem. I unfortunately have no
way of
| checking as the two PCs here with Win Me installed both have
quite small
| hard disks and I always keep my system partitions (C:\ drive)
small -
| normally just 2 or 3GB since I store all data on other
partitions such as
| the desktop, "My documents" object, Outlook Express message
store, etc,
| and similarly the Temp and TIF folders, swap file, etc. are all
on a
| scratch volume.
| --
| Mike Maltby MS-MVP
|
|
|
| granjan wrote:
|
| In addition....I recently purchased Partition Magic 8.0 but I
| haven't taken time to use it yet. Do you think that if I
| partition my HD so there is not so much free space on a
particular
| drive that this problem would clear up? Just a thought.
|


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