Adobe SUCKS

hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;

how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary, Adobe product........ even
though it is free, you deny win98 users knowing full well they will have to 'update' to 'something',
in order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing them to 'update' to xp or 2000
or nt or vista,,, and no, i dont give a damn that i typed them out of order... )

today, a friend, non-computer user, brought to me a second-hand 'set top box' so he could tune into
the newer high definition channels on the telly,, but he doesnt have a manual on how to plug what
into what.
i said i would download a manual,,,, but then i ran into ADOBE,,,,,, sure, they got it,,,,
but they wont give it to a win98 user..... what weasels they are,;;;;;;;; i hope they
go broke and the legs of their children all get cancer and rot in front of their own eyes..

what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????
are they so lame that they cant keep up with technology and supply 98 too?
dick-heads!!!!
i spent hours trying to d/l a version that would accept my friends manual, nah,, not even in the
bloody race,,, not one version of adobe was available ...... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

how stoooopid your marketers are,, (and we all know you are making money from your 'free' adobe
reader) because by denying 98 users, you are denying thousands of humans who have wallets.......
what silly ppl you are.
Personally,,, i just think you are pathetic/

Most doubtful.

oldie wrote:
hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;

"oldie" wrote in message
...

what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????

The answer is intellectual property viz. copyright. Whether they sell
the software or give it away free, as proprietors Adobe can set the terms
of that sale or gift. Of course this may alienate non-customers: but only
if it alienates potential paying customers is Adobe likely to respond.
That is the way the market is supposed to work, just as you and I are
free to program and distribute PDF readers of our own.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

oldie wrote:
hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;

how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary,
Adobe product........ even though it is free, you deny win98
users knowing full well they will have to 'update' to 'something', in
order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing
them to 'update' to xp or 2000 or nt or vista

Nonsense...all you have to do is get *another* program to read pdf files.
yes, there are others - like Foxit Reader.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Feel better now?

Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's the
latest to work on Win98. http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe

Or there's FoxIt.
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

Or do some shopping:
http://www.google.com/search?num=30&...&q=pdf+readers

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"oldie" wrote in message
...
hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;

how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary, Adobe
product........ even
though it is free, you deny win98 users knowing full well they will have
to 'update' to 'something',
in order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing them
to 'update' to xp or 2000
or nt or vista,,, and no, i dont give a damn that i typed them out of
order... )

today, a friend, non-computer user, brought to me a second-hand 'set top
box' so he could tune into
the newer high definition channels on the telly,, but he doesnt have a
manual on how to plug what
into what.
i said i would download a manual,,,, but then i ran into ADOBE,,,,,,
sure, they got it,,,,
but they wont give it to a win98 user..... what weasels they
are,;;;;;;;; i hope they
go broke and the legs of their children all get cancer and rot in front
of their own eyes..

what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????
are they so lame that they cant keep up with technology and supply 98 too?
dick-heads!!!!
i spent hours trying to d/l a version that would accept my friends manual,
nah,, not even in the
bloody race,,, not one version of adobe was available ......
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

how stoooopid your marketers are,, (and we all know you are making money
from your 'free' adobe
reader) because by denying 98 users, you are denying thousands of
humans who have wallets.......
what silly ppl you are.
Personally,,, i just think you are pathetic/

"dadiOH" wrote in message
...
oldie wrote:
hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;

how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary,
Adobe product........ even though it is free, you deny win98
users knowing full well they will have to 'update' to 'something', in
order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing
them to 'update' to xp or 2000 or nt or vista

Nonsense...all you have to do is get *another* program to read pdf files.
yes, there are others - like Foxit Reader.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

I use Foxit and prefer it to Adobe. In fact, it works better with
underpowered computers--like mine--because it's not a resource hog.
--
{ : [|]=( DaffyD®

If I knew where I was I'd be there now.

Feel better now?

No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill comes up with error:: 'couldnt
connect to host'.

Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's the
latest to work on Win98. http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe

Or there's FoxIt.
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than just give the product, they
insist on information information information,, all concerning the downloader..... in other words,
the person wishing to download.
Still not happy.

Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the place where the manual was that
my friend needed, then clicked on download, but a half an hour passed while my 'dun' meter was still
as active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me. My next step was to go to
Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt give two hoots about a consumer,, but rather gave two
hoots about the operating system a consumer was using..... I am gathering this is to do with
big-business and some sort of underhanded agreements made between ceo's of companies forcing the
average joe to purchase later versions of microsoft windows. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Why do these peopel care what operating system I use? Isnt advertiseing their primary objective?
By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products...... and lets face it, all I
wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining how to set up a 'set-top-box' for my friends
television. I have no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,, Microsoft word is so much
better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt the manual come in dot.doc format,,
something we All understand.

Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you download the bluddy thing so I can
fetch it from you? It is the manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The brand name is 'OLIN'. the
place to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
Screen shot attached.
And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please. I say this because it seems
obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough cough) may not even be able to read some simple text or maybe
jpg's ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user without a manual.)

Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and also wonder why the world endeared
itself to them,, when WORD itself is a powerful program and understood by most.... maybe I am
just a Homer.)

Oh,

And if you or anyone here does this for us,, then thanks.

I was just thinking how I would go about it if I had the wherewithall to do this task,, and I
believe the best way to help would be to go fetch the dot.pdf (grrrrr) then copy and paste it into a
Word document and post it back.... does that sound feasable? There would surely be jpg's
involved within the 'manual/instructions' in order to show the user which plugs to plug into what
given the type of television too,, but I cant see any problem in making it happen.

thanks to any and all who help.
(still think Adobe sucks)

I've put both of your posts together so the explanations make sense.

In ,
oldie contemplated and posted:

| Feel better now?
|
| No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill
| comes up with error:: 'couldnt connect to host'.
|
| Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them.
| Here's the latest to work on Win98.
| http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe
|
| Or there's FoxIt.
| http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
|
| This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than
| just give the product, they insist on information information
| information,, all concerning the downloader..... in other words, the
| person wishing to download.
| Still not happy.
|
| Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the
| place where the manual was that my friend needed, then clicked on
| download, but a half an hour passed while my 'dun' meter was still as
| active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me.

Try right clicking the link and choose "Save Target As".
NEVER use a PDF reader online [which is what was happening when you
normally clicked the pdf link] unless that is the only way to view it
[protected pdf].
Download the pdf, disconnect from the Internet, and make sure the pdf is
safe. Many now contain JAVA and other scriptingand inclusions which will
connect to sites on the Internet which you will not notice or be able to
control if you have done the viewing online, and/or can be used to install
things on your computer or network. [See the various security bulletins
related to this.]

| My next step was to go to Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt
| give two hoots about a consumer,, but rather gave two hoots about
| the operating system a consumer was using..... I am gathering
| this is to do with big-business and some sort of underhanded
| agreements made between ceo's of companies forcing the average joe to
| purchase later versions of microsoft windows.
| grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Why do these peopel care what
| operating system I use? Isnt advertiseing their primary objective?

In part, but they also want to force you to upgrade hardware, software, and
the scripting and other which allows them to access your computer/network.
Investors see this as their way to make money and they DEMAND a substantial
return for their investment.

| By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products......
| and lets face it, all I wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining
| how to set up a 'set-top-box' for my friends television. I have
| no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,, Microsoft word is
| so much better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt
| the manual come in dot.doc format,, something we All understand.

IF you follow the right click download, you can convert it yourself using
one of the pdf format converters.

|
| Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you
| download the bluddy thing so I can fetch it from you? It is the
| manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The brand name is 'OLIN'. the place
| to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
| Screen shot attached.
| And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please.
| I say this because it seems obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough
| cough) may not even be able to read some simple text or maybe jpg's
| ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user
| without a manual.)

Conversion of a copyrighted PDF [all are copyrighted, even those under GNU
or other] MAY/WILL fall outside the law if offered in total online. Your own
private conversion for *your personal use* comes under "fair use". Excerpts
{small/short} MAY be allowed online, however they must be carefully linked
to the original site/pdf and/or noticably referenced to the original
copyright holder.
The original copyright owner MAY assign certain of their authorities and
authorizations to others, but the material and presentation MUST comply with
that allowance.

|
| Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and
| also wonder why the world endeared itself to them,, when WORD itself
| is a powerful program and understood by most.... maybe I am just
| a Homer.)

The MS Word format is NOT a good format for online usage or offer. It can
be used to transfer macros, scripting, and other embedded activities which
can not be adaquately protected against [disabling macros doesn't provide
complete protection]. For review of these issues, note the number of MS
Office based updates and hotfixes that have been issued by MS, and the
recommendations to completely disallow and/or strictly monitor these
products on many security/firewall sites/discussion groups.

| Oh,
|
| And if you or anyone here does this for us,, then thanks.
|
| I was just thinking how I would go about it if I had the wherewithall
| to do this task,, and I believe the best way to help would be to
| go fetch the dot.pdf (grrrrr) then copy and paste it into a Word
| document and post it back.... does that sound feasable? There
| would surely be jpg's involved within the 'manual/instructions' in
| order to show the user which plugs to plug into what given the type
| of television too,, but I cant see any problem in making it happen.
|
| thanks to any and all who help.
| (still think Adobe sucks)

I'm not overly happy with Adobe either, particularly as the products are
delving deeper into private systems and have become essential tools for
hackers/crackers.

BTW: Adobe Reader for 98 ends at version 6.06. If you intend to use it,
make sure you do the updates, they are around 1 to 3 megs apiece.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

1. Try this: http://grystmill.com/shared/AdbeRdr60_enu_full.exe For some
reason, my site is insisting on proper case for the letters. Not supposed to
do that. (But after some of the BS my host has been pulling lately, I figure
I have to change hosts, anyway.)

1A. You didn't try FoxIt?

2. When downloading a PDF, DO NOT just click on it. Right-click it and "Save
Target As", then save it to your Desktop (or wherever.) The Adobe PDF
plug-in for browsers is horrible on older machines and always has been. In
fact, I used to (and sometimes still do) turn that feature off (forget where
the switch is, though) so that when I click on a PDF download link, it acts
like an EXE or other download, asking to be saved, etc. Once it's
downloaded, then I open it.

3. As for you specific download, did you already have some form of Adobe
Reader installed when you tried it, so that it was trying to D/L and open in
the browser at the same time? Or are you on dial-up or something? In any
case, the download link for the PDF worked fine for me, and using the
instructions I gave you, it should work fine for you. I'm not in the habit
of doing things for other people that they aren't perfectly capable of
learning how to do for themselves. Try again, following my instructions, and
then if you still can't get it, I'll see what I can do for you, though I'm a
bit harried today.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"oldie" wrote in message
...

Feel better now?

No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill comes up
with error:: 'couldnt
connect to host'.

Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's
the
latest to work on Win98. http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe

Or there's FoxIt.
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than just
give the product, they
insist on information information information,, all concerning the
downloader..... in other words,
the person wishing to download.
Still not happy.

Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the place
where the manual was that
my friend needed, then clicked on download, but a half an hour passed
while my 'dun' meter was still
as active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me. My
next step was to go to
Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt give two hoots about a
consumer,, but rather gave two
hoots about the operating system a consumer was using..... I am
gathering this is to do with
big-business and some sort of underhanded agreements made between ceo's of
companies forcing the
average joe to purchase later versions of microsoft windows.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Why do these peopel care what operating system I use? Isnt advertiseing
their primary objective?
By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products......
and lets face it, all I
wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining how to set up a 'set-top-box'
for my friends
television. I have no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,,
Microsoft word is so much
better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt the manual come
in dot.doc format,,
something we All understand.

Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you download
the bluddy thing so I can
fetch it from you? It is the manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The brand
name is 'OLIN'. the
place to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
Screen shot attached.
And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please. I
say this because it seems
obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough cough) may not even be able to read
some simple text or maybe
jpg's ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user
without a manual.)

Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and also
wonder why the world endeared
itself to them,, when WORD itself is a powerful program and understood by
most.... maybe I am
just a Homer.)