Adobe SUCKS

I suspect that the "runtime" version of "Adobe Reader" is a major security
risk.
Despite wading through all its' menus, a hwile ago, and switching off its'
"update" feature, it KEEPS trying to get out onto the web, usually to its'
home site, and despite creating permanent firewall rules to block it -
....it seems to be coded to keep trying alternative methods / ports ?

I've just waded through them again (Adobe v 8.?) and there's all sorts of
rubbish to do with html, javascript, ...media-players !!

I'm going to trawl through and locate all Adobe reader files, particularly
*.exe and permanently block them in my AVG firewall applications list. !

regards, Richard


"oldie" wrote in message
...
hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;

how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary, Adobe
product........ even
though it is free, you deny win98 users knowing full well they will have
to 'update' to 'something',
in order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing them
to 'update' to xp or 2000
or nt or vista,,, and no, i dont give a damn that i typed them out of
order... )

today, a friend, non-computer user, brought to me a second-hand 'set top
box' so he could tune into
the newer high definition channels on the telly,, but he doesnt have a
manual on how to plug what
into what.
i said i would download a manual,,,, but then i ran into ADOBE,,,,,,
sure, they got it,,,,
but they wont give it to a win98 user..... what weasels they
are,;;;;;;;; i hope they
go broke and the legs of their children all get cancer and rot in front
of their own eyes..

what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????
are they so lame that they cant keep up with technology and supply 98 too?
dick-heads!!!!
i spent hours trying to d/l a version that would accept my friends manual,
nah,, not even in the
bloody race,,, not one version of adobe was available ......
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

how stoooopid your marketers are,, (and we all know you are making money
from your 'free' adobe
reader) because by denying 98 users, you are denying thousands of
humans who have wallets.......
what silly ppl you are.
Personally,,, i just think you are pathetic/

Try FoxIt.

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/

You will NEVER go back to Adobe for PDF reading. It is a pleasure to use
and is FAST. It's also free.

================================================== ==================
"oldie" wrote in message
...
hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;

how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary, Adobe
product........ even
though it is free, you deny win98 users knowing full well they will have to
'update' to 'something',
in order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing them
to 'update' to xp or 2000
or nt or vista,,, and no, i dont give a damn that i typed them out of
order... )

today, a friend, non-computer user, brought to me a second-hand 'set top
box' so he could tune into
the newer high definition channels on the telly,, but he doesnt have a
manual on how to plug what
into what.
i said i would download a manual,,,, but then i ran into ADOBE,,,,,,
sure, they got it,,,,
but they wont give it to a win98 user..... what weasels they
are,;;;;;;;; i hope they
go broke and the legs of their children all get cancer and rot in front of
their own eyes..

what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????
are they so lame that they cant keep up with technology and supply 98 too?
dick-heads!!!!
i spent hours trying to d/l a version that would accept my friends manual,
nah,, not even in the
bloody race,,, not one version of adobe was available ......
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

how stoooopid your marketers are,, (and we all know you are making money
from your 'free' adobe
reader) because by denying 98 users, you are denying thousands of humans
who have wallets.......
what silly ppl you are.
Personally,,, i just think you are pathetic/

I just waded through the FAQ's at http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/
....looks hideously complicated, especially the section detailing, in as many
words, "one part belongs to one author, and another part belongs to
different author !!!
....It initially looked attractive but, the more one reads on, the more it
looks like the whole thing is a bucket of nuts and bolts that don't fit
together very well.
....still, I may give it a whirl.

regards, Richard


"bobster" wrote in message
...
Try FoxIt.

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/

You will NEVER go back to Adobe for PDF reading. It is a pleasure to use
and is FAST. It's also free.

================================================== ==================
"oldie" wrote in message
...
hope Adobe personell read this;;;;;;;;;

how Weak of you to deny certain computer users of the necessary, Adobe
product........ even
though it is free, you deny win98 users knowing full well they will have
to
'update' to 'something',
in order to utilise a .pdf. (ps,,,, i Hate pdf's) (ie,, forcing them
to 'update' to xp or 2000
or nt or vista,,, and no, i dont give a damn that i typed them out of
order... )

today, a friend, non-computer user, brought to me a second-hand 'set top
box' so he could tune into
the newer high definition channels on the telly,, but he doesnt have a
manual on how to plug what
into what.
i said i would download a manual,,,, but then i ran into ADOBE,,,,,,
sure, they got it,,,,
but they wont give it to a win98 user..... what weasels they
are,;;;;;;;; i hope they
go broke and the legs of their children all get cancer and rot in front
of
their own eyes..

what gives adobe the right to dictate what i can or cannot read????
are they so lame that they cant keep up with technology and supply 98 too?
dick-heads!!!!
i spent hours trying to d/l a version that would accept my friends manual,
nah,, not even in the
bloody race,,, not one version of adobe was available ......
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

how stoooopid your marketers are,, (and we all know you are making money
from your 'free' adobe
reader) because by denying 98 users, you are denying thousands of
humans
who have wallets.......
what silly ppl you are.
Personally,,, i just think you are pathetic/

RJK wrote:
I just waded through the FAQ's at
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/ ...looks hideously
complicated, especially the section detailing, in as many words, "one part
belongs to one author, and another part belongs to
different author !!! ...It initially looked attractive but, the more
one reads on, the more it looks like the whole thing is a bucket of
nuts and bolts that don't fit together very well.
...still, I may give it a whirl.

It's really pretty simple...

1. Install Foxit
2. Set Foxit as default PDF reader
3. Click on a PDF
4. Read PDF

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

To all, (and thanks) forgive my non-reply,, forgot about a w/end away from computer.

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ...
1. Try this: http://grystmill.com/shared/AdbeRdr60_enu_full.exe For some
reason, my site is insisting on proper case for the letters. Not supposed to
do that. (But after some of the BS my host has been pulling lately, I figure
I have to change hosts, anyway.)

Gary,, I did download the Adobe you sent me to, and I have it sitting in a folder.
Thing is, while I was downloading it friday, I also read the post from RJK, and havent yet
executed it.. plus this is my first time back at my own pc.

1A. You didn't try FoxIt?

No, not yet, but will be heading there directly after I post this... especially after reading
other posts on the subject; it does sound like Fox is the way to go,, hope so, because
I am treading water at this stage. (yet still only trying to get a simple document.)


2. When downloading a PDF, DO NOT just click on it. Right-click it and "Save
Target As", then save it to your Desktop (or wherever.)

That is the crux of the problem, as Adobe goes into 'Adobe-mode' when I try and download
the document,, it just wants me to download its newer version, knowing full well I am using
windows 98,, then it makes my computer freeze during download.

The Adobe PDF
plug-in for browsers is horrible on older machines and always has been. In
fact, I used to (and sometimes still do) turn that feature off (forget where
the switch is, though) so that when I click on a PDF download link, it acts
like an EXE or other download, asking to be saved, etc. Once it's
downloaded, then I open it.

3. As for you specific download, did you already have some form of Adobe
Reader installed when you tried it, so that it was trying to D/L and open in
the browser at the same time?

Not sure what you mean here. Yes, I do have a version of Adobe, 5.0 I think.
It has always opened pdf's prior,, but it sure doesnt want me to get that users
manual. (stupid bluddy Adobe)

Or are you on dial-up or something?

Yes, I am on dial up, as I mentioned before. (and the place you directed me to was for
a 16MB download,, I did it friday night then went to bed.)

In any
case, the download link for the PDF worked fine for me, and using the
instructions I gave you, it should work fine for you. I'm not in the habit
of doing things for other people that they aren't perfectly capable of
learning how to do for themselves. Try again, following my instructions, and
then if you still can't get it, I'll see what I can do for you, though I'm a
bit harried today.

Yes, I followed your instructions,, as odd as they seem. One minute you are telling
me to download Adobe (16MB) and then you are telling me to get Fox?
I guess I am a little confused, but after the post I read from RJK, I am also a bit wary. I
find it hard to believe I have to go through all of this drama/trauma just for an instruction sheet,
would be easier to open a chinese fortune cookie and read whats inside.

Thanks anyhow.
(Adobe Sucks!)


--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"oldie" wrote in message
...

Feel better now?

No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill comes up
with error:: 'couldnt
connect to host'.

Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's
the
latest to work on Win98. http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe

Or there's FoxIt.
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than just
give the product, they
insist on information information information,, all concerning the
downloader..... in other words,
the person wishing to download.
Still not happy.

Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the place
where the manual was that
my friend needed, then clicked on download, but a half an hour passed
while my 'dun' meter was still
as active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me. My
next step was to go to
Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt give two hoots about a
consumer,, but rather gave two
hoots about the operating system a consumer was using..... I am
gathering this is to do with
big-business and some sort of underhanded agreements made between ceo's of
companies forcing the
average joe to purchase later versions of microsoft windows.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Why do these peopel care what operating system I use? Isnt advertiseing
their primary objective?
By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products......
and lets face it, all I
wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining how to set up a 'set-top-box'
for my friends
television. I have no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,,
Microsoft word is so much
better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt the manual come
in dot.doc format,,
something we All understand.

Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you download
the bluddy thing so I can
fetch it from you? It is the manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The brand
name is 'OLIN'. the
place to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
Screen shot attached.
And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please. I
say this because it seems
obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough cough) may not even be able to read
some simple text or maybe
jpg's ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user
without a manual.)

Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and also
wonder why the world endeared
itself to them,, when WORD itself is a powerful program and understood by
most.... maybe I am
just a Homer.)

It's really pretty simple...

1. Install Foxit
2. Set Foxit as default PDF reader
3. Click on a PDF
4. Read PDF

--

dadiOH

You make it seem sooooooo simple dadiOH,, but what about the fact that I cant down load the
damn file in the first place?
Anyway,, I am back at the computer and downloading Foxit as I type, I also downloaded the Adobe
that Gary mentioned, and it is in a folder un-touched since friday night.
I still find it hard to believe I have to go to all this trouble just to get what I want,, any one
would think I was trying to get into 'nasa'.

Thanks for input, I will post back after work tomorrow with results.

Okay, then as others have suggested there are alternatives. It does not help
to continue ranting about Adobe although it may make you feel good and I am
guilty as charged as far as my rants go in the past. Please let us try and
be professional in this newsgroup and also please stay with the original post
so we don't have too many threads out there with the same topic. It confuses
me and it makes the newsgroup look sloppy, imo. Have you contacted Adobe
with your concerns and told them you are not using their software any longer
and you are going to an alternative to read *.pdf files because you are
annoyed at their poor software?

"oldie" wrote:

To all, (and thanks) forgive my non-reply,, forgot about a w/end away from computer.

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ...
1. Try this: http://grystmill.com/shared/AdbeRdr60_enu_full.exe For some
reason, my site is insisting on proper case for the letters. Not supposed to
do that. (But after some of the BS my host has been pulling lately, I figure
I have to change hosts, anyway.)

Gary,, I did download the Adobe you sent me to, and I have it sitting in a folder.
Thing is, while I was downloading it friday, I also read the post from RJK, and havent yet
executed it.. plus this is my first time back at my own pc.

1A. You didn't try FoxIt?

No, not yet, but will be heading there directly after I post this... especially after reading
other posts on the subject; it does sound like Fox is the way to go,, hope so, because
I am treading water at this stage. (yet still only trying to get a simple document.)


2. When downloading a PDF, DO NOT just click on it. Right-click it and "Save
Target As", then save it to your Desktop (or wherever.)

That is the crux of the problem, as Adobe goes into 'Adobe-mode' when I try and download
the document,, it just wants me to download its newer version, knowing full well I am using
windows 98,, then it makes my computer freeze during download.

The Adobe PDF
plug-in for browsers is horrible on older machines and always has been. In
fact, I used to (and sometimes still do) turn that feature off (forget where
the switch is, though) so that when I click on a PDF download link, it acts
like an EXE or other download, asking to be saved, etc. Once it's
downloaded, then I open it.

3. As for you specific download, did you already have some form of Adobe
Reader installed when you tried it, so that it was trying to D/L and open in
the browser at the same time?

Not sure what you mean here. Yes, I do have a version of Adobe, 5.0 I think.
It has always opened pdf's prior,, but it sure doesnt want me to get that users
manual. (stupid bluddy Adobe)

Or are you on dial-up or something?

Yes, I am on dial up, as I mentioned before. (and the place you directed me to was for
a 16MB download,, I did it friday night then went to bed.)

In any
case, the download link for the PDF worked fine for me, and using the
instructions I gave you, it should work fine for you. I'm not in the habit
of doing things for other people that they aren't perfectly capable of
learning how to do for themselves. Try again, following my instructions, and
then if you still can't get it, I'll see what I can do for you, though I'm a
bit harried today.

Yes, I followed your instructions,, as odd as they seem. One minute you are telling
me to download Adobe (16MB) and then you are telling me to get Fox?
I guess I am a little confused, but after the post I read from RJK, I am also a bit wary. I
find it hard to believe I have to go through all of this drama/trauma just for an instruction sheet,
would be easier to open a chinese fortune cookie and read whats inside.

Thanks anyhow.
(Adobe Sucks!)


--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"oldie" wrote in message
...

Feel better now?

No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill comes up
with error:: 'couldnt
connect to host'.

Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's
the
latest to work on Win98. http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe

Or there's FoxIt.
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than just
give the product, they
insist on information information information,, all concerning the
downloader..... in other words,
the person wishing to download.
Still not happy.

Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the place
where the manual was that
my friend needed, then clicked on download, but a half an hour passed
while my 'dun' meter was still
as active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me. My
next step was to go to
Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt give two hoots about a
consumer,, but rather gave two
hoots about the operating system a consumer was using..... I am
gathering this is to do with
big-business and some sort of underhanded agreements made between ceo's of
companies forcing the
average joe to purchase later versions of microsoft windows.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Why do these peopel care what operating system I use? Isnt advertiseing
their primary objective?
By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products......
and lets face it, all I
wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining how to set up a 'set-top-box'
for my friends
television. I have no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,,
Microsoft word is so much
better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt the manual come
in dot.doc format,,
something we All understand.

Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you download
the bluddy thing so I can
fetch it from you? It is the manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The brand
name is 'OLIN'. the
place to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
Screen shot attached.
And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please. I
say this because it seems
obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough cough) may not even be able to read
some simple text or maybe
jpg's ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user
without a manual.)

Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and also
wonder why the world endeared
itself to them,, when WORD itself is a powerful program and understood by
most.... maybe I am
just a Homer.)

Wow. Oldie you need to take a pill. It is not Adobe's or anyone else's
fault that you are still on Windows 98 with Adobe 5.0 and then wonder
why it won't work. technology advances at blistering speeds and yes it
can be annoying when you buy a piece of electronic equipment and by the
next week it's out dated. but really, windows 98 is 10 years old. It's
time to upgrade... Adobe, like any software company in this day, is
developing software for the platforms and hardware that exist NOW.
Still, you have been given direct links to older versions and
alternative software and you still complain. If you get this upset over
downloading a manual, my you must have a hard time in life.


--
robot313
Posted via http://computerhelpforums.net Forum to USENET Gateway

True, advice but the real question is of Windows 98 internal safety compared
to the external security of Windows XP (9x and NT -- see wikipedia if you
want) and especially Windows Vista which I did security beta testing for
Microsoft as a volunteer. Please see Chris Quirke, MVP discussion about this
because he is well-informed.

http://cquirke.blogspot.com/

http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/

and of course credit to US-Cert

http://www.us-cert.gov/

The more I read of your stuff, the more I don't care. Goodbye.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"oldie" wrote in message
...
To all, (and thanks) forgive my non-reply,, forgot about a w/end away
from computer.

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
1. Try this: http://grystmill.com/shared/AdbeRdr60_enu_full.exe For some
reason, my site is insisting on proper case for the letters. Not supposed
to
do that. (But after some of the BS my host has been pulling lately, I
figure
I have to change hosts, anyway.)

Gary,, I did download the Adobe you sent me to, and I have it sitting
in a folder.
Thing is, while I was downloading it friday, I also read the post from
RJK, and havent yet
executed it.. plus this is my first time back at my own pc.

1A. You didn't try FoxIt?

No, not yet, but will be heading there directly after I post this...
especially after reading
other posts on the subject; it does sound like Fox is the way to go,,
hope so, because
I am treading water at this stage. (yet still only trying to get a
simple document.)


2. When downloading a PDF, DO NOT just click on it. Right-click it and
"Save
Target As", then save it to your Desktop (or wherever.)

That is the crux of the problem, as Adobe goes into 'Adobe-mode' when I
try and download
the document,, it just wants me to download its newer version, knowing
full well I am using
windows 98,, then it makes my computer freeze during download.

The Adobe PDF
plug-in for browsers is horrible on older machines and always has been.
In
fact, I used to (and sometimes still do) turn that feature off (forget
where
the switch is, though) so that when I click on a PDF download link, it
acts
like an EXE or other download, asking to be saved, etc. Once it's
downloaded, then I open it.

3. As for you specific download, did you already have some form of Adobe
Reader installed when you tried it, so that it was trying to D/L and open
in
the browser at the same time?

Not sure what you mean here. Yes, I do have a version of Adobe, 5.0 I
think.
It has always opened pdf's prior,, but it sure doesnt want me to get
that users
manual. (stupid bluddy Adobe)

Or are you on dial-up or something?

Yes, I am on dial up, as I mentioned before. (and the place you directed
me to was for
a 16MB download,, I did it friday night then went to bed.)

In any
case, the download link for the PDF worked fine for me, and using the
instructions I gave you, it should work fine for you. I'm not in the
habit
of doing things for other people that they aren't perfectly capable of
learning how to do for themselves. Try again, following my instructions,
and
then if you still can't get it, I'll see what I can do for you, though
I'm a
bit harried today.

Yes, I followed your instructions,, as odd as they seem. One minute
you are telling
me to download Adobe (16MB) and then you are telling me to get Fox?
I guess I am a little confused, but after the post I read from RJK, I am
also a bit wary. I
find it hard to believe I have to go through all of this drama/trauma just
for an instruction sheet,
would be easier to open a chinese fortune cookie and read whats inside.

Thanks anyhow.
(Adobe Sucks!)


--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"oldie" wrote in message
...

Feel better now?

No, havent achieved anything yet,,, and your link to grystmill comes
up
with error:: 'couldnt
connect to host'.

Which version would you like. I've got pretty much all of them. Here's
the
latest to work on Win98.
http://grystmill/shared/adbeRdr60_enu_full.exe

Or there's FoxIt.
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

This place is like an 'information giving pool',, rather than just
give the product, they
insist on information information information,, all concerning the
downloader..... in other words,
the person wishing to download.
Still not happy.

Maybe something got lost in translating my post..... I went to the
place
where the manual was that
my friend needed, then clicked on download, but a half an hour passed
while my 'dun' meter was still
as active as two bunnies in a field, then it bloody froze up on me.
My
next step was to go to
Adobe, but only to find that they couldnt give two hoots about a
consumer,, but rather gave two
hoots about the operating system a consumer was using..... I am
gathering this is to do with
big-business and some sort of underhanded agreements made between ceo's
of
companies forcing the
average joe to purchase later versions of microsoft windows.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Why do these peopel care what operating system I use? Isnt
advertiseing
their primary objective?
By cutting me off, they lose my eyes veiwing their products......
and lets face it, all I
wanted was a simple piece of paper outlining how to set up a
'set-top-box'
for my friends
television. I have no idea why people even consider using Adobe,,,
Microsoft word is so much
better and so much easier and so well known,,,, why didnt the manual
come
in dot.doc format,,
something we All understand.

Hey, if you really want to do us a favour and help, then can you
download
the bluddy thing so I can
fetch it from you? It is the manual for a 'HVBT-1800' The
brand
name is 'OLIN'. the
place to download it is " http://olinstyle.com/support.php "
Screen shot attached.
And if you can download it, can you get it in .DOC format, please. I
say this because it seems
obvious that my Adobe Reader (cough cough) may not even be able to read
some simple text or maybe
jpg's ..... if they were kind enough to supply them to assist a user
without a manual.)

Okay,,,, NOW I feel better. (still despise Adobe, and also
wonder why the world endeared
itself to them,, when WORD itself is a powerful program and understood
by
most.... maybe I am
just a Homer.)