Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

thanatoid wrote in
:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in :

SNIP

It might have some validity under XP if you enable things
like Java, javascript, and ActiveX, which _are_ enabled by
default I think. (Besides, some websites won't work anyway
if you turn them off.) []

Well, we are talking about users who have not become
totally braindead in spite of MS's efforts. It's a whole
other subject. And no AV program will protect you from
active-x malware, AFAIK. Remember when MS /themselves/ told
everyone to turn off javascript in IE?

Minor correction: I believe (but I am too lazy to check) that
Active-X is MS's version of javascript, so the two terms should
be switched in the last two sentences. Plus, I could be wrong to
begin with. I have script sentry installed and it seems to work
perfectly with any script (incl. reg files) I have run since
installing it, although it has yet to warn me of anything nasty
about to happen online... I guess I should visit some "really
bad" sites and find out...


--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek

thanatoid wrote in
:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in :

SNIP

It might have some validity under XP if you enable things
like Java, javascript, and ActiveX, which _are_ enabled by
default I think. (Besides, some websites won't work anyway
if you turn them off.) []

Well, we are talking about users who have not become
totally braindead in spite of MS's efforts. It's a whole
other subject. And no AV program will protect you from
active-x malware, AFAIK. Remember when MS /themselves/ told
everyone to turn off javascript in IE?

Minor correction: I believe (but I am too lazy to check) that
Active-X is MS's version of javascript, so the two terms should
be switched in the last two sentences. Plus, I could be wrong to
begin with. I have script sentry installed and it seems to work
perfectly with any script (incl. reg files) I have run since
installing it, although it has yet to warn me of anything nasty
about to happen online... I guess I should visit some "really
bad" sites and find out...


--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek

I might as well post this to our friends using Windows ME, since NAV
2002 is equally suitable for that maligned operating system.

MEB wrote:

Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you came from

You forgot to full-quote me. Why are you not consistent in that regard?

The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the exploits and
methods being used today

NAV 2002 can be updated from Symantec such that it has the most current
virus signatures and scan-engine - equal to any symantec product being
sold today.

And you can get it as part of Norton SystemWorks 2002.

How you ask? By following these instructions:

------------------

The Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD can be downloaded from these links:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-A.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-B.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-C.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-D.ZIP

The password to unzip each of them is "a". Each file is close to 50 mb
in size.

When unzipped, you'll get

NSW02-1.piz
NSW02-2.piz
NSW02-3.piz
NSW02-4.piz

Rename them each to .zip. They are not password protected.

Create a directory (name doesn't matter) and move files 1, 2 and 3 into
that directory and unzip them into that directory. There should be no
conflicts or warnings to over-write any existing files.

For file 4, move it to the \SUPPORT\IE5 directory and unzip it's
contents into that directory.

When you're done all that, you should have an exact copy of the
directory structure of the NSW 2002 CD. There should be 10 files and 13
folders in the root directory. 590 files, 41 folders, 207 mb.

To install NSW-2002, just run setup.exe in the root.

Notes:

1) Before installing, you should go to add/remove programs in control
panel and check to see if you have any Symantec or Norton products
already there, including LiveUpdate, LiveReg, Norton AntiVirus, Norton
Utilities, or Norton SystemWorks. You will probably have to remove some
or most of them, and then re-boot your computer, for NSW2002 to install
itself correctly. You should also make sure your PC's clock/calendar is
set to the correct date.

2) Once you complete step 1, perform a file-find on your system and look
for a file called "catalog.livesubscribe" or just "catalog.*". If you
find that file (it will be in a norton or symantec directory) then it
must be deleted before you install this software.

3) After installing NSW2002, let it restart your system. There are
several settings in NAV that I turn off - like automatically check for
updates, and warn if virus def's are old. If it gives you the option of
registering the software - don't. It's not necessary for it to
function.

4) If you click on "Check for Updates" you will probably be told that
there is an update to Symantec Redirector, which can be downloaded but
may not install. In any case, it's my experience that both auto and
manual updating (liveupdate button) doesn't work, and hasn't worked
since maybe 2007. But that's ok, because you can download all program
updates and virus definitions from here (Symantec Intelligent Updater):

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...ymcdefsi32.exe

That file always contains the most recent virus definition update. So
download and run it as often as you want (even once a day if you're
paranoid).

5) After installing NSW 2002, you'll see that NAV 2002 will accept new
virus definition files for the next 366 days. After that, the
Intelligent Updater will not update the product. But that's ok, because
all you need to do is un-install and re-install NSW 2002 to get another
year's worth of functionality (so don't delete these files once you
download them! Keep them on your hard drive or burn them to a CD). One
thing to remember is that after uninstalling it, you will need to delete
the file "catalog.livesubscribe" in order to re-install and re-activate
it for another year.

6) If you have a large hard drive and/or if you've got a FAT-32 volume
with more than the usual 4 million clusters (perhaps a SATA or USB
drive), Norton Disk Doctor and Norton Speed disk are compatible with
volumes with up to 6.3 million clusters, but not more without using the
command-line parameter /NOLBA. When using this parameter, the upper
limit for NDD and SD is somewhere between 7.8 and 31 million clusters.
The switch /NOLBA forces NDD and SD to skip the drive configuration
check. This can also be done with a registry entry by adding a DWORD
registry value named NOLBACHECK at this location:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Symantec\Norton Utilities

When this option is set to 1, Norton Disk Doctor and Speed Disk skip the
drive configuration check.

5) BTW, NAV 2002 runs fine on Win-2K and XP (sp1, 2 and 3).

Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD includes:

- Norton CleanSweep 2002
- Norton AntiVirus 2002
- Norton Utilities 2002
- Roxio GoBack 3.0
- FastSafe (Fast & Safe Cleanup)
- Symantec Process Viewer
- Norton Rescue Disk version 15.0
- Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.50.4134.600

Enjoy

I might as well post this to our friends using Windows ME, since NAV
2002 is equally suitable for that maligned operating system.

MEB wrote:

Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you came from

You forgot to full-quote me. Why are you not consistent in that regard?

The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the exploits and
methods being used today

NAV 2002 can be updated from Symantec such that it has the most current
virus signatures and scan-engine - equal to any symantec product being
sold today.

And you can get it as part of Norton SystemWorks 2002.

How you ask? By following these instructions:

------------------

The Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD can be downloaded from these links:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-A.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-B.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-C.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-D.ZIP

The password to unzip each of them is "a". Each file is close to 50 mb
in size.

When unzipped, you'll get

NSW02-1.piz
NSW02-2.piz
NSW02-3.piz
NSW02-4.piz

Rename them each to .zip. They are not password protected.

Create a directory (name doesn't matter) and move files 1, 2 and 3 into
that directory and unzip them into that directory. There should be no
conflicts or warnings to over-write any existing files.

For file 4, move it to the \SUPPORT\IE5 directory and unzip it's
contents into that directory.

When you're done all that, you should have an exact copy of the
directory structure of the NSW 2002 CD. There should be 10 files and 13
folders in the root directory. 590 files, 41 folders, 207 mb.

To install NSW-2002, just run setup.exe in the root.

Notes:

1) Before installing, you should go to add/remove programs in control
panel and check to see if you have any Symantec or Norton products
already there, including LiveUpdate, LiveReg, Norton AntiVirus, Norton
Utilities, or Norton SystemWorks. You will probably have to remove some
or most of them, and then re-boot your computer, for NSW2002 to install
itself correctly. You should also make sure your PC's clock/calendar is
set to the correct date.

2) Once you complete step 1, perform a file-find on your system and look
for a file called "catalog.livesubscribe" or just "catalog.*". If you
find that file (it will be in a norton or symantec directory) then it
must be deleted before you install this software.

3) After installing NSW2002, let it restart your system. There are
several settings in NAV that I turn off - like automatically check for
updates, and warn if virus def's are old. If it gives you the option of
registering the software - don't. It's not necessary for it to
function.

4) If you click on "Check for Updates" you will probably be told that
there is an update to Symantec Redirector, which can be downloaded but
may not install. In any case, it's my experience that both auto and
manual updating (liveupdate button) doesn't work, and hasn't worked
since maybe 2007. But that's ok, because you can download all program
updates and virus definitions from here (Symantec Intelligent Updater):

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...ymcdefsi32.exe

That file always contains the most recent virus definition update. So
download and run it as often as you want (even once a day if you're
paranoid).

5) After installing NSW 2002, you'll see that NAV 2002 will accept new
virus definition files for the next 366 days. After that, the
Intelligent Updater will not update the product. But that's ok, because
all you need to do is un-install and re-install NSW 2002 to get another
year's worth of functionality (so don't delete these files once you
download them! Keep them on your hard drive or burn them to a CD). One
thing to remember is that after uninstalling it, you will need to delete
the file "catalog.livesubscribe" in order to re-install and re-activate
it for another year.

6) If you have a large hard drive and/or if you've got a FAT-32 volume
with more than the usual 4 million clusters (perhaps a SATA or USB
drive), Norton Disk Doctor and Norton Speed disk are compatible with
volumes with up to 6.3 million clusters, but not more without using the
command-line parameter /NOLBA. When using this parameter, the upper
limit for NDD and SD is somewhere between 7.8 and 31 million clusters.
The switch /NOLBA forces NDD and SD to skip the drive configuration
check. This can also be done with a registry entry by adding a DWORD
registry value named NOLBACHECK at this location:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Symantec\Norton Utilities

When this option is set to 1, Norton Disk Doctor and Speed Disk skip the
drive configuration check.

5) BTW, NAV 2002 runs fine on Win-2K and XP (sp1, 2 and 3).

Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD includes:

- Norton CleanSweep 2002
- Norton AntiVirus 2002
- Norton Utilities 2002
- Roxio GoBack 3.0
- FastSafe (Fast & Safe Cleanup)
- Symantec Process Viewer
- Norton Rescue Disk version 15.0
- Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.50.4134.600

Enjoy

Hemorrhoid wrote:

Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned
endless questions.

98 version (2.7) of the best AV software there is, ESET NOD32,

or you can install a free copy (if you have to ask where...)
of XP on another partition ONLY to get the new versions of
the few currently free /AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are,

Why did you not mention Norton Anti-Virus 2002?

Which is also a 100% free (no-cost) alternative?

------------------------------

The Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD can be downloaded from these links:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-A.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-B.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-C.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-D.ZIP

The password to unzip each of them is "a". Each file is close to 50 mb
in size.

When unzipped, you'll get

NSW02-1.piz
NSW02-2.piz
NSW02-3.piz
NSW02-4.piz

Rename them each to .zip. They are not password protected.

Create a directory (name doesn't matter) and move files 1, 2 and 3 into
that directory and unzip them into that directory. There should be no
conflicts or warnings to over-write any existing files.

For file 4, move it to the \SUPPORT\IE5 directory and unzip it's
contents into that directory.

When you're done all that, you should have an exact copy of the
directory structure of the NSW 2002 CD. There should be 10 files and 13
folders in the root directory. 590 files, 41 folders, 207 mb.

To install NSW-2002, just run setup.exe in the root.

Notes:

1) Before installing, you should go to add/remove programs in control
panel and check to see if you have any Symantec or Norton products
already there, including LiveUpdate, LiveReg, Norton AntiVirus, Norton
Utilities, or Norton SystemWorks. You will probably have to remove some
or most of them, and then re-boot your computer, for NSW2002 to install
itself correctly. You should also make sure your PC's clock/calendar is
set to the correct date.

2) Once you complete step 1, perform a file-find on your system and look
for a file called "catalog.livesubscribe" or just "catalog.*". If you
find that file (it will be in a norton or symantec directory) then it
must be deleted before you install this software.

3) After installing NSW2002, let it restart your system. There are
several settings in NAV that I turn off - like automatically check for
updates, and warn if virus def's are old. If it gives you the option of
registering the software - don't. It's not necessary for it to
function.

4) If you click on "Check for Updates" you will probably be told that
there is an update to Symantec Redirector, which can be downloaded but
may not install. In any case, it's my experience that both auto and
manual updating (liveupdate button) doesn't work, and hasn't worked
since maybe 2007. But that's ok, because you can download all program
updates and virus definitions from here (Symantec Intelligent Updater):


ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...ymcdefsi32.exe

That file always contains the most recent virus definition update. So
download and run it as often as you want (even once a day if you're
paranoid).

5) After installing NSW 2002, you'll see that NAV 2002 will accept new
virus definition files for the next 366 days. After that, the
Intelligent Updater will not update the product. But that's ok, because
all you need to do is un-install and re-install NSW 2002 to get another
year's worth of functionality (so don't delete these files once you
download them! Keep them on your hard drive or burn them to a CD). One
thing to remember is that after uninstalling it, you will need to delete
the file "catalog.livesubscribe" in order to re-install and re-activate
it for another year.

6) If you have a large hard drive and/or if you've got a FAT-32 volume
with more than the usual 4 million clusters (perhaps a SATA or USB
drive), Norton Disk Doctor and Norton Speed disk are compatible with
volumes with up to 6.3 million clusters, but not more without using the
command-line parameter /NOLBA. When using this parameter, the upper
limit for NDD and SD is somewhere between 7.8 and 31 million clusters.
The switch /NOLBA forces NDD and SD to skip the drive configuration
check. This can also be done with a registry entry by adding a DWORD
registry value named NOLBACHECK at this location:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Symantec\Norton Utilities

When this option is set to 1, Norton Disk Doctor and Speed Disk skip the
drive configuration check.

5) BTW, NAV 2002 runs fine on Win-2K and XP (sp1, 2 and 3).

Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD includes:

- Norton CleanSweep 2002
- Norton AntiVirus 2002
- Norton Utilities 2002
- Roxio GoBack 3.0
- FastSafe (Fast & Safe Cleanup)
- Symantec Process Viewer
- Norton Rescue Disk version 15.0
- Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.50.4134.600

Enjoy

Hemorrhoid wrote:

I have had 98guy plonked ever since he displayed his utter
assholiness with his reaction to my "stop posting about Terhune"
plea so I had to click on the reference to read what he actually
wrote - I can only assume that you were sufficiently upset by
what either he or I posted that you "formatted" your reply a
little confusingly, as seen above...

Yes, Meb did not full-quote me, as is his usual idiotic style.

In any case, for now I will assume you are addressing 98guy's
insane post about the VERY (like early 90's) formerly great and
currently UTTER garbage Norton=Symantec product(s).

Please correct me if this assumption is wrong.

Blow it out your sphincter Hemorrhoid. You and you other pussies on
dial-up who are so paranoid about picking up viruses on your win-98
systems.

Any other comments are also welcome.

Really?

Well, fancy that. Disabled my KF and NO OTHER REPLIES! Oh
well...

Here they come.

Hemorrhoid wrote:

I have had 98guy plonked ever since he displayed his utter
assholiness with his reaction to my "stop posting about Terhune"
plea so I had to click on the reference to read what he actually
wrote - I can only assume that you were sufficiently upset by
what either he or I posted that you "formatted" your reply a
little confusingly, as seen above...

Yes, Meb did not full-quote me, as is his usual idiotic style.

In any case, for now I will assume you are addressing 98guy's
insane post about the VERY (like early 90's) formerly great and
currently UTTER garbage Norton=Symantec product(s).

Please correct me if this assumption is wrong.

Blow it out your sphincter Hemorrhoid. You and you other pussies on
dial-up who are so paranoid about picking up viruses on your win-98
systems.

Any other comments are also welcome.

Really?

Well, fancy that. Disabled my KF and NO OTHER REPLIES! Oh
well...

Here they come.

On 03/04/2010 08:12 PM, 98 Guy wrote:
I might as well post this to our friends using Windows ME, since NAV
2002 is equally suitable for that maligned operating system.

MEB wrote:

Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you came from

You forgot to full-quote me. Why are you not consistent in that regard?

The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the exploits and
methods being used today

NAV 2002 can be updated from Symantec such that it has the most current
virus signatures and scan-engine - equal to any symantec product being
sold today.


Really. So you haven't a clue how many Norton AV systems have been
infected recently... how comforting Win9X and ME users to know YOU
haven't a clue...

Take your mental issues back to that mental illness group where you
came from, I did ask politely.

Will someone get this aioe.org server input killed please.


--
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http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
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On 03/04/2010 08:12 PM, 98 Guy wrote:
I might as well post this to our friends using Windows ME, since NAV
2002 is equally suitable for that maligned operating system.

MEB wrote:

Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you came from

You forgot to full-quote me. Why are you not consistent in that regard?

The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the exploits and
methods being used today

NAV 2002 can be updated from Symantec such that it has the most current
virus signatures and scan-engine - equal to any symantec product being
sold today.


Really. So you haven't a clue how many Norton AV systems have been
infected recently... how comforting Win9X and ME users to know YOU
haven't a clue...

Take your mental issues back to that mental illness group where you
came from, I did ask politely.

Will someone get this aioe.org server input killed please.


--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

On 03/04/2010 08:09 PM, thanatoid wrote:
MEB wrote in
:

On 03/04/2010 09:41 AM, 98 Guy wrote:

Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you
came from
originally, which must have been one of the alt. psychosis
groups...

The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the
exploits and
methods being used today and has to rely upon someone USING
Win9X stumbling upon something being used within the Win9X
environment and supplying that BACK to Norton or with whom
Norton participates ... when the completely current and
PRESENT AV can't really protect the SUPPORTED OSs as
evidenced by the millions of infected computers and massive
amounts of botnets and their activities bypassing those
supposed protections.
The world realizes you have a mental difficulties... you
display that
constantly.
However, individuals unfamiliar with you may not; please
stop posting
these types of materials in forums where people may not
understand you have mental and psychological difficulties.

I have had 98guy plonked ever since he displayed his utter
assholiness with his reaction to my "stop posting about Terhune"
plea so I had to click on the reference to read what he actually
wrote - I can only assume that you were sufficiently upset by
what either he or I posted that you "formatted" your reply a
little confusingly, as seen above...

In any case, for now I will assume you are addressing 98guy's
insane post about the VERY (like early 90's) formerly great and
currently UTTER garbage Norton=Symantec product(s).

Please correct me if this assumption is wrong.

Any other comments are also welcome. Frankly, I was expecting at
least ten follow ups. Maybe all the other authors are in my KF?!

(...)

Well, fancy that. Disabled my KF and NO OTHER REPLIES! Oh
well...



Some filters are apparently being applied again at the server level, I
see many supposed postings [like this time- started at 12 when first
contact made, and ended up at 6 available] almost immediately removed,
and have noted several of my own posts don't make it for some reason,
even though they don't contain anything offensive, attacks or counters,
bad links, bad words, or whatever. Did note you got a couple cuss words
through somehow..

Note: 98 has now changed his nym again to get around the kill files,
and to again post his links to his pirated software. Anyway, yeah,
that's what it was for, a 2002 version severely outdated in its
abilities 98 Guy is attempting to get everyone to install.
Uniquely, he claims to NOT run AV and that it isn't need at all anyway
if you run WIn9X or ME, as if we are still attempting to deal with the
same issues as in the Win9X heyday.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
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