Trojan thing

" There is no such thing as a totally secure browser, Jane.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security


Hello Robert,
Yes I agree, It would just be another line of defence along
with all other anti-spy stuff, but it all helps.

regards Jane

Considering that most vulnerabilities in IE are ActiveX issues, and that
you can totally turn off ActiveX in IE Settings...

Adding another layer, unless it's for additional functionality, seems
strange to me.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"jane" wrote in message
...

" There is no such thing as a totally secure browser, Jane.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security


Hello Robert,
Yes I agree, It would just be another line of defence along
with all other anti-spy stuff, but it all helps.

regards Jane

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:37:01 -0000, "Henry"
wrote:

By the way, it was McAfee which described StartPage-DU.dll as a Trojan, not
me. I would not know a Trojan if I saw one. I have not a clue what the
difference is between these various things - they all just viruses to me. I
just want to get rid of the perishing thing but don't know how.

How did you figure out that it was StartPage-DU.dll?

Gary, did you know that Mozilla Firefox has 256 bit encryption. Also, I do
like the tabbed browsing and the ability to examine things more in-depth than
IE allows.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: Considering that most vulnerabilities in IE are ActiveX issues, and that
: you can totally turn off ActiveX in IE Settings...
:
: Adding another layer, unless it's for additional functionality, seems
: strange to me.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
:
: "jane" wrote in message
: ...
:
: " There is no such thing as a totally secure browser, Jane.
: --
: ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security
:
:
: Hello Robert,
: Yes I agree, It would just be another line of defence along
: with all other anti-spy stuff, but it all helps.
:
: regards Jane
:
:
:

As I said, for certain functionalities, other browsers than IE might be
preferable. Personally, I don't see that encryption stronger than
128-bit is all that important to me. As for tabbed browsing, I do just
fine with multiple instances of IE. Just how are "tabs" all that
different from taskbar buttons?

From my point of view, the worst part of Microsoft's having one the
browser wars in years past is that they "rested on their laurels".
There's lots of other things I'd rather see (or rather, a lot more
things I'd rather not see) in IE, but stronger encryption and tabbed
browsing aren't on my list.

My primary point in the previous, however, is that lots of people whine
about IE's ActiveX being this huge security risk, when in fact it's easy
to turn the damned thing off if you're inclined toward that much
paranoia.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Gary, did you know that Mozilla Firefox has 256 bit encryption. Also,
I do
like the tabbed browsing and the ability to examine things more
in-depth than
IE allows.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: Considering that most vulnerabilities in IE are ActiveX issues, and
that
: you can totally turn off ActiveX in IE Settings...
:
: Adding another layer, unless it's for additional functionality,
seems
: strange to me.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
:
: "jane" wrote in message
: ...
:
: " There is no such thing as a totally secure browser, Jane.
: --
: ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security
:
:
: Hello Robert,
: Yes I agree, It would just be another line of defence along
: with all other anti-spy stuff, but it all helps.
:
: regards Jane
:
:
:

My God! You are all scaring the hell out of me.

I asked for some understandable advice, but I am afraid that all I am
getting is a deluge of, what to me, is complete gibberish.

I am just a simple user aged 61, I know virtually nothing of all these
highly technical things that you are all on about. I have followed blindly
what advice I have been able to understand, and it just seems to be going
from bad to worse. I have downloaded lots of things to try and track it
down, but I don't really know what I am doing - for all I know these things
I have been advised to use (not just here) might be adding to the problem.
The thing seems to have attacked my McAfee now and I can't even get into
that properly.

I am scared stiff to send any E-Mails from home in case I pass all this on
to anyone else. It is just a very very frightening mess.

I just want to be able to use my computer to look things up about nature
study, astronomy, my language studies, my diabetes and interesting things
like that, as well as doing my grocery orders, write letters and print my
holiday photos.

If this is what it takes to explain how to rid my machine of these pests, I
might as well just give up now and throw it in the garbage can.

I normally spend about 2 hours a week at my computer. My wife is getting
fed up with me spending hours a day trying to sort this out and keeps on
saying "why don't you just throw it away and get a new one" - and I have a
full time job to do (that's where I am now).

Would my local PC World where I bought the PC in 2000 (I am in England by
the way) be likely to have the capability to sort this out?

Most of this thread is collateral babble about entirely unrelated
affairs, Henry. Ignore it. The one person who has given you very
specific instructions, besides Mikhail, who gave more general advice
that obviously didn't resolve the problem, is Hugh Candlin. Have you
done the things he suggested? Yes, the Registry is a mighty complicated
affair, which is why Hugh gave such specific instructions. Yes, you are
going to find a lot of advice about these things in lots of places, and
only some of it is going to be right or even have a clue as to what is
right.

Two things I'd like to add--

1.I consider McAfee a bad program to have. Both McAfee and Norton
antivirus are major players, and both of them used to be quite good--but
they have long since been made obsolete by newer players on the field,
antivirus applications that do not muck about so deeply in the system,
frequently causing more problems than they solve. Norton and McAfee and
a few others have been relying on market position and aggressive
marketing through packaging with new systems in order to stay in
business. They're as bad as AOHell. As a replacement, may I suggest
eTrust EZ Armor, an antivirus and firewall combined. You can get a free
year's trial that has some limitations, or a very good deal on the first
year, he
http://www.my-etrust.com/microsoft There are other free antivirus apps
(AVAST and AVG are two that get recommended often) but I think you might
find them a bit more hands-on than you might like.

2. Windows 98, 98SE and ME are very near the end of their useful lives,
even in the hands of knowledgeable people. You would, indeed, be wise to
consider getting a new machine with up-to-date hardware and Windows XP
Home Edition. Don't go for the most cutting edge technology, and try to
get several opinions from knowledgeable persons before making the
purchase. Alas, whether you use it 2 hours per week or 24/7 like I do, 5
years is about as long as an any user can expect to get from a computer
system.

Lastly, don't worry about your emails. If there was anything bad going
out via your emails, you wouldn't know about it. Those types of viruses
use your email apps in stealth mode, they don't attach themselves to
your real emails. (And, in any case, that isn't the kind of problem
you're having.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Henry" wrote in message
...
My God! You are all scaring the hell out of me.

I asked for some understandable advice, but I am afraid that all I
am
getting is a deluge of, what to me, is complete gibberish.

I am just a simple user aged 61, I know virtually nothing of all these
highly technical things that you are all on about. I have followed
blindly
what advice I have been able to understand, and it just seems to be
going
from bad to worse. I have downloaded lots of things to try and track
it
down, but I don't really know what I am doing - for all I know these
things
I have been advised to use (not just here) might be adding to the
problem.
The thing seems to have attacked my McAfee now and I can't even get
into
that properly.

I am scared stiff to send any E-Mails from home in case I pass all
this on
to anyone else. It is just a very very frightening mess.

I just want to be able to use my computer to look things up about
nature
study, astronomy, my language studies, my diabetes and interesting
things
like that, as well as doing my grocery orders, write letters and print
my
holiday photos.

If this is what it takes to explain how to rid my machine of these
pests, I
might as well just give up now and throw it in the garbage can.

I normally spend about 2 hours a week at my computer. My wife is
getting
fed up with me spending hours a day trying to sort this out and keeps
on
saying "why don't you just throw it away and get a new one" - and I
have a
full time job to do (that's where I am now).

Would my local PC World where I bought the PC in 2000 (I am in England
by
the way) be likely to have the capability to sort this out?

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Most of this thread is collateral babble about entirely unrelated
affairs, Henry. Ignore it. The one person who has given you very
specific instructions, besides Mikhail, who gave more general advice
that obviously didn't resolve the problem, is Hugh Candlin. Have you
done the things he suggested? Yes, the Registry is a mighty complicated
affair, which is why Hugh gave such specific instructions. Yes, you are
going to find a lot of advice about these things in lots of places, and
only some of it is going to be right or even have a clue as to what is
right.


Thank you Gary, that goes some way to reassure me (particularly about my
E-Mails).

Last night I tried some of the things previously mentioned and got
absolutely nowhere.

I have not yet had the chance to try what Hugh said, as I came in to work
this morning and found all the "babble", as you called it, with Hugh's
suggestions buried in the middle of it all.

I will give that a try when I can spend some time at it, though I am not
sure if, even with those very specific words, I can fathom it out.

I had a look at the forum pages suggested by PA Bear and they looked very
very scary.

I have noted all you said about McAfee, Norton etc. and about the future of
Win98. Until all this started, I was very hesitant to change to a new
machine using XP because of all the scary stories in the press abouts its
supposed lousy security, and thought that I might be safer staying with 98,
now I just don't know what I should do.

This thing on my machine seems to be getting worse and worse. Last night I
saw what seemed to be a new version which put a file se.dll in my TEMP
folder, and this file refused to delete.

Interestingly, someone at work suggested Grisoft AVG7 and I did download it
last night, but it took so long that I have not had a chance to try it
properly to see if it will sort this out. It is only a 30 day version
though.

I feel very very lonely and vulnerable out here. 25 years ago, I understood
computers (at least thought I did) but that was in the days of 8080 and Z80
processors, BASIC held in ROM, RAM, cassette tape storage and wires
connecting the computer to the tv - how things have changed.

Henry:

Here is a simple set of instructions to remove the Trojan "StartPage-DU.dll".

1) Download the following two items...

Trend Sysclean Package
http://www.trendmicro.com/download/dcs.asp

Latest Trend signature files.
http://www.trendmicro.com/download/pattern.asp

Create a directory.
On drive "C:\"
(e.g., "c:\New Folder")
or the desktop
(e.g., "C:\Documents and Settings\lipman\Desktop\New Folder")

Download SYSCLEAN.COM and place it in that directory.
Download the signature files (pattern files) by obtaining the ZIP file.
For example; lpt404.zip

Extract the contents of the ZIP file and place the contents in the same directory as
SYSCLEAN.COM.

2) Reboot your PC into Safe Mode and shutdown as many applications as possible
3) Using the Trend Sysclean utility, perform a Full Scan of your platform and
clean/delete any infectors found
4) Restart your PC and perform a "final" Full Scan of your platform



* * * Please report back your results * * *

--
Dave






"HenryD" wrote in message ...
| Thank you Gary, that goes some way to reassure me (particularly about my
| E-Mails).
|
| Last night I tried some of the things previously mentioned and got
| absolutely nowhere.
|
| I have not yet had the chance to try what Hugh said, as I came in to work
| this morning and found all the "babble", as you called it, with Hugh's
| suggestions buried in the middle of it all.
|
| I will give that a try when I can spend some time at it, though I am not
| sure if, even with those very specific words, I can fathom it out.
|
| I had a look at the forum pages suggested by PA Bear and they looked very
| very scary.
|
| I have noted all you said about McAfee, Norton etc. and about the future of
| Win98. Until all this started, I was very hesitant to change to a new
| machine using XP because of all the scary stories in the press abouts its
| supposed lousy security, and thought that I might be safer staying with 98,
| now I just don't know what I should do.
|
| This thing on my machine seems to be getting worse and worse. Last night I
| saw what seemed to be a new version which put a file se.dll in my TEMP
| folder, and this file refused to delete.
|
| Interestingly, someone at work suggested Grisoft AVG7 and I did download it
| last night, but it took so long that I have not had a chance to try it
| properly to see if it will sort this out. It is only a 30 day version
| though.
|
| I feel very very lonely and vulnerable out here. 25 years ago, I understood
| computers (at least thought I did) but that was in the days of 8080 and Z80
| processors, BASIC held in ROM, RAM, cassette tape storage and wires
| connecting the computer to the tv - how things have changed.
|
|

I disagree.
I gave Henry SPECIFIC instructions, using TrendMicro Sysclean, to remove the
"StartPage-DU.dll" Trojan.

--
Dave




"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
| Most of this thread is collateral babble about entirely unrelated
| affairs, Henry. Ignore it. The one person who has given you very
| specific instructions, besides Mikhail, who gave more general advice
| that obviously didn't resolve the problem, is Hugh Candlin. Have you
| done the things he suggested? Yes, the Registry is a mighty complicated
| affair, which is why Hugh gave such specific instructions. Yes, you are
| going to find a lot of advice about these things in lots of places, and
| only some of it is going to be right or even have a clue as to what is
| right.
|
| Two things I'd like to add--
|
| 1.I consider McAfee a bad program to have. Both McAfee and Norton
| antivirus are major players, and both of them used to be quite good--but
| they have long since been made obsolete by newer players on the field,
| antivirus applications that do not muck about so deeply in the system,
| frequently causing more problems than they solve. Norton and McAfee and
| a few others have been relying on market position and aggressive
| marketing through packaging with new systems in order to stay in
| business. They're as bad as AOHell. As a replacement, may I suggest
| eTrust EZ Armor, an antivirus and firewall combined. You can get a free
| year's trial that has some limitations, or a very good deal on the first
| year, he
| http://www.my-etrust.com/microsoft There are other free antivirus apps
| (AVAST and AVG are two that get recommended often) but I think you might
| find them a bit more hands-on than you might like.
|
| 2. Windows 98, 98SE and ME are very near the end of their useful lives,
| even in the hands of knowledgeable people. You would, indeed, be wise to
| consider getting a new machine with up-to-date hardware and Windows XP
| Home Edition. Don't go for the most cutting edge technology, and try to
| get several opinions from knowledgeable persons before making the
| purchase. Alas, whether you use it 2 hours per week or 24/7 like I do, 5
| years is about as long as an any user can expect to get from a computer
| system.
|
| Lastly, don't worry about your emails. If there was anything bad going
| out via your emails, you wouldn't know about it. Those types of viruses
| use your email apps in stealth mode, they don't attach themselves to
| your real emails. (And, in any case, that isn't the kind of problem
| you're having.)
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP Shell/User
|
| "Henry" wrote in message
| ...
| My God! You are all scaring the hell out of me.
|
| I asked for some understandable advice, but I am afraid that all I
| am
| getting is a deluge of, what to me, is complete gibberish.
|
| I am just a simple user aged 61, I know virtually nothing of all these
| highly technical things that you are all on about. I have followed
| blindly
| what advice I have been able to understand, and it just seems to be
| going
| from bad to worse. I have downloaded lots of things to try and track
| it
| down, but I don't really know what I am doing - for all I know these
| things
| I have been advised to use (not just here) might be adding to the
| problem.
| The thing seems to have attacked my McAfee now and I can't even get
| into
| that properly.
|
| I am scared stiff to send any E-Mails from home in case I pass all
| this on
| to anyone else. It is just a very very frightening mess.
|
| I just want to be able to use my computer to look things up about
| nature
| study, astronomy, my language studies, my diabetes and interesting
| things
| like that, as well as doing my grocery orders, write letters and print
| my
| holiday photos.
|
| If this is what it takes to explain how to rid my machine of these
| pests, I
| might as well just give up now and throw it in the garbage can.
|
| I normally spend about 2 hours a week at my computer. My wife is
| getting
| fed up with me spending hours a day trying to sort this out and keeps
| on
| saying "why don't you just throw it away and get a new one" - and I
| have a
| full time job to do (that's where I am now).
|
| Would my local PC World where I bought the PC in 2000 (I am in England
| by
| the way) be likely to have the capability to sort this out?
|
|
|
|