OT? HD not found.

Have worked on this problem before but decided to just live with it. Just an
extra click during start up.
Primary hard drive not found during start up hit F1 to continue hard
drive found and start up continues and completes. Why isn't it found the
first time? Just curious.

I would assume your hard drive is not spinning up fast enough to be ready before
detection begins. Suggest you disable "Quick Boot" option in BIOS--force it to
run the full RAM test so that hard drive has time to spin up. Also suggest you
get a replacement HDD--that one is probably headed for meltdown.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"keith" wrote in message
...
Have worked on this problem before but decided to just live with it. Just an
extra click during start up.
Primary hard drive not found during start up hit F1 to continue hard
drive found and start up continues and completes. Why isn't it found the
first time? Just curious.

I really don't know.

(1) Are/is your hard drive(s) jumpered correctly?
(a) They don't all have the same scheme for the jumpers. My Western
Digital even has two Master settings: Master alone & Master with Slave.
(b) It could be the Master must be farthest from the motherboard, &
the
Slave between it & the motherboard. (I think that's how mine is.)

(2) Enter BIOS Setup & report the settings you see, especially regarding
the hard drive(s).

You must press a key at boot to enter BIOS Setup. If you don't know the
key to press, try "Esc" at the manufacturer's logo. Then, the key to
press to enter BIOS setup will show up. Quickly press it. For this
Compaq, it is F10.

In BIOS, use TAB & the arrow keys to navigate, & ENTER to select. (Well,
there may be a legend showing your keys are different.)

(a) Traverse the menus & provide a report to us especially regarding the
hard drives(s).
(b) It should be OK to have BIOS auto-detect them, if there is such a
setting.

While in there, you'd better go through all the menus & jot down the
settings. If they are not set to defaults, and somehow, someday, they
are cleared, all these settings will have to be input again.


.......Start.....something from Candlin about it........
Usually DEL, but F1, F2, F10 are also common.

Other keystrokes which might work a

AMI BIOS: Del key during the POST
DTK BIOS: Esc key during the POST
Award BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc
Misc BIOS: Ctrl-Esc
Phoenix BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc or Ctrl-Alt-S
IBM PS/2 BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Ins after Ctrl-Alt-Del

If all else fails, shut down, power off, unplug the keyboard,
and power up again, as some older systems will default
to the CMOS Setup if a keyboard is not found.
.......End........................................ .......................


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"keith" wrote in message
...
| Have worked on this problem before but decided to just live with it.
Just an
| extra click during start up.
| Primary hard drive not found during start up hit F1 to continue
hard
| drive found and start up continues and completes. Why isn't it found
the
| first time? Just curious.
|
|

Thanks, guys. Sorry for the delay. Have tried numerous jumper
combinations in the past and just tried the no keyboard variant also. Same
result. Tried different boot sequences in SetUp, also. (Bios revision A03).
The 'problem' started after the local techie installed the new post-crash HD
and he suggested a motherboard glitch of some sort. As i said, it's just one
extra click during boot and don't mind much. Have been thinking of paying
another visit to Play it Again PC (.piapc.) just down the road a ways. Great
little shop full of used, tested, certified equipment. Not sure I want XP
though. Thanks, again. Keith

"PCR" wrote in message
...
I really don't know.

(1) Are/is your hard drive(s) jumpered correctly?
(a) They don't all have the same scheme for the jumpers. My Western
Digital even has two Master settings: Master alone & Master with Slave.
(b) It could be the Master must be farthest from the motherboard, &
the
Slave between it & the motherboard. (I think that's how mine is.)

(2) Enter BIOS Setup & report the settings you see, especially regarding
the hard drive(s).

You must press a key at boot to enter BIOS Setup. If you don't know the
key to press, try "Esc" at the manufacturer's logo. Then, the key to
press to enter BIOS setup will show up. Quickly press it. For this
Compaq, it is F10.

In BIOS, use TAB & the arrow keys to navigate, & ENTER to select. (Well,
there may be a legend showing your keys are different.)

(a) Traverse the menus & provide a report to us especially regarding the
hard drives(s).
(b) It should be OK to have BIOS auto-detect them, if there is such a
setting.

While in there, you'd better go through all the menus & jot down the
settings. If they are not set to defaults, and somehow, someday, they
are cleared, all these settings will have to be input again.


......Start.....something from Candlin about it........
Usually DEL, but F1, F2, F10 are also common.

Other keystrokes which might work a

AMI BIOS: Del key during the POST
DTK BIOS: Esc key during the POST
Award BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc
Misc BIOS: Ctrl-Esc
Phoenix BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc or Ctrl-Alt-S
IBM PS/2 BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Ins after Ctrl-Alt-Del

If all else fails, shut down, power off, unplug the keyboard,
and power up again, as some older systems will default
to the CMOS Setup if a keyboard is not found.
......End......................................... ......................


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"keith" wrote in message
...
| Have worked on this problem before but decided to just live with it.
Just an
| extra click during start up.
| Primary hard drive not found during start up hit F1 to continue
hard
| drive found and start up continues and completes. Why isn't it found
the
| first time? Just curious.
|
|

Imo, 98SE is the best operating system for old games and I think it is just
fun since I have used it for so long. XP allows you to do more but I have
not learned too much about it yet so I tend to stick on the 98SE side more.
s

"keith" wrote in message
...
Thanks, guys. Sorry for the delay. Have tried numerous jumper
combinations in the past and just tried the no keyboard variant also. Same
result. Tried different boot sequences in SetUp, also. (Bios revision
A03).
The 'problem' started after the local techie installed the new post-crash
HD
and he suggested a motherboard glitch of some sort. As i said, it's just
one
extra click during boot and don't mind much. Have been thinking of paying
another visit to Play it Again PC (.piapc.) just down the road a ways.
Great
little shop full of used, tested, certified equipment. Not sure I want XP
though. Thanks, again. Keith

"PCR" wrote in message
...
I really don't know.

(1) Are/is your hard drive(s) jumpered correctly?
(a) They don't all have the same scheme for the jumpers. My Western
Digital even has two Master settings: Master alone & Master with Slave.
(b) It could be the Master must be farthest from the motherboard, &
the
Slave between it & the motherboard. (I think that's how mine is.)

(2) Enter BIOS Setup & report the settings you see, especially regarding
the hard drive(s).

You must press a key at boot to enter BIOS Setup. If you don't know the
key to press, try "Esc" at the manufacturer's logo. Then, the key to
press to enter BIOS setup will show up. Quickly press it. For this
Compaq, it is F10.

In BIOS, use TAB & the arrow keys to navigate, & ENTER to select. (Well,
there may be a legend showing your keys are different.)

(a) Traverse the menus & provide a report to us especially regarding the
hard drives(s).
(b) It should be OK to have BIOS auto-detect them, if there is such a
setting.

While in there, you'd better go through all the menus & jot down the
settings. If they are not set to defaults, and somehow, someday, they
are cleared, all these settings will have to be input again.


......Start.....something from Candlin about it........
Usually DEL, but F1, F2, F10 are also common.

Other keystrokes which might work a

AMI BIOS: Del key during the POST
DTK BIOS: Esc key during the POST
Award BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc
Misc BIOS: Ctrl-Esc
Phoenix BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc or Ctrl-Alt-S
IBM PS/2 BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Ins after Ctrl-Alt-Del

If all else fails, shut down, power off, unplug the keyboard,
and power up again, as some older systems will default
to the CMOS Setup if a keyboard is not found.
......End......................................... ......................


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"keith" wrote in message
...
| Have worked on this problem before but decided to just live with it.
Just an
| extra click during start up.
| Primary hard drive not found during start up hit F1 to continue
hard
| drive found and start up continues and completes. Why isn't it found
the
| first time? Just curious.
|
|

Will probably do the same. They'll sell the machines with no OS for less.
Not sure if they'll load 98. Maybe I can transfer this 98 OS to a newer
machine. Will look for posts of that sort.
"Dan" wrote in message
...
Imo, 98SE is the best operating system for old games and I think it is
just
fun since I have used it for so long. XP allows you to do more but I have
not learned too much about it yet so I tend to stick on the 98SE side
more.
s

"keith" wrote in message
...
Thanks, guys. Sorry for the delay. Have tried numerous jumper
combinations in the past and just tried the no keyboard variant also.
Same
result. Tried different boot sequences in SetUp, also. (Bios revision
A03).
The 'problem' started after the local techie installed the new
post-crash
HD
and he suggested a motherboard glitch of some sort. As i said, it's just
one
extra click during boot and don't mind much. Have been thinking of
paying
another visit to Play it Again PC (.piapc.) just down the road a ways.
Great
little shop full of used, tested, certified equipment. Not sure I want
XP
though. Thanks, again. Keith

"PCR" wrote in message
...
I really don't know.

(1) Are/is your hard drive(s) jumpered correctly?
(a) They don't all have the same scheme for the jumpers. My Western
Digital even has two Master settings: Master alone & Master with
Slave.
(b) It could be the Master must be farthest from the motherboard, &
the
Slave between it & the motherboard. (I think that's how mine is.)

(2) Enter BIOS Setup & report the settings you see, especially
regarding
the hard drive(s).

You must press a key at boot to enter BIOS Setup. If you don't know
the
key to press, try "Esc" at the manufacturer's logo. Then, the key to
press to enter BIOS setup will show up. Quickly press it. For this
Compaq, it is F10.

In BIOS, use TAB & the arrow keys to navigate, & ENTER to select.
(Well,
there may be a legend showing your keys are different.)

(a) Traverse the menus & provide a report to us especially regarding
the
hard drives(s).
(b) It should be OK to have BIOS auto-detect them, if there is such a
setting.

While in there, you'd better go through all the menus & jot down the
settings. If they are not set to defaults, and somehow, someday, they
are cleared, all these settings will have to be input again.


......Start.....something from Candlin about it........
Usually DEL, but F1, F2, F10 are also common.

Other keystrokes which might work a

AMI BIOS: Del key during the POST
DTK BIOS: Esc key during the POST
Award BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc
Misc BIOS: Ctrl-Esc
Phoenix BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc or Ctrl-Alt-S
IBM PS/2 BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Ins after Ctrl-Alt-Del

If all else fails, shut down, power off, unplug the keyboard,
and power up again, as some older systems will default
to the CMOS Setup if a keyboard is not found.

.......End........................................ .......................


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"keith" wrote in message
...
| Have worked on this problem before but decided to just live with it.
Just an
| extra click during start up.
| Primary hard drive not found during start up hit F1 to continue
hard
| drive found and start up continues and completes. Why isn't it found
the
| first time? Just curious.
|
|

The "no keyboard variant" is Candlin's suggestion on how to get to
BIOS/CMOS Setup when the keystroke in unknown/not working. Perhaps I
didn't explain it well & will adjust that master post.

Well... so...

(1) You have just one hard drive, but a new one?
(2) Is there just one partition on it?
(3) Is the right partition marked "Active"?

Well, BE CAREFUL, but...

It appears one may actually run FDISK at a Windows DOS (in a box)
Prompt. I wouldn't suggest doing so to anyone with shaky fingers,
though. DON'T wipe your drive(s)!

(a) START button, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt
(b) FDISK
(c) Press ENTER to accept Large Disk Support.
(d) Select option (4), & hit ENTER.
(e) Use the "MARK" button, outline text with mouse, "COPY" button to
post what you see to us.
(f) ESC your way OUT. DON'T try to do any partitioning! I'm not even
sure I would alter the Active setting here. BETTER just post what you
see!

Here is what mine showed.
NOTES: "PRI" is Primary, "EXT" is Extended...
"A" under "Status" means "Active".

Display Partition Information
Current fixed disk drive: 1

Partition Status Type Volume Label Mbytes System Usage
C: 1 A PRI DOS P C R HARD 7996 FAT32 42%
2 EXT DOS 11096
58%

Total disk space is 19092 Mbytes (1 Mbyte = 1048576 bytes)

The Extended DOS Partition contains Logical DOS Drives.
Do you want to display the logical drive information (Y/N)......?[Y]

Press Esc to return to FDISK Options


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"keith" wrote in message
...
| Thanks, guys. Sorry for the delay. Have tried numerous jumper
| combinations in the past and just tried the no keyboard variant also.
Same
| result. Tried different boot sequences in SetUp, also. (Bios revision
A03).
| The 'problem' started after the local techie installed the new
post-crash HD
| and he suggested a motherboard glitch of some sort. As i said, it's
just one
| extra click during boot and don't mind much. Have been thinking of
paying
| another visit to Play it Again PC (.piapc.) just down the road a ways.
Great
| little shop full of used, tested, certified equipment. Not sure I want
XP
| though. Thanks, again. Keith
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| I really don't know.
|
| (1) Are/is your hard drive(s) jumpered correctly?
| (a) They don't all have the same scheme for the jumpers. My
Western
| Digital even has two Master settings: Master alone & Master with
Slave.
| (b) It could be the Master must be farthest from the motherboard,
&
| the
| Slave between it & the motherboard. (I think that's how mine is.)
|
| (2) Enter BIOS Setup & report the settings you see, especially
regarding
| the hard drive(s).
|
| You must press a key at boot to enter BIOS Setup. If you don't know
the
| key to press, try "Esc" at the manufacturer's logo. Then, the key to
| press to enter BIOS setup will show up. Quickly press it. For this
| Compaq, it is F10.
|
| In BIOS, use TAB & the arrow keys to navigate, & ENTER to select.
(Well,
| there may be a legend showing your keys are different.)
|
| (a) Traverse the menus & provide a report to us especially regarding
the
| hard drives(s).
| (b) It should be OK to have BIOS auto-detect them, if there is such
a
| setting.
|
| While in there, you'd better go through all the menus & jot down the
| settings. If they are not set to defaults, and somehow, someday,
they
| are cleared, all these settings will have to be input again.
|
|
| ......Start.....something from Candlin about it........
| Usually DEL, but F1, F2, F10 are also common.
|
| Other keystrokes which might work a
|
| AMI BIOS: Del key during the POST
| DTK BIOS: Esc key during the POST
| Award BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc
| Misc BIOS: Ctrl-Esc
| Phoenix BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc or Ctrl-Alt-S
| IBM PS/2 BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Ins after Ctrl-Alt-Del
|
| If all else fails, shut down, power off, unplug the keyboard,
| and power up again, as some older systems will default
| to the CMOS Setup if a keyboard is not found.
|
.......End........................................ .......................
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "keith" wrote in message
| ...
| | Have worked on this problem before but decided to just live with
it.
| Just an
| | extra click during start up.
| | Primary hard drive not found during start up hit F1 to continue

| hard
| | drive found and start up continues and completes. Why isn't it
found
| the
| | first time? Just curious.
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

You mention: quote The 'problem' started after the local techie =
installed the new post-crash HD and he suggested a motherboard glitch of =
some sort./quote

What size HD was installed? If it is larger than the BIOS supports, =
there may be a BIOS update you can get from the either the computer or =
mobo manufacturer.
Once in Windows Right click MyComputer, click Properties Performance =
tab. Does it show any drives running in DOS compatibility mode?
Is the HD the only device connected to the IDE ribbon cable? If not, =
what is the other device and how are they setup as master/slave?
Had the "tech" tried another ribbon cable to eliminate it as a cause?
Have you tried removing the any/all controllers and drives in Safe Mode =
Device Manager for any HD's, then rebooting where windows will =
redetect/reinstall the devices?
Check the CMOS battery to make sure it's properly seated, you may even =
want to go as far as replacing it. It may be on it's way out.

--=20

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"keith" wrote in message =
...
Thanks, guys. Sorry for the delay. Have tried numerous jumper
combinations in the past and just tried the no keyboard variant also. =
Same
result. Tried different boot sequences in SetUp, also. (Bios revision =
A03).
The 'problem' started after the local techie installed the new =
post-crash HD
and he suggested a motherboard glitch of some sort. As i said, it's =
just one
extra click during boot and don't mind much. Have been thinking of =
paying
another visit to Play it Again PC (.piapc.) just down the road a ways. =
Great
little shop full of used, tested, certified equipment. Not sure I want =
XP
though. Thanks, again. Keith
=20
"PCR" wrote in message
...
I really don't know.

(1) Are/is your hard drive(s) jumpered correctly?
(a) They don't all have the same scheme for the jumpers. My Western
Digital even has two Master settings: Master alone & Master with =
Slave.
(b) It could be the Master must be farthest from the motherboard, &
the
Slave between it & the motherboard. (I think that's how mine is.)

(2) Enter BIOS Setup & report the settings you see, especially =
regarding
the hard drive(s).

You must press a key at boot to enter BIOS Setup. If you don't know =
the
key to press, try "Esc" at the manufacturer's logo. Then, the key to
press to enter BIOS setup will show up. Quickly press it. For this
Compaq, it is F10.

In BIOS, use TAB & the arrow keys to navigate, & ENTER to select. =
(Well,
there may be a legend showing your keys are different.)

(a) Traverse the menus & provide a report to us especially regarding =
the
hard drives(s).
(b) It should be OK to have BIOS auto-detect them, if there is such a
setting.

While in there, you'd better go through all the menus & jot down the
settings. If they are not set to defaults, and somehow, someday, they
are cleared, all these settings will have to be input again.


......Start.....something from Candlin about it........
Usually DEL, but F1, F2, F10 are also common.

Other keystrokes which might work a

AMI BIOS: Del key during the POST
DTK BIOS: Esc key during the POST
Award BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc
Misc BIOS: Ctrl-Esc
Phoenix BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Esc or Ctrl-Alt-S
IBM PS/2 BIOS: Ctrl-Alt-Ins after Ctrl-Alt-Del

If all else fails, shut down, power off, unplug the keyboard,
and power up again, as some older systems will default
to the CMOS Setup if a keyboard is not found.
=
.......End........................................ .......................


--=20
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"keith" wrote in message
...
| Have worked on this problem before but decided to just live with =
it.
Just an
| extra click during start up.
| Primary hard drive not found during start up hit F1 to continue
hard
| drive found and start up continues and completes. Why isn't it =
found
the
| first time? Just curious.
|
|


=20